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russia game will it ever really die this hoax has a life of its own also the foreign policy blog mobilizes around old joe. ross talking this and more i'm joined by my guest marcus papadopoulos in london is the editor of politics 1st magazine and in budapest we have george samuel he is author of bombs for peace nato's humanitarian war on yugoslavia our gentlemen crossed up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate ok let's 1st go to budapest george i don't know what iteration of russia gate we're in right now but again we have a hoax that is evidence free anonymous source the media ran with it of course the political opposition the united states democrats they ran with it. and it's lots but i suppose lows. people that heard

a conspiracy the version of that conspiracy theory believes is true this is turning into a pattern i must say george yes yes i'm right be that it is a pattern we have the same cost of characters we have. anonymous intelligence officials we have the democratic. and we have the media and the pattern is exactly the same which is we have a story arise with no evidence. no documentary evidence no one speaking on the red core. and a story that flies in the face of common sense such as you know why would the taliban want to kill americans when americans are withdrawing from afghanistan. why would the russians want to kill americans when the united states is doing what russia wants it to do which is to withdraw from afghanistan. and you know this common sense notions fly out of the window and instead we're onto the road of

that's due to be stupid media story of what did the president know and when did he know it so the media assumes something is true and from going from if it's true what does this mean about relations with both at the same yes yes it is true and what's going to do about it what is he going to do is put it so it's exactly the same the same crap was before and and the consequences are already apparent because we now have the house of representatives that is. tabling an amendment to the national defense authorization act essentially preventing any u.s. withdrawal from afghanistan unless the us government can prove the negative which russians are not assassinating americans well how do you to prove that you can come prove a negative but that's it the mission accomplished. no american withdrawal you know

mark is also dad to what george was saying here the taliban in killing americans for 18 years ok i mean why would they need the russians to help them out ok when that's what they've been doing i mean the thing that's really quite good benteke about this in my mind this is akin to just mutiny i don't care how you feel about donald trump this is another mutiny against the elected president of the united states by deep state bureaucracy and it's just being egged on by the same usual suspects as george porter now go ahead mark. well look what we have seen develop in the ways in the west's over certain periods of time is a situation in which governments loyal groups think tanks and movements are able to make assertions without corroborates in these assertions we've concrete srong evidence indeed they don't even need

to back up what they are audio and we've even an ounce of evidence and that is because journalistic standards in the west have all but collapsed indeed let me reword that they have utterly collapsed and russia is a very good case study to exemplify the point there is ever since the american backed coup in ukraine into france and through st last has been athletes in a group who are offensive by western range dream media but i think that we have to take into consideration that this november there is an american presidential election so in the long term this allegation that russia has. to care what american who say british soldiers is on the one hand part and parcel

of a longer offensive against russia zemin i sit here in this sure there is no doubt in my mind that the emergence of this completely unfounded allegation is an attempt by the live through elements in the american establishment to ensure or is trying to ensure that donald trump is not reelected this november so yes on the one hand russia is going to be along a. bit same old western mainstream asia. i think this feature a story is more out. there to me and i don't think it really moves the needle one way or another i mean russia gate the primary to be the full feature film as it were was a complete flop and the the other iterations ukraine gave it just doesn't get any traction ok and and this is just one way another way to take a hit the president but george what's really what's more insidious here is it on

one level it's to deny filling a campaign promise ending. and less wars which i have to say all the ones he's inherited have been enhanced ok it was stayed with the record all right but also it is the indication that the bipartisan consensus about foreign wars is intact and it has the support of the democratic party and most importantly the media because the media will not take any moral responsibility for anything anymore they're just the p.r. outfit for the democrat for the d.n.c. i mean so on these 2 different levels they deny drums up until many of the promise and at the same time is to get back to the good old days of empire the way it used to be the way it should be and with the last 3 presidential elections the majority of people voted against that consensus and lost go ahead. yes exactly right there

was an article the other day in the new york times written by. diplomatic correspondent david sanger who has never met a wall that he didn't puff up and propagandize on behalf and the thrust of the odd thing was i didn't trump fighting russia or in libya why isn't he fighting it in ukraine wisely fighting it is syria so the thrust of it is this is the new york times you that trump should be fighting russia in the dispensary let's add 3 more wars to the already ongoing wars that the united states is engaged in and this is what we're getting now with this amendment to leave the national defense authorization act this is a bipartisan effort this is a list cheney you know of you know her her dad you know the great the great cheney with the war on terror list cheney along with the democrats which absolutely

determined to sabotage u.s. withdrawal from have an accent and we had this when trump trump you know several times floats the idea of withdrawing from syria how's of indignation from the democrats immediate accusations that he's just serving the interests of putin. and you know trump eventually is forced to withdraw notice what the democrats and the media aren't indignant about they're not indignant about the sanctions campaign against iran they're not indignant about listen ation a senior iranian leader they're not indignant about the sanctions campaign and the theft of assets in venezuela so any intervention aggression on the part of the trumpet ministration media is old but likely happy for if it's any of these tentative moves to withdraw that causes the absolute aren't syrian accusations of book collaboration. you know how much is it because one of the

origins of this new hoax is that it was. captured prisoners of the taliban making this claim here which of course the afghan government what support and the pentagon would support and and the the empire cheerleaders would support because it's a gravy train over there everybody's didn't pay and the u.s. taxpayer is name for it ok i mean you need the level of. deceit is just hard to comprehend i mean the amount of money that has been poured into that conflict it has not been resolved it never should have been an invasion in the 1st place if they deal with al qaeda it should have been a police operation and that it was not reasoned occupy that country so you know all of the bad actors are in you know are teaming up and all the people that are being demonized is have no idea what they're talking about but the media doesn't tell you that go ahead mark now they should pay so you can only be taken seriously if this

is corroborated with concrete answers and this allegation is to be distant mists because not only is there no shown evidence to support it there is not an ounce of evidence to support it and i will say people in the american mainstream major and british mainstream major so consider a fact a few years ago the venice cia director says publicly that america was considering ways killing the russian soldiers in the middle east syria he also referred to russian soldiers in syria but it seems to her oscar who is a western hating an american major and british major. say so the americans and the british if they want the story about afghanistan are perhaps they should consider this firstly how america actress and. the mujahideen which later on

morphed into how into him killing soviet soldiers soviet soldiers who had been party to. afghanistan to send the rise of islamic fundamentalism in the region i do also there was another story about afghanistan then what lots of consider running aussie rules on how ever since the americans and the british are right in afghanistan in the folks who founded obama here production house some of us are who are now our ira later posts are stories we. constitute a magnificent magnificently full provoking awesome and there is evidence a massive evidence to corroborate. george is no more of a i mean there's so many inconvenient truths about afghanistan and not the most important one that mark has pointed out to us is that it was the united states

under bush in steve that supported the motion having to kill russian soviet soldiers in afghanistan they didn't know it has any sense of irony i suppose in washington i had last night he's not not at all. and it was done for no other reason other than to kill russians. and no no consideration at all for what how dangerous these people were i mean you know judges you knew perfectly well you know who these people or what fanatics they were. and you know this is a great we just believe the russians. you know and that you know it's a funny thing that when you get in the media who really refer to the soviet lately in afghanis well they got out there 9 years united states has been that night let me get. your yet lou a short break and after that short break we'll get your discussion on some real news day with our.

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welcome back across town where all things are considered on peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real. well the markets let me go back to you in london i find it really quite interesting over the last few days we have a new super pac. getting into play with the presidential election. 43 alumni for by and they're all republicans and they're bush era republicans now joining the fray in support of joe biden which of course tells us is that they want to like i said in the 1st part of the program that they want to go back to business as usual empire is usual as i pointed out 3 election cycles in a row b. electorate voted against these wars against interventionism but now they want to find this new bipartisan consensus to go back the way it was it and you know i

want to point out hear it. trump really is only temporary with pain so he hasn't really changed the thrust of american foreign policy around the world and i find that to be. quite disappointing because there are a lot of people that were interested in his campaign precisely because he questioned the cold war orthodoxy go ahead mark well he's a never in my lifetime have i surfed such a personalized attack on a candidacy in america going into an american a presidential election it really is quite astonishing and the same time it really demonstrates that the real powers that be in america are undermining american democracy in fact i was actually used the word they are some of the hurt in american democracy because i don't know trump was listen believe elected in 2016 we cannot however say exactly the same about george

bush jr into france and because there are many many folks in irregularities regarding his fair trade our job was legitimately alexa's and yet in the last 4 years we have seen the liberal elements predominantly but also the conservative elements do that are most to try and bring down the trunk administration now i am no friends awestruck and i believe that whoever is in the white house is not going to make fundamental changes in america be it domestically and also concerns of american foreign policy but i respect the fact that he won that election and was i absolutely loath pizza is the science of those in the american astonishment who are not just secretly

a tendency to undermine him and bring him to. they're doing it in claimed fear of not just the american public but it will be. sad it is an issue that must be addressed the american people that they are all enemies we are seeing america who have no regard for who will watch the american people who they want to say is america even as they will see this city. and this is an intolerable situation if you don't get safe answers one phrase but it was the adults in the room that was the one that was always used york because of the adults they got is all into so much trouble in the birthplace of these adults ok and of course i mean we look i mean it's been chronicled here at trump every 6 months wondering what's going on in afghanistan why are we here and of course they're piling up all of these reasons lying to him. as they deep state has historically done with

presidents i mean barack obama he did. ok just to me and say well ok whatever you guys want to do you know he he abdicated his responsibility in at the meeting his promise as an anti-war candidate when he was elected in the 1st place and you know marcus brings up such a want here is because we're constantly told in broad daylight with megaphones that we will take care of her for i'm told as it's none of your business we're the adults in the room we know what we're doing well the about you particularly since the end of the cold war the you've shown to be know exactly what they don't know what they're doing and they go from one can cast me after another and i'll say it for the 3rd time a list record is that the american people through 3 different presidential cycles said they don't want it anymore this is a breakdown of democracy go ahead george is a complete breakdown of democracy and that's exactly this is the adults in the room so let's see we've got the afghanistan and iraq. bottles that's already

a couple of decades that the united states is still involved there we have the libya there a horrific civil war taking place also as a result of these adults in the wrong the devastation in syria thanks again adults in the room and well what are the adults now say which is we have to stay there forever and ever when you ask these adults what's the rationale why donors well then they have to start thinking well let's see how are we going to help the kurds that's if we're going to help the kurds yes why do we have to. go back to you know now. all we have to prevent assad from consolidating his regime so let's just you know destroy this country just in order to prevent a legitimate government resorting it's all started no matter how much suffering mean flick. and then think it's safe same with libya you know whether the little it

in the the the mess that this is created the flow of refugees into europe and so on we've got to maintain this you know presence there so these adults in the wrong on absolutely devastating and but they get this wonderful media coverage because they're their cows a lot of people who write these stories but going back to this bush crowd this these people who are part of the super pac i mean they're fantasizing that they're going to come back in 4 years time under mickey haley or marco rubio or maybe even jeb bush will be resuscitated they are delusional it isn't going to happen i mean the democrats are playing for keeps they do win this election with biden this is the end they are going to change their electorate 1st order of business will be comprehensive immigration reform and that's going to dramatically change the electress or 203040 1000000 or one who knows how many illegals there are in. united

states will be added to the electoral roll and then republicans can say goodbye to texas florida to arizona and there is no way are publicans going to come back in a generation to generation so it's a fantasy world that somehow republicans will be back in 2024 and many marcus let me read you their mission statements quite interesting here tonight in mobilize a community of historical historically republican voters who are dismayed and disappointed by the damage done by our nation done to our nation but these are these are the people that have done damage to the nation many i don't you know we on this program the 3 of us we often kind of dissect the drums or impose the enough for people that are really into it like ourselves i mean stepping back quite broadly trying to send very little impact on the thrust of american foreign policy he's been able to do some things on the margin and not actually very well i mean i

find it really quite astounding is that even tinkering on the margins is considered you know you have to be driven out of the church because you know. you somehow have short circuited the purpose and drive in the economics and business model behind him. sane and she just resume that ranges that's looking at reagan to say this is bio and teaching history really is absolutely laughable but what it demonstrates is suffering and i said earlier on in this program that people are able to make the matter of the last hour shifts of statements the most ridiculous statements the most preposterous all segments and yet they do not cause me just sad to have collapse how did it in for example america

there is going to be no. scrutiny of their saying they know journalists are not going to stand up in a press conference and ask them penetrating questions so that really is are very very serious serious assessed which has developed not just in america it's an equally true in britain and it also reinforces that it doesn't really matter who's in the white house and indeed the bidens all this was just from people what we had in america what we have in britain is a permanent unseen governments and they are the ones who determine the fundamentals in america and britain i mean it comes so aaron foreign policy and british policy and this is absolutely fanciful statements all adults in who well let's examine this mr builtin said because he's overseeing one of the adults in the room this is

a man who says he sat in the oval office and prayed to god he asked god did cause shy attacks. guess automatic yes if that's hack. we have jewish bush jr who lessee absolutely frank you know where my being condescending the man was and remains say leisure it's and yet these are family of the adults in the room well he just demonstrates paisa why the well is in softer perilous conditions a day when you had asked such a man in the white house. and it was that george just imagine. i'm sorry by presidency i mean i'm sure biden will be treated with kid gloves like he is now as a candidate the way barack obama what's ok never ask him a hard question and never but net you never been a challenge authority all right i mean i have no problem with people challenging

donald trumps of already i just wish they. we didn't know they act based worlds ok instead of their fantasy world that they lived in and it's only getting worse and i think one of the things that one of the lasting damage that we will see through all of this is that the media has just discredited itself so much is that and i think that's one of the reasons particularly in the united states why there is so much anger and rage because nobody knows what to believe anymore it's just one big propaganda show from beginning to end and i think most people they look at their everyday lives and they're trying to understand why that what why these things happening to me because you know they see these people you know you know you know you social distancing you know you get away you know stay home you know and then you're all protest will go right out i mean that is so glaring for people is that you know what is it which one is it and are you telling the truth and you're probably not telling the truth because you have your own agenda and it has nothing to do with the people who had george bush yes that's it the media have an agenda

and what media a supposed to be doing which is to create and forms public to provide the public with information about what government is doing and who what how what governors is about it said they probably get and this for one side of the debate and so whatever is the democratic party talking point that they the media are spreading it and suddenly what is the media story like what is trying to do about why isn't drug facing out the bullshit and you know what is the story that doesn't move our viewers think that they're getting a semblance of truth and logic on this program that's all the time we have many thanks my guest in london budapest and takes your viewers are watching us in our member.

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welcoming our viewers from around the world live from central london this is our to u.k. . the metropolitan police are accused of unfairly using stop and search powers on young black men in london one of the investigations underway after police detained a black man for drug possession and smashed his car window minutes after given a t.v. interview about institutional racism. to talkback outlets are removed from their car and accuse the police of racial profiling and acting violently we hear from a former police superintendent. such claims delays to cancer diagnosis and

treatment could lead to thousands of extra deaths in the u.k. within a year due to coronavirus i'll be joined by medical experts. the lady quietly into the grenfell tower fire resumes but social distancing means bereaved families and civil neighbors wouldn't be able to attend. and the u.k. announces its own sanctions regime independent of the un or e.u. for the 1st time as part of its post in bricks in foreign policy. police have been accused of disproportionately using stop and search powers on young black men in the london bar of camden since the start of the corona virus pandemic since march the number of people being stopped by police a surge by 70 percent police also carried out just under 4000 searches all of these

only 4 resulted in a rest well over the past year nearly 40 percent of searches were carried out on black people to spines just under 10 percent of the population being from that demographic in camden when it comes as the u.k.'s police watchdog are investigating a stop and search case where police smashed the car window of a man who was wrongfully accused of drug possession ryan kellogg who was actually driving home after giving a t.v. interview about his experiences with stop and search as well as institutional racism and he filmed what followed. but they cannot go holy word. on the last night. after coming from a channel 4 into the specifically talking about getting stopped by the police live for it to happen oblate on an interview when i start just to check my phone or think they should just leave held up the traffic just to stop me.

and implied i was putting things in my waistband just as i saw them clearly there wasn't any really there there was there was no drugs this never ever been drugs in my life never had distributed at stated any illegal just. the video footage is clear from under windows smashed my hands up i did not resist any claim and yes something. does go through my head a lot of. evil as the police feared was now. quite traumatic to vegas but i believe it was. whatever responsibly spokes person claimed had been detained after failing to comply with directions from office says a commander of the police force in question asked the public to report any similar cases this incident comes a year since police in england and wales were given powers to randomly search people in order to fight knife crime or critics have always said the policy creates more opportunities for racial profiling according to anti surge activists black

people are 9 times more likely to be stopped compared to white people they also claim the changes made it more difficult to hold officers accountable believes the criticism is justified. but actually my no 2 the more likely to be targeted by police forces in the case. then anyone a serf native heritage something of experience personally i've experienced it with the way that they speak to me sometimes and i know a lot of people give me similar stories that resonate with it is a reason why everyone is complaining about this because you got to see that not everyone carries a knife not everyone carries any sort of weapon and the reason it got played about this is more so the manager treated well but in the. yeah the criticism not. being targeted for black and minorities very much just that. for me while a top british athlete claims the metropolitan police racially profiled her and her

partner after they were stopped and removed from their car in london police say the vehicle had been on the wrong side of the road and the driver sped off when asked to stop good book war. crimes not. god we went to. his friend to bianca williams and portuguese athlete ricardo dos santos were in the car with their 3 month old son when the incident occurred their coach and epic champion hampered christie posted the footage on twitter and accuse the police of institutional racism the met police say they looked into the footage and don't believe the officers behaved inappropriately. or former superintendent in london's metropolitan police lee roy logan told me the police have been disproportionately targeting black people for years. i'm aware that there was some form of pursuit which could of raise the tension and risk in the offices eyes which lead to quite heavy handed. impact with or

encounter rather with the occupants of the car even though there was a baby in that car so you know it is something that's not. seemed to be appropriate at the time but of course you've got to be aware of what list levels the officers were considering looking at the figures from the barack on of those as we were hearing earlier it seems that black people are disproportionately targeted by the police well yeah i mean that's been the case for years since i gave evidence that the macpherson inquiry in 1908 you know stopped and searched a major issue the real are really is the bar command of camden is a secret for so among large groups so you know i know him personally and almost certainly he would want to be dealing with that directly but you know you can't do

it you can't be everywhere a lot of it is down to the supervision and leadership on the ground you know with the sergeants and inspectors holding their offices to account do you think stop and search is an effective method in reducing crime. summon surge is no effective tool but is a blunt tool nonetheless but the sharpened up with community intelligence and the more trust and confidence police have the more intelligence intelligence they will gain from the community so that's the thing you know treat him people respect the big deal important to foster good relations and trust so you get more information from the community. the u.k. could face thousands of excess deaths within a year to 2 delays in cancer diagnoses and treatment because of coronavirus new research suggests 35000 lives could be lost by this time next year as a result of urgent referrals routine screenings and treatments being delayed by the

pandemic the number is almost twice as high as previously suggested by research as an h.s.a. england said the service had to strike a balance between the virus outbreak and cancer treatments what we were concerned to do when the virus was increasing very rapidly in the population was to make sure that we could get the right balance between the risk of catching the virus and the risk of having people's cancer get worse and in particular the risks and benefits of things like chemotherapy where if chemotherapy isn't absolutely critical that it might be dangerous in terms of increasing your risk of coronavirus this wasn't a kind of attempts to police who should have treatment and who shouldn't it was more an attempt to try and help people think very clearly. of a more on this report and are joined by consulted in genetic pathology that started in m. frailing dr fighting thank you for joining us these are unprecedented times aren't they hospitals have been busy dealing with the global pandemic absolutely it's a question of priorities well how long would it take for cancer services to return

to normal levels and will they ever return to what we thought of as normal. that's very difficult to answer because there's so many different sorts of cancer. it's a question of prioritizing getting people into the system 1st of all carrying out diagnostic tests and then giving them treatment that they need if they are diagnosed what does me at h s have enough resources to treat cancer and coronavirus patients if the virus were to linger for a long time well it all depends on the restrictions within the clinical area in terms of how many people you can see whether you can do endoscopy is that kind of thing. it's a question for local services to work out for themselves and also i said it's a regional variations as well well as ever and that's that's a factor of less of a function of. how the n.h.s. is distributed across the u.k. . it you can have one size fits all well some people as we've heard are scared of

catching the virus in hospital and this could lead to even more untied those patients couldn't it well that is a natural fear. i would judge it now that your risk of dying sooner than you would have done from cancer is greater than the risk of catching the virus if you attend hospital and as a doctor what advice would you give to people here to have been wise about about that they might have cancer i would really urge them to see their g.p. as soon as possible and get referred on because everybody is is planning on seeing patients who have been referred with a possible diagnosis of cancer and we all want to see them diagnose other people because that about overstretching the n.h.s. as well. well the n.h.s. is always kind of by definition overstretched but it's a question of what it's overstretched with and as the pandemic and dealing with that is now starting to subside then everybody wants to get back to kind of doing

what their day job was before it. and it has also reassuring patients as well could you reassure faces that effectively the n.h.s. is able to cope. it will cope with the demand as it is put helmet it's not a question of putting an unfair stress on the n.h.s. if you turn up. everybody wants to see their patients and they really really don't want to see people who delayed having a diagnosis because they've put it off into some of that's the sort of thing a little says or do i need to sum up in just a few words what would you say to people then i would urge them to seek the advice of a doctor if they think they've got symptoms that might represent cancer and you can look at what is up on the way to it and pricing thank you very much indeed. or that says u.k. health care unions have sent a letter to the government asking for an early pay rise for health workers as the country marks the 72nd birthday of the national health service the 14 unions have

written to the prime minister and the chancellor asking them to appreciate the effort made by n.h.s. staff during the pandemic the letter says the government should introduce a pay rise before the end of the year to make stuff feel valued it also says such a move would help boost the economy as health workers would have extra money to spend in the shops a government spokesperson said that more than a $1000000.00 workers continue to benefit from the agenda for change pay dale we are incredibly proud of all our health and cast staff and recognise their extraordinary commitment working day and night putting our care and safety at the center of everything they do more than 1000000 n.h.s. workers continue to benefit from the 3 year agenda for change pay deal under which the starting pay for a newly qualified nurse has increased by over 12 percent since 2017 to 2018 the independent n.h.s. pay review body makes recommendations to government on pay increases and we will

consider their advice when we receive it or community dr anna hemming told me the government needs to deliver pay rises to encourage students to remain in the sector . and i think the salary does pay quite a an impact certainly in bringing people into professions we've all got to make sure that we can make ends meet and certainly when i became a job dr over 20 years ago the salary was quite different and i remember looking at how my salary went down by about 25 cents is a duals with doctors it changed and certainly the european time directive that came in in 2004 had a massive impact on doctors salaries now i'm sure the same has happened to other health care professionals as well and the big impact there is that i've watched other professions exceed and accelerates in their in their salaries and what they

can actually achieve in buying a home for example and as a london doctor that actually makes a really big impact so i do think for professionals and 100 encourage bright young students into university places to study medicine to study nursing that knowing that they will be able to afford a quality of life that is in balance with the other professions that they're thinking about may be law or finance running businesses is actually quite important . after months of delays the inquiry has resumed into the grenfell tower fire which killed $72.00 people in 2017 the social distancing rules mean that brave families and survivors will be able to attend a lot here keisha to everest and he joins me now with more harder shabda so brave families they can't attend it's causing considerable distress isn't it. yes absolutely and it's a long time coming for the public inquiry into the ground for tower 2 average 0

this time around it is the talent of the builders of the block refurbishments to face the full force of scrutiny but survivors and members of the briefs. community are increasingly frustrated not just because of the length of the inquiry in general nor the delays but now there's an additional problem of the 19 pandemic meaning another hurdle another stumbling block on the course to justice which is now social distancing it means that survivors are members of the community cannot physically attend any of these hearings the doors are only open to lawyers witnesses and those cross-examining the witnesses as well everybody else will have to simply stream the hearing online but it does come as many did prefer to actually wait for social distancing to be completely lifted so that people could be physically present to see those to be held accountable having said that the majority of a survey of $600.00 participants said they actually just want the procedure to get up and running as soon as possible so now face 2 will begin of course phase one

looked into the night of the blaze now face to look into why it happened in the 1st place specifically looking at the companies behind of refurbishments between the years of 2040 and 2016 of course including the clogging installation so 1st stop for the cross examination is one of the companies that's called the fire engine have been accused of playing down this idea of noncompliance when it comes to the cutting system next week they'll be looking at right and that's the contract to actually chose the closing material in the 1st place by the way phase one actually concluded and determined that the cladding was the principal reason for the spread of the fire or not fateful evening of june the 14th and also said that it did not comply with building regulations there is no another further blow to this phase 2 and it came earlier this year in february when the attorney general actually concluded that it was going to grant immunity to these companies so what that means is that any evidence that they actually provided during this phase 2 cannot be used

against them in any form of criminal charges having said that it doesn't mean that separate prosecutions can happen on the side having said that many people would argue it simply means that companies may. being left off the hook as a result of that immunity being granted all the pros of this phase to go include the fact that it will only be sitting for 4 days a week and will actually take a break in august that means any conclusion of phase 2 would only happen at the end of next year meaning any charges would only happen in 2022 which at that point is 5 years on since that fateful night of june the 14th of 2017 so today if the survivors out of members of the bereaved community they really do feel that justice is still a long long way off. that doesn't shock you thank you very much indeed. still to come this hour. the u.k. government reportedly plans to end its use upon way 5 g. technology just months after a deal was struck and the u.k. issues its 1st instructions regime independent from international bodies as it

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welcome back the u.k. has imposed sanctions independently from the u.n. or e.u. for the 1st time as part of its host brics it regime foreign secretary dominic rob said the blacklist targets the worst human rights violator some say it may have a negative impact on relations among some of the lies with questionable records well this i'm now joined by case. hello there isa so what's all this about. well this is essentially the 1st test by the u.k. the establishment of a sanctions regime post breaks that up until now of course the u.k. being part of the e.u. if any is to should all individuals were subject to sanctions that would take place through e.u. institutions but now the government trying to lay out their own framework it's to come in with immediate effect and the government says it will impact people who are allegedly involved in the persecution of people who are of the religious minority

all people are involved in corruption and also scope for people who target search analysts and other individuals now the government say that these measures these types of sanctions won't just impact state actors and will be directed in the way not to impact the general population but individuals not just an old on a government let's level and also non-state groups and organized crime. allows to target perpetrators without punishing the wider people of a country that may be affected the regulations will enable us to impose travel bans and asset freezes against those involved in serious human rights violations being cleared 1st the right to life record by assassination and extrajudicial killing 2nd the right not to be subjected to torture a cruel inhumane or degrading treatment or punishment and 3rd the right to be free from slavery servitude or forced or compulsory labor. the powers enable us to

target a wider network of perpetrators including those who facilitate incite promote or support any of these crowds and this extends beyond state officials to non-state actors as well so if you're a quick to crack or an organized criminal you will not be able to launder your blood money in this country. now this list by the government includes individuals from north korea those involved in allegedly oppressing the raping a minority in miami more but also interesting to the people from saudi arabia of course saudi arabia being oppressed out of united kingdom a partner in the war in yemen one of the biggest purchases of weapons to the tune of billions of pounds every year from british pounds many factories and the inclusion on that list involve includes people who are allegedly involved in the killing of the journalist jamal khashoggi now of course in saudi arabia itself 5 people have been sentenced to death for that crime which took place in turkey at

the consulate there that 20 people on trial in sakhi itself but this list that the you can't compile isn't understood to include the saudi crown prince mohammed bin cell none who many critics have said is the one responsible for giving the order for the killing of mr shocked she in there if it is within the home office within the foreign office that these types of measures these acts of sanctions could potentially harm ties with a country that has been for many decades a close ally of the united kingdom now that there are also a number of russian individuals who are linked to the death allegedly of russian oil assegai magnitsky anonymous magnitsky was somebody who was placed in jail in russia after being found guilty of a number of tax crimes and he was also the lawyer for bill browder who was sentenced in absentia for a tax fraud alleged to be around $80000000.00 now 'd magnitsky

died in pretrial custody just over 10 years ago and the u.s. themselves released a similar type of legislation targeting russian individuals called the magnitsky act and it's thought that this u.k. legislation will be based on that type of legal instrument now on that list the ones in. not included include people from china of course there have been tensions between the u.k. and china over the question of one called it also interestingly there are no american individuals no one from the u.s. government or other situations named on this but accusations that those in the u.s. security forces have been involved suppressing anti racism protests the israeli thank you very much indeed. now prime minister barak johnson is reportedly drawing up plans to end the use of highway technology in the u.k. 5 g. network it comes just months after striking a deal with the chinese technology giant well the u.k.

government cyber intelligence agency is reportedly set to present a report to the prime minister this week it says there are 2 current claims the risks posed by the tech giant won't be possible to manage in light of u.s. sanctions or these were announced in may and ban huawei and its suppliers from using american technology and software the u.k. government's communications headquarters has reportedly said the impact on the firm would be severe u.k. officials are allegedly already looking into ways to phase out the use of our way equipment johnson says the government will have to balance consumer needs against security ones. i'm very very determined to get broadband into every part of this country via reaching out through across the whole u.k. and we're convinced that we can do that and i'm also determined that the u.k. should not be in any way vulnerable to our high risk state vendors so have to think carefully about how we handle that we have to come up with the right technological solutions but also have to make sure we continue to deliver the broadband you kone

. well chinese officials have responded by warning that britain will have to bear the consequences if it treats china as a hostile country on monday the chinese ambassador to britain said that a ban and while away would damage china's trust in the u.k. ministers are set to deliver an update on our way by the end of july or privacy activist and technology expert bill mew thinks a potential highway ban is a political not a technological issue that the in case of a very difficult position position stuck between the 2 in terms of what has changed in the last few months then michelle says assessment was based on a very detailed and induct assessment of the hallway technology where they found no back door a toll but they did find a few engineering flaws in the chinese of promise to invest something like 2000000000 in drug to fix their software engineering to improve this but all

technology companies have flaws and forever patching their systems the only real change that we have is the escalation of the american sanctions which means that the us chips are now no longer available to the chinese and therefore if the chinese source the chips elsewhere from a lesser known supplier we're going to be less confident in the security of those chips it's not nothing that chua way of done or done intentionally they've been forced into a position by the u.s. sanctions which is put them in the it a position where we called actually be quite as assured that their security well since the government struck this highway deal 5 g. equipment and technology has been installed in how economical can it be by removing it all now. i think this is potentially a disastrous decision it since it cost companies like vodafone an enormous amount of money to strip out the equipment they've already got but you need to remember the what have been operating in the u.k. for something like 20 years there is an enormous amount of hallway equipment

already in use even if you don't think of the latest generation for jet quint and therefore stripping all of that would be a massive setback domes of. aim to be a leader in vijay but also there be a massive cost. about one years into say the half an hour. you cannot be both with yet you like. time after time called parisian to repeat the same mantra sustainability it's very

important to accelerate the transition to sustainable transport sustainability spain implemented a more equitable and sustainable well. they claim that production is completely hamas does need to. leave it to congress not to sometimes it does not oppose on companies want us to feel good about products while the damage is being done far away and this is something i'll just as deep into any minute i need much. as the sun moves and you missed me didn't dream and i'm stumped seemed to be based on that one disc that looks good it's going in. 54 jets and more than 1300 military personnel are headed to feel certain air force base in alaska where is that to say come on i'll show you what's the reason

for any type of enhanced u.s. military presence in this area rush up. what is it suddenly about the south china sea that makes it so that it 11000000000 barrels of oil. take a look at this map who really owns what. kind of says no it belongs to us india says no we claim that that belongs to us both of these countries have nuclear weapons capabilities there is reason for concern so that's why we're going to drill down on this story for you today right here on the news or direction as where you know as we always like to say we do believe by golly it's time to do news again. these researches will cover almost 3000 kilometers in trans polar. and they'll stay

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