report and i couldn't help but get the feeling that it was kind of a cross-section of a buzz feed story and a madison avenue market see proposal really kind of short on facts high on accusations and evidence free that's my conclusion go ahead mark. i have truth shall occasions paid in a judicial way and in a way. through law with the courage allegations in that i accept demands in fact evidence to serve the who actually accusations and if the evidence is not bad if the evidence is not forthcoming then the case should be dismissed now or as a matter of the parliamentary press gallery i made sure that i quickly or quiet a colleague of what has become known in branson as the last records and i will say this piece after us glance i was extremely dubious the cause

allegations of the name sure which are being made by this committee of tolerance against russia should really manifest itself in a lace $100.00 pages but the rules was only 20 pages and that is a very strange strange events sandra lee those who is full of traditional language of british official language such as the u.k. is committed to the rule of law the u.k. is committed to up hold in the international law based system the language of british officials are paid to has for centuries deceived a great many people who are feeling brinson and oppose now returning to the council and there was no evidence whatsoever forwards to support the accusations against

russia indeed intrudes paragraphs it clearly states if there is a no evidence to support a bass and russia interferes in the solution as an untruth in source independence referendum and in the sand paragraph it clearly states is that there is no evidence . russia's interference in those who files the 19 general election in prison on that basis there is no case to be heard because there is no evidence corroborates in these assertions against russia what we have seen in this report is parts and parcel. very well orchestrated and i was very loose less media p.r. and political campaign against russia because russia is not russia will the $99.00 seas and russia is a russia resurrections much of it so yes iran's superpower status is and that is

what is high in this report that is what is behind the fear of britain and america well it's an immature think my very curious about it is that it's essentially is demanding people like ourselves and our viewers to prove a negative because they make a claim and they trying to build a case to satisfy that claim but they obviously don't and they turn around and say you have to prove to us that they didn't meddle this is inverting the entire inverted and logically end and actually how you approach the law in any kind of meaningful in honest investigation go ahead oh well this is exactly the point because instead of saying you know we have all this evidence that there is russian meddling you know politics and you know setting out what the evidence isn't coming to conclusions all this say is there is no evidence of russian met you know politics that must mean that the intelligence services are not doing their job

properly because even though there is no right. now we. do find it and then i see absolutely right in saying that very aggressively people like us . dare i say the russian government as a well you know no evidence at. that you actually did metal should prove to us that you decent it's it's not marcus was talking about how do you know judicial approach is legal is it a judicial approach it's a well turned on its head it says you know you know we make this search and we bring all these extraordinary denise witnesses people up william browder christopher steele people you know who have their own well known views about russia we don't look beyond books we don't call it academics or insults the british universe is people who you know we know we've got them on all programs look look so

that we have history conceit notion we make an assertion it's not a saturday session not an assertion of facts but there's an old beliefs and then jamal means that the other person the other saw it proves us wrong i think heats it's it's it's alice in wonderland stuff and you know what you are mentions i want to kind of go deeper and. marcus here and be the expert external witness is here i'm reading from the report here and william browder christopher donley lucas christopher. think it's gone to the point of being ludicrous i mean all these people have a right to their opinion but this is the external witnesses they're experts here of one sign of this debate if it's even to make this one and the accusation here i mean shouldn't the writers of this report be embarrassed by this i mean anyone who

watches russian fairs in every respect of how you feel about it with everyone going to the conclusion this is really one sided go ahead mark. well if britain has a free and independent media then it is journalists both for global cost and prince fans want to highlight it to the british public and that these excerpts and i use the words in a very loose way in inverted commas these acts on russia are not all jacksie of individuals when it comes to boston masses wife because for many years now after they have demonstrated his or seriously so who lost they have demonstrated his hostility towards the russian government hostility towards russian foreign policy so they are not objects if it and they are certainly not impartial

but once again what we see in britain is another example another manifestation where british politicians fear were game bolton's so many accusations of any kind whatsoever against lusha know it and they do not have to put forward evidence to support those assertions. mainstream asia will not question they will certainly not ask penetrating questions they will last groups and i see why because this may just santas in britain and also in america peter how can a lapse as that is why british politicians feel they can make any claim against russia because they know british mainstream media is not going to scrutinize what they are saying their money there's no downside of being wrong here ever ok i'm going to be here i'm going to make

a supposition here of course this is this is hostility towards russia and this as the do to bolster nato i do bolster defense spending in the u.k. and in united states i mean in the scene then in. so city of an enemy but there's a kohler area to all of this and i think it's even more insidious because these these the agenda i just mentioned that's going to go on anyway ok we'll talk about china later in the program here but this is really a pitch for censorship and it's ok for the security forces to control free speech to decide what is excess acceptable speech and of course the other point here this is directed right at us here at r.t. you know what absolutely i mean the 1st of those experts i mean this is a tiny group of experts an impartial investigation would call for many many more experts learn and then this and expose little diverse backgrounds and diverse views these people were chosen because they are known to have the views

about russia that they do but you're quite right the only. evidence and i didn't call it and so i used the word in evidence in inverted commas the any actual quotes that all made on made about russian will cost us about our city and about scrutiny and of course hope we see we see a campaign against these broadcasters afterwards and who pursues these increasingly enough the leader of the british labor party coming back to marcus's point who is of course a lawyer he must know when he reads this your absurd it is so charitable i would call him a tool is a very minor but he he has a legal training he has a legal training he must see when he reads this report that his factory that it's the experts behind it are not you know from

a representative pool of russian experts not remotely and yet he's campaigning now for r.t. for its actions and yet taken against oxy. i don't absolutely what is just russian book but his voice is dissident voices and we place and it's really interesting because there is such a thing as off coming in supposed to be it's not supposed to be partisan here now what we're hearing now from the labor party is that it should be. partisan the government should get involved and decide what is a good speech. safe speech security speech for for the public sphere in britain i mean this is going over the line i mean i have my issues with off coming in and now they're going to be shelved aside in the government's going to decide what you can say what you can hear what broadcast mark is that you. well pisa for many years now common has been the british on unsolder british status in an

unofficial sense censorship asians say so there is not a muscle from all soft consol it says that in regards to the labor party it let me tell you this because certain policy is the establishment it is the past year the british establishment the labor party has along at bay in an opposition party controlled by the british establishment indeed soviet diplomats in the 1940 s. in the 1950 s. you saw reports that some also of the labor party is also genuine socialists it is our policy control ideas sanderson now and again the policies led by socialists and ost socialists have to be right freeze on who might who 1st and in recent times very cool but as far as the british assassination is concerned now that she is sama is head in the labor party the labor party in their eyes is back in safe hands ok

well you know i mean there's that report will have delved into the oligarchs russian oligarchs living in the u.k. and how they use their money for political influence and i suppose that will come out in longview right gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that break we'll continue what it's real and stay.

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ok let's go back to one and i was going to be curious my pompei always been very on bombastic i would say in the last few days here east take. a swing at north north stream me and also he's come out very loudly about china here in let me quote you something he said here it's really quite interesting to me china ripped off our prized intellectual property and trade secrets costing millions of jobs across america really tiny did i thought i thought american corporations did that maybe i got this wrong about well you know 1st of all you're right about this i mean it was american corporations who decided shouldn't send their fax a receipt china just to china by the way to make. indonesia talk constant places that's supposed to be you know their business decisions america is the latter free enterprise all through all that's the idea anyway but seriously pay as speech extremely troubling and very very i mean it's. unbelievably

aggressive in its language. paints a picture of china which is so dark i mean i'll not going to say i didn't read just the mail your. earlier though oh i don't well quite without its 8th clean eating into not just us all to do polls between china and the u.s. it's clearly more than just jobs elise she says that god that's a demagogue cast specs of this speech intended. rally american public opinion is complete looking for a long confrontation with china which is now being represented just basically the new soviet union so we're back into more of that all over again it's cold war suit with a vengeance and i have to say i think a lot of people in europe especially will be looking at this and they will be you

know shaking their heads at and sighing and say to themselves oh no not yet because this is one of his biggest trading partner is china it was remember that in italy as gemini's journeys biggest trading partner is china and this one is all about that and of course you have the demagogue statements about china stealing our jobs. china stealing all technology the chinese can't come up with their antic knowledge that's why they're a head who is ahead on flights because the chinese ambassador. or i know that in many cases when it will in western companies want to do business in china is the day they sign a waiver to a lot of their technologies i mean it's not as if it does there's an industrial espionage happened of course it happens now is it me always in my company or thinks it's only one country in the world it doesn't everybody does it are you a part of doing business here let me go to marcus here is one of the things that we

also he said is that the world must change china or china will change us well that's kind of interesting there that's kind of a form of orientalism if i had never heard any go ahead. and i know that. that is a form of passive aggression and that is something of vassals coos the worship be very very alarmed by it but i suspect peter that i have a dissenting voice in all of this yes on the one hand there is clearly growing tension between washington and beijing that manifests itself partly in american military mini this in the south china sea and also the trade war but on the other hand i submit that it is not sit in the interests for either america or china for there to be a further and major serious deterioration in the relationship between the 2

countries because if they was if the economic relationship between the americans and the chinese was to collapse if it was to be settled and then both countries almost overnight would go into recession the chinas projects the one yes and that has a very very large ambitions and i have no doubt it will prove a great amount of money for the chinese but it will not compare to the trading and investment relationship the chinese have with america and i would also say this there are a lot of commentators who are us who can talk about chinese military minds and how the chinese could as americans in the south china sea where yes the chinese military would certainly fight anyone in the world to defend chinese national security but the people's liberation army laments the largest armed forces

museum in the well as this chinese i have progressed when it comes to technological masses and they have done exceedingly well they are still dependent on luster for high-tech and not. for a lot of their. defense systems and also for lesser of generation if china was the cond who are going to who retire harsh you will see the difficulties the chinese will encounter in fighting to a very advanced military that is high around the house so you cannot compare the chinese military to the american military i don't think we're there yet and i think go back to the point you made a minute ago that out of the many years i mean it's the united states that's threatening trade it's not really the beijing doing it i mean. you know it you know the way it's being played out now it's either or it's the china world or it's the

west you know whom i'm watching and sense as me and it's being pushed to look that direction at this point is a very dangerous game of chicken but i don't think anyone wants real confrontation here or what's happening here and it's go back to my point they are he's concerned with nuss or them that's where we are in this struggle right now i'm going to be careful this is exactly because i take all the points that monkey says and you're absolutely right peter if you read the chinese media or does the chinese english language media they are afforded by these events they don't looking for a fight with the united states they're not looking to sever the economic relationship with the united states all of points that mark is making about this being interim mendus of gulf full both the united states and china if they move to an adversarial you know hostile well the chinese themselves and making them am quite ill but the fact is you are discussing this in

a rational way and there is not much rationality in my own case reach there's not much rationality in u.s. policy about china at the moment and other countries there's not these things in. a more rational way the europeans the southeast asians countries like taiwan countries like the seen it means they're looking at all of this and they're being asked to take sides in exactly the way that you say they don't talk it they don't want to talk but that is the world there are people like mike. and it must be set a lot of people in the united states on drug learning a sense that act out on this list all. you have to remember there is much pushback to so it's very messy and they can apocalyptic this time frame which which is completely counterproductive because they're also said beijing has taken so fish

bandage us in western generosity what world is he living it. well this is the same individual pacer who once say openly the cia has overthrown foreign governments now when have you or indeed other western politicians talk about generosity well i suppose generosity has been defined in there are no terms i had a friend could be chinese would find it generous how the americans and the british or the special services or america and britain have interfered in hong kong and have all this traces and are provided assistance to the militants protesters in hong kong i don't think the chinese or indeed any other country in the well us was find it generous that the americans have started this leader ploy elements of lysis to these ngs i don't troll and which is

a restless muslim province in the way in the west in most parts of china so how on earth can my own pierre make the assertion that that america the west in general has been generous but then he takes me back to my points which i made earlier on in this episode my own peers is simply one western politician who knows there is not going to be scrutiny with his comments when it comes to lusha oh it comes to china because american mainstream and major have a simply a tool of the american a saracens and sappho they are not go into question here when it comes to china because american mainstream media is not a free no independent they all use it as a weapon and i would say they are the most potent weapon the west has in its arsenal so as hack countries in the worst which shoot independence from policies

you know it wasn't me here is meeting it's a very interesting confluence of events right now we have the upcoming. american presidential election donald trump is way down in the polls. if hears i think there is a growing consensus that is greatest weakness was the reaction to the corona virus plague of course his administration is pointing all of the blame at china the the recovery is not in the cards or news for the majority of people here china just isn't it is a very convenient card to play right now i would say and it can be it is convenient because there's no pushback as marcus was saying but is extremely dangerous because the interconnection the compilation of the american economy to the asia china's economy is so very very deep and intense nothing like if ever was with russia for example go ahead well you're quite right i mean they receive the atmosphere in the

united states at the moment is extremely feeds it and all this lead there is the political dynamic there is in domestic political dynamic you make china the scapegoat america's fadia to deal with the virus outbreak in fact is part of. home to his speech actually touches on this is all china's all you know things that happened in the way that they have happened and the fact that china dealt with the virus outbreak much more effectively than the u.s. is is another issue but we must understand 2 things about this the drift towards compensation with china has been happening for some time actually started under barack obama's ministration overseas huge the senate race just in the last few months but the drift was already pointing that way and the 2nd is there is no real discussion all disputes in fact that we see in the united states is

a very very strange and single in the financial times main exactly that point i'm wondering. you know when to make a last observation here and i remember the quote the the the 1st cold war with the soviet union and there was a real debate today there is no real debate when it comes to china that's all the time we have i want to thank my guests london i want to thank our viewers for watching as. the sudden and illegal takeover of a government by a small group. rather than revolutionaries or so just condemn small groups the corporations when you have a tiny group of people who have all the power you have to have some means to make

sure they don't get together and take it back. these are sacrificing. places that capitalism exploited and destroyed for profit and left behind misery poverty environmental devastation and so you see things like voter suppression building more prisons you seem gerrymandering all sorts of undemocratic practices were well into that world for well for this. question that the.

the thing is that when you have money printers in charge the act of printing all that paper money to hang around eyes themselves really fills their head with dreams of it's fiat's of primacy that's the ultimate form of supremacy is i print therefore i am and if you can pull the levers of political power with their money if you can acquire assets with their feet that money it gives you that god complex that we have so much of around the world and countries and big corporations and now

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