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according to even fox news trunk is lagging in the polls is this because joe biden is such a brilliant candidate or because of the hardening consensus the pen demick has been badly handled by the president still another theory trump ran as a populist in 2016 as he governed as one. that is gus this and more in denver we're joined by ted harvey he is the chairman of the committee to defend the president and a founding member of the stop hillary pac and in monterey we cross the spencer originally he is a former communications and buys or to obama for america 20082012 as well as a managing partner of communication consulting firm boots rhodes group or at rostock rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i was appreciate it ok let's go to denver 1st ted you know i'm an avid watcher of

programs like tucker carlson on box news and and so when i see a public opinion polls about donald trump on fox i tend to take take take them very seriously and now we all know that the 2016 polls were off and off enough for the election do come out differently than expected so i really don't want to hear that the polls are off let's talk about what the polls really mean why is the president lagging in the polls. well i honestly to your original point i don't believe the polls at all. i don't think the president is lying is also the same pollster for fox news and on october 19th 2016 had hillary clinton up by 9 points i think with the current way that we do polling with cell phones and it's pretty hard to do an accurate whole but i do believe 'd that the media has done an incredible job of destroying this administration since the day he raised his hand and got

sworn in it with the mueller investigation and with. the impeachment fiasco and now you have the corona virus and i think the president. well look. this is the worst thing that's ever out so it's not surprising that the president's poll numbers are not as strong as they should be when you have the entire media establishment doing everything they can't describe him ok it was spencerian way in there i mean it is a with a 10 saying it's the polls are off i'm going to hold my decision on that i mean consistently across the board here that he's doing very poorly. it seems to me that it's more an issue driven on it seems to me and being an avid watcher of the president it my sense he's kind of lost the plot he seems to not be in his element like he used to be but back in february and march go ahead. yeah and you know i

disagree about the polls it's not just the fox news poll there it's multiple polls over a long period of time and of course we have to recognize polls are only a sampling of reality and of course they have a margin of error built into them but over time it's definitely a trend and i agree i think the president has lost the plot that got him elected and i actually if i may i have a new book called patriots of 2 nations which. helps especially people on my side of the fence understand support for president trump beyond the i think over simplified explanations they're all racists or they're all ignorant or or whatever and i think ultimately it's a different view of reality and he was appealing to a reality that dates back to the founding of the country which is a counter enlightenment view of reality that focuses more on culture and loyalty and faith as opposed to science. facts and logic and the social contract and i

think actually that's what he was appealing to was people who responded to what they saw as an appeal to things like faith and culture but i think he's mistaken a for just the racist element there's certainly an element of racism in support for trump not all of his supporters are racists of course but he seems to be doubling down on the ugliest parts of the basis of court for him and i think that's where he's losing supply lines on the way out as you say you haven't that's kind of very definition of the culture wars because you can you can look at it i mean a lot of trump supporters and this is look at mount rushmore this speech there which i think was one of the best speeches of his presidency and i can understand how some people would interpret it in a very negative light his supporters saw it in a very positive light did let me go back in line same with the mount rushmore speech because i think it was very very interesting and i could just be kind of simplistic here he spoke to the heart and i was very heart rendering speech but we're in the middle of an economic turndown in a pandemic he didn't talk much to the stomach and that that would be my fault of

doubt speech because you know we can talk about statues all we want but if you don't have a job and you don't have any prospects for a job that's going to stick with you more then talking about statues go ahead. well i think we do have a major culture war going on in this country right now where you have the left that has taken over the democratic party and they're trying to destroy everything that this country stands for they're trying to destroy our capital cities i'm in denver they have literally destroyed our capital in denver and they're tearing down statues whether it's united or. whether red whether it is. abolitionists or whether it is stevie ray vaughn or doesn't matter who the statue is they're tearing it down because they're trying to tear down a culture that what the president's speech was was speaking to that culture war

that is going on yes there are a lot of jobs that are being lost and i think that the president has done an incredible job with the u.s. economy even end this current situation so i think he's dealing with that but that's the it's right there was talking about why is america great as opposed to all of the other countries in the world because we have the declaration of independence we have a constitution that sets up the individual as as the apex of our government and the government works for the individual not the other way around and that's what makes the united states unique and all of human history and that's why the president's speech was so profound to him but and mentally i would agree with you i think that trump won the cultural war in 2016 but i think you can lose it in 2020 because of the economy i still think that that fundamentally is not people going to respond to i mean it is not you know i'm the product of the brown for over 20 years and you know having to explain american politics sometimes can be very

difficult because we have a president may have 50 governors now at the end of the day he's you know he's captain of the ship he is responsible for the country but i sometimes worry when he says well these are just democratic cities and things like that and that's you know that is such a divisive thing to it in fact. it's actually true but for the commander in chief the leader of the country to say well it's their fault i think that really sounds very hollow for a lot of people when we are in a national crisis go ahead and zoom right in the democratic senate is fram has balls the violent crime rate in the united states has been falling since the early the beginning of the 1990 s. people constantly get encouraged to believe that america is a war zone in the city as an act we're safer we better than we have an end of course there are there is the country where there's terrible violence but overall we're much safer than we've been in many decades. but again this gets to my larger point i agree about yes it's a culture war and it has been a culture war at least since the sixty's but in my book i argue it actually goes

back to the fountain country and it's it's more than disagreement over culture instance agreement over how we define reality itself and this is why liberals often have such a hard time. arguing especially with trump supporters because you know people like me will will come at them with factual. logic based arguments and miss these other elements and realize that for many people who support trump there are different ways and what they would see is a higher way of it finding the truth in many cases or they're looking at exactly the same phenomenon and will point to the evidence that what you're saying there or what you're doing there is an example of racial bigotry or religious bigotry and they'll say no no no i'm talking about tradition and i'm talking about preserving our culture that argument's never going to be resolved the 2 sides will just get more and more entrenched and more and more angry at each other and the extent to which they get on each one's evil is the greatest threat to democracy so in my book i share ways people can start to actually understand where the other charges coming

from the sense of the bible i think for me i mean i guess like i'm going to jump in to the end because because it i truly believe he ready didn't run as an outsider he didn't run as a populist and i helped him for not governing as a populist ok but. equally. and i think that is millionaires and corporations essentially i think that's his greatest weakness there when you know you tend to in a no win when the 1st wave of the stimulus or bailouts whatever you want to call oh them you know it was concierge service for the very rich and powerful it wasn't for main street it wasn't for middle america and then i was watching senator kennedy on the morning program sunday and he was asked point blank you know with what's going on with the next i mean listen bailout is a home maybe it'll come maybe it won't i mean it just seems like half the country just left let down is that they're in a huge crisis right now and i don't understand the in action i mean the pump the presidency is the most powerful thing in the presidency as

a political it is to be able to stand up and say i want your time and this is how this administration is going to move hell or highwater with the g.o.p. is going to do or the democrats why doesn't he do that. well i do agree with you that he ran as a populist president and that's why he did get elected because he said he would go and help those forgotten americans that the democrats and republicans alike for the last 3 decades have ever left behind and they stepped out their manufacturing jobs around the world and that has led to huge unemployment and the rust belt throughout the country and you look at his policies for the 1st 3 years and he fulfilled all of those policies he did bring back manufacturing jobs he did lower unemployment for african-americans who are hispanic americans or 'd. women around the country those are those are not. racist policies that spencer keeps talking about those are policies that raise all ships whether whether they are red yellow black and white

male or female those are populist policies that got passed and that's why his poll numbers if you look at inside the poll numbers that you are talking about his poll numbers on the economy are still about 55. 6 percent across the board on all of those policies because the american people realize that on that issue he is working hard for all americans a populist policy and it is working when you when you start looking at the way the media has tried to destroy him on the coronavirus and you see the radical left leftists that are tearing down our our country in these inner cities yes they are inner cities that are being run by democrat governors democrat mayors that is undeniable that elections have consequences and if you want to have a mayor that's going to tell their police to stand down and let these radicals you have to destroy their cities that's

a legitimate argument for the president to make and that's really what this election is going to be about you want mob rule or view what the rule of law and that's what this election's going to be about it's not going to be about roe it's spencer go ahead and your reply to that sure is you know it's not the media that's killing more than $140000.00 americans are bungling the handling of the coronavirus pandemic and these protests in the cities are almost entirely peaceful and most americans are horrified by the sight of u.s. military and specially unmarked u.s. military snatching people are the streets this is supposed to be one of the greatest outrages of it all for libertarians and conservatives and they say that memories and the reason that's the reason that exactly moving that the president is in so marked rebels meaning that you can you can reason it can cause the reason you hate inside it's my turn it's my turn it's my turn it's my turn to ted i'm sorry it's my turn the reason the president is in trouble in so many polls is again gets

back to my thesis i believe that people who have sworn their loyalty under the world view of the people who support him it's admirable their loyalty is strong. but on the other hand what will shake there is displays of unworthy. in his case corruption and incompetent sensor hold out to go towards your break and continue our discussion about from an old state with our. problem drugs don't always come from unscrupulous dealers but from pharmacies to every state in the united states we've seen very sharp increase in the number of people seeking treatment for addiction to prescription opioids invited to america under the banner of medicine persisted with the pain but instead of trying to wean

him off though she just goes after dose after dose after dose and really became his drug dealer so who's to blame patients doctors manufacturers all the governments are. welcome to cross top where all things are considered i'm purely about to remind you we're discussing why trump is lagging in the polls. ok ted and i want you to respond to what spencer said before we went to the break. spencer's argument that this is just peaceful demonstrations it's actually ridiculous that we wouldn't be having these top just guesses about these riots if they were peaceful you go look at the colorado capitol and they are all around

capitol is destroyed there are windows shot out but just legislators cars had their windows shot out evil are being beaten out all across the country or and it were being beaten up and the cops are being beat now this is not he will demonstrations this is rather. a lot of this that are trying to destroy the united states and for democrats for spencer to be essentially apologizing for that tells you where we are as a country the left you the mayor of denver the mayor of portland the marrow of seattle is out there are marching with matter and say this is ok to be doing this that this is not ok marching is fine in a democracy marching is fine i'm going to say no i was absolutely fine though it's the job of police to protect some of us maybe once and they aren't. the police have been called down whenever there is violence whenever they are destroying private

property these democrat these democrat mayors are telling the police to stand down and that's that's completely irresponsible we have a civilized government to protect the civil liberties of our citizens and these mayors in these towns and in these states are not doing ok dispenser you know one of the things that i found really quite disturbing and particularly in the city of minneapolis after all of the destruction i think we'd all agree there was a lot of destruction in that city and then they didn't on it and they turn around and they say wait they want federal assistance when they intended the priest same to the writers and the looters i mean you know i don't it's the reason why i'm saying that is it this is this. economic crisis this pin down a pandemic then we have the george floyd incident here it is being politicized and i won't deny it's being politicized on both sides but this is certainly the left is enjoying this because it is for the 1st time in my humble opinion from is found

himself to be a bit paralyzed go ahead spencer. this is happening because trump is facing those serious crises we've all been afraid would come along and new would have to come sooner or later but the left is here is certainly not enjoying this nobody's nobody's enjoying it part of what we're hearing from ted unfortunately and too often from. folks who support trump especially people in the media who support trump is the cherry picking of a few emotionally salient stories and using those to substitute for the broader reality and unfortunately this takes advantage of a feature of our the way our minds work we're much more you know worried about the single shark that might attack us than about statistics that show that swimming in the ocean is probably safe. and this is one of those cases this is very much a case where almost all of these so-called riots are peaceful protests and the united states of america is founded on the protection of people's rights to disagree with each other and even engage in civil disobedience if they feel strongly enough as long as they don't engage in violence i by the way have spent

many years as part of my experience working with police departments including in situations where we had similar situations over issues of police use of force so i think this is an area that i actually know quite a lot about and a good police department their 1st priority is to protect protect this safety of everybody and the department that i would that i was working with and in the most serious of these cases their 1st priority in responding to protests was to ensure those protests were peaceful and to protect the safety of protesters many of whom were calling them terrible names that's a real american police department has seen what happened and laughing at square in front of the white house one of the most powerful symbols of democracy against peaceful protests was a travesty and it brought shame on our country are willing to endure it nancy and i

think there are people that are using peace. the concept and the process of peaceful protesting in there there are a number of people that are abusing it and i think if they're going to say i'm a man nobody supports those people plenty of video evidence i mean that's just not talking heads it's really quite a riff all right i mean you have you know painting a lot of lives manner on a street and it's ok for some people to paint that but then there's other people that come by and say i'm going to paint over it but they're the ones that get in trouble for her number of people that are painting on the street in the 1st place i mean if there is it's really quite a one sided in hypocritical it literally is that their method authorities are painting on the street by by bare legitimated or their 1st amendment right or the other person if you think your animal has and nobody seems to care about property in favor of barrow's on whether in favor of vandalism but i think the paper you're back i was mad at were. federal unmarketable troops after a band olds in portland oregon and this mission and its new york studio oh after

there's no bail ok i mean you know it you know there's 2 sides to all of this and you can see how i can understand how both sides get very upset and you've been real quiet. i think it's interesting to spencer didn't respond to your the your comments about the hapless asking for $500000000.00 for the damage done by the peaceful protesters that didn't do anything in the peaceful protest that night. the reason why we're having these discussions this is not because they are peaceful protests yes there are people out there that are protesting peacefully but it is that's not what we're talking about we're talking about these radical leftists that are destroying private property hurting police officers and hurting fellow citizens that's what we're talking about we're not talking about his protest everybody agrees he should be able to have he's protests and i agree that we should be talking about. abuses of the police department as

a state. just later for 30 years here colorado i work very hard to deal with some of these issues that are dealing with his brutality but that's not what we're talking about here we're talking about the radical leftists that are destroying private property are hurting people are tearing down statues and strikes stroy what it means to be an american and that is what i think will be the key issue going into the november election is do you want the democrats already which has been taken over by the law or do you want the republican party and trump that is for the rule of law and i think in the end the american people your average hard working blue collar democrat and an affiliate out there are going to look at those 2 extremes and say we are not these radical leftists that have taken over the democratic party that's not the party of sheriff but there's a problem with me going to spencer here i mean one of the things that i think is

really quite sound and it is that in in 2016 donald trump was very successful in towering craig and hillary i mean it were locked in were ok it's almost impossible to do that all sleepy joe ok it's hard to dislike him i think he's a crook ok and his mourinho is the decisions for decades i think are surrender but nonetheless old sleepy joe the problem is a rock with hillary because it was easy with joe it's a lot harder spends crew. sure you know tell you. who else is doesn't want to see radical leftist take over the democratic party is the actual democratic party. and the new. ruse this is a ruse it's a ruse because joe biden. is he right where you want to see radical of by him as this is right it's not sticking i've worked with joe biden and like

everybody who's working as joe biden i love him he's a wonderful person you can certainly disagree if you like with any and all of his positions and actions during his career i think he was right about a lot of stuff for example the stimulus program which he managed as one of the most efficient and corruption free waste free massive government programs in our history and yet you're right you're right joe biden is just a likable person and he has one of his greatest strengths is that he connects with average americans so effectively hillary clinton you know i think for going to hillary stuff was essentially made up but she made she enable bit she the behavior she engaged in like with the email server invaded this kind of stuff and then you also and that kind of comment which actually feeds into again. you know this is

a problem the left has is coming across as all in their heads and not enough in their hearts and coming across with this sense of well look we've figured this all out scientifically so we know the correct answer and if you don't understand it it's because you're a little slow and just let us explain it to you and unfortunately hillary tended to project that kind of attitude that joe biden definitely does not and in fact he has a lot of the populist strengths that donald trump does if he makes a connection with the average person i think this is right president trap this is separate of him wrapping. maybe in a time didn't want for the life of me i don't understand why it doesn't go to the left. and push for a marshall plane i mean really go up i mean it's within his power and it needs to do push it publicly but if we miss this executive order to buy american joe got it on ahead of him on that it's amazing to me it's still sitting on trump's desk he won't sign it because he's he's beholden to special interests around him an

authentic will to what he ran a review 106518 makes me angry makes me angry because joe was able to get pull one over on trump because he says well i'm going will buy and marry him trump has the power but to do it by just the rhetoric. well i don't ever want donald trump to go to the left of joe biden that's a scary thought know not to let me let me just in terms of a stimulus to help middle class people that's what i'm talking about i'm not being ideological here i'm talking about a policy tool they rescued the rich and powerful they need to rescue the middle class that in that sense in that sense only i am a. conservative in good standing my friends don't worry. well as a as a true conservative i can tell you that i don't want the government to be bailing out as many people as they already have the fact that we have already given 4

trillion dollars to big business model business and people who are out of a chop i am worried about that and the impact that's going to have on the economy moving forward than i am of the role of it's i think the fact that you have essentially 5 states that are run by 5 governors that have a $55.00 democrat governors that are shut down there are economists going into the november election is going to have a greater impact on our world it's. i mean not just united states economy but the world economy then anything donald trump to try to solve that problem when you have california shutting down their the largest economy in the world and they're shutting it down that is what you have missed out on rapidly running out of time i'm just going to have i want to yes no answers from spencer will trump regret the day that congress and he himself as president build up the rich and most powerful

the or main street yes or no oh yes yes all right gentlemen that's all the time me i just was very spirited i very much enjoyed it i want to thank my guests on a rape in and in denver i want to thank our viewers watching as you see you next time remember. elderly forward to talking to you on. that technology should work for people. i robot must obey the orders given by human beings except where such orders that conflict with the 1st law show your identification for should be very careful about artificial intelligence and the point of view screen is to create a trance every. various child playing with artificial intelligence will summon a demon. a

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