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any medical conditions. and the u.s. accuses china of sponsoring hackers to spy on american companies working on a vaccine for told 19. pick out r.t. dot com to read more about those and other stories out of mexico cross talk looks at what impact covert 1000 could have on the us 2020 like me to. follow in welcome across the uk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle according to even fox news trunk is lacking in the polls is this because joe biden is such a brilliant candidate or. because of the hardening consensus the pen demick has

been badly handled by the president still another theory trump ran as a populist in 2016 as he governed as one. to discuss this and more in denver we're joined by ted harvey he is the chairman of the committee to defend the president and a founding member of the stop hillary pac and in monterey we cross the spencer originally he is a former communications and buys or to obama for america 20082012 as well as a managing partner of communication consulting firm boots rhodes group or across companies in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i was appreciated ok let's go to denver 1st to you know i'm an avid watcher of programs like tucker carlson on box news and and so when i see public opinion polls about

donald trump on fox i tend to take take take them very seriously and now we all know that the 2016 polls were off and off enough for the election to come out differently than expected so i really don't want to hear that the polls are off let's talk about what the polls really mean why is the president lagging in the polls. well i honestly to your original point i don't believe the polls at all i don't think the president is liking it all the same pollster for fox news and on october 19th 2016 had a hillary clinton up by 9 points i think with the current way that we do polling with cell phones and it's pretty hard to do an accurate whole but i do believe that the media has done an incredible job of destroying this administration since the day he raised his hand and got sworn in it with a mueller investigation and with. the. impeachment fiasco and now you have

the coronavirus and i think the president of iris very well look yes well this is the worst thing that's ever so it's not surprising that the president's poll numbers are not as strong as they should be when you have the entire media establishment doing everything they can't describe him ok it was spencerian way in there i mean it is so with ted saying it's the polls are awful i'm going to hold my decision on that i mean consistently across the board here that he's doing very poorly. it seems to me that it's more an issue driven on it seems to me and being an avid watcher of the president it my sense he's kind of lost the plot and he seems to not be in his element like he used to be but back in february and march go ahead. yeah and you know i disagree about the polls it's not just the fox news poll there it's multiple polls over a long period of time and of course we have to recognize polls are only

a sampling of reality and of course they have a margin of error built into them but over time it's definitely a trend and i agree i think the president has lost the plot that got him elected and i actually if i may i have a new book called patriots of 2 nations which. helps especially people on my side of the fence understand support for president trump beyond the i think over simplified explanations they're all racists are they're all ignorant or or whatever and i think ultimately it's a different view of reality and he was appealing to a reality that dates back to the founding of the country which is a counter enlightment view of reality that focuses more on culture and loyalty and faith as opposed to science. facts and logic and the social contract and i think actually that's what he was appealing to was people who responded to what they saw as an appeal to things like faith and culture but i think he's mistaken

a for just the racist element there's certainly an element of racism in support for trump not all of his supporters are racists of course but he seems to be doubling down on the ugliest parts of the basis of court for him and i think that's where he's losing supply lines on the way out as you say you haven't that's kind of very definition of the culture wars because you can you can look at it i mean a lot of trump supporters and this is look at mount rushmore this speech there which i think was one of the best speeches of his presidency and i can understand how some people would interpret it in a very negative light his supporters saw it in a very positive light did let me go back in line same with the mt rushmore speech because i think it was very very interesting if i could just be kind of simplistic here he spoke to the heart and i was very heart rendering speech but we're in the middle of an economic turndown in a pandemic he didn't talk much to the stomach and that that would be my fault of doubt speech because you know we can talk about statues all we want but if you don't happen job and you don't have any prospects for

a job that's going to stick with you more then talking about stashes go ahead. well i think we do have a major culture war going on in this country right now where you have the left that has taken over the democratic party and they're trying to destroy everything that this country stands for they're trying to destroy our capital cities i'm in denver they have literally destroyed our capital in denver and they're tearing down statues whether it's united or. whether red whether it is. abolitionists or whether it is stevie ray vaughn or doesn't matter who the statue is they're tearing it down because they're trying to tear down a culture that what the president's speech was was speaking to that culture war that is going on yes there are a lot of jobs that are being lost and i think that the president has done an incredible job with the u.s. economy even end this current situation so i think he's dealing with that but

that's the it's right there was talking about why is america great as opposed to all of the other countries in the world because we have the declaration of independence we have the costs to sion that sets up the individual as as the apex of our government and the government works for the individual not the other way around and that's what makes the united states unique and all of human history and that's why the president's speech was so profound jim bittermann mensa me i would agree with you i think trump won the cultural war in 2016 but i think you can lose it in 2020 because of the economy i still think that that fundamentally is not people going to respond to i mean it is not you know i'm the product of the broad for over 20 years and you know having to explain american politics sometimes can be very difficult because we have a president may have 50 governors now at the end of the day he's you know he's captain of the ship he is responsible for the country but i sometimes worry when he

says well these are just democratic cities and things like that and that's you know that is such a divisive thing to it in fact. it's actually true but when the commander in chief the leader of the country to say well it's their fault i think that really sounds very hollow for a lot of people limor in a national crisis go ahead and zoom right in the democratic senate is fram has balls the violent crime rate in the united states has been falling since the early the beginning of the 1990 s. people constantly get encouraged to believe that america is a war zone in the cities an act we're safer we better then we bend of course there are areas of the country where there's terrible violence but overall we're much safer than we've been in many decades. but again this gets to my larger point i agree that yes it's a culture war and it has been a culture war at least since the sixty's but in my book i argue it actually goes back to the fountain country and it's it's more than disagreement over culture instance agreement over how we define reality itself and this is why liberals often have such a hard time. arguing especially with trump supporters because you know people like

me will will come at them with factual. logic based arguments and miss these other elements and realize that there are many people who support from their different ways and what they would see is a higher way of it finding the truth in many cases or they're looking at exactly the same phenomenon and will point to be evidence that what you're saying there or what you're doing there is an example of racial bigotry or religious bigotry and they'll say no no no i'm talking about tradition and i'm talking about preserving our culture that argument's never going to be resolved the 2 sides will just get more and more entrenched and more and more angry at each other and the extent to which they did manage it was evil is the greatest threat to democracy so in my book i share ways people can start to actually understand where the other charges coming from the sense of the bible i think for me i mean i guess like i'm going to jump in to the end because because it i truly believe he ready didn't run as an outsider he

didn't run as a populist and i helped him for not governing as a populist ok but. equally. and i think that is millionaires and corporations essentially i think that's his greatest weakness there when you know you tend to in a no win when the 1st wave of the stimulus or bailouts whatever you want to come off oh them you know it was concierge service for the very rich and powerful it wasn't for main street it wasn't for middle america and then i was watching senator kennedy on the morning program sunday and he was asked point blank you know with what's going on with the next i mean listen bailout is home maybe it'll come maybe it won't i mean it just seems like half the country's is left let down is that they're in huge crisis right now and i don't understand the in action i mean the pump the presidency is the most powerful thing in the presidency as a political it is to be able to stand up and say i want your time and this is how this administration is going to move hell or highwater with the g.o.p. is going to do or the democrats why does any of you that. well i do agree with you

that he ran as a populist president and that's why he did get elected because he said he would go and help those forgotten americans that the democrats and republicans alike for the last 3 decades have ever left behind and they shipped out their manufacturing jobs around the world and that has led to huge unemployment and the rust belt throughout the country if you look at his policies for the 1st 3 years and he fulfilled all of those follow allah says he did bring back manufacturing jobs he did lower unemployment for african-americans or hispanics americans for 'd. women around the country those are those are not. racist policies that spencer keeps talking about those are policies that raise all ships whether whether they are red yellow black and white male or female those are populist policies that got passed and that's why his poll numbers if you look at inside the poll numbers that you are talking about

his poll numbers on the economy are still about 55. 6 percent across the board on all of those policies because the american people realize that on that issue he is working hard for all americans a populist policy and it is working when you when you start looking at the way the media has tried to destroy him on the coronavirus and you see the radical left leftists that are tearing down our our country in these inner cities yes they are inner cities that are being run by democrat governors democrat mayors that is undeniable that elections have consequences and if you want to have a mayor that's going to tell their police to stand down and let these radicals the able to destroy their cities that's a legitimate argument with the president to make and that's really what this election is going to be about do you want mob rule or do you what the rule of law and that's what this election's going to be about it's not going to be about.

spencer replied into. you know it's not the media that's killing more than 140000 americans are bungling the handling of the coronavirus pandemic and these protests in the cities are almost entirely peaceful and most americans are horrified by the sight of u.s. military especially on mark u.s. military snatching people off the streets this is supposed to be one of the greatest outrages of it all for libertarians and conservatives and they say that marie's and the reason that's the reason that zach moved in that the president isn't so mark trouble thinking that you can you can reason it can cause the reason you hate inside it's my turn it's my turn it's my turn it's my turn to ted i'm sorry it's my turn the reason the president is in trouble in so many polls is again gets back to my thesis i believe that people who have sworn their loyalty under the world view of the people who support him it's admirable their loyalty is strong.

but on the other hand what will shake that is displays of unworthy. in his case corrupt and incompetent censor hold out ready to go towards your break and continue our discussion about from in poland state with our. best geysers financial survival bill they say money to develop. move closer to jesus this is a central plank support diadem is going to call them right now say stop to. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guests of the world of politics for business i'm show business i'll see you then.

welcome to cross talk where all things are considered i'm hearing about remind you we're discussing why trump is lagging in the polls. ok ted and i want you to respond to what spencer said before we went to the break. spencer's argument that this is just peaceful demonstrations is actually ridiculous that we wouldn't be having these top disgust and about these riots if they were peaceful you go look at the colorado capitol and they are there colorado capitol is destroyed there are windows shot out just legislators cars had their windows shot out evil are being beat now all across the country or and evil are being beaten up

and the cops are being beat now this is not he will demonstrations this is radical leftist that are trying to do. stroy the united states and for democrats for spencer to be essentially apologizing for that tells you where we are as a country that the left you the mayor of denver the mayor of portland the marrow of seattle is out there are marching with matter and saying this is ok to be doing this that this is not ok marching is fine in a democracy marching is fine i'm going to say no i was absolutely fine though it's the job of police to protect some of us maybe once and they aren't but the police have been called down and whenever there is violence whenever they are destroying private property these democrat these democrat mayors are telling the police to stand down and that's that's completely irresponsible we have a civilized government to protect the civil liberties of our citizens and these

mayors in these towns and in these states are not doing. dispenser you know one of the things that i found really quite disturbing is particularly in the city of minneapolis after all of the destruction i think we all agreed it was a lot of destruction in that city and then they didn't i mean they turn around and they say when do you want federal assistance when they abandon the precinct to the writers and the looters i mean you know i don't it's the reason why i'm saying that is it this is this. economic crisis this is pinned down a pandemic then we have the george floyd incident here it is being politicized and i won't deny it's being politicized on both sides but this is certainly the left is enjoying this because it is for the 1st time in my humble opinion from is found himself to be a bit paralyzed go ahead and say. this is happening because trump is facing those serious crises we've all been afraid would come along and new would have to come sooner or later but the left is here is certainly not enjoying this nobody's nobody

is enjoying that part of what we're hearing from ted unfortunately and too often from. folks who support trump especially people in the media who support is the cherry picking of a few emotionally salient stories and using those to substitute for the broader reality and unfortunately this takes advantage of a feature of our the way our minds work we're much more you know worried about the single shark that might attack us than about statistics that show that swimming in the ocean is probably safe. and this is one of those cases this is very much a case where almost all of these so-called riots are peaceful protests and the united states of america is founded on the protection of people's rights to disagree with each other and even engage in civil disobedience if they feel strongly enough as long as they don't engage in violence i by the way have spent many years as part of my experience working with police departments including in situations where we had similar situations over issues of police use of force so i

think this is an area that i actually know quite a lot about and. good police department their 1st priority is to protect protect the safety of everybody and the department that i would know that i was working with and the most serious of these cases their 1st priority in responding to protests was to ensure those protests were peaceful and to protect the safety of protesters many of whom were calling them terrible names that's a real american police department so seen what happened and laughing at square in front of the white house one of the most powerful symbols of democracy against peaceful protests was a travesty and it brought shame on our country are willing to endure it dancer i think there are people that are using peace the concept and the process of peaceful protesting in there there are a number of people that are abusing it and i think yes i'm a man nobody supports those people plenty of video evidence i mean that's just not

talking heads it's really quite a riff it all right i mean you have you know painting a lot of lives manner on a street and it's ok for some people to paint that but then there's other people that come by and say i'm going to paint over it but they're the ones that get in trouble for are not the people that are painting on the street in the 1st place i mean if there is it's really quite one sided impractical it literally is that they elected authorities are painting on the street by by their legitimated or their 1st amendment right or the other hurley's you think is right on as a nobody seems to care about property in favor of bad weather in favor of vandalism by the paper anymore but i was not aware so i'm better all on marc federal troops after band olds in portland oregon and this this is kind of its. own laughter there's no bail ok i mean you know i there's 2 sides to all of this and you can see how i can understand how both sides get very upset and you've been real quiet. i

think it's interesting to spencer didn't respond to your the your comment about minneapolis asking for $500000000.00 for the damage done by the peaceful protesters that didn't do anything and they peaceful protest that night the reason why we're having these discussions this is not because they are peaceful protests yes there are people out there that are protesting peacefully but it is that's not what we're talking about we're talking about these radical leftists that are destroying private property hurting police officers and hurting fellow citizens that's what we're talking about we're not talking about his protest everybody agrees he should be able to have he's protests and i agree that we should be talking about. abuses of the police department as a state legislator for 30 years here colorado i work very hard to deal with some of these issues that are dealing with police brutality but that's not what we're

talking about here we're talking about the radical leftists that are destroying private property are hurting people are tearing down statues and strikes and destroy what it means to be an american and that is what i think will be the key issue going into the november election is do you want the democrat party which has been taken over by the law or do you want the republican party and trump that is for the rule of law and i think in the end the american people your average hard working blue collar democrat and an affiliate out there are going to look at those 2 extremes and say we are not these radical leftists that have taken over the democrat party that's not the party of. the there's a problem with that me going to spencer here i mean one of the things that i think is really quite sounds knitting is that in in 2016 donald trump was very successful in towering crankin hillary i mean it worked locker up in words ok it's almost

impossible to do that all. sleepy joe ok it's hard to dislike him i think he's a crook ok and his mom policy decisions for decades i think are her random but nonetheless old sleepy joe the problem is a rock with hillary because it was easy with joe a lot of our fans cool. 'd sure you know tell you. who else is doesn't want to see radical leftist take over the democratic party is the actual democratic party. and. bruce this is a ruse it's a ruse because joe biden. is he right where you want to see radical of by him as this is right it's not sticking i've worked with joe biden and like everybody who's work it's joe biden i love him he's he's a wonderful person you can certainly disagree if you like with any and all of his

positions and actions during his career i think he was right about a lot of stuff for example the stimulus program which he managed as one of the most efficient and corruption free waste free massive government programs in our history and yet you're right you're right joe biden is just a likable person and he has one of his greatest strengths is that he connects with average americans so effectively hillary clinton you know i think for going to hillary stuff was essentially made up but she made she enable that she the behavior she engaged in like with the e-mail server invaded this kind of stuff and then you also and then that kind of comment which actually feeds into again. you know this is a problem the left has is coming across as all in their heads and not enough in their hearts and coming across with this sense of well look we've figured this all out scientifically so we know the correct answer and if you don't understand it

it's because you're a little slow and just let us explain it to you and unfortunately hillary tended to project that kind of attitude and joe biden definitely does not and in fact he has a lot of the populist strengths that donald trump does if he makes a connection with the average person i think this is right president traveling is separate of him wrapping. even a time didn't want for the life of me i don't understand why it doesn't go to the left. and push for a marshall plane i mean really go up i mean it's within his power at least who has to push it publicly but if we miss this executive order to buy american joe got it on ahead of him on that it's amazing to me it's still sitting on trump's desk he won't sign him because he's he's beholden to special interests around him an authentic will to when if you ran a review 106518 makes me angry makes me angry because joe was able to get one over

on trump because he says one of them will buy and marry him trump has the power but to do it by just the rhetoric you know him well i don't ever want donald trump to go to the left of joe biden that's a scary thought know not to let me let me just in terms of a stimulus to help middle class people that's what i'm talking about i'm not being ideological here i'm talking about a policy tool they rescued the rich and powerful they need to rescue the middle class that in that sense in that sense only i am a. conservative in good standing my friends don't who are. well as a as a true conservative i can tell you that i don't want the government to be bailing out as many people as they already have the fact that we have already been 4 trillion dollars to big business now business and people who are out of a chop i am worried about that and the impact that's going to have on the economy

moving forward than i am of the role of it's i think the fact that you have sensually 5 states that are run by 5 governors that have a $55.00 democrat governors that are shut down there are economists going into the november election is going to have a greater impact on our world it's. i mean not just united states economy but the world economy than anything donald trump to try to solve that problem when you have california shutting down there the largest economy in the world and they're shutting it down that is when you have a. rapidly running out of time just get out i want to yes no answers from spencer will trump regret the day that congress and he himself as president build up the richest and most powerful the or me straight yes or no oh yes yes all right gentlemen that's all the time we understood very spirited i very much enjoyed it i want to thank my guests on a rate end in denver i want to thank our viewers watching as you know are you see

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