successive general elections islams of 10 euro 2nd only to w.r. the founder of fill a foil back to having such events in office include the belfast peace agreement or the development of the irish target economy today we are back to having how stars island and the possible endemic on the porch. but 1st over that there's been a glasgow view twichell emails are your best ijaz thank you alex last week sure covered the response to new zealand to coronavirus and interviews with top new zealand public health academic professor michael baker and dr mark earnest by caroline comments so bring insights from both contributors it seems early and stringent measures have been key to tackling covert 1000 more effectively notable scotland has made progress instead of bridging from the rest of u.k. strategy hopefully this puts us on a better footing for winter to annex things is what was in new zealand's favor is that she's relatively isolated from the rest of the world she has

a relatively small population who were and are mature enough to tear to the safety precautions and they also have good border control and says 1st watch a great show learnt a lot more regarding the pandemic will also be on track so now people keep sensible and strong not to go backwards for the sake of a year more access spot on alex australia is also an island but pursuing suppression and feeling bored a situation similar to scotland in westminster western australia is now back to new normal while noble and folks are unlocked and again i don't think you could have been any clearer john says well done we should all learn from new zealand how to manage this vitus traverses they haven't killed it it will be back when people start travelling to the end of the world again and finally resell says all the women leaders have done great. there is a new coalition government in ireland it will figure foiled back in the driving suit and the home market and sworn in as to shock

a prime minister no no great surprise there my guest today bethia have led 3 correlation governments between the years 1997 and 2008 and he was a fin a foil t. shirt and prime minister have of the new government in dublin comes of a clear difference the 2 great parties of the state in a foreign finagle have joined together the coalition for the 1st time in a century of independence they did this to the keep the upstart shin fein who actually topped the fall in the last general election we held martin's administration of inherited a stunning international diplomatic success with ireland elected on to the security council of the united nations for the the 1st time however that government will also have to deal with the substantial economic followed of both covert and breck's so ho fers the land of violence i'm joined by former tisha bethia have been who's speaking to me from his foreman in dublin there to welcome to the alex salmond sure

thank you very much alex and it's nice to be talking to you again and lace me on your show about it you're no stranger to coalition governments of a new lead 3 coalitions in your time as station but a coalition between finn a file of the feeder galas something different altogether how surprising a development is that in the context of the 100 year history of irish independence i suppose it's not totally surprise alex because since 2016 at ciena fault had been supporting gina gail in government but somebody outside with a confluence supply arrangement so there were working actual shit together a down day probably had never gone over decades the best. you are island 2nd longest 7 prime minister of. second only to edmund beverley and i himself must have

been very very surprising as a leader of a few to foil of the official to see the. whole particular than the coalition with the great rivals of a 100 years of that is quite a spectacle of the vellum of the slightly the tories and the labor party going into coalition in the u.k. yeah but you know the histrionics vote both parties kind of grew out of the pro-agreement anansi agreement of december $1021.00 and they went their separate ways after the civil war. gina gale 1st of all central command the gale it was called and in the fall down under devil 'd era was set up in 1926 and they they were the 2 enemies faina fought and beat again right down to true history and civil war politics probably continued for for many decades in ireland. and any economic issues took over and so so it is new but i suppose like everything alex and new

generation of younger generation. things were not as polarized as the noradrenalin and a good friday agreement kind of settled down and the peace process developed and issues were not as difficult to strike those that where even in the sixty's seventy's and eighty's so i think people in the last election finnigan a loss holds for the fall and did not continue to gain stock they didn't in 2016 and there are 4 and this kind of force the position where if we were to have a stable government and not go back to having another election that's a default thing again have to go together so i think it'll work out ok and if it's different it will be difficult but you know in the challenges of economic issues and covert 19 issues so we'll have to see how it plays out alex. i'm highly surprised were you to see the the success the breakthrough of sion fame in the

family election and was that in your estimation to mainly to economic issues or the constitutional issue an island no edge it was very much economic issues i think what happens and alex's is as simple as this that seen a gale wording governments seem to fall were seen by a sizable amount of the electorate to be propping them up and supporting them so it's left an opportunity for shin fein and who had a good election day they kept it very much under economy added had a good housing spokesperson the housing is a big issue here and a lack of them in the republic and they love finance flows present and had a good health spokesperson so they kept our campaign cleverly. tree are for and front faces of the parakeets who are good performers and am i think they're

probably surprised when they did surprise themselves alex because they eat you know our system it's not 1st past the polls is proportional representation multi-seat constituencies and if they had to start more candidates ad they would have our you be one 'd probably another 10 or 12 seats and would have been the largest party so i don't think they saw their own success coming and so now what now daryn there and a good position from their development point of view there now they may not position party and mary mcdonald is the leader of the opposition so she gets far more coverage publicity and all the things that go with being the front line positions spokesperson a lot i won 7 of 8 for the scott of politics the oppositions tend to become government. some point would that be what beilin mcdonald as is thinking though

that she isn't a stiff exactly strong position as the the opposition the dominant opposition force from the yeah i think so it's how they perform and how they deal with opposition constructive opposition i think she can feign very traditionally tended to be against everything and i'm far nothing and you know and now i think they're going to have to nuance their position in more could stall out of objective way and supporting issues when it makes sense to do so been strident in opposition when not and that will be new farda and i you you and i would say alex normally an opposition would would develop that position easy enough but it has not been something that should fain have ever had to do so and i'm not saying they won't do it they have some very good people had a of capable people who are not involved in the troubles they have their articulate

spokespersons and certainly a group of them so don't perform i take the electorate will watch their performance and over the next few years so it's a big opportunity for them but it's also a difficulty for them how they actually you know create and a constructive opposition that seem by deal lectors to be ready to be in government . and how about there the government itself the new administration i mean you know the past now to very well may hold martin lee of a god who is they will they operate together as prime minister and that means the prime minister of in the in the new coalition yeah i think and the whole american has been a around a long time he was in all of my government suit was back when i was leader of the opposition he was not positions postperson so he has served then to the problems of health and foreign affairs and industry and education so he's at a why is politician a he he's you know we i think he's well up for the task it's

a rotational teisho so in 2 and a half years time at the end of 2020 2 'd and over outcomes back in again so he has a fixed period to perform and to use his energies on his experience to do 'd well so i think it's a great honor for him might even see it as a great opportunity in this political career it would be less recent stunning that robotic success of being elected to the security council of the united nations give us an impress the how important that is for the prestigious reputation of violin worldwide yeah it's very very important to our salix we work very hard to win day at the siege in the council and i think probably the foreign affairs and the government to determine stead and to make it work and and to do

a good job honest and i think they'll have to be realistic as well and you know but also ambitious and but they they tend to do the council and nowadays. you're familiar with alex from all our times as it is has huge workload it's stealing east play plan which had botox could return to country and. as situations and 20 cross-cutting to magic issues all around global security this is this will be a great diplomatic challenge for us but one that the country is very proud of and you know protecting our peace keeping an eye on conflict resolution and reconciliation and these are dns areas where we talk to to focus on that the home of course you will have the onset of the world financial crisis of of just more than 10 years ago what should i say the mission of. this situation compared

to that that great recession following the financial collapse around the world is that more or less serious in your estimation what is fascinating for a guy like me alex unasur you too is is how the companies have changed and the 1st thing everybody did was 12 years starting years ago when the problem started and they they stop spending money they told stock they they brought in a sterile measures left right in the center. and you know we suffered and out of 9 of course we had a property boom which was a lot of our own making show those are very different attitudes be taken by the powers that they vote in you do get european central bank and order is situations and the world bank i.m.f. to describe a system was taken to ever charging years ago so therefore my conclusion is if they stick with that for a period i think we can get through this and not easily and bored with it in

a fairly quick time spent. john the soft of the well i'll continue my conversation with the 2nd longest serving prime minister nitish history they have to have. the world is driven by a dream shaped. thinks . we fear to ask. problem drugs has come from unscrupulous dealers but from pharmacies to in every

state in the united states we see a very sharp increase in the number of people seeking treatment for addiction to prescription opioids invaded america under the banner of medicine persisting with the pain but instead of trying to wean him off though she just goes after dose after dose after dose and really became his drug dealer soon is to blame patients manufacturers. welcome back i mean conversation with beth to have 2nd longest serving prime minister to shock in the history of violence back to have island is facing a double economic kwami with the economic impact of blacks it made you must be kidding as you look at the negotiations between the betters governments and they

the utopia. struggling towards a potential cliff edge at the end of the shia yeah well you know my view of that and if sun praxis it's a disaster start to finish and continues to be so but anyway we are we are where we are as a young people say nowadays that. the door is no extension rishis government my clothes made docked here dnd of the year it is day is to transition period ends. i think the as a as we talked the e.u. u.k. discussions are continuing into even during continued in right through july and august now and we hope to addition tens of vice-chancellor of talks brings us to. some solutions because i can give we drift into september october it will be too late it's a complex issue if you're his october all of

a whatever agreement is reached shifter is agreement i assume and hope there will be but if there is one it does house retranslated in 10 or 29 wages and illegal text have to be checked to make sure there is not into translations of great problems and we are on to a new regime from from the 1st of january as so and he areas that are on stand and as i understand this fisheries at a level playing field today law enforcement underage additional cooperation and governance as of these are the issues that have to be cracked 2 during the remainder of this month and a holiday month of august so you know it's down to the wire still once again a book recs it for over 4 years now has tended to be that way. about the ham if you're a stablish the very secure relationship with one of the government and standing for the the good friday agreement. what you have any advice for me home

optimum of a stab of walking away from set with a johnson government during day tony blair years and your garden brown years old was considerable interest in number 10 in irish chose to was a lot of people in and the bets at senior level that you go down fairly round with arlington table was always high in the agenda one of the very very sad paintings about the u.k. leaving and the u.k. government leaving they are paying union is that daily contact of ministers politicians officials advisors agencies meeting actually repeat meetings metion in strasbourg and brussels meeting in london and dublin that's end it and back to playfully and under 31st of the same british year

you know sold and it was built up from 1970 trait doc chose contact is gone and i think there's a lack of appreciation that that is the case at the form of structures and the informal structures all ceased under 31st the same british year and there isn't really any older all tears now older than it is situations of good friday agreement and you know that kind of personal contact you know that the form of meetings are wanting unexposed it's the relationship ship built up it's to contact to people know who took phone or you know who to check serve you know who are going to get on to be that that that's going on and you know what's been built up over the period since that nutria is gonna and i think that's a great sadness and it's something done has been badly or underestimation in apple paying and and what's being written about breakfast. and listen and the views that the new tisha home othen has been also a cautious about and

a prospect for them egypt bought a poll to test the question of of violence here the tape is the right to express that caution on the cover and suck them stanzas he is aleksey assets and the reality is an extent and it's kind of a reality but even though the border has been a big issue on to sign and since 1021 the amount of work analysis preparedness of how you would and limitations on have one island to count on me and demand to work and that is very little in fact it would fail when you're folders so there is an issue of mounds of and preparedness and and ledges if examination and legal examination and you know how you would integrate to guard you should count today to guard the peace force and the republic but the p.s.n.

i unorganized elt legal systems are all these things and would have to be worked through before you could go to the people and damn it none of that work has ever never been done and we've been talking at each other for years and so and if somebody wants to rushes and for political reasons well parts will happen is you get a political answer and the people reject it and so am i think you know my view is not that we should never do which of course i am a republican and it is a game of number one aim of phina follow the party i lead and for years and it was actively involved at every level at that unification the conflict but it has to be done properly properly organized properly negotiation trying to convince people and go their way will only lead to time hardship and failure. and your political career betha him finally of you see in rapid economic development

a phylum beyond any thing that could have been imagined you have seen the precious price of peace a stablished through the island the now you see the the challenges of of covert the the brecht's the looming not on the horizon but in the valley of need to chill in towns of the reality of it these are extraordinary developments are here any thoughts on how 'd i haven't this place to face that new what all that women yeah i think i knitted it in a good position on x r a population is rising all the time and thankfully education levels are rising all the time we've most for young people now go to charge level high proportion of retard never graduates wanted to ph d. some further studies were continuing to attract at an enormous amount of foreign direct investment into the into the country. and employment and ireland

today is double what it was when i was labor minister dealing with debt high unemployment in crisis after 2 years ago but we have a generation who are by and large hard working and there are anxious to and to able to drive things forward so yes 50 challenges but i think that the future if handled right shift manager and if sensible decisions are taken which i hope will happen and if we continue to keep peaceful line and more than anything else and ahead of us back as you know alex for so far 2 years and it's least now are and can be seen around the world as a pace of economic sustainability economic advantage and not not a place for desperate still struggle as we are seeing for a long time so we have a lot of pluses and minuses i think just have to be handled very carefully and delicacy and in towns of international role. island which was once called the island beyond the island. as assuming some sang to stay

a virgin and european town with them they'd want to. quote what role will island be able to play in that and that new environment yeah we're a very very happy and a suppose a 2 front which a great success has recently with day which the security council which we were talking about permits tariffs and have a seat 420-212-0228 finance minister is to take over the euro group as is charity euro group so i think an increasingly our people are working outside of the country and they're involved in developing the we have as nearly as much an irish investment in the united states now as we've united states invested in ireland which has been an extraordinary position of irish companies now been able to bring acting high the other way and that you're mr trump

is aware of that problem and it is a fact and so we continue to i think you punch above our weight but when you're small and when you're a trading country when you were exporting like we survived and on and shoots the levels of exports and if we were had to be just supplier sounds we go underwater very quickly alex so we have to be competitive and we have to be bright we have to be smart we have to be innovation that we have to work carriage and when you're a 9 and you know in north and south and 6000000 or so but continue to write this week we have to work very well but there are opportunities and doubts and i do see opportunities for northern ireland if the cards are played well and they will still be partially dating which it. the regulation and the e.u. markets and l. also have the u.k.

position of being out of excess and so if it's played right they can get the best of both worlds and if it's not played late and be a disaster but i think it i think people realize that if they play right ordinary come a very good place to to work and invest in and i'd love to see that and to get into our in our disability that it probably has never had so and it. challenges but i think they're the ones that have bring a lot of opportunity alex that they have in the 2nd longest serving to show them that has their phylum thank you very much for joining me on the all examine show thank you very much alex and a pleasure to be on your program. in the 100 year history of independence ireland has never faced greater challenges or greater opportunities after a shaky start the dublin government handled the covert crisis well much better on any measurement than the london counterparts at least diplomacy has succeeded spectacularly in securing elevation to the security council of the united nations

but a failed to persuade westminster to call canny on but accept the consequent danger to dietician column e. is very clear that indeed there is some level of opportunity faced with a clear choice between london and brussels ireland has chosen europe as a result it's clear position within the single market will give a degree of competitive advantage compared to britain which will to some extent of say the top dillon's of bricks and then there's the question of the 3 unification i may not be an immediate prospect but it can be argued every rational reason for the partition of a sense their goal has either been a rooted one has disappeared entirely the rationality doesn't always determine human history but has a habit of shaping our ends rough hew them how we will and so for this to be the myself and all of the shows goodbye for now stay safe we'll see again next week.

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