we speak for all and they construct your errors you know yourself like i do at times europe do. i hope i'm not a harbinger of doom i haven't thought of that if i think it's a pretty certain the incident is that it is absolutely and as a result of my own life has also been somewhat like everyone else's of course and by saying that if you laugh was at the end. mad. your last book easily your talents would be exactly where all the wires and all that you they fully recovered from that but how was it was it not only being there but actually experiencing it. why don't you recommend experiencing the disease itself that isn't my favorite memory of this period i will say it's been very interesting and instructive to be here to understand different countries experience and disease in different ways and to note the extraordinary measure of compliance

that's been a shrinking feature of the autonomy and experience in fact the own newspaper wrote a very amusing article in which it said this was the 1st time in 3000 years of the history of the city of rome or italians ever going to bt and. i think it does show something about the compliance here and the way that the message was very coherent and very clear and i think i am not sure whether the same can be said about the united states it's also has at the time it's. but perhaps even the lawyer might tell it to your particular age i know it's a stupid question that still if you had it sure as. all that they said would you prefer italy or the united. actually i. have to tell you i think i would prefer to be right where i am. i believe the american response to coast at 19

has been incoherent to put it mildly now we'll talk more about that but let me. a little bit hazy history because for most people there is something isn't scary about the damage because there is so large and very difficult but the point you make in your book is the very predictable that actually still be logical he says that he has prepared for that i say that we have sincerely bra. i'm not putting it all white it's like god is to have brought it on ourselves but we have created the preconditions for it and then we did not actually respond to the warnings that were given repeatedly for order of a century in order to deal with it so in that sense it was a chronicle of a pandemic foretold and we did not respond in any coherent and constructive way to

all of those warnings from avian flu sars mers and now we have code of 19 i know there have been many warnings and you know others can get it done and they sit down with them but since we didn't know anything about the origin how with may have been better prepared. right i think 1st thing is what a doctor tadros. is in order to be just really prepared in a global world in which what happens in jakarta in the morning will happen in rome in moscow and new york city by the evening in the sense we really need a strong commitment to an international organisation. and move resources to a strong world health organisation was an important feature we also need for

everyone on the planet to be have access to health care you know that they will however it is a 2nd leg by the hazards that you mentioned. and so that in the best possible way to either because some of the advice given has been very very various it was very critical. time was a very very isn't really we as people need to ask that this will appear. i think that we as a global community weren't prepared i'm not here to give a brief to defend everything the world health organization jitters made many mistakes i agree entirely we mustn't throw out the idea of well funded a well organized properly led and supported our organisation is something that's so important our of our survival kit as a species and so i make

a distinction everywhere goes ation makes mistakes the w.h.o. made some very big mistakes but we cannot really expect to confront. without a strong international organisation that you have very thin about. done it's. just that the disease is. over that own personality when i think about it 19 it strikes me as a barely mediocre virus we won't have made such a name for it if it weren't for globalisation am i wrong i think you're runt. would not have actually arisen without what we've done to encourage spillover between species and human beings to our repay schuester struction of the environment and particularly deforestation which for

a into more and more contact with human beings so there's. and it required our large global population it require massive air transportation of people all around the globe enormous speed and it required dense population in cities that are very crowded together or disease spread through the air can be readily transmitted now given how it impacts them to have a well rounded the response. is are they. we understand that the brawl that died late is this your are perhaps very large but i have to say that every year who really understand the bible study of history for example that the or it's all slavery that grandison or slavery of faith rebirth at least in florida the logic or our thinking a lot about that as the old wise the iraq's in the race of the desert the united

states. believes that slavery be causing. any plague yes let me just take one of the very specific example of his fun and the arrival of christopher columbus when the aspiration of the spaniards was to sujata the native population of our walk says they were called to be slavery to mines and plantations unfortunately for the our white house columbus and his crew brought diseases that europeans experienced as childhood diseases and had a great immunity or earned immunity to them as the our woks this was virgin soil and they had never met or encountered these diseases and so the small pox measles were the 2 decimated the population from over a 1000000 in about

a decade to just a few sounds so it proved impossible to insulate the native population because it died away and therefore i think of began in 1512 the idea was to bring people who had a similar immune munity to some of these diseases and so they turned to the africans and so began the on from can slip. trades and so we can say didn't turn to the office for con and the development of african slavery was in large far condition by differential immunity it's actually mind boggling disturbing about it that 5 years ago they would have what is essentially is it became a logically juvenile policy even while our introduction to my have is that all the while had there there were 896-8000 are shared humanity common and you need to

perform the other and they were so utterly denies humanity to those people why these paradoxes never rationalized i think that the 2 are actually irreconcilable and in fact it was true this was dealt with unsatisfactorily many of the slave states in the united states and other countries do follow racialized medicine in which they claimed that people of a different race or almost 2 different species they had diseases but many of them did knock over or if they did their bodies were affected in different ways this was the origin even of the tuskegee so who was experiment was to demonstrate this truth even as late as the 19th thirty's and forty's and fifty's it's it's extraordinary but it's the truth i'm now as you are also still. microbes were instrumental not

wholly in bringing about slavery but also at least classically saying you know the mass and the slave rebellion anymore and they hate me as as the prime example because the african slaves. for their lives far have immunity as yellow you are used in have and what struck me the most about this whole story is that the leader of that very balanced the rates were all this was the. aristides egypt about people really have pretty good run biology and the. 100 years ago. i think that the battle is the most. right there was not actually a modern understanding to sound live or if you're dead how was it was very followed medical events he had worked in a hospital and he was also went to with traditional hell

practices is stunned on that and he knew that and europeans you know this is well they regarded the caribbean as a white man's grave and so it was well known to him the europeans outing when they 1st came to the caribbean or enormously vulnerable in the summer to yellow fever and that they died of it in great numbers and so he used his knowledge to not to fight anything but rule warfare until the summer came and then to use true draw the soldiers of the british into the interior and they became sick and died of yellow fever in monster numbers so yes this was this accounted for his success because the. french commander actually wrote that 80 percent of his troops died of yellow fever and the other 20

percent were recovering and in capacitated to their weapons and so only and was forced to surrender and haiti became an independent nation and with the end of slavery and eat well ah good for them and our purpose is know that we have to be the story breaking over people the battles of the moment. this is all about bailing out the banks on wall street and why because they are the biggest contributors and owners of the fed the fed is bailing itself out the fed oh it's all these stocks the fed has all these loans the fed owns all these bonds when

a prince money and keep zombie companies alive it's to keep itself alive it turned to money for itself and by the way who's a huge shareholder in all this nightmare jay powell j.p. 1000000000000 self out why can't people who are underwater on their mortgages or just been laid off in america simply print money to bail themselves out like jay powell is printing money to bail themselves out that's not right is it. some control for a middle class to homeless overnight most of our very hard working people who want to get ahead that have either have some some health issues or have some of it out of strict about luck the whole time joel moon told me he's paying for a place to live and missing just a month's rent can get you a victim to gunpoint if anything bad happens to any thing that just throws your budget off slightly. you better catch up real quick or you're going to have a judgment of possession against you and get addicted to anyone that's homeless is

history like garbage people look at you like a monster or someone bad or you chose to be there most of the time it's not the case see how it is to be pole in the world's richest country. i know to no crow. no shots no. action to go. well dr no the 1st to. which your thirst for action. are. welcome back to worlds apart with brad snowden and perhaps

a emeritus at. yahoo depressives the author all at the dynamics of the blackout present business know that earlier in the program. the racial violence in the united states makes i'm sure is pretty painful for you to observe as an american citizen but he has any relation to the subject of your study in other words the past 3 months isolation or joblessness who are some people to cross the line from peaceful process. more violent action yes is the 1st answer but i think not going to in the way that you're suggesting by your question the protests have mostly been peaceful is the 1st point i would like to make others 2nd is this disease is following a terrible trajectory of targeting the disadvantage because of the

conditions in which they live structured dark way by our society and so covert 19 as just proportionately affected are for can american law hispanic americans and native americans are at terrible rates much more a white population and the economically more advantage so these demonstrations the killing of george foiled came after months in which people. experiencing this great disparity in their relationship with a disease and so this would been a long term part of american lung and not surprisingly people were very very aware of this disparity and were angered by a and b. are already in 899 on the grid is story and w.e.b.

dubois noted these disparities in health between african-americans and the white population and he said the most extraordinary thing was not the disparity a civilized nation we tolerate such as for taxes but i do do not want to discount the economic disparities but i think is also very interesting and perhaps is not always the. policy is before depression units because the mortality of the. grammys are 0 but from what i know it's not that they call it 90 that is so scary but the complication bars that happen most definitely. very different impact on various countries deeding are actually such a good idea to. 8th uniform almost uniform policy. response to call it by its. actually think when we're talking at the

moment of what's available in order to combat the disease may be different when we have there are peas and a vaccine for example at the moment however there is only really one weapon and that is social distancing and doesn't vary whether you're in mumbai or in new york city the president now the national you know very well the president was a social distancing some of them a service most of them in fact he's pretty straight aren't we to have the major economic social impact of the places i've earned him or with most agree that the lowdown on the side of our side because there are harder than others and i would assume neighborhoods in the united states and even in russia they are higher than the other states to what extent do you think economic. considerations should figure

in. because we see from emergent size of the lower valleys. that eat me up all are imposing a quantum state apprised of that a different society is very different. you know you're you're absolutely right and i don't mean to say social distancing has to be a sound alone policy and in fact if you impose nor miss long downs as has been done vigorously in india. has to be a people winstar it and so what is happened as i'm not trying to say to praise the policy of it i'm just saying that it was a stark reality they had to accompany with our programs to ensure that people would get food. and so one does have to tailor the nature of a law down. of social just insane hi jean it measures to the reality of the society

in which they occur but the basic strategy of war hand washing if possible a social distancing are very important the only problem is it is very possible to be in a society where there is a quarter for hound washing and where you live so many people told room and crowned in a crowded slum 10 that's a social distancing becomes very very difficult to crowd just think as a consequence even countries are reporting those measures and some countries it's some difficult in the 3rd world and we're seeing this balance upsurge in india and in want america and that's our of the result of. now correct me if i'm wrong but it was china and the 1st try the old war and the rest of the world he pretty united states. i guess for me

a vote that something like that may have been privatised during the place years. people didn't have them up 3 sizes more delicate schools but most recently probably has been moving towards more discrete matters like he's finding unsafe i am wondering if. these new. moral or immoral choosing supposedly choosing people's lives over the economy is. going to become permanent and isn't really such a progress when it comes to public health. i think i would say that of public health is the number one priority i believe of a civilized nation and so. doesn't if you do knowledge the economy to beyond a certain point you're also going to create problems of new problems of

health and disease malnutrition hunger and so on and so i don't think those 2 things should be an opposition i'm not saying there should be a reopening an attempt to restart the economy i'm just saying has to be done in a very planned and careful way and not just going back to life as if coded 19 didn't exist but if you look at what's happening in your own country people have a little. bit i do know that is that surveys of saying out there rallies or at riots would you be surprised if after all these street even wouldn't see any people in the banks i do expect that there will be a wave of covert 19 a result of the reopening and i believe that was in orange because the reopening

was not done in a planned way and it was done before there had been a plotting of the curve as people say now and so yes i am pessimistic about what this will mean in terms of health in the united states. who are really beginning late summer and into the fall now you made a very persuasive case in one of your recent interviews that the how the most vulnerable people on the planet is a determining factor. for all of us all the 90 has demonstrated that he didn't. i don't think he is single president. mean that right i realize ation is far more forceful and tackle than any. you know panic about values people act out of. self-interest far more probably that. because of any moral imperative do you think the bill now is we're investing in you

public health of the developing countries or vulnerable people simply as a result of so interest on the part of the beach or on the part of. i don't want to say that in any automatic sense and i think just very briefly i would say it depends on whether you mean short or long term short term i think absolutely not the media impact is to fracture all to break solidarity to undermine world health organisation to breaking out unity to break apart the european union in lawsuit ways and i think nationalistic. attempts to solve the problem and the instituto are tarty are going to fail because they're dealing with physical reality and you can bargain with nature and it's nature that has delivered

this message and so people will be no only in the long term are going to have to adjust the way they live and conduct business to take into account this new vitally important aspect of our life the need to assist with that 19 so i think some important changes in a positive direction are going to happen out of our self interest as a species we can survive without changing he also said that. this car on the bar is how has it really brought us out of work and the roles that of us humanity have to make huge rethinking lastly rather than by see the prison it's not the guys it's really the bad but i think one message that i didn't do last few weeks is that . nobody ever attacked me or my family how bad the not.

eating very mostly whites eat and how much we've been very disciplined about slieve asses size and most jazz. to preserve your metabolism and you strengthen your immunity don't you think that all of us would say that personal responsibility out that would be gone way past the age that the governments of the world can devise prolapse. i'm afraid i half agree with you i think individual initiative of the kind that you're taking is a lot of all important and it has very important to fact this is good and needs to be encouraged indeed there needs to be more education for individuals and sound how they can protect their selves and the people they care for that is critical the only thing i would say is that it's not possible for everyone there are all the

advice as i was saying to wash your hands if you don't have water supply the advice to practice social distancing if you live in a moment by slum where there are 10 people sleeping in a room if you don't have access to education or to medical care then you're not able to do that if you can't decide when you feel ill you'll stay home to stay home for work because you found lee and you will starve if you do that so i think there are many many people not so well placed who can't take those measures on an individual basis and the whole point of all is to be sure those or most vulnerable in our midst are cared for and not cannot be done by those people it needs to be done on a societal basis as well that this is another we have to leave it there thank you

very much 1st there is a great break on. through my pleasure as well thank you so much and thank you for watching i hope to see you again that's part of all of the part. of our own to. borrow.

nuclear become a battleground in the u.s. in vermont people love demanding the shutdown of a local plant from my yankee is right now my focus because it's a very dangerous oh no claire power plant the owner is attempting to run the reactor beyond its operational limit this case just sort of puts a magnifying glass on where's the power in this country where's it going is it moving more towards corporate interests or is it more in the idea of a traditional just. power lie with the people this case demonstrates that struggle in the very real ways. a struggle. to.

free people are confirmed dead after a multiple stabbing in reading england police have already arrested a 25 year old man on suspicion of murder. in. this year's commemorations to mark the end of slavery in the united states see mass turnouts across the. team truck plowed ahead with its 1st campaign rally since the start of the pandemic despite a legal challenge over the risks of contagion many are calling it the suit hypocritical as black lives matter protests continue at the same time. and brazil becomes the 2nd country to surpass 1000000 known corona virus infections with public and.