what you get special lockdown edition of going underground i mean quarantine for 2 weeks coming up in the show a republican presidential nominee who will do anything to stop donald trump becoming president in november we talked to 2020 republican primary challenger and former congressman joe walsh about the cold war legacy that may be left up to donald trump's 1st presidential term as relations between china and the usa it's the lowest point in the decades as one of the greatest english language cartoonists really followed by the new liberal nobody in that attack students on to wiki leaks we get the inside story from steve bell himself drawing a line in the censorship and telling us about dining with u.k. prime minister boris johnson polis and more coming up in this lockdown edition of going underground well let's go straight to joe walsh via skype from chicago is part of the bravery project the former congressman who ran against trump in the primaries joe thanks for coming on the show just tell me 1st of all what the

bravery project is because we've heard of the our vats the lincoln project all these republicans trying to stop donald trump from becoming president in november yashin good to be with you that the bravery project is all about finding republicans and conservatives all around america who all privately believe that donald trump is a moron and he's unfit to be president and we're trying to help bring them out publicly to say what they believe about trump privately to say that publicly he had republicans going against shrum but as you know written a couple of books including what does it. have to be about you know what he said about you you're a one time bad congressman from illinois and then trump said you lost in the 2nd term by a landslide and then you failed in radio you see what trump thinks of you and your attitude to him and not winning in november. it's high praise ask him any time data

will trump goes after you you know you're making a difference look a lot of people have left the republican party we don't talk about that enough donald trump always prattles on about how to 90 percent of republicans support him you know what a lot of people no longer identify as republican trump support is like a sinking ship there are a lot of former republicans and conservatives out there who want nothing to do with them and we hope they'll be brave enough to vote for biden 90 percent is it one is 90 percent of republicans reputedly and you're using coronavirus when that poll rating in journal poll rating would and within the g.o.p. was used using coronavirus against your president do i should add you voted for yeah i voted for him and 16 asked and that's what makes me unusual i'm not one of these original never trumper so i voted for my figure he was

a goof but he might hire a couple good people and maybe a couple good things might happen it became pretty clear to me after he got elected that the man cannot tell the truth and he cannot put the country's interests ahead of his own and america right now my friend with this pandemic we're paying a price about for that donald trump has a lot to us repeatedly about the virus he didn't give a damn he does not give a damn how many americans have died all he cares about is get himself reelected we're paying a price for that. well we invite the u.s. ambassador to london on but junk definitely refutes any allegation that he's lied about coronavirus in fact he says and i'm going to tell you the u.s. coronavirus death by capita rate is far far better in the usa than it is here in britain may i add and come to think of it when you think of foreign policy is us

saying by i mean you say you'd rather than trump have someone who would have taken the american meat to syria would have done another libya would have that's really what you're advocating a method of hillary clinton style foreign policy just keeping it to foreign policy for a 2nd well and i'm for pot look aspect let's let's be clear i am a tea party conservative i don't agree with joe biden may be any issue this is not a box the issues to me we have a guy in the white house who cannot tell the truth we you talk about foreign policy action we have a guy in the white house right now who loves dictators in thought he's putin's puppet he's invited foreign governments to with our elections to screw with our elections donald trump is a traitor that's more important than any issue do i don't like joe biden no but i'm working my ass off for joe biden because donald trump got impeached because he

tried to pressure ukraine to help him cheat in our elections that's a big deal ok as you know the miller report widely seen to exonerate don't trump the maniac is a colony and all then it foreign powers and what you're saying then as a form of tea party activists that you'd. have had someone like biden who were of course was vice president joining the disasters in libya invasion dude rather see dead american soldiers in ridiculous foreign enterprise wars then donald trump in the white house. but then yes even events surely know and gnashing your right on foreign policy i'm i'm i'm not interventionists if i were president we've gotten our troops out of afghanistan 10 years ago look i'm not in the old cat and i don't want to american troops all over the world but we have more troops in the middle east now under donald trump we still have troops in afghanistan under donald trump

that's not trump's a faulty to know the 1st thing about any of this but look man my friend go back to the report if you read the mahler report it's clear donald trump in the trump campaign colluded with russia trump welcomed russian interference in our election you can't have that i don't want this that everything is either an email or a board on the one hand i thought it completely. god no it didn't encourage in your face and he sent the entire. senate of the united states congress is a sham because it didn't didn't support the house on impeachment. the muller report makes clear that donald trump obstructed justice repeatedly the moller report also makes clear that there was collusion and muller was very clear that there wasn't enough collusion to rise to the crime level of a conspiracy but certainly there was enough in there to have impeached him and that

was before what he did with ukraine you know i think the problem the program here is that if you're going to get rid of trump you're going to get rid of those 77000 swing voters in the midwest that got him through the electoral college threshold given that you are saying it was putin in moscow that persuaded those 77000 presumably the russian government say they would democratically elected and donald trump certainly says he was democratically elected it's not a very nice to say to the 77000 voters who clearly did not one in 3 clinton in the white does that it was all putin's facebook ads that somehow got them to vote republican you know we'll never know as you will never know what we do know is this russia interfered in an unprecedented way specifically to help get him elected the difference it made we'll never know here's the deal though donald trump is getting killed in the polls right now that can change but if the election were held

tomorrow biden beats him and biden beats him in the midwest biden kills him in wisconsin pennsylvania and michigan why not because of putin why because donald trump has miserably failed in our response to this virus and people in the midwest like all over the country they know that now that's trump's fault guys it doesn't matter who runs trump's camp. truncheon easy it and he can't keep his mouth shut that's his own fall jump and his people would be the 1st to say this is it's a federal government there is state why health care you can't put it all on the white house but again there you are supporting biden you know that biden didn't even support the segregated schools so basically you're supporting someone who is on the record in accused of being a racist in the white house and the race as well but not trump yeah again ashen you got me man i don't i'm

a tea party conservative joe biden and i don't agree on the issues to me this is more important than the issues when i got out of my almost hopeless primary challenge to tromp burning sanders was in the lead back in february and i said that i'd support bernie sanders i said at the time and i believe that i'd rather have a socialist in the white house than a dictator you can disagree with me but i believe donald trump is a dictator in to me that's a much scarier threat than then some left winger in the white house by definition your view must be in the majority of you add up all the democrats with the republicans you don't like drum but why do you think then that so many institutions in the united states all went along for the right since 2016 as trump did what you say are a terrible things trump says a great achievement. well look i'll be clear i'm no longer

a republican because the republican party has become a cult and i do believe as well and this is an interesting discussion i think the republican party is breaking up i can tell you it is a fact that the vast majority of republicans in congress privately agree with what i say about trump they're afraid to say it publicly because they're it's they're afraid of trump's voters in that's going to continue look i think trump's going to lose but i think donald trump in trump is is still going to dominate the republican party so conservatives like me who don't like trump i think i'm going to be in the world in this for a while well we'll never know what they did in secret i'm going to ask you mike want peo says in public that he once an allied countries to china to some i want to fear and change the communist party of china and we've heard trump joking about china in what is being variously described as so cool cold war tombs do you think

you'll even get to november over legal and some kind of war against china we were thinking he was going to go into it on their own you know i think pomp alun i served with pompei on congress i know pompei i like him i think pompei was talking tough because donald trump doesn't talk tough about china my pompei o rightly talks tough and defends hong kong doesn't there's not one china trump and calling coronavirus the chinese myers. we will call it the chinese virus we'll call it the virus and then in private and in public man since january donald trump is going out of his way he not to blame china for this virus to say nice things about china look he's east puppet just like he's pot putin's puppet the guy loves dictators i don't want a president who loves dictators and what happens if trump wins in november because

trump says and anyway he's tweeted out in the past 24 hours it's rigged it anyway he said rigged election and everyone knows. what he just only what a result of what a thing to say what a new thing for the president to say the reason he's doing that is because he's a he knows he's losing donald trump knows he's probably going to lose and he wants all of his supporters the day after the election to say what he's saying now that it was rigged he wants them to believe that our elections are not legitimate again what a thing is. it's not it's. just like you are with the russians. well not knowing exactly what he should think to say to say to to deal legitimize our own lections before they even happen but again this is an example of trump putting themself before the country he didn't give

a damn about the country all he cares about his downfall and that's why he's in the mess he's in right now joe walsh thank you thank you man after the break is one of britain's most subversive going to miss stephen bell leaving the guardian newspaper under attack for its new liberalism and its alleged lies about judy the sons of jeremy kuhlmann he joins us a picture of all that and dining with the prime minister bar's job all this all coming up on do going underground family that. the world is driven by shaped by the curse of those great. dares thinks. we dare to ask.

about me and by north it's so many people because they copy him he's so good that even such a bad puppy sending. i'm not to kill anybody a good. deal to find that makes the. top live on candy in the in the proving done the n.f.l. to feed the poor. she went on plan to attempt. to deflect some of what you see or claim to the deflection of what is happening. that is going to that when i got up to.

going to your lab that on the morning. about that that you can thank god he got a plan that nothing bad happened. a long long long utils on a lot of those things french along principle i don't. handle a new person and i have to name what did ghandi and old landing. on the seas caused me to ignore you then i'm going to mock you and even join you. welcome back to this lockdown edition of going underground we're going to go now straight to steam belt one of the world's greatest political cartoonists and give me steve i hope you can hear me is the 1st time we doing this lockdown and mission

stuff you mean sacked from the colony and that's what the big reports have been 40 years and the guardian and now you're sacked and want to let's not your fortune was a. great story but of course it isn't true. i'm getting to go shares with the guardian but all my life because i'm afraid i don't know over the last few months several months after negotiating about. my position i'm sure i'm getting your number 70 next year that's not something i will learn next year if i'm still there i'll be 40 years on the guardian at the moment it's coming up to 30 knowing. knowing this eliminated out of the way this leak came from but it was. i think it's a malicious story that somebody wants me to be gone obviously sunday telegraph in the sunday telegraph there is a very some danger and i think i don't think i'm attending to your racism yeah it says complete drivel. there is not a fact you can gain contact me to check the story or to get my reaction i mean

that's that's a given of journalism if you're writing a story about someone you checked with them or even if you're expecting them just to deny completely you at least check with them now he tweeted this and i think about di you like ross i somebody pointed out to because i don't i don't look at twitter that often these days i'm fed up with twitter but. afraid of what my colleague martin right martin rowson rang me and said don't you see always represent twitter so i. was out there bound i already went by now that it is ridiculous tweet saying that i've been sacked for reasons of racism in new jersey and god knows well so do it pretty to tell. so of course like a photo i responded in a sense because he was making your thoughts your statement that. i was it with what i've read you what i did was confirm the story which is stupid of me but actually

i'm stuck between negotiating with a guardian for years nothing was resolved what were all those the only thing that was result was that my contract as it is which is a very big contract with the guardian and this is the reason we really go just because they are introducing swinge in cut so i'm probably the most expensive freelance so we're in negotiation about reducing it wasn't about being sacked for misdemeanors or any kind there's nothing like that that's a question of the right but the guardian served by me and so some. real released a story and this bloke is putting this out on twitter the results are always the stories i don't know i still want to catch hold of him her guardian after next and an ex-wife. i think. as we go every as we got that we're facing our 190 job experience flashed the chapel was you know obviously worried i've been back to all the chapel for many years of the any judge can you do a chapel well at this point the tweet is still open chris williams

a business manager in the sunday telegraph them by the barclay brothers you know i'm just saying he was doing his job he got information he tried to put it out there but the guardian press office himself got in touch with you it's not you did not explain to them what was happening but. it is so that you have the guardian have been remarkably silent about it they haven't received the i'm the only one is the really the problem is because i've already annual contract and i don't know after next year whether or so what we might do i mean i've got to say i'm the best alternative well why wouldn't he we can neatly go from this case and the n.u.j. chapel in the sackings at the guardian the money redundancies to why on a no one checked the story because you've been there that's not and that's my that's my key element my response twitter i sort of receive try to put it i've got a nice list but. people it's usually found for abuse of all sorts when

you said i didn't think id and we're talking about some of the greatest journalists in history in this country he's like yeah cameron you know i think. people going to remember these great journalists and they wouldn't judge karen was a very distinguished journalist i remember sitting next to him as a young whippersnapper at a union meeting regard you know i've i've always worked in brighton some about a dividend always but remarked the arm which everybody don't need to grow up done it all my working life rarely i got to go up there now and again and this is back in the eighty's and it was a big crowd it making about something rather hard it was. that there's lot of people there. and i was i sat next james cameron it was great but i think we actually. don't know so famous you know. walker 20 foreign correspondent yeah it was only during the boom and now seen imperial wars in the united states we're

going to get into any and obviously. that that wallace emerges nothing to do with your current work and you cannot explain your recent cartoons in the wake of the russia report show showing boris johnson. doing whack a mole presumably think coronavirus sic yes stamina and i mean organism kind of buckling does explain why can't sports and can stammer just some buckler actually think he is banning its front bench from coming on my program at the moment and well yeah i. care so i'm not you know i'm not i'm not really the antique i was i was i tend to be more pro corporate so i was sorry to see him go i think corbett was true juiced horribly and abused constantly and lied about and all the rest but he's gone now he's over the last up to good whipping boy i'd like to bring it back at with him a bit more but. but i cannot i guess your story's been performed very well

at prime minister's question of times i'd like to say so you're making your stance that i'm comfortable. but if it was it was it was a strange to suggest or doing that came out of the blue it's very rare the. quite often people will send me ideas this a lot but you know 99 times out of 100 the idea is you know just don't work with the person and sort of suggest you know. you care stumble across somebody but. i think they're sort of like sorry if i had because there is something. body's eyes without rabbit in the headlights look so a very worried look don't cry no it's price plump and rick chunky jaw he's got and he's got this amazing little right in tune with the fact that he's often so often i'm like you know we call when congratulating the government on its response to coronavirus or one eminent. party that is about the idea of i'm here to serve i'm

the leader of the loyal opposition it's that kind of thing which is you know of course is is that his role but there is a point where you do have to. you do have to come company from the government in some ways but he's been very good at rattling orus i mean doris's just doesn't know what to do about it he sees totally screwed so i think in that regard but i think in the long term if i sort of butler actually i've made even so a jeeves like carrot is called keef's now geez i was brought up on page you would alice books about jeeves and about lord emsworth a newspaper i used to skive off school to rate because he was i love page with us and i love jesus i love. now he's in the black ink a poster thing was there was a nice sort of bumbling character my stroke. is not so nice

to ski season really quite unpleasant obvious think given very easy to discern when you can tune it back into an asset and there was an evil there with tony blair you can see he has a degree i mean well one of the name you know i'm just thinking martha johnson is just a bumbling incompetent specially when it comes to cartoons where you have bumbling uncovered i just i'm as a bum you know it's gone but it's the great mark of her i don't even bother to draw actually i'll tell you about boris my relationship with boris goes down back quite a long way and usually i actually worked for boris so many years when he was as respected actor. a year as my cartoons regularly. he came to make the he like mark work this is back in about 2000 when during the blair again as it were when the tories all right out in the cold and why would they be interested in a severe lefty obsessive like me were puzzled me at the time but it was

a you know i was doing the guardian time but it was nice to be noticed by somebody else and i didn't. see anything easy or you might be emptied into protecting some i need nathan brown to meet me and what i what i'm told you know. but it's not james intended nor is any senator always a journalist but since he's become a prime minister he said he's like it is our strong like susan is a very good customer who's very good. you know he took the old pif very well and. he didn't interfere at all the only spiked one which he got it. and used me regularly for several years to have a deep knowledge of boris deeper than any other prime minister or political leader because i've met you i had lunch with it once i gave him. go but as i said how to conduct his life he didn't listen but well you know it's just it he

in his own carry. on a personal way a personal level a gunfight with political and i says we all think about political commentary i mean you're ripping the people. for their people think you're just doing it because they look a sting but what you're doing is you're attacking the public persona. so in a sense me doing him is a simple you might think a but it's a kind of way of depersonalizes so get rid of the fact that i actually used to work . but i'm just wondering if you're not good for it oh i'm sorry sir boreas your house or if you're being an arse chorus your house last night. communicate with boris again is about progress 7 years ago it's funny but some artwork offer is great and to be out it was quite obvious if it was the overt but you know what can you say. i don't see it was the founder evil because of that with him on a personal level but you know hitler was kind to dogs mark johnson is no hitler no

one's going to say that just very briefly human the people who have been in movie worrying about you know being in the guardian the usual question on things getting kind and more respectful to politicians and people seek to ban satire that is too mischa's it can sing like that and there is a bit of a crisis in that have you had to cut to the script and that's an ongoing problem because. we're all freelancers very few stars i think perhaps. you might find light creative work so might start as everybody else everybody else is free their own stuff just i've never been offered a soft job in all the years thought nearly 40 years of it work the guardian. so you're slightly below this so i'll be on the payroll something in some ways that it works to our mutual benefit because the guardian and i have mutual tonight a part of it. which is sort of gloriously showed in this most recent evans arbor

though it was neither of us quite know what's going on and i don't know we're going to know either we're going to break it was in may seem well thank you openly you will be joining us in the studio when we stop doing lockdown additions are going underground that's the finishing there will be back on saturday again in the lock down edition to join us on social media to let. the sudden forced and illegal takeover of the government by a small group. rather than the revolutionaries or so just condemn small groups the operation when you have a tiny group of people who have all the power you have to have some means to make sure the rest of us don't get together and talk about. these are sacrificing.

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