say it the lowest point in decades as one of the greatest english language cartoonists really funded by the new liberal realty in that attack students on to wiki leaks we get the inside story from steve bell himself drawing a line in the censorship and telling us about dining with the prime minister boris johnson polis and more coming up in this lockdown edition of going underground well let's go straight to joe walsh shoes via skype from chicago is part of the bravery project the former congressman who ran against trump in the primaries joe thanks for coming on the show just tell me 1st of all what the bravery project is because we've been out of the our vats the lincoln project all these republicans trying to stop donald trump from becoming president in november yashin good to be with you that the bravery project is all about finding republicans and conservatives all around america who all privately believe that donald trump is

a moron and he's unfit to be president and we're trying to help bring them out publicly to say what they believe about trump privately to say that publicly he had republicans going against shrum but as you know written a couple of books including what does it. have to be about you know what he said about you you're a one time bad congressman from illinois and then trump said you lost in the 2nd term by a landslide and then you failed in radio you see what trump thinks of you and your attitude to him and not winning in november. type praise asked him any time data would trump goes after you you know you're making a difference look a lot of people have left the republican party we don't talk about that enough that will trump always prattles on about how to 90 percent of republicans support him you know what a lot of people no longer identify as republican trump support is like

a sinking ship there are a lot of former republicans and conservatives out there who want nothing to do with them and we hope they'll be brave enough to vote for biden 90 percent because it was 90 percent of republicans reputedly and you're using coronavirus when that poll rating internal poll rating we didn't within the g.o.p. was used using coronavirus against your president do i should add you voted for. yeah i voted for him and 16 actually met soit makes me unusual i'm not one of these original never tried person i voted for my figure he was a goof but he might hire a couple good people and maybe a couple good things might happen it became pretty clear to me after he got elected that the man cannot tell the truth and he cannot put the country's interests ahead of his own and america right now my friend with this pandemic we're paying a price about for that donald trump has

a lot to us repeatedly about the virus he didn't give a damn he does not give a damn how many americans have died all he cares about is get himself reelected we're paying a price for that. well we invite the u.s. ambassador to london on but junk definitely refutes any allegation that he's lied about corona virus in fact he says and i'm going to tell you the u.s. coronavirus death by capita rate is far far better in the usa than it is here in britain may i add and come to think of it when you think of foreign policy has us saying by i mean say you'd rather than trying to have someone who would have taken the american meat to syria would have done another libya would have that's really what you're advocating a method of hillary clinton style foreign policy just keeping it to foreign policy for a 2nd well and i'm for part look aspect let's let's be clear i am

a tea party conservative i don't agree with joe biden may be any issue this is not a bug the issues to me we have a guy in the white house who cannot tell the truth we you talk about foreign policy action we have a guy in the white house right now who loves dictators in thought he's putin's puppet he's invited foreign governments to with our elections to screw with our elections donald trump is a traitor that's more important than any issue do i don't like joe biden no but i'm working my ass off for joe biden because donald trump got impeached because he tried to pressure ukraine to help him cheat in our elections that's a big deal ok as you know the miller report widely seen to exonerate don't trump the maniac as they all have all done it foreign powers and what you're saying then as a form of tea party activists that you'd. have had someone like biden who were of course

was vice president during the disastrous libya invasion dude rather see dead american soldiers in ridiculous foreign enterprise wars then donald trump in the white house. what the yes even and surely no gnashing your right on foreign policy i'm i'm i'm not interventionists if i were president we'd gotten our troops out of afghanistan 10 years ago look i'm not in the okada and i don't want american troops all over the world but we have more troops in the middle east now under donald trump we still have troops in afghanistan under donald trump that's not trump's faulty to know the 1st thing about any of this but look man my friend go back to the report if you read the mahler report it's clear donald trump in the trump campaign colluded with russia trump welcomed russian interference in our election you can't have that i don't want is that even if it was either an email or a board on the one hand i thought it completely. god no it didn't encourage in your

face is anything the entire. senate of the united states congress is a sham because it didn't it didn't support the house on impeachment. the muller report makes clear that donald trump obstructed justice repeatedly the moller report also makes clear that there was collusion and muller was very clear that there wasn't enough collusion to rise 7 to the crime level of a conspiracy but certainly there was enough in there to have impeached him and that was before what he did with ukraine you know i think the problem the program here is that if you're going to get rid of trump you've got to get rid of those 77000 swing voters in the midwest that go in through the electoral college threshold given that you are saying it was putin in moscow the persuaded those 77000 presumably the russian government say they would democratically elected and donald

trump certainly says he was democratically elected it's not a very nice to say to the 77000 voters who clearly did not one in 3 clinton in the white does that it was all putin's facebook ads that somehow got them to vote republican you will never know as you will never know what we do know is this russia interfered in an unprecedented way specifically to help get him elected the difference it made we'll never know here's the deal though donald trump is getting killed in the polls right now that can change but if the election were held tomorrow biden beats him and biden beats him in the midwest biden kills him in wisconsin pennsylvania and michigan why not because of putin why because donald trump has miserably failed in our response to this virus and people in the midwest like all over the country they know that now that's trump's fault guys it doesn't

matter who runs trump's camp. ain't truncheon any it and he can't keep his mouth shut that's his own fall jump and his people would be the 1st to say this is it's a federal government they're a state why health care you can't put it all on the white house but again there you are supporting biden you know that biden didn't even support the segregated schools so basically is supporting someone who is a on the record in accused of being a racist in the white house and the racist well by not true. yeah again ashen you got me man i don't i'm a tea party conservative joe biden and i don't agree on the issues to me this is more important than the issues when i got out of my almost hopeless primary challenge to tromp burning sanders was in the lead back in february and i said that i'd support bernie sanders i said at the time and i believe that i'd rather have a socialist in the white house than

a dictator you can disagree with me but i believe donald trump is a dictator in to me that's a much scarier threat then then some left winger in the white house by definition your view must be in the majority of you add up all the democrats with the republicans you don't like drum but why do you think then that so many institutions in the united states all went along for the right since 2016 as trump did what you say terrible things of what trump says a great achievement. well look i'll be clear i'm no longer able publican because the republican party has become a cult and i do believe as well and this is an interesting discussion i think the republican party is breaking up i can tell you it is a fact that the vast majority of republicans in congress privately agree with what i say about trump they're afraid to say it publicly because they're it's they're

afraid of trump's voters and that's going to continue look i think trump's going to lose but i think donald trump in trump is is still going to dominate the republican party so conservatives like me who don't like trump i think i'm going to be in the wilderness for a while well we'll never know what they did in secret i'm going to ask you mike want peo says in public that he wants an allied countries to china to some go into fear and change the communist party of china and we've heard trump joking about china in what is being variously described as so cool cold war tombs do you think you'll even get to november overly launch some kind of war against china we were thinking it was going to launch one on their own you know i think pompei oh and i served with pompei on congress i know pompei i like em i think pompei was talking tough because donald trump doesn't talk tough about china my pompei

o rightly talks tough and defends hong kong doesn't there's not one china trump calling coronavirus the chinese virus. we will call it the chinese virus we'll call it the virus and then in private and in public man since january donald trump is going out of his way he not to blame china for this virus to say nice things about china look he's east puppet just like he's pot putin's puppet the guy loves dictators i don't want a president who loves dictators and what happens if trump wins in november because trump says and anyway he's tweeted out in the past 24 hours it's rigged it anyway he said rigged election and everyone knows. what he just only what a result of what a thing to say what a new thing for the president to say the reason he's doing that is because he's he knows he's losing donald trump knows he's probably going to lose and he wants all

of his supporters the day after the election to say what he's saying now that it was rigged he wants them to believe that our elections are not legitimate again what a thing is. it's not it's. just like you are with the russians. well not knowing exactly what he should think to say to say to to deal legitimize our own lections before they even happen but again this is an example of truong putting themself before the country he didn't give a damn about the country all he cares about is donald trump and that's why he's in the mess he's in right now joe walsh thank you thank you man. after the break is one of britain's most subversive going to missed steve bell leaving the guardian newspaper under a tent for its new liberalism and its alleged lies about judy the sons of jeremy kuhlmann he joins us a picture of

a little letter and named with prime minister blair is jokes and all this all coming up on do going underground look family edition. we go to work you straight home. i'm gonna be in by north it's funny people because a cop beat him he's so bored that even such a bad cop be sending. i'm not hill to anybody in. the

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do mock you then they will join you. chose seemed wrong but old rules just don't hold. any old belief yet to shape out these days to come out ahead and in games from it because betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. welcome back to this lockdown edition of going underground we're going to go now straight to steam belt one of the world's greatest political cartoonists and give me steve i hope you can hear me the 1st time we doing this not than any nation

stuff you mean factor in the colony and that's what the big reports i mean 40 years at the guardian and now you're sacked and watching that's not true fortune which is a. great story belfour to it is true. of getting to go show you the guardian but all my life because i'm a freelance and over the last few months several months i've been negotiating about . my position i'm sure i'm getting your number hit 7 to next year and i will that next year if i'm still there i'll be 40 years on the guardian at the moment it's coming up to 30 you know i mean. i know i mean i'm still going to the way this leak came from but it was i think it's a malicious story that somebody wants me to be gone over something sunday telegraph the sunday telegraph there is a very some danger and i think i think time it isn't even the on racism it says complete drivel. there is not

a fact you can gain contact me to check the story or to get my reaction i mean that's that's a given of journalism if you're writing a story about someone you check with them or even if you're expecting them just to do i can pretty you at least check with them now he tweeted this and i think about it do you like ross i somebody called yeah because i don't i don't look at twitter that often these days i'm fed up with twitter but. i've got my colleague martin write much erosive write me so i don't do you say oh he's represent twitter so i. was out there bound i already went by now that this is ridiculous tweet saying that i've been sacked for reasons of racism in which. god knows well so you do it pretty to tell. so of course like a full responded and said because he was making your course your statement that. i was where frankly what i did was confirm the story which is stupid of me but

actually i'm stuck between negotiating with the guardian for years nothing was resolved what were all those the only thing that was a result was that my contract as it is which is a very big contract the guardian and this is the reason we really go just because they are introducing swinge in cut so i'm probably the most expensive freelance so we're in negotiation about reducing it wasn't about being sacked for misdemeanors or any kind there's nothing like that that's a question of the right but the guardian served by me and so some. real released a story and this bloke is putting this out on twitter the results are always the stories i know i still want to cancel the q. her guardian after next and the next april i think. and as we go every hasn't gone because we're facing 190 job experience flashed the chapel is you know obviously worried i've been active on the chapel for many years of the n.u.j. chapel and using a chapel well at this point between just 11 chris williams and business manager in

the sunday telegraph them by the barclay brothers you know i'm just saying he was doing his job he got information he tried to put it out there and they got him present himself got in touch with its name did not explain to them what was happening with. it so they have the guardian have been remarkably silent about it they haven't refuted the i'm the only one is the really the problem is because i've already annual contract and i don't know after next year whether i'll still while they might do i mean i've got to say i'm the best alternative well why wouldn't he need to go from this case and the n.u.j. chapel in the sackings at the guardian that money redundancies to. why on earth no one checked the story because you being there that's not a that's my that's my grammar and my response. to it i sort of receive try to sort it out and i used to be honest but. people go it's usually sort of. fruit juice of

all sorts when you set it at the guardian which will be about some of the great instrumentalists in history in this country you know like just cameron you know absolutely. yeah people that remember these great journalism they wouldn't judge karen was a very distinguished i remember sitting next to him as a young. actor you your mates regard you know i've always worked in brighton some. debate i've always bert remarked the arm which everybody knows i grew up down in all my working life but rarely i got to go up there now and again. and this is back in the eighty's and it was a big crowd it makes you about something or are current members of this club or people there. and i was i sat next james cameron it was great but i think we actually. don't know so famously you know. course when a foreign correspondent yeah there's only been and now seen imperial wars in the

united states we're going to get intending and obviously. that all of this immersion nothing to do with your current work and you cannot explain your recent cartoons in the wake of the russia report show showing boris johnson. doing whack a mole presumably can coronavirus secure stamina and organise some kind of buckling does explain why can't sports against downwards just some buckler actually say he is banning its front bench from coming on my program at the moment and well yeah i . care so i'm not you know i'm not i'm not very good at the antique i was i was always tense we. pro cauldrons i was sorry to see it go i think corbin was traduced horribly and abused constantly and lied about and all the rest of it and what he's got now is over the last ep to get a whipping boy i think i'd like to bring it back with him

a bit more but. but i've got nothing it's scare stories been perform very well at prime minister's question times i'd like to say to you making doris jones that i'm comfortable. but it was it was it was a strange this is a suggestion of doing that came out of the blue very rare the. quite often people will send me ideas this happens a lot but 99 times out of 100 the ideas you know just don't work and person sort of suggested you know who you kissed alex or somebody. and it just blanks only in my head because there is something. about his eyes it's with that rabbit in the headlights look so a very worried look don't cry no it's price plump and rick chunky jaw he's got and he's got this amazing little regen thing with exactness he's often so often i'm like you know we call them congratulating the government on its response to

coronavirus or one in one. party that is about the idea of i'm i'm here to serve i'm the leader of the loyal opposition it's that kind of thing which is you know of course is is that his role but there is a point where you do have to. you do have to part company from the government in some ways but he's been very good at rattling or is i mean doris's just doesn't i want to do about it he seems totally screwed so i think in that regard but i think in the long term if i sort of butler actually i've made even so a jeeves like carrot is called keef's now geez i was brought up on page you would house books about jeeves and about. lord emsworth a newspaper i used to skive off school to rate p.g. would i love page without and i love jesus i love. now it seems like ink the numbers like a post i think wish there was a nice so bumbling character my worst stroke. is not so nice

to ski season really quite unpleasant obvious think given very easy to discern when you can get back into a damn fast check and there was an evil there with tony blair you can see he was a degree of evil one of the name you know just thinking hard johnson is just a bumbling incompetent specially when it comes to cartoons where you have bumbling uncovered ideas to me as a bum bum but it's a great motivator i don't even bother to draw actually i'll tell you about boris my relationship with boris goes down back quite a long way and usually i actually worked for boris so many years when he was as respected actor. a year as my cartoons regularly he came to marry he he liked my work this is back in about 2000 when during the blair examinee as it were when the tories all right out in the cold and why would they be interested in a sort of a lefty obsessive like me were probably at the time but it was

a you know i was doing the guardian time but it was nice to be noticed by somebody else and i didn't know. there is anything or you might be able to do to protect and so might lead nathan to go around to every house where i was. told you know. but we're going to change into your stories as if there is a journalist but since he's become a prime minister he said he's like it is our strong like susan is a very good customer he was very good. you know he took the old pif very well and. he didn't interfere at all the only spiked one which he got it. and the use we were . for several years to have a deep knowledge of gore is deeper than any other prime minister or political leader because i've met you i had lunch with it once i gave him. that thought so how to conduct his life we didn't listen but well you know it's just it

he in his own carry. on a personal way a personal level a gunfight with political and i says we all think about political commentary i mean you're ripping the people. for their people think you're just doing it because they look a sting but what you're doing is you're attacking the public persona so in a sense me doing them is a simple you might think it a but it's a kind of way of depersonalizes so get rid of the fact that i actually used to work . for it all i'm saying is there is or is your house or if you're paying enough or if your house last time i communicate with boris again it's about progress 7 years ago it's funny but some artwork of is great and the out was quite beautifully with the over it but you know what can you say. i don't see it was the founder evil because i've dealt with him on

a personal level but you know hitler was kind to dogs mark johnson is no hitler no one's going to say that just very briefly and you mean the people who have been in movie worrying about you know being in the guardian at the usual question on things getting kind and more respectful to politicians and people seek to ban satire that is to mention it can seem like that and there is a there's a bit of a crisis in that how do you have to cut to news get paid and that's an ongoing problem because. we're all freelance and it's very few stars i think perhaps. you might find like creative work so my stuff is everybody else everybody else is for a lot of their own stuff i've never been offered a staff job in all the years for nearly 40 years a bit like the guardian. so you're slightly below the so obvious on the title or something in some way that it works to our mutual benefit because the guardian and i have mutual. gloriously shared in this most recent avatar but

none of us know there are quite know what's going on and i don't know either who leaked it it wasn't a theme well thank you hopefully you'll be joining us in the studio when we stop doing lockdown addition to going underground that's an issue that will be back home saturday again in the lock down edition joining us on social media. every crisis in america has been packaged as a bond and sold into the junk bond market with a longer maturity at

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welcome to our viewers from around the world live from central london this is all to u.k. . the government's response to the current homes crisis including the discharge of patients with out tests is condemned as reckless and the pooling even negligent if not for my health service trusts. the british secret service is forced to apologize after its spies tried to interfere in a license to kill case and stop a judge reading secret papers from a 5 officer. i would suggest the u.k. is making 2 particularly is the sort of very british to start cable next and it needs tightening up the british economy faces a double shot with brakes it's set to hit the industries which managed to avoid the impact of code 19 speaking to a form of break to party m.e.p.

. that scotland's policing body speaks out against a new hate crime bill over concerns the force will have to decide what constitutes free speech but are the measures necessary different both sides of the debate. the british government's response to the covert 19 crisis in care homes was both reckless and appalling according to an influential parliamentary group the report by the public accounts committee condemns the discharge of patients from hospitals without tests even accusing those in power of negligence or because shut it was dusty joins me here in the studio so shoddy a damning verdict but this time from m.p.'s themselves absolutely thrown to the wolves where the words of senior m.p.'s themselves today on how the u.k.'s caffe

homes were treated throughout this entire pandemic now the damning assessment comes after the public accounts committee published every port today and it read. it's the 1st glimpse the 1st look of how the sector how bad the sector really came out there out this covert 19 crisis that found that the government's approach was inconsistent and out worse negligent and today make hillier the chairwoman of the public accounts committee she came out to say that the report ready to show that the national response was not good enough the failure to provide adequate p.p. testing to the millions of starving volunteers who risked their lives to help us through the 1st peek of the crisis is a sad low moment in our national response our care homes were effectively thrown to the wolves and the virus has ravaged some of them we weren't prepared for the 1st wave putting all else aside government must use the narrow window we have now to

plan for a 2nd wave lives depend upon getting our response right. so inconsistent reckless and of poor lingo used to describe the way in which patients were discharged into care homes without any knowledge of whether or not the patient had 19 now a massive 25000 hospital patients in england and wales will move to care homes to free up space as i say no covert 900 test it also found years of inattention and funding cuts by successive governments have left social care worse for wear and that the government was aware of all of this but failed to change its policy and i want top of all of this i was also a lack of information surrounding costs and contracts for example the nightingale hospital which was built for the diverse remained completely empty throughout the demick now the committee also points to failures within the p.p. and the equipment provided to frontline staff not to mention of course the lack of a testing throughout this entire pandemic particularly those on the frontline and

patients as well as we know the failures within the care home sector has long been the epicenter of this entire pandemic if we call someone's back to the start of lockdown being overheard or a start in the prime minister's saying that care homes would be relatively unaffected as we know now cutting forward a few months we know that care homes were simply being affected the absolute worst and then more recently boris johnson the prime minister earlier this very month he tried to shift the blame onto the care home saying that they simply weren't doing their jobs properly. one of the things that the crisis has shown is that we need to think about how we organize our social care package beto if you remember and how we make sure we look after people better who are in a social care i think has been there was it we discovered a too many care homes didn't really follow the procedures in the way that they they could have but we're learning lessons the whole time one of the most about things

is to is to fund them probably top of another 600000000 into code compliant care homes but we'll also be looking at ways to make sure that the care sector long term is properly organized and supported so that that absolutely crucial part of people's lives is is is is properly cared for of ours johnson has also made other comments and went on to blame medical professionals for discharging patients out despite charter buses calling his comments clumsy and cowardly boris johnson the prime minister has refused to apologize but today the department of health has said that it is investing more money into discharging prices alongside an extra 1300000000 to support the hospital discharge process we have provided 172000000 items of p.p. to the social care sector since the start of the pandemic and are testing all residents and stuff including repeat testing pissed off investments in care homes

for over $65.00 or those with dementia we know there is a need for a long term solution for social care and we will bring forward a plan that put social care on a sustainable footing to ensure the reforms will last long into the future. well the report has suggested some recommendations including improving the discharge process it does want to response from the government by the end of the summit just in time we expect a 2nd wave of the current a virus pandemic shot here thank you for all of that well former health service trust chairman roy lily says that the care home sector is very fragile and urgent action is needed. carob sector is in a mess it needs consolidation it needs new money and now there is a there was talk at the weekend of a well from a policy paper saying you know what can be taken back into the are taken into the n.h.s. and the whole of social care run by the n.h.s.

so it's true that it is a very fragile sector as well lessons been learned from this report because the m.p.'s also want to have a potential 2nd wave which could be here already and yet will anything change has anything changed well look if you look at the numbers across your bill i mean i think we're out of the 1st phase yes to be honest i think planes go to france now they are numbers 1.3 germany they've got 3900 cases a day here we've got a hot spots popping up everywhere i don't think i'm not i'm not ready for the 2nd wave yet because i don't think we're out of the 1st wave is the end i just better prepared so there's no question these loans and very tough lessons now is just the it's 1st encounter with courage we better stop now b.p. which was a key thing and we've ramped up testing to about 300000 tests today so in as much as we can be prepared i think we probably are or what about care homes. i think

they're still fragile i think they are i think they work at the margins of profitability somewhat not right to the last because the surely that government or local authorities will pay or absolutely at the margins you've got other care homes that are run by big international control merits and they've got arrangements with a central hits overseas into tax havens i mean the whole frankly the whole care home business needs a good sort of at the top a ring of steel around them but really extreme shielding in effect. yes i mean the business model needs to be sorted out they need to have a real big injection of clinical care not just you know well meaning well intentioned care they need nurses working in care homes because there was a time when you're going to just be looked after the margins of what you needed to know or care of people with multiple but it is lots of things wrong with them and they very strongly. to discuss us all further i'll be joined by a care homes expert and author of numerous whistleblower reports aileen chopra that

will be in the next hour here on r.t. coming. britain's secret intelligence service has been forced to apologize after its agents tried to inappropriately interfere and a license to kill case to m i 6 officers tried to stop members of investigatory powers tribunals including a senior charge of reading key documents the case involved alleged crimes linked to m i 5 the domestic security service the watchdog which oversees these by agencies said that telephone calls made by agents amount to inappropriate interference from an m i 5 operative any measure on told me that the only surprise is that we're hearing about it. well is that the unprecedented that it's been made public you know good for season a call whether or not we should call it just calling out intelligence agencies or actually sort of whistle blowing but all credit to her the investor repairs tribunals has been in place for 20 years and they have helped held very very few cases but certainly the ones that they have upheld have been staggering most

notably the kidnapping of abdel hacking bell hards from the far east back to libya to torture for 6 years and he finally won a case against the british government and won an apology from them for that treatment because m i 6 with neck deep in the case they had arranged his extradition they were congratulating the libyans on being able to get their hands on this core man and they tortured him and his wife so this sort of stuff goes on all the time in the background and very very seldom do we have to really hear about the dirty deals that are done behind the scenes so for the i p t to actually reveal this i think it's very interesting well ticky this time when the brits are trying to strengthen the secrecy and in arsenals even rights groups brought to the case to try to get exact details about any guidelines that could direct agents to commit crimes in terms of the interference the judge presiding lord justice seeing admitted that something had gone seriously wrong and emotion

thinks it's time for a radical overhaul. well america used an interesting case because they had much more oversight built into their working system whereby you could go all the way through the management system of the organization you're working for and then take it to a congressional hearing and in fact some of the most famous american whistleblowers over the last 2 decades have done and yet then despite going through all the requisite channels they've still been arrested you know snatched out of their homes and threaten with well that's 5 years in prison so there is no perfect oversight mechanism but i would suggest that the u.k. is back in particularly is a sort of very british historic terrible mess and it needs tightening up not in the way they're trying to do at the moment which is to tighten up penalties for whistle blowing but actually tightening up oversight and providing proper channels for people with ethical concerns to avoid this kind of whistleblowers and to prove the work of us by agencies do. reporters for the british economy is likely to face

a double shock from bricks in on top of the devastation caused by covert 19 the london school of economics claims that while up to 80 percent of businesses have already been negatively impacted by the pandemic others are yet to fili economic impacts of the end of the transition period is research is a calling for a sector by sector assessment. well the report details the industry's most impacted by covert 900 such as accommodation and food services transport the arts and entertainment it also records those hit or less hard such as the professional technical and scientific industries where home working is an option but those industries are also among those expected to be hit by bricks that goods linked to those sectors and metrical equipment chemicals and textiles manufacturing are among those expected to suffer particularly if a free trade deal isn't ratified in time where despite the threat of grave economic consequences e.u. and u.k.

ministers are still struggling to agree on a trade deal the chief negotiator says an agreement was unlikely by the end of the year citing competition and fisheries as a major point of disagreement britain has ruled out extending the transition deadline raising the possibility of leaving without a deal. because talks lag behind shared jule britain is set to sign its 1st post breaks a trade agreement with the permed within weeks britain's trade secretary hopes the agreement will offer the u.k. a range of benefits including reduced costs for japanese technology well to discuss this further former party m.e.p. nathan gill joins me now nathan good to see you now here we have a double whammy for the economy coronavirus and then breaks it. as the l.s.c. of being tell it as ever since we started talking about the referendum and britain leaving the e.u. it's been all doom and gloom and quite frankly i'm just afraid that we've been hearing about the boy who cried wolf way too much from these people let's look at

the positives let's look at what we can do let's look at the big bullet that we just dogged with the e.u. recovery fund where germany's had to pay $133000000000.00 euros into a fund set bail out the rest of the e.u. even tiny little island is having to pay $16000000000.00 euros into the spend if we were still in the e.u. as a 100000000000 euros at least that would be having to pay to prop up the rest of the e.u. we can be using that money to help our industry to make sure that we get these trade deals that the one that we're going to be announcing japan very soon and and we can push and help our industry but you know this other prats of things bill that we can be doing we can actually say no more v.a.c. on british made by british that's a huge campaign let's be positive instead of constantly looking at negatives trying to keep as in an institution that we voted to leave 4 years ago and this transition

period when it ends on the sets of 1st of december that say we must leave want to wait outside law that's it i mean you've brushed aside the concerns of bracks itself but a no deal we are told would be evil worse than both what we're being told all along bill would be you know i've been appearing on your show now for 56 years and all along we've been told and threatened by how terrible this is going to be but we are at that nimble nimble ship of state we can adjust and adapt british industry always has we always will yes there's a terrible situation right now in britain we've got. but this is tell the situation in the entire world and we need to adapt and that's not looking close to home let's look at ways in which our own industries can stop providing the goods that we've been buying from china and from all over the rest of the world you know people are

serious about climate change and a carbon footprint well let's stop producing things here and given our own people work and let's set things in. place right now ready for when we need to do that and i think that the government has been a bit toddy with they have been you know they're known about this since 2016 and been dragging their feet and dragging the free hoping that somehow it was going to be overturned it hasn't been we've now got a proper break city governments in place they've had lots of distractions we've coded but quite frankly we've got to plan now for post post a new membership and let's get things in scituate right so the church so postbox already we're seeing signs of a japan deal quite close now but both accounts as a worse deal than the e.u. japan one so that won't really make up for lost trade with europe with it just very briefly no no because not one nation but there is you know there's 200 something

nations out there let's start getting deals with all of these countries. at the end of the day we just want to trade with the well that's freely as we can that's what we've said all along without having to pay them a membership tree whoever it is and without having to accept all of their rules and their laws and we've we can do that with europe and if we can do that with russia and we can do that with japan then let's do that let's be a nation of trade but let's at the same time see what we can do in house own people without having to import goods from all over the wild nathan gill thank you very much good to talk to you today on r.t. . well for a different perspective on this issue i'll be joined by a brics at the visor that will be in the next hour well still to come this hour. a scottish policing group says a new law to criminalize stirring up hatred could force officers to make decisions on free speech and undermine public trust we'll hear from both sides of the debate very shortly.

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you cannot be both with me yeah you know what. my. conservative media tell us is the political left in the united states has become radicalized libby joe biden what if you're in an era of socialism profoundly changing the country on the other hand biden and many in his orbit claim nothing would fundamentally change so we should visit or is it as always just because. the group representing scottish police officers has criticised the nation's proposed hate crime legislation saying it would lead to officers making decisions all want isn't isn't free speech in submissions to to true devolved government

inquiries the scottish police federation said the new power was a too vague want to tempt and force would undermine trust in the force it argues existing laws are capable of tackling racism and discrimination. we all firmly of the view that this proposed legislation would see officers policing speech and would devastate the legitimacy of the police in the eyes of the public the bill would move even further from policing in criminalising of deeds and not to the potential policing of what people think or feel as well as the criminalization of was said in private. the bill wants to make stirring up hatred a criminal offense even if the comments were said in private or not intended to incite violence it covers areas such as age race sexual orientation religion disability and transgender identity now those convicted could face 7 years in prison but these government maintains that freedom of expression is being protected people will still be able to express controversial challenging or even offensive

views as long as this is not done in a frightening or abusive way but is intended to stir up hatred or likely to stir up hatred the bill includes provisions on freedom of expression to ensure the prohibition on stirring up hatred will not unduly restrict people's right to express their faith or to criticize religious beliefs or practices or sexual practices. so is the bill necessary to curb hate or is the price too much to pay for freedom of expression to talk about this now i'm joined by former police officer pletikosa and human rights barrister peter herbert thank you both for joining us baedeker come firstly the police already have issues in forcing hate speech laws but the scottish government thinks that this will clarify things yes the discourse governments are taking an initiative to tidy up the lord around i hate crime offenses which to be frank needs tidying up is a bit of

a mishmash you know with some personal characteristics being protected or some advances and not by others. the whole thing is crying out for its r.d.o. . they also claim that it's tightening laura certainly is it's creating the offense of using throw in abuse or assault same language and behavior with intent to or likely to cause the stirring up of outrage against various personal characteristics. that is a new way of betraying the offense and it's certainly a new offense and much lower level on the scale of anything similar to that existed before which were done at the sort of the level of people causing public rallies and things like that so far more difficult to prove in a formal serious offense now so an extended one down to the bottom of the sky is a hermit as a human rights lawyer are the concerns about free speech valid. well there's always

concerns about freedom of speech that is a given it's a balancing of rights but i think these guys bottom and house has the balance right is that it is always tipped too far in favor of not being able to get paid speech and certainly when i was vice chair of much foreign police authority i said of the 1st race a forum in london and we found time and time again that the hate speech legislation was too weak it was it affected that hardly anybody was ever prosecuted and so that the concerns have been expressed of federation rights that i'd say on board they've got a right to express them that's their freedom but what we found is that the incident substance and georgia square in with black cloud far right groups clearly either speaking in private and knowing that those monsters would be publicly broadcast on you tube or elsewhere those should be prosecuted the defense is that having an intentional that you like you're likely to think racial hatred will be stirred up

must be viewed or any other sort of hatred if you don't know objective basis i don't know what about comments made in private not you talk about public elaborate plot is that you you may recall many years ago there was a quarter of london judge mission and he made a comment about murder 6 and he said it was a private states give it a private dinner for lawyers and judges that doesn't matter if those comments are repeated and broadcast the people who make them know full well they have the ability to be broadcast widely on social media. therefore you have to balance those rights of the freedom of free speech which is an inherent right against the damage that can be caused to wider society right and not job then to balance those rights . is up to a police officer is it not in the initial stages no it's not obviously in and that single acting upon the laws provided and use the powers provided by the government

and the police officers obviously do have to make judgement calls themselves now this is not new this whole friction between free speech and public order act offenses. has existed for decades and it's not something that's just been created by this new proposal legislation it's a difficult area it is not easily resolved this piece is sad and when you've got a group who have taken offense and more concerned about some particular language or behavior will tend to sort of take a bit more reports that it's a clash would be caught by the legislation if they're a group doing it they'll take a view that it shouldn't because certain classically the comedians always sort of have an input into these debates and say to police you consider this will damage policing by consent when to put some knock me out and i don't think it will i mean you ignore the fact that the vast majority of scottish people do not condone racism

or any other behavior that is going to impact upon the freedoms of others and therefore i think scotland always house i've a very proud history of all of that ice out of freedom of speech but it also has a rather proud tradition of actually making sure the perpetrators of brought to justice and yes police officers do have a difficult job but they make those judgment calls about what constitutes offensive behavior every day that week this is no different it is double checked by the lawyers for the prosecution right it is finally checked by. the courts which can be the job of building up case little but we know the dangers when in a sense. abuse goes unchecked that in a sex people can lose their lives just awful look at what happens there are just very briefly saying abuse goes on you say buz goes on check is could this like to drive people further underground and very difficult to check well i think hate crime has never been underground you know that went on to the magic johnson use

that tottenham the release of let it go it hasn't got on the ground it's just the system and so you know people like katie hopkins that's there by which running out are emboldened by this and you just have to look across the what the what donald trump is done right you know racism is emboldened by the failure to prosecute ok let's if it if it is ready goes on the ground let's hear from peter kirk and finally it in fairness to the scottish police federation his criticisms are why we're talking about this. i think most of their criticisms are not about the principle of the legislation they're about the fact that it's going to cost a lot of money for the police service in training it's extending the complexities of an already complex area and there's going to be. sort of allegations of interference with free speech from some groups but not from others and if you look over it some people are saying no this is great this is where we

should go and some assign it's interfering with free speech so they're just saying this is going to create difficulties in the police service probably hasn't got time to do with them properly thank you both for joining us predicament peter thank you and that's it i have no more news for you in half an hour from now. ambani and by north it's so many people because they copy him he's so good that even such a bad cop is sending. i'm not filled with love anybody and. i'm here to find the next guy. down pot luck looked up live on canyoning improving dum dee and fell to feed the dog she even dumped anthea dumped.

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