and really became his drug dealer soon lose to blame patients doctors manufacturers for the government. i know team no crowd. no shots no. actually there's going to be. going to drag. this to a. point should your thirst for action. not action recounts are we going underground is the united states congress reconvenes

to consider its latest coronavirus relief package in a country that has so far suffered a 5th of the world's coded $1000.00 deaths despite only having 4.25 percent of the world's population coming up on the show is the under reporting of the revelation the black and brown people make up 2 thirds of coronavirus deaths in the usa an issue of media representation we are iconic puerto rican character actor because of a famous for his groundbreaking work with directors like brian de palma even thought about the ridley scott and what is the true extent of the under representation of black and brown people at the u.s. presidential ballot box we investigate with voter disenfranchisement joy and greg last summer coming up in today's going underground but 1st around the world the coronavirus pandemic and black lives matter protests in the name of the police killing of george floyd have arguably laid bare the true extent of systemic inequality on the racial capitalism one of the areas it's revealed it's. elfin is

the disproportionate coronavirus deaths of black in latin x people 2 thirds of all covert deaths in the united states so will this pandemic within a pandemic be tackled within the next coronavirus relief package being discussed today in congress or will it be swept under the rug joining me now from vermont his iconic puerto rican character actor luis guzman thank you for coming on amazing that have a legendary screen presence we're going underground today during the month so you must have been keeping up to date with the failure of bernie sanders to win his primaries across the democratic nominations for the november elections where i do believe that our. democratic national party. you know was a shame because it was pretty much the start rather they ganged up on but in fairness to by. bunnytown is accepted the result and said you know joe biden is going to be the candidate and joe biden is doing so well in the

opinion polls well. you know i think i think you know we you have no choice you have no choice but to fall in line just like everybody else will angela davis the former black panther said she was backing biden on this program created a bit of control of a sea. back to coronavirus what is the scale of the disproportionate kovan impact on people of color joining this crisis where so many people are dying in your country we have a people need to educate ourselves you know especially when it comes to black and brown you know black and latino stuff like that because. food and the byproduct of food like like food. eating fried food and stuff like that we need to educate ourselves about how to eat better because our body our our our vessels that we don't take care that vessel and

a virus like corona will take advantage of people who are not healthy you know and then you need system is compromised then it's a no win situation i watched i watched a documentary 10 months ago called the game changer and i kind of blew me away and i stopped eating meat back in fridge you know and i've lost 25 pounds i feel healthier if you could buy a mac and cheese. to make mac and cheese which is not healthy for you you can buy brown rice so you could buy a few potatoes when the coronavirus 1st hit and i went to the supermarket it was very telling to me all the spaghetti that was gone on the mac achieve that would go on when you went to the food investable section that was that was. past the bottom line is that plus dimension to education what have you made of the black lives

matter protests after the murder of george floyd. listen i understand that and is that where it comes from. you know. it was it was a tipping point and people went out there and they protested and i think they continue to continue to do that but i also think with that we need to take a deeper look within our own communities in the united states the united states of the hub for sex trafficking human trafficking you know when when when the with the outcry over that stuff and i will say this not all cops are back cops you know i have friends i have family members who work in law enforcement or decent people or listen any kind of perfection you have bad people you have back back there you have bad axes. you have you know back

politicians and stuff like that and and that's not to say that everybody is a bad person and in my view in my opinion it really starts at the back the said well you got to you have a police chief you have police commissioner it's up to those people to tell their people said this man we're here to serve a community you know and this is how we need to go about it and they don't do that and you have a george floyd situation you have agree on a talent situation you know it's like i say it's going to cause chaos and it has caused chaos well you know we've covered when coming communities of color being affected by f.b.i. programs cointelpro as to why disproportionately violence occurs in these communities where drugs were imported into those areas do you think that hollywood depictions have have a skewed our understanding off people of color in the united states.

the depictions i would say that some have some have not i mean look you know what film is a medium to be able to teach people about history. you know. i also i also believe. that. how the hell can we go to mars and talk about mining the moon when we can't even eradicate. heroin use in the united states it doesn't make sense to me doesn't like it like the priorities are wrong apparently the definitely wrong you know and method on methadone is just a way of really keeping people down you know methadone messes up people's body there is no war on drugs there is not because if there was

a war on drugs we would not be having the opiate crisis that we still have today in america winning the war was winning the war on drugs you know pharmaceuticals people are over those in every day we are that anyone watching related drug issues who can sell their medical practitioners and their social workers or whoever they're working. through their problems with them do you think because you were a social worker you understand and brings in your acting parts which are often in the underworld some extra gravitas you're not just to get locked into. this and when i when i was working at so short a which for me was one of the best jobs ever had because i was helping people to help themselves i was helping people to not become 3rd 4th generation welfare row clients to the system you know but go out and get a career and learn

a skill and take charge of your life i mean that was my approach i was. and out of the front my worker an essential worker back in the eighty's you know. as a social worker and i just saw how the system worked this immense i was getting kids young people between 17 and 21 years old that graduated from high school and i had to minister from reading because i had to see war math and want to know what math and reading that was i was getting kids for this great mass of reading levels and this is what the system was graduating and it was like that was so wrong you know specific specifically on history you commented that and i don't know what you think so many years on after doing that in the eighty's so many decades you were among the 95 percent puerto rican school and there was about

a paragraph about puerto rico in a 400 page history book that still have. i but i but that's another thing you know the cement they don't they don't talk about the trail of tears you know that the native americans in this country went through you know they don't talk about you know the genocide that happened during the mexican american war where exodus 18000 mexicans one you know they don't talk about very a little and stuff like that as a teenager it was up to me to find out what the in puerto rico was about it was about me finding out that they were native american i mean native i know indians in the caribbean and that's part of my heritage but i have to find my own let's just turn to something slightly like the the statues are being taken down in the united states that's being taken down here that was one taken down which was

a defiant. criticism of having statues of slave. here in britain. you probably saw in the series community where or there's a statue of you in a community college so i think you think statues of you should replace all the statues of racists in the united states absolutely absolutely because this and i believe in diversity i believe that number one people should get educated it were that oh yeah just so you know people in america should read things see this this is the u.s. constitution constitutions certain things are not be hat you know i'm not saying everybody should become a scholar but i think everybody should be at least knowledgeable and inspires all those statues that are being taken down i never understood why we celebrate columbus day in the united states when columbus never stepped foot in north america

he basically went and to central central america in the caribbean and he met that are that out with stephan isn't and a whole bunch and gonna read him 5 grand and killed the beautiful people you know. i think you know people need to understand it's 3 and no history you know and and why do we celebrate that why do we find the great someone who came in and destroyed a whole culture people people don't understand that in this country. the republican party the republican party was started by black people back in the day back in the day. people. that when there was there was the whole civil rights movement and stuff like that that. they had some kind of vote for some kind of civil rights law

a bunch of democrats voted against that you know we need to understand. the nature of politics does have to change has to change to reflect the diversity that is in america. because it's not black or white but it's made to be black the way i don't expect government to take can stuff you know government is more event should be and it and that ministry or you know and it's not about presidential politics it's about local politics and it's about making sure that the people put in place of the people that reflect the communities that they come from and that they represent and that they have not bought. lobbyists and my pharmaceuticals and stuff like that because that's that's the problem here money rules you know. i watched the video the other day and it was it was

a community school board meeting in buffalo new york. and what they were talking about was they were talking about the police and the police officers that work in those communities. and there was same here we are our tax money to pay a law enforcement department. of officers and none of them live in our community they come and work in our community it take up tax dollars but they spend their money in their own communities that have way better schools way better teachers way better facilities for these kids even our communities we don't we don't we don't have the access to better facilities this is a real in equity that goes on and it's a real it's not

a balance because well thank you thank you brother and we have may be safe and. so we can all get. after the break is there any point in taking part in the united states democracy corps trouble already stolen 2020 we ask york times best selling author greg i'm asked if the best democracy money can buy is already sold out only the more coming up in part 2 of going on the ground.

you cannot be both with the yeah you like. welcome back the 2020 u.s. presidential election is fewer than 4 months away at the end of a year that's been eclipsed by a pandemic that has taken more lives in the united states than any other country in the world a country that has also found itself at the center of weeks of locked lives massive protests arguably the largest movement in u.s. history but if you think this will change anything of the ballot box voter disenfranchisement joy in a new york times bestselling or the greg says you should think again because the next president has already been chosen without a single vote being cost he joins me now via skype from l.a. to talk about his new book out trump stole 2020 greg thanks so much for coming back on i want to get on to the main issues but you know you talk about the book being

about corporate power ultimately and our al gore said we hate that son of a about you when you expose the fact that he actually should have been president not george w. bush but there's a there's an oblique reference in this book to why you knew a direct mail expert who helped you understand why trump will win in 2020 and you say something about you used him to show a corrupt the u.k. government was because you were able to meet the alleged iraq war criminal themselves tony blair just tell me about that well back in 1998 the real expert mark's wieland consultant help me set up a front for the guardian newspapers and we went undercover and basically offered to buy the the the blair government we were supposedly working for a company that very few people ever heard of called enron we had a massive we're right that was set up and they helped me set up this whole scheme we had offices in the tower hotel etc and we were able to get on you know on

microphone hidden mikes and camera tony blair's cabinet means basically willing to sell policy legislate. when you name it for 5 grand a month so every you know it's not just i'd like to say i'm sorry to tell you in britain that i know you think you have a lot of fun talking about the corruption of u.s. government but it's there to ok but at least british voters don't move around as much as a americans so you use some of this direct mail data because direct mail is a best way to analyze people's addresses and where people live and you came out with a figure what 17000000 americans moved in the run up to the 2016 election in the usa people still moving you doubt that. yeah as as once as a democratic supreme court justice said if all these people moving our highway should

be completely shut down moving trucks where the moving trucks everyone's moving now why is this important because a new gimmick used by the republic in. voting official and understand in america we have something different very different the rest are most the rest are all we have part party policy in partisan politicians who actually are in charge of whether you get to vote so they require removing they removed and i kid you not as has happened in china and russia well in china and russia but it's possible to happen in in a self described democracy we've removed 16700000 voters that by the way that figure is from the united states government's own figures which keep track of not only our voters but the people we blocked from voting because we block millions of voters this is something not known in the rest of the world so we said so these republican official said 17000000 people have hit the road in the last 2 years americans move

a lot but not that much millions and millions of people the rickshaws with suitcases why is this important well obviously if you moved in for if you moved from mill say the city of milwaukee you can vote in milwaukee you left there in real eagle 2 to go there so i talked to some of these voters who supposedly moved to quanah taylor an african-american woman and that's important they said she moved out of milwaukee so she doesn't want to vote milwaukee flew to milwaukee i met with the quantity or said if you moved out of milwaukee she says. i'm the county supervisor of milwaukee what do you mean i moved from milwaukee but she is guilty of voting while black in an america that's almost become a crime i kid you not we had on the purge lists one in 7 african-americans are on the hit lists to have their votes removed in georgia alone which is an important state in this election because it has 2 senators we could have the control us senate we have the white house hinge ing on georgia which is by the way a minority

a white minority state white people in minority in georgia so how do the republicans win if there are my if the white people are a minority the answer is you remove the nonwhite people they removed a 3rd of a 1000000 people for supposedly moving including christine jordan i was at the atlanta polling station you'll see in the book how trent told 2020 get a picture. i think you had a voting station when they threw her out and said you can't vote here you no longer registered she's been voting at that same place for 50 years 50 years since her cousin martin luther king jr was assassinated this is her cut this is king's cousin who was thrown off the voter rolls of georgia with a 3rd of an a 1000000 other people mostly guess what black people and young people who are also democratic voters a 3rd of a 1000000 in a single american state we've got millions across the nation 150000 in the swing state of wisconsin now understand we have this strange electoral college system in

america it's not it's not who gets the most votes well there's some similarity in terms of a parliamentary system it's it's how many people get the win certain states the number one state that will determine our presidency is wisconsin trump supposedly won that state by 22000 votes and as you'll see in my book they're removing 150000 voters for moving and our experts as you mentioned the direct mail experts the people at amazon e-bay american spreads helped us out they went through the list isn't a these people haven't moved you know get all the party officials say they act probably the governors say they act properly wisconsin utah jim crow crow rule a virus and horrific implications obviously for where the black lives matter and you use the phrase voting while black but because joe biden is running i in the polls right now and i got to ask you how is trump already one in 2020

and why is trump against postal ballots if postal ballot reading arguably is what's going to put him in the white house in november a couple things. one hillary clinton was ahead of trump in the polls which means nothing at this time in 2016 so you've got the same margin so hillary was crushing agent orange our commander in chief who's president because they didn't count on the democrats the most are the white democrats just don't think about the steel and they don't do anything about steel they do very little it's you know there's only civil rights voting rights groups black african american or his asian that actually fight for their vote but it's not the democratic party so hillary was ahead just like biden said it again who's president now you get the mail in voting this is very important i have in how trump stole 2020 and again it's past tense your stolen but americans can take action and steal it but how he stole

it understand that 1000000 votes about are you ready for this according to mit one of our major our top technical university 22 percent of all ballots that are mailed in mail in ballots never get counted one in 5 ballots now if in britain through a one in 5 ballots there be riots i assume and hope you never know or there were riots over breakfast arguably i mean back you know but but one in 5 ballots are lost and it's usually voters of color lose those back. and i also you talk i mean you talk disapprovingly of the supreme court if it ends up that as it has done before you call them a degenerate out of control republican body playhouse you don't think you can rely on the supreme court to sort these things out our supreme court is a highly highly political organization these are not like you have law lords in england you know like you know people with credentials who choose their next

generation of leaders here we have an entirely crazy political process so we have these ultra political justices on our supreme court and this is been an unbelievable problem so for example this issue of have people old for example 2 weeks ago the supreme court said that the state of alabama which is a very important state that could determine the control the u.s. senate the state of alabama can require people mailing in their ballots to have a legal notarization of the ballot you can imagine how difficult and expensive that is especially during a lockdown it's charging people a lot of money to mail in their ballots so they don't have to stand in line and die from a virus we've got explosion a virus in alabama you need a notary public and the supreme court and so a federal judge here said oh my god that's terrible people are going to die if they have to do that so he said no you don't need that no or is a should other states don't require it but it went to the supreme court and you had

these ultra right judges and again they're politicians don't think of them as judges because they're wearing black robes these are politicians and of the republicans have 5 out of 9 votes and so 5 republicans voted to say that alabama could require you to go through this whole process to cast your ballot it's up well i mean there's irony as i said trump against postal ballots but there's so many different facets of the book you talk about i direct marketing actually being used to actively encourage democrats not to vote it's as if a dry. and i do that just finally i mean you talk about also about how it is liberals that in they are enablers of this crushing of democracy you talk about the pew trust you see the liberals are saying it's not these techniques it's facebook it's wiki leaks it's twitter over here they're talking about that and what do you how do you react to that that it's actually facebook ads that and julian assange

currently being tortured here in london according to the u.n. and not the issues that you show to that how donald trump is going to win in 2020. walk america in how trump still 2020 i have a chapter called the russians russian to judgment and you know americans like to think we can do it ourselves we didn't use tactics of stopping black people and asian americans in the spandex and voting no we didn't do races tricks to get drunk elected it had to beat them russians it wasn't the russians or some kid in moscow messing with the machines we did it to ourselves through really ugly racist tactics but they're very sophisticated it's not the old system of guys in white robes scaring you know black people out of voting by you know by literally lynching them which is what we used to do in the u.s. we used to literally hang black people try to vote not getting and that's our history and now it's changed from jim crow to what i call dr james crow database analyst who use very sophisticated means like saying that 92 year old this is

jordan had moved ursa quanah taylor removed or someone was a felon when they weren't we use these tricks to remove black voters it and the russians didn't do that the russians didn't tell hillary clinton don't campaign in wisconsin because you're going to lose the presidency because they're stealing the vote there so you know i would love to say some other country did this to us it didn't happen that way and unless americans wake up to the fact that we have poisoned our own elections with racially biased we're never going to save our democracy and that's what i'm concerned that's why i wrote how term stall 2020 because there are things americans can do to change the system to protect their vote and believe me there are a lot of people who are waking up to this finally just as they're waking up to other forms of racism in america which we like to keep hidden but unless we confront it we're going to keep having elected presidents greg. jeffrey have you on

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