i'm after attention you're watching a going underground special with the filmmaker francois truffaut once called the most important film director alive coming up in the show we asked bernard shaw give the coronavirus pandemic has fundamentally changed humanity and what it means for the internet the police and the planet plus as those leaving lock down from friends and family for the 1st time in months we asked the legendary german director about his new film family romance l.l.c. which explores the commodification of relationships all of the more coming up in today's going underground but 1st after a weekend that saw the united states celebrating independence day and the u.k. flooding the country's pubs you'd be forgiven for thinking life was getting back to normal after the coronavirus pandemic but with protests calling for the defunding of police still going on around the world will the only way to return to normal mean us having to embrace the surveillance state in fact will anything really be the same ever again joining me now from los angeles in the united states is the greatest film director of all time at least according to francois truffaut verna

his new film family romance l.l.c. is streaming now on movie villain and thanks so much for coming on before i even get to the new film. what culture of you've been enlightening yourself with during the lockdown well i'm trying to beat this it didn't. tell me and i think it's a. responsibility you keep distance takes place next experience to mention. star if the sucker meaning the virus has to be starved out by the most offensive of attitudes california has the biggest rates of friendly defections more than x. in texas money in florida so you better watch out when they do that. now many people maybe a different generations will know your acting as a as a star of the man to laurean but this new film family romance can you just explain

why i might ask you whether there i am impersonating an interviewer interviewing you and how that how that is to do with the film it's a deep question yes it could be you know might be an impersonator digitally discussable to pillowy into some digital interview with a likeness of you a real person so we we have to understand that representation of self even if you were yourself has changed with the digital age and in the way family romance. has as a subject this question of performative things or fake fake news of performative appearance of people where you're meant somebody most of the people

actually know exactly what they are doing they rent a friend when they're in deep salvage the woods and they have a great afternoon with a friend they go out to the bar but sometimes. that might be a case of a change missing a father. gets a rented foreign does know that the father they see and did so then it's and it's a deeper thing but of course i will it make christmas how much is your last performative. doing a conman. sation on the air you probably talk differently than to your own family you play roles and we are in the military service of n.p.r. with our children so we adapt different voices different edits he wants is it a kind of sequel to. tokyo story. not really. mention a film of vendors there in that case it was a documentary and there was

a participant but it's more image making. images that are wasted away that degenerated. that are dying out in a keep saying that since long time if you do not create adequate images for the state of our civilization being might die abject dinosaurus because presumably people will say it charts a horrifying destruction of family life let alone family romance given that people are imitating father's hurting feelings and whilst always being alone. of course it points also to existential solitude said we increase because populations are aging in all industrialized societies

we have aging populations but it's not only aging populations it's also the internet itself that paradoxically pretends to connect us yes we are connected we are not isolated but solitude scrim. i did a film of the internet lo and behold reveries of the connected world indian web sequence actually didn't include it in the film they said teenager who 15 years old who does true sounds in 200 texting a day constantly texting it's totally amazing and i have never seen solitude s.t.p. stet because all these 2200 trains and trace work she has never met in low and behold i think it's evil musk that. appears at one moment presumably you were joking when you said you wanted to go to mars on

a one way trip no it actually i'm old enough to do it now i could do that now i'm just curious it points to a very very deep curiosity of course and oriented very well are you to work status and i'm always depicted as adept at the lint jeopardizing my life but the life of everyone else is proof you said i'm very good in the assessment of risks and proof that i'm the prudent is set in i don't know send yourself feel not a single act of ethical turret but let's face it i do believe that his dream. to colonize mars is something we shouldn't do i think it's a mistake we should rather take care of our planet shia and not make a planet out there hospital which doesn't really well chemists at all it's

10000 times easier to colonize the bottom of the oceans for example than colonizing mars yes send out a few robots and maybe a few extra moths for scientific research and get them back but do not go like the locusts. greys empty our planet and then move on to the next one in family romance when characters do become conscious that they may be hurting people conscious of their impersonator and conscious of the illusion they seem to think the only way out is a fake death. yes that that is some sort of undercurrent in the film however the film shows and reality shows that the clients who rent persons to overcome desailly to replace a family member appearing awaiting us they enjoy what they are doing of course some

people thought that corona virus could bring society back together again rebuild it stop it being atomized do you think do you think it has helped bring society back together again very hard to make an assessment of the great society going no for example and family value of become all of us and more important we look out who is really close to me who is really important so we go for the essential snow who are the real friends and. emphasize in the increase in a context with family and i increase my income tax rates may be very best friends all the rest becomes an important electoral votes and work on things that are a cinch it's essential if what if one is lucky to have them of course i mean you're in los angeles coronaviruses hit the working classes right around the world

disproportionately worse and in fact class seems to have. become an issue in l.a. because of its intersection with race what have you made of what's been happening in l.a. recently you know of course a racial disparities become very evident in there we have seen it before agreeing when you look at the prison population not only in california on the united states criminal justice is heavily based and i do believe that the soul movement of africa. an american being noticed maining their rights and being supported in having their rights is something completely necessary and over to you and i as a filmmaker and member of the academy. just yesterday received a new nearly accepted members and it's remarkable 50 percent

almost 50 percent now of new arrivals into their. women a huge amount of african americans a huge amount of them. was from. trim other cultures. latinos and other cultures and of course also a lot of foreign us foreign film make us take you're not trying to get an oscar that by celebrating them because of course still people of color disproportionately targeted there what have you made of especially since you made that film about death row there being court decisions now allowing the resumption of executions in the united states well it's. something that is in the acceptable for me. and. i think it is.

it is something which points to something barbaric. but it's the last thing i can tell the american people may be pissed opinions because i only can tell them i am against capital punishment. because as a german i can not tell the american people cheney's people pakistanis how to deal with capital punishment and prison warrick's asked me he said very urban why i got an activist against capital punishment i said no but i don't fundamentally against capital punishment tell me why what's your reason and i said i do not have an argument and do not have a philosophical argument however i have a star i come from a country that executed takings of thousands of people because.

it's the reason against the barbaric regime of hitler even telling a joke on hitler could cost you live your life in addition to the 10s of thousands of people executed because of a severely retarded or insane or not worthy to live 3rd in addition to that genocide an industrialized genocide of 6000000 jewish people end of story. well we understand since. it started and it's a story went out so i'll stop you there more from the legendary filmmaker after this break. rush if you will that never really done this hoax doesn't like them it's also those

foreign policy choices around the feature. no t.v. no crowd. no shots. actually well to be. struck no 1st of. which your thirst for action. welcome back i'm still here with one of the greatest filmmakers of all time but it's actually 75 years since the end of world war 2 if you've been watching i know you watch going underground but i thought he was covering the russian involvement in the 2nd world war surprise that certainly here in britain it was churchill who

almost singlehandedly won world war 2 and here in the united states is american g.i.'s were it war but of course. completely and utterly aware. 25000000 people what we need the war and i know that russian troops. well the ones who liberated. consideration camps absolutes in the us and. where there's an. incredible sacrifice. on the side of russia and i do believe that. it's ignore it because of crisis of political interests it's very much a question not what are the facts maybe 600 ourselves 1000 american soldiers lost

their lives in the 2nd world war 2526000000 russians those are facts that cannot be ignored and today it's not that important what really happened it's where the christian who owns the narrative who owns the narrative and occupying the narrative has created some sort of lock sided. ideologies and looks at it the information that we see every day i don't believe that the team only zation of russia is a very very big mistake they think statues a part of a narrative i know that they're tearing their statues there they are attacks my understanding of history. is different i think we should be aware that we are historically formed and we are formed by mistakes and we are formed by by what the past is history that's an empty history it doesn't function by erasing the crime

the case history doesn't function by talking the money immense but users if you don't treat it very good you support the toppling of the statues of hitler in your country of europe. yes but but it's i think of course in the not a spouse because insignia and all is fine yes however in favor of very much the publication of hitler as man come for his son. his writings to date we have a new edition of it in germany just spend for a long time now days a new edition and you only can buy it with very fayne and rotations historians who point out what was the consequences of this statement of hitler what was the consequence of this debt like that paragraph in the book so it notated of course another element of the black lives matter protests has been the call to defund the

police has been criticised here in britain what have you made of it especially since your great film left hand and bad left haven't you painted a very grim picture of your justice system that. well it's a movie style air station and it doesn't have to to do much with police attest to do it with some sort of prince george of movies and shark a parasitic matic characters and all that but i must say my experience with police here in los angeles has been very pleasant been going to believe that only a very very small fraction of american police is rotten and it acts in a way that shouldn't it shouldn't be it needs to be reformed that's obvious and see no doubt defunding it completely and replacing them with boy scouts or beach along

tees who would be stupid it doesn't function like that but of course the united states as we say on this program of turn in prisons per capita more than stalin or mao. yes i see all of this and i notice all this not in the business of america bashing america has been very good to me and i see this as somebody who is a guest here in the country and i see of course all the deficits and i try to do my best and try to. speak out whenever there's an occasion to point out things that are overlooked i know that in the past you have said how los angeles is an amazing place because of the cultural power it exerts right around the world is it losing any of that today or is it still there. i think it is still

there because the things of great importance of great significance normally originate in in california and i mean the computer so internet started here in los angeles by the way the collective dreams of the world in cinema hollywood which is not my cup of tea but we have to remark important things also the silly things like aerobic studios and yoga is for 5 year olds and so all the silly things that they have repercussions around the world they normally originate from here very few other things come from other cultures muslim fundamentalism is not code for me i'm born and it comes from yemen and egypt and pakistan and saudi arabia there are obviously weapons companies in california that affect those other countries from where the is them is i'm comes from i suppose i

mean do you notice any more a greater progressiveness in california regardless of trump happening in california right now a resurgent like max and i 60 is yes despite of trumper california is doing ignoring much of what's coming from the central government and it's inoperative and it's bold for example the electric car is tesla car as they come from coming for india the rockets mutes in race and probably the sleek on advertising on mask throughout this interview. i mean i author you've entered the academy they gave the top oscar to a crazy marxist film parasite by. oh is that tastes changing and becoming. well or like more like your tastes. as opposed to the hollywood blockbusters that i know you don't like. well the academy

here has stunned astonishing seeing sint among others the korean film parasite winning it. and it's internationalizing of course. kevin me in tollywood is in a way opening to films from other cultures that desperately trying to open to china desperately trying to open to to india to india but it's because of the size of the markets too early though for any amounts a patient of indigenous peoples you've always made indigenous peoples a feature of your films they have actually been hit by coronavirus disproportionately yes. that's catastrophic and you seed in brazil for example. and. yeah of crisis it has it's been very much from my mind and it strains my wife who actually was supporting

me and the urals in your country and work. for us in our region she has done an oratorio called last risk is composed of languages that are already extinct and languages that are critically endangered where there's only one or 2 or 3 speakers left and of course i have paid attention now if very 10 days we are losing a hold spent with what happens if we lose russian no more tolstoy no merkel calling no no. no one to. know which i cough skeet and it's catastrophic how indigenous people are wiped out and how their culture is at disappearing and now because of the corona virus they are one of the most endangered. groups that we have out there and of course this in the

context of deforestation which has been linked to coronavirus you often talk about your jim anika era tent is there a chance that we are living through a via my germany type period as as you then just talked about extinction of entire societies of languages of while while we all watch celebrities on television. it's not easy to connect to the right to the confusions of the right in my era and in the repercussions in the results from all these very stable times but. yes i think previous shaking to a deeper core of a normally. because it has affects every person's. lifestyle in a way looking much way into late middle ages the big plake trains. into how it happened they are for example

a really revved. it danielle t. fellows journal of a plague of the plague in london. in the 1600s it's an incredible how he describes that a. week trial destroying outside of parliament in london with no other racism in defoe it did actually do well in the bestsellers just as coronavirus was having but i'm going to ask because i mean we cover it here yemen the world's worst humanitarian crisis the wars haven't stopped despite the un secretary general asking for it during coronavirus why do you think the media is a default in covering conflict you said in lessons in darkness about the fires in kuwait i had the feeling that this looked really awful and it was just a media way to deal with it and i felt i should do it much better what is it that

can be brought to the subject visually and experientially that the media just isn't well. at the time and made the film about the failures of kuwait it was in the news in 10 seconds snippets in little clips every every evening but i thought there was something much bigger big show had to be done because it's not only a put it a political component in there the bad guys of saddam hussein started to fire since and i thought it was speaker it was a crime and not only a political crime it was a train against creation itself against the meaning of creation and they made a firm where in a way firm did with. imagery where you cannot recognize our planet anymore every single image is as if it were shot on a catastrophic different planet somewhere out in the universe and yet we know it's

our planet try to to do a deeper approach spent. back to what you're saying about yemen the situation in yemen is highly highly highly complicated and complex it's not just simply a proxy war between east and west in saudi arabia and your chest name it it's very very complex and i'm not a pundit but i see what is happening and i do see what is happening and and i think it is catastrophic it is catastrophic him it has to be nearly approached all vies a stand on what interests what the interests of the others what are their interests of saudi arabia what are the interests of the western community what are their interests on the ground on the ground it's a catastrophe and it cannot stay like that now as we face all the implications of.

films you've made arguably your new film after family romance i will say which is opening up here and a standard about extra terrestrial threat to this world even though as we often cover here it's threatened arguably right corporations by military contractors and so on tell me about what fascinates me tis well they're fireballs coming at us and they had a lot of repercussions in culture like for example in history for example the blackstone at the southeastern corner of the car park in mecca is with all probability a meteorite it least a millennium before the prophet mohammed introduced islam big events that have. hit us a mysterious into a big event she should look in the yorker termit been insular

a crater 200 kilometers across 65000000 years ago that wiped out. the dinosaurs and almost all life on the planet and attached we have to we have to be aware to take the energy of hundreds of millions of hiroshima. maybe even thousands of millions of. amount of energy hiroshima bomb packed and these things can happen again of course when i talk thank you. thank you that's it for the show family momento fees available to stream now on movie will be back on wednesday when the minneapolis city traffic commission meets to decide on future possible evolution of its george floyd killing police force until then put your hands and join me on the ground the following us when you try to face because you come inside.

so we were. going to name chris mccomb the new movie. you. know him on those he just can't stand for whatever they think i didn't hear that oh . i'm talking about is a very international community i. mean it used to the trick if you're going to play . with this is a good thing is this the stuff that i need to do. there's a push for them at the world food used to look at the brazil so there nuchal script . is everything produced polluted with it in front of t.v. with any of the. 5 they have and with affected all day but i decided not to take

people's life. with my gig and tell you that. hello and welcome across town for all things are considered on peter lavelle russia game will it ever really die this hoax has a life of its own also the foreign policy blog mobilizes around old.