battleground in the u.s. in the moment people are demanding the shutdown of a local plant some might is right now my focus because it's a very dangerous. air power plant the owner is attempting to run the reactive beyond its operational limits this case just sort of puts a magnifying glass where's the power in this country where's it going is it moving more towards corporate interests or is it more in the idea of a traditional the just a very democracies are powerline with the people this case demonstrates that struggle in very real ways a struggle. greetings and salyut ation. police are losing funding stone relics of racism are toppling

and voices from every region of the planet have cried out in unison the black lives matter but that my friends still still has not been enough to keep us law enforcement agents from pulling the trigger on black and brown folks across this country late into the heat of the early summer night on friday june 12th atlanta police officer garrett rolfe chose to shoot and kill 27 year old rae sharp brooks for that most heinous crime of being supremely drunk and passed out in a wendy's fast food drive thru or is the state president of georgia and i believe c.p. reverend james would also rightly observed this is not the 1st time a black man has been killed for sleeping. just 48 hours later after the wendy's burned in the protesters had to add yet another name to that now growing list of lives lost to police violence the world celebrated the birthday of

a legendary revolutionary ernesto shig levada whose observations on what drives the rebellion still ring true today that the true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love it is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality but the words in legacy of. isn't the only past revolutionary whose spirit you can feel in the fabric of the protests we are witnessing today and whose birthday we celebrate this week across the country and the world from new zealand to philadelphia to poxy couper's 998 anthem changes has become one of the many featured songs that have made up the soundtrack to these protests in fact changes actually jumped to the top of i tunes top 100 in early june reaching as high as the 25th spot born quite literally out of the black panther party in the 1970 s. and later becoming one of the legendary hip-hop voices representing the struggle of black america in the 1980 s. and ninety's sure once quoted as saying i'm not saying i'm going to rule the world

or i'm going to change the world 'd but i guarantee you that i will spark the brain that will change the world and that's our job is to spark somebody else watching us . as we celebrate the birthday of these 2 great revolutionary voices whose time was cut short by assassination i think we can safely say the manifestation of their spirits live on in the fight for equality that we are witnessing today and that my friends is where we will start watching the hawks. if you want to know what's going on on a city street you want to. be so you'd like to see the prices joyce just stay and see drone strikes it's great suggests least systemic deception is the late show which would be so when the guild is. welcome or when watching the hawks i am i robot and and joining us today to talk about the latest

news on the protests in the fall out of a murder or a sharp brooks. is that in the matter black lives are in the and the legacies a 2 part of our is author and salon dot com editor at large d. walk ins along with him is writer journalist and watching orc social media producer evan springer thank you both for joining us today. but you're all right here we are at the height of change and protests in the united states probably the kind not seen in this country since the 1960 s. and early seventy's and yet during all of this we have yet another killing of a black man by a police officer under ludicrous circumstances at best devon you've lived in atlanta what are your thoughts on this latest shooting. well you know lana is really my home that's where i was raised and i can't stress 'd enough that this is not a new problem that what's happening to brooks is actually in

a long line of police killings in atlanta we've had the the police killing of anthony hill alexia christian catherine johnston oskar cain who was actually a community organizer was killed by police just last year so. it's very hard us going to from atlanta to see this moment and to see so many people just now realizing that this mythical black mecca that we're told atlanta is is actually not the case i think for those of us who live there we've known for a while that that's not the case but i think the rest of the country is realizing that the image that people like the mayor keesha lance bottoms try to put out to the world that lance's the safe utopia for black people and we have rappers like killer mike in seattle who go on t.v. calling atlanta what and i think we're seeing that sort of narrative crumble in front of our eyes and as someone who is a child in atlanta i never thought that we would have a day where the mythical black mecca of atlanta is finally coming to an end this idea of it being a perfect place and even looking at this specific case with

a rashard brooks there is video of it of course that's very heartbreaking to watch but it makes this call to defund the police even more urgent because imagine if the person who came to ray shards car was not armed officer but was a mental health professional or even was someone whose job is to get people home when they're out and they're intoxicated right there's a multitude of other options other than police that could have went to a race shard in that wendy's parking lot and we wouldn't be where we are today with this situation so i think that his case is so heartbreaking but it also makes people understand the urgency of this call to defund the police and think on a larger scale about what police do do you want your thoughts on the recent shooting death of overinsured. wow i. totally fell group of agree with everything devin just said it and i think that this is that it just shows the world our own. i don't want to call people stupid but how stupid police

offices can actually be i mean let's just let's just say that we're trying to give police officers some type of benefit which they don't deserve in a situation or in most situations but let's just let's just say here is they were trying to do that ok you stop a guy who sleep in his car right when you go up to him you pull him out the car you guys have a conversation he gets you a taser anyone ok cool that doesn't equal murder like put all phases you have to be 25 so 1st of all if somebody is a drunk person can probably tell you that you would say is there from 25 feet away so the fact that you thought deadly force was the only option shows a tremendous disconnect between police officers and communities and people who know they know that if that was a white person he would be allowed right now they would have booked them he would have got processed you know a little bail whatever came home and then he would have

a day in court like he deserves because those are the rules but supposed to abide by in this country and it's just said it's just disgusting it's like these cars they even have like that and then that they've been watching the news do they know to keep on it that we're in right now so it's just you know it's some fortunate. and i agree with you 100 percent being a member of a white sorority i have seen people who have been passed out wasted and have done some crazy things involving police officers one of my friends actually slapped a woman and not only did she not get booked she didn't get charged with anything they just made sure that she got home ok so i'm right there with you on that when we have a question this week we're celebrating the birthdays of both shea guerrero and talks of course where hearing tupac music during the marches and we're seeing his songs chart again pretty heavily how do you think pop legacy influence today's activism. you know i think that. pocket music will always always be relevant because he has so many messages that get. defunding the

police and the problems that they cause now communities how racism is used as a tool to pot the school i went to. the people who were supposed to be educating me on this but tupac actually shout about the problems that exist within america in dealing with politicians and dealing with police offices in time or for instance on changes when doing the introduction and there's a lot in changes i'm not going to use any profanity but i'm just going to give my abbreviated t.v. friendly version but it's cops don't care about a negro pull the trigger kill a black person he's a hero so the same thing has been going on the same thing has been going on since i was so much out just to fuck with this much out so you know pack of the 5 irrelevant and those that energy and then able to leverage adjust and address and attack this system is the reason why so many young artist still coated glasses they

. hold by when they go out to create music so he does a magical person any any you know he had magical language doesn't you know shame of our faces become an iconic image of revolution and change but but his work and legacy is more than just a picture on a t. shirt or a parade has had his legacy influence this kind of rebellion against oppression and racism as well that the same as pox or in a different way than we are saying today. oh absolutely i think that someone like jake of air and tupac shakur who are are cut from a different a different class than the rest of us write like they have inspired millions of people around the world whether i am in havana cuba or in palestine or in jamaica there's murals of these 2 individuals all over the place there's people who resonate with their message i mean especially right now in this covert pandemic the very people forget he was a physician and the reason why cuba has such a successful medical industry right now is because he works to establish

a medical medical sort of industry that included people who live in rule areas a lack of neighborhoods and the poorest neighborhoods across the island so his message was one of bringing everybody into health care everybody into a society that was more just he actually said you should shrimp bull with indignation at the sight of injustice meaning racism sexism homophobia exploitation should literally make you so mad you're trembling and this is actually the kind of thinking that he had as he was helping to establish the cuba that there is today where there's free healthcare for everyone right and i think we can say the same about 2 thoughts or course he was raised by a genie sure couper who was one of the baddest in a good way one of the best black panthers that ever came from the black panther party is his godmother was a side issue poor who is in cuba right now so these 2 characters have have animated

the life of movements across the world for generations and they will continue to do so. i want to quickly ask one question when we're going to go to break with who to use a juicy figures like that coming out figures like sherri figures like to park coming out of the current movement the word that no one's talking about yet but we will be talking about 20 years from will be. that i think that you know our i think that there are figures. that are emerging right now and people have good reason to be suspicious of some of the figures whose messages don't align with what the masses in the streets are actually saying but i think one thing that this movement has been good about doing is not making celebrity out of people are feeling that everyone has to be the next che guevara to practical or is it that's what you're going for that's not what you're going to be so i think we will look back on history and maybe 5 or 10 years and be able to point to key individuals who did help get the police defunded who dig create change in different cities but i

think right now in the moment it might be you know 2 hired to necessarily say develop your finish up or where. a lot of people are just like people become addicted can't look like you know something like the bigger organization put forth some of the bigger figures who are who are trying to marry the movement but there's not a lot of people i'm speaking from my mom there's a lot of underground people who are doing pretty good thing about our community to buy into to make money for them to make sure our students have something to love and look forward to when i think i think i don't know if those people are going to get the praise they deserve a history but they don't care about the parade because i don't that's right. couldn't i couldn't agree more i want to thank you both for coming out and educating our audience today about what's currently happening and also about these 2 amazing figures in history of our to box score thank you so much dee always a pleasure. thank you thank you. all right as we go to break remember that you can

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politicians and individuals on the right think it's preposterous anarky and it's an all out assault on law and order. but fall on the left sided equally problematic congressional black caucus leader and house majority whip james clyburn said nobody is going to deepen the police we can't restructure police forces restructure restructure reimagined policing. funny thing is that the fact we would be fun the police actually meets thousands of protesters across the country have come together to demand changes in policing following the death of george boyd brianna taylor richar brooks and general ration of blacks who've lost their lives to overzealous policing the idea of defunding the police isn't new at all nor did it actually originate from black lives matter the calls have rung out for decades especially in the nation's most over police and under-served communities deep on the police doesn't mean eliminating all police funding it means police will not be overfunded

it means redistributing city budgets deep on the police means narrowing police services because police officers aren't mental health counselors they're not medical professionals they aren't education specialist most police in calls in america are for nonviolent offenses officers are being deployed daily to address homelessness mental health episodes school disruptions and parking tickets all things the police are not necessarily the best equipped to trying to do well maybe the parking ticket. police departments budgets have exploded largely due to the war on drugs and the war on terror today police budget swallows city allocations preventing funding of services that actually do reduce crime like economic development programs education services mental health and housing reports currently police departments of major cities in america are funded in the billions billions with the b. new york city near $6000000000.00 l.a.

in chicago near $1800000000.00 just think of how much cities could benefit if just a fraction of those funds 20 percent were allocated to services that actually have current prevention strategies that work isn't it time we invest in these strategies and don't leave the bodies of black dying in the streets. joining us now is maxwell author of take back the land welcome back. thank you what policing budgets in the billions and communities feel failing and pulling hard under the weight of intimate poverty and if they make racism why do you think deep in the police if such a polarizing term we're seeing a lot of hate thrown from both sides of the aisle on this one and what do you think can be done to change that narrative. well 1st i'm not sure it's from both sides of the aisle it certainly is from some democrats and some who oppose the concept would be called on the right i'm not sure most democrats would be called the left

strictly speaking but with that said i think that that any time people who are oppressed want to do one of 2 things either group move or one of the tools that the oppressors have able to them to. maintain oppression or if they want to reimagine the society in a new way they want to think about society it wage then those who are either the direct oppressors who benefit from the system of oppression often feel some kind of way about people who normally are not in power thinking for themselves and reacting for themselves with that said my organization pan african community action we're really impressed and hopeful about this moment and what that calls for defunding need in terms of people of reimagining the society we're not calling for defund we are calling for community control over police not for defund the police we think that's an important distinction at this time it is an important distinction i want

to ask you know because one of the big issues i would see is the mental health issues you know because like mental help are still these mental homelessness programs suffer from a men's budget you know policing budgets are going to lose like they're the ones are suffering or poor all this money and the police america's priorities to me seem to be very misplaced what makes policing more of a priority than homelessness a mental health even when we know that the vast majority of those arrested actually fall. well into those categories of being homeless or suffering from mental health issues. well it's not really the function of police to take care of those issues it's the function of police to serve the interests of those who are in charge and to protect the wealth of those who are in charge and you can't really serve their interests or protect their wealth by taking care of people who have mental health issues or people who are poor or lifting up the lives of those who you that those wealthy people require to deliver to them cheap labor so those things have to be in place and the only way they can really be in place is to have

a an active an even over active police force that's to see in the united states. and in your view what does community policing look like and how can it be implemented effectively we see that there are various different comments from various different place of the balcony policing and what it actually looks like on the ground what do you think is actually affective in community policing and where some of the areas where currently having trouble. so just so it's clear we're not advocating community policing we're advocating come unity control over police for us the important distinction in the important. the center of this moment is not relatively speaking how much the police get if they get to 50 percent of the budget of 40 percent of the budget and 30 percent of the budget the real question for for us is who is in charge with the police responding to what's happening now when you're seeing why people. call the police when they see any kind of what they think

of as a transgression from a black person and effectively using the police as their own personal force the police are coming and they are enforcing that these people who we're seeing on social media in these viral videos they didn't just come up with these ideas on themselves this isn't the 1st time they thought of it they've been raised they've had years and years of this experience at the police is their way of controlling poor black people and poor brown people that's their experience in life it's not this do learning it as are seeing this on on you tube so the real question for us is not how much funding does the police get although that is a real question the real question for us is who is the police actually working for and we want the police to be working for low income black communities that that we can determine how they respond to situations in our community and really protect us rather than focusing on protecting the interests of the wealthy let me ask you with a show here is our the issue is not marginal amounts of funding you know i think you bring up some great points that i can agree to more labor but i couldn't agree

more with me as he does would it help if you saw more police or you know law enforcement i guess or whatever more call it come from the communities that they are supposed to be protecting and serving. i think if that would work then we would see in other words if there were more black police and that would solve some of these problems if that were an actual thing that what we would see is wherever there were black police in majority white neighborhoods there would be instances of police brutality of black police against white police but the the key factor is not the race of the police the key factor is who everyone knows without even having to overly say it with the police work for if you were to get a black police officer who in his bones hated white people he still would not brutalize that white women and white men because he knew he couldn't get away with it and at the same way if you have a black police officer who doesn't hate black people but is working in

a police department that is responsible for containing low income black communities then the black officer either has to actively participate in the brutalization of black people who supposedly doesn't 8 or he has to look the other way as the brutalization takes place right in front of his eyes we're seeing that happen all of the time so in that respect the real issue here is of the real question is who's in charge who's in power and we're sorting that during this moment in history this is our opportunity to shift power and the have a security force a safety force that actually works for the communities that they're in and that in that way doesn't really matter what color the police are if they know that by putting their hands on black people they're going to face the consequences then they would not put their hands up like exactly exactly delphine does the piece you just spoke about also include things like that that if interview boys were thing more and more 30 that are are going to have those now and a kicker point is really high do you think that that would actually be effective.

so reviewing someone else who is in power is one thing so if someone has the power and that i'm granted the ability to look over their shoulder or to review what they're doing that's one thing but that's not what we're asking for here we're saying that we shouldn't just be granted the op to look over someone's shoulder and review what they're doing we should be telling them what to do and when they're not doing what we're saying they should do then we should have the ability to remove them so we're not talking about review at this point if we were to secure community control over police then review boards will be support for this so just be extra we'll be just a review on top of power so there's no review board inside of the police department the police she doesn't get a review board because the police chiefs in charge and the police department is in charge of itself so what we're really really looking for is power and there's a growing movement to secure community control of police in addition to our local

organization and african community actually we also have the national association against racism political repression i was just started in 1900 read launched as a national network and the primary campaign of that network is to have community control over the police all across the united states now i can say i got to say thank you so much for coming on and educating our viewers on what that looks like that community control police once again max rameau author of type back the land thank you so much for joining us today sir truly a pleasure having you on. thank you. man as a lot of interesting ideas floating out there absolutely i mean i wasn't necessarily a familiar with the community out process that he was speaking of either we've heard about community policing but what he's describing is something entirely different and it's interesting taking the power back to him bringing him back into the community is aware this was that's that's powerful interesting interesting dynamics want to see that plays out absolutely all right everybody that is our show for you today remember in this world we are not told that we are loved enough. so i

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this is r.t. u.k. we're currently waiting for the government's daily coronavirus press briefing and it will be the last regular one given today by the prime minister meanwhile the headlines this hour. given. the significant food in the prevalence of the virus so we can change the 2 metre social distancing route from the 4th of july. the u.k. prime minister cut social distancing from 2 meters to one meter plus as he announces the return of pubs restaurants and hairdressers to get the reaction of an expert specializing in medical risk management. it's 4 years to the day since the u.k. voted to leave the european union trade discussions are still ongoing but what's

actually changed since the referendum we hear from both sides of the debate. and the u.k. government faces calls to scrap the role banning certain immigrants from receiving benefits which put many at risk of poverty touring the pandemic abi talking to the head of the homeless charity. boris johnson has announced a further easing of the lockdown restrictions in england from july the 4th including a reduction in social distancing guidelines both conditional and subject to change the prime minister said the new rules would help the country emerge from 3 months of national hibernation. given the significant form in the prevalence of the virus we can change the 2 meter social

distancing roe from the 4th of july. i know this rule effectively makes life impossible for large parts of our economy even without other restrictions for example it prevents all but a fraction of our hospitality industry from operating. that's why almost 2 weeks ago i asked our experts to conduct a review and i will place a summary of their conclusions in the libraries of both houses this week where it is possible to keep 2 meters apart people should but where it is not we will advise people to keep a social distance of one meter plus meaning they should remain one meter apart while taking mitigations to reduce the risk of transmission. to take us through the changes and outs by the prime minister and i think we can actually go to the prime minister and downing street with today's coronavirus

briefing. good evening could i have a person please. thank you on the 16th of april we set out our 5 tests for adjusting the lock down and since then they have guided our path at every stage we did it gently assessed our progress against these 5 tests before making changes and it has meant that we have so far over did the catastrophe of a 2nd peak of infection that could have been overwhelmed the n.h.s. and meant so many more lives lost next slide please. so our 1st test is to protect the n.h.s. is ability to cope so we're confident that we're able to provide sufficient critical care and specialist treatment right across the u.k. well the n.h.s. coped fantastically under the extraordinary pressure of this pandemic on the 20th

of june but that was prime minister barak's chance of there and to take us through the changes announced earlier by the prime minister i'm now joined by r.t. your case. is that he says so what does cutting this distance the social distance mean for businesses. but at least heard from the tribe minister just there of course we're going to be seeing some of these street sions lifted from the 4th of july and he had been speaking out even that day and made reference to the fact that the hospitality industry was one of the hardest hit as a result of the economic fallout of the coronavirus locks down and into ticket at restaurants bob's pubs bars cafes lounges all other type of hospitality establishment really struggling and now this decision to produce social distancing distance down to one meat plus as it's called by government really helped those in

establishing to get their doors open want more though they will still have to have a number of measures in place such as one way systems the hand sanitizers that limited contact between start and customers and past the most interesting one is a requirement for those establishments to take the contact details and names of all of that patrons which some civil liberties and privacy campaigners railed against now the prime minister was beating earlier today in the house of commons and he was updating parliament as to what these changes me. misspeak i can tell the house that we were also reopen rest grows and pops. all hospitality in doors will be limited to table service and our guidance would encourage minimal staff and customer contact we would ask business

is to help n.h.s. test increase responds to any local outbreak by collecting contact details from customers as happens in other countries and we will work with the sector to make this manageable. but other changes are there well hairdresser's global with precautions in place like she visors been warned also never bars open if it's safe to do so people are looking to visit family and friends you can meet with one household food in overnight stays but that's it you can state with different family will different household every time and hotels and campsites kellog and it's as long as the facilities can be shown to be clean hygienic libraries out of which is playgrounds they can also be opened as can't places of worship with a maximum of up to 30 people of course in the time that this crisis has been ongoing churches mosques temples synagogues other places of worship all being

closed and it's just england however who will be subject to these types of changes because d.s. in scotland they've decided to keep with the 2 needs rule and so just like you might have a number of scientific advice this side of the border they say that they're going to be following their own scientific advice to keep that distance longer that press conference that we just heard from the prime minister will be the last of the daily ones with the government saying that they will only now hold those briefings if there is something. big enough and newsworthy enough for them to announce it is ready thank you very much indeed. and as the prime minister continues to take the media through the latest science out of it being the final daily press the. idea it was that he takes a look at how enlightening they've been for not. i've been in government is one thing but perhaps the u.k. government's coronavirus press briefings have shown you really can't have too much

of a not very good thing let's go back 3 months ago when the virus was rapidly spreading the public were left in the dark and the media were filming whilst the government was seemingly appearing to lack to have any direction or clarity so in an effort to seize control of the agenda and the virus downing street went for broke not just for the weekly or even twice weekly briefing but one every single day good morning everybody good afternoon good afternoon welcome everyone to the government's daily briefing good idea well no one could accuse the government of not being open honest and transparent. why didn't we order the kits weeks ago when this 1st emerged as a problem why did we wage what he answered awarded. robert what was your 1st question exactly we haven't tried me on a question i can't answer yet but i'm happy to be proved wrong. is objective was to stop the spread of the virus i can kind of lip read but i think

we're going to need to. as the weeks rolled by such patterns and but even those certain things became standard like announcing the death because it didn't make it much easier there has been 300-034-9740 extension 00 tests carried out across the u.k. getting scientists on board was most a stroke they know what they're talking about get them to answer the difficult questions but it soon became quite clear that they weren't quite. right i can assure you that the desire not to get pulled into politics is far stronger on the part of the patrick in me than it is in the in the prime minister is that the minister has all the scientists offering me. the advice that we gave was certainly took account of what testing was available. it was what was the best thing to do with the test that we had it didn't happen on stage either the chief nurse ruth mae was dropped just hours before

a press conference for allegedly refusing to back the p.m.'s chief advisor dominic cummings and his little lock down trip to someone in number 10 decided it was better not to have too much of the science things began to flag the 18 was replaced by the be or even c.t. we can briefings were scrapped but even so junior ministers had very little to announce i'm going to turn to the 1st slide please. the 1st line which brings me to something which many people have been eagerly awaiting news about and that's the return of light sport of course the ratings plummeted over 27000000 viewers at the height of the pandemic now down over 90 percent even boris johnson's own appearances failed to grab the audiences and as we head towards a new normal it seems only a matter of time before this coronavirus sideshow comes to a close if anyone still watching to notice child actress ashley r.t. . before all the years and of the lockdown in england at least i'm joined by

a consultant at the medical risk management company international s.o.s. that's dr out and eventual torrential thank you for joining us as a risk assessor and a medical one is this the right move. but i think it's a very delicate balancing act here and there are a lot of moving pieces and you know the government has it has had some very tricky decisions to make. what i don't want to know before this will be you know has they looked at the evidence around that distancing what evidence they consider that have they looked at an ability to be flexible if cases do arise later on why have a little bit of a look at the evidence really before and before commenting on that which i gather will be as soon or our concerns that we shouldn't be social distancing or reducing

that social distancing i should say when the virus is still out there. that's right as a been a number of commentators discussing that and i think it all boils down to what is the strategy that the case following the clearly some countries are following a strategy of a limb an 8 seeing the virus they are all actually went down every single case follow up in a recent case with the intent and to not have any cases at all and that's considerably easier for countries like new zealand and others that are following that strategy so the u.k. is substantially more difficult we're a international hub an awful lot of travel going on and business going on and so it's you know the strategy here is much more on suppression and i think there is a. realisation that you know getting rid of the virus

completely in the u.k. is a bit of an unrealistic goal but hasn't cutting the social distancing distance actually transferred risk or the management of risk to the public. so cutting the distance is one of the measures that we've we've looked at here it is one of many and i think it's very important to continue all of the other good stuff that everybody is doing around hand hygiene and those sort of personal behaviors that we're all doing and to supplement that distance then so it's less about whether it's 2 meters or one meter and it's more around ongoing personal behaviors that with society need to continue doing and the other point i think is around why why are we considering putting this in a number of countries the u.k. is not not alone here. and you know that points to their realisation

that. you know if you want to cut the risk physical distancing is one of the very best ways of doing it but actually moving from 2 meters toto one meter it's very our knowing what that risk actually is there was a paper published last week and in in lancet which tried to articulate that and specify that they think that that 2 meter to one meter shift worded. increase the risk by a factor of 2 but actually it's very difficult to quantify that and even in that study that's been critiqued in. so you know i think at the end of the day the prime minister of the netherlands i think summarized it best here and we're making 100 percent of decisions here based on 50 percent of the evidence dr and

eventual thank you very much indeed for your thoughts. and still to come the sound . is 4 years to the day since the u.k. voted to leave the e.u. asked trade negotiations carry on but for his own touchy change we have invited signs of the debate. join me every thursday on the elec simon short and i'll be speaking to guest of the world the politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then.

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going to. thank god i'm back a group of crossed party m.p.'s have recommended scrapping a rule banning certain migrants from claiming benefits which has left some a risk of poverty too in the coronavirus pandemic a report by the work and pensions committee has recommended suspending the no recourse to public funds rule the law introduced in 2012 stops migrant workers with leave to remain in the u.k. from claiming many social security payments earlier the prime minister appeared unaware of its existence when questioned by m.p.'s in front of the liaison committee isn't it wrong but our hardworking law abiding family are being for what are the current arrangements into destitution. stephen why do they want me eligible for universal credit too or.

any of the other it's a request to the contrary have no recourse to public form perhaps a condition to their leave to remain. well the committee also raised other issues with the system including tens of thousands of claimants who lost out on a 20 pound a week rising universal credit skew to the existing cap on benefits that's 20 pound increase was not offered to hundreds of thousands of claimants on legacy benefits such as jobseeker's allowance ministers claimed operational difficulties are to blame while a self-employed to tax credit claimants were wrong they advised to apply for universal credit and as a result were left worse off a home office spokesperson said that the government supports those who are unable to access many parts of the benefits system. we have taken extensive action to support those with no recourse to public funds the government's measures including rent protections also apply to those with these conditions and we've allocated more

than $3200000000.00 pounds to local authorities and 750000000 pounds to charities to reach out and support the most vulnerable. well for more on this and are joined by the chief executive of a homeless charity that samantha dewberry amanda thank you for joining us i think can you understand why this no recourse rule was introduced it was to stop those coming here to work and then instantly accessing state funds. yes absolutely so the condition of no rickles to public funds was really part of the hostile environment that was created so low in net migration levels in the paper and national audit report recently shows that there's no evidence that has actually contributed to lowering net migration rates but it has contributed to is a system where people become astute. suffer from our hopelessness and creates to bishan in our community and what we're focusing

on at the moment is looking at through that and then it has been some exceptional work that's been achieved bringing community scare the people from all parts of the community who have been working together only an extra mile people from 'd the minority 'd ethnic community and so on. and working together to you know move forward on these issues and build a community where. we know that everybody has a roof over their head everybody has a home and so we're calling on the government to acknowledge that basic human need and to provide basic support. for everyone who is experiencing homelessness as a result of no vehicles to apply for their records for all was applied only to those with temporary immigration status wasn't. yes yes that's right but many people who. are going to the country experience that temporary immigrations they exist so not many people fortunately and definitely true manning or the tories they

did win a majority on tightening immigration that was one of their policies and those affected then they didn't know the roast and they. yes absolutely. and played the clip earlier of the conversation between the n.p.c. even 'd tim's and the prime minister and ultimately foreign ministers have to acknowledge that people who live and work here have a right to be supported other other avenues for those affected to explore. no i mean if you have no recourse to public funds you can't get welfare supports and you can't get house to accommodate it so there has been an incredible response during the pandemic and we do want to applaud the men for the fantastic work around rough sleepers so $5400.00 people in full in off the streets during the pandemic theory that we have very quick thing running up to the end of june where we're expecting people to start to be moved out of the hotels in the temporary accommodation that

erin and if they have no recourse to the funds they can't access welfare benefits or have any means of paying their they're around so a stream the concern that there are no what the people who are on the streets back into destitution or very briefly if you were doing this what were the only issue flag that was it will there be a full scale overhaul when the crisis has abated very quickly if you don't mind. so i mean that that's what we're looking for and there is a growing that mention all the major homesickness charities are now calling for an end to the condition of no vehicles and that policy as he said earlier in your piece the cross party select committee is calling making a recommendation for review so there's growing momentum for this issue to be resolved so you know nobody is left behind as we come out of this pandemic and a thank you amanda to barry for joining us thank you. now the u.k.

shadow health secretary has hit out at the government's development of a contacts tracing out which has seen repeated delays for the national says the scheme has wasted taxpayers money on the up mr speaker the secretary of state told us it was clearly show and will be ready by mid may experts warned him it wouldn't work he spent 3 months wasted 12000000 pounds and has got nothing to show for it he's likely eric morcombe of the comedy he's been craving all the right notes just not necessarily in the right order. or this follows a you said by the government on the apps development number 10 originally wanted to create a bespoke version of the application but centrally stored all patient data and didn't use the decent relies templates created by tensions apple and google but it was revealed that patient data could have been stored for up to 20 years last week the government opted to use the apple google model instead saying it had always intended to work with them which the tech company denied health secretary matt

hancock has defended the government's position. make you sure that we use technology to its best possible effects is kind of really important and i would have thought that the shadow sector state would want to side with and support the efforts of all those including in the n.h.s. who are doing the work on this. sound finally it's 4 years to the day since the u.k. voted to leave the european union in the 2016 referendum prime minister barak's johnson had previously claimed there's no reason why the outline of a present deal cannot be completed by july that leaves downing street in brussels was just over a week to finalize any preliminary agreements the so-called level playing field of trade rules and standards as well as fishing quotas are still some point of contention in the negotiations while on june the 23rd 2016 britain voted to leave the e.u. a result that shocked political experts in the 4 years that have followed the u.k. has had 3 different prime ministers 2 general elections and

a presser of brussels based discussions but some would contend that not much has actually changed we put the issue up for debate with former independent m.e.p. andrew curry and breaks it expert professor john ryan. it's created a lot of political turmoil or it's paralyze parliament in the context of a lot of guy who destroyed disruption ukase being weakened globally and we're split culturally because people still feel even after the brics it's happened and i still feel. aligned to some of them their out in previous positions lot of people are still kind of mariah remain are in it mentality in action. and we've just been prime minister is we've got boris johnson who kind of. capitalized on what the brics a party did and actually start part of the type of the image. was successful in the

end to naturally becoming prime minister. it has been a very very difficult process and this trade issue has always been a bit of a misnomer because any of the trade deals that you look tat have not been really appropriate for war actually breaks to has been asking for let's tend to that and to what do you think to that. well i think john is quite right it has been difficult but you know if it was one company and you were going to take over another company and then you found some you'll keep please all directors have gone behind your back and look strength stockett's why we had a prime minister initially inmate who was not in favor of the bricks and we had a pro remain civil service and we had an ex prime ministers going on about trying to encourage the e.u. not to give anyway it's not surprising we've had her renders time when some would respect the democratic decision but on the other hand in orphans we do have the

e.u. who are desperately worried that if the if the u.k. does well others will follow so the e.u. are going to be fine for its survival was the real problem that a very complex issue was actually wrapped up in. an oversimplified yes or no question well no i think in fairness you have to have the fundamental question was what you put do we study will do we leave and if you leave it means you coming away from the european union's regulations and political. alignment i mean that's a fundamental question then is it possible that to find a compromise that doesn't involve then looking at the bigger picture hard border northern ireland does have a sector by sector and level playing field dail it also means that this fish for all this it a lot of debate or rand is there a compromise. no i think at the moment i think. some people if here are looking at this and some people in europe been looking at

this and thinking that i might be a i seen the sort of. the sort of based trait d.i.y. who is so from as you know being on the program from september own words that we were looking at that time either we were going to have another deal bracks it or possibly a reverse of the. of the decision because it became very very complicated in parliament last year as you remember since we had the election in. 12th of december sell that we got into the no deal breaks it because of the people who are in government to feel that that probably is the best option that we have common standards already with trading stocks so we could have mutual respect so those that's not a problem it is not difficult we just need a little bit of common sense. that with more news in half an hour or so for the.

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