continues. as a coronavirus condemning continuously record numbers but he travels on franklin are . being devoured before a house is given more time to staging than about this threat microbiology stuck to . his last actual scientific knowledge is working on a colleague 19 basle. that you had to take microbiology as head of our society college and working on a code 19 vaccine a poetic so many questions for you dr can take welcome to our show thank you very much for inviting me and a pleasure to talk to you why is it your lab is using eastsoutheast to grow and to chance and activating response to current in our bodies if i understand it

correctly what are the advantages of this ecology is opposed to others. of all this technology in the market for what dictates already to use vaccines so i'm sure you may know about it because b. vaccine human pepito might exceed. just 2 examples of sex scenes in the market but used in the cells as i was like. i was like because i kind of fly was dummies and t. virus shells used as an active ingredient for seeds and we have adapted this platform to produce new vaccines and the most recent candidate has committed against over 1000 well even takes up to 10 years to develop and in fact you can say that seen but now it's being. well that pressure that i have i heard

a virus in may of the air for the majority of people getting shot next year. how to stick a head is really. and i think technically speaking. people in the position to develop a candidate on the short term so we started in a pretty much advanced right now we have cell line using the vaccine and. we have the process know how that's not the sign limiting step. took 510 years in the process. is more regulatory aspect of getting out for dr truth all the market getting it can contrive it's getting it to clinical trial it's having me long to prove. vaccine it's an asian effect of protection against a disease and that is what people are right now talking about to cut down to get

the approval in the much faster way so that a vaccine is available in the market the question then we maintain is is it actually if. so bad as to say there's a press saying this essay exene can't be made that fast there. principally technically speaking yes people can do the production of a vaccine candidate was more than genetics use in the short time and we see this with the m on a vaccine candidate. which can be a way to foster good use we have the know how to do this virus like because you know what he said in a couple of weeks in a few months but then it's about the test of what you're saying manufacturing and says thing it is human ok so from what i understand human clinical trials are the most time consuming face of a saint can't he make partials people and they are a bit different stages of

a bout sat and so that's one less of this may take years to see out of city hit by a car the crucial face may compromising the safety of that saying. i don't think it's compromising on the safety safety is 1st of all of cause must it has to be safe before you can administer it to humans even so you can move on to us and create the trials so that what comes 1st is a creature like a test assessing the safety and the initial immune response in animals what comes next is the 1st trial in human when you just go for detecting if you develop the wide new nonce if you develop antibodies against the bios in this case 91 remains open and will remain open for quite some time if you develop a long lasting immune response to which it takes you not only for a few weeks but maybe for years against this disease. so this is those still take

time before we can be us to show up at a covert $9000.00 back seat and yeah it takes us or for many many years. but what about the harm they can do as opposed to protecting because what we're talking right now is that period of time i will make it in can you call it 19 what i now know that could be that seeing that with passe prof play on he was could be dangerous foreign accent weight that this case where i think they simply made it seem infected from 40000 people with polio and here like 200. yeah we have to to be very clear about what kind of exene we are talking about if you talk about a vaccine which is an inactivated guy was which could theoretically be also contaminated with still alive and infectious viruses then you write that could be

a danger safety is not says sufficiently. if we talk about them on a vaccines. probably know how to humans to be have to know those kind of fixin's so far not in the market for any kind of human vaccine so with that 19 m. on a vaccine would be the 1st of its kind. in the market if it comes to maturity and the next seems like i was like particles again we use an approach which is so to say the backbone is the same as it is applied for i have but it has be vaccine so we know about the safety of the production organism and we know about the safety of the approach we do not use anything which is infectious at all so the whiskey is really minimal and you do of course again assess it intrigued and go drawings and

1st of all then small who all football and ts in the phase one trial which you do for every chunk of some research go to new product. so here's that pain when i say my hair survive human clinical trials it's very to be safer he needs but fail to friend people have different immune responses to the carotid virus itself some are saying how to function others not having noticing they were say do you know will have a different reaction to the call of the phoenix. they will they will and as people have been generally for each and every vaccine you will always have numbers on those who do not develop protect if immune response then you may have to develop a 2nd generation but seem to overcome those commune with one was almost so that they get protected as well so surely you will have this for 19 again you have the

same 4 through vaccine for virtually every trying to fix it. there's no 100 percent guarantee yet others and some decent economy doubly for some people this fastener no definitely not the worst it can do that people do not get protected that do not develop the immune response to. those so hopefully only a few percentage of people will of course because they will be at risk to get infected risk over 90 and developed symptoms which then have to be treated and hopefully we have medicines to to treat them and they're going to go away but the vaccine itself for sure would not be. home 40. well that's that's a reassuring for to hear advice clear that nobody has hours how much exactly a shot against the current 19 real cost but the time to prize a lot on

a promise often is turned out of what are your suggestions. well we know that again back to the example of hepatitis b. vaccine that we have most of all know how experience because again this this vaccine is manufactured in the mid ninety's. you can no produce it at the cost of less 'd than. what you. so that can be affordable and if you can do this and large amounts. i have to admit that for the cost manufacturing costs fall on and on a base that scene i'm not familiar with this technology and what it's about the manufacturing costs what could be the calculated cost for this one is shouldn't be too much in my expectation but it's again it's a new product that may have other risk factors associated to production and you have to take care boded

a farmer approach i think we can guarantee it will be affordable we do the license . sort out for emerging market countries like vietnam thailand indonesia india oh there's enormous price pressure on this product. that i've seen alone makes sense if everybody can have it right there's a name that seems clear 19 maybe should be free but we have 3 lessons again polly learned self and can't keep going the wrong before and. i think it is it is a general john scofield all governments do to come. yes solution to provide it to their population at least at a follower costs or even for free that's depending on the different individual health systems in each country but you're right it's definitely something to be talked about which is not a lecture we program we have only

a few trevor last may want to get vaccinated and. if you want to overcome the good old were strictures travel restrictions the economy was twitching then we have to have to go back seen that on a different question comes in to play the system all could do it free or close to frame a scene where the gulf war because everything arabs and here are now investing is biotechs and hearing problems and making the final product acceptable and once you have a final product that was to force you to give it out to next to nothing. well we have to look on the industry producing it manufacturing it and they at least have to to get some which are young because of the development costs and even manufacturing costs so of course the company cannot afford to to give it out for free but it's because government supranational organization like the w.h.o.

can put in an almost treasure to give it out for i don't want to hold costs and they can subsidize it so that it is either free. delivered to the population or at least at affordable costs if i look at the situation of flu vaccination and we have every season the new flu. spread to new i was taught you need a new vaccine and looking at the german situation this is of course you have to pay for it but it's at a fork a cost. the same situation definitely will be and that's what we recognize also in our discussions with representatives of different nations even and other industry partners. there's a lot of awareness that it has to be affordable. even though the industry is committed to. going to the show

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and we're back with that and we had p.r. take my paralysis and head off the last hour of his bank account you mentioned working right on the 19th that same. there is a question of quantity right gate here as a fact of the sea that is sad put it into pandemic with as a herd immunity but that was that it was by dealing people to get a shot at making we as humans print decent animals 5000000 doses. so maybe yes because many many countries do have their own vaccine manufacturing capabilities likely we are in a situation where

a lot of great scenes are on the market as you know in the example 'd it has and you only and you flu vaccine you have to try to even exceed and not exceed in military x. and what have you and you have in many many different places all over 'd the world soon to go manufacturing sites is an enormous capacity and of course it has to be combined efforts to have this a little too good he was quoted 19th accedes and i'm sure there will be many different at the end of the day and even the end on a technology may be able to deliver on a shock and almost a month this goes. but i'm taking even these we do have several different kinds of scene in different parts of the world the supplies will still be limited at a certain point and will there be a danger of reacher countries hoarding with scenes of the expensive countries with

worse logistics and less money. you know when i remember the situation with the master. it may sneer things to think of the worse because this is like a ready simple thing to do you have mass it's not technologically asks in fact is making a big scene and when i think of the mass shortages and how i like people where trying to overtake the the mask supplies for themselves and instead of a way of sort of getting it out to everyone i'm thinking what's going to happen with that scene where i was. because i think that that's a very valid comment and question and we be all have to be a way out of what to take to take care about our responsibility also. if we look ahead to if you want to go back to some kind of normal we need to kind of as you said to local herd immunity all lexy nation or whatsoever so it doesn't

help. germany to have our country protected because that still will avoid that if you become traveling to all places and the global economy would get affected we have to change it also under developed countries to make technologies affordable so beyond discussion with countries in that in america for example in south asia to doing gross was to them in effect sharing sites so that the local government and the local exim in effect sure 'd can take their country above their region to to live on their backs into this going forward. i'm sure of course i mean it's natural that the european us through us you may see manufacturer has a responsibility to take in the 1st order of the own population and that's what people of course expect but again it's a global pandemic so if we leave the rest of the wood 'd unprotected we still will

not have a free flow off of people travel woes economy and so all those you may remember that like and 2009 i was lying full right when the outbreak happened i shall know how many with the 1st snake in that scene and the baron they have available oh yes sharon yes you have a safe distance and canada is the same thing death that name that by the fact of the world leaders are saying about this being a global interest that thing nationalism don't start or prevail. well no i don't think that in this situation we have now it's different to what we had in 2009 we had small quakes which were shared in different regions and do not was not spread out so delicately. we now have a situation where of course people and governments every politician is speaking for

his country to to give his. population the. image they take care of them but again at the end of the day it's below his challenge and also the industry will take care about getting back to normal there's an interest from everybody. concerned in this in this ways for vaccine to to give it to everybody. it's a difference it's beijing then we had with other diseases some of our critics say i agree at this point and it's like asking a precedented bear 150 groups around the world trying to make a vaccine and i keep hearing this team still needs data from another team that still fresh that our scientists will surely develop device in fact today scientists their acts are and so tell me as sourdough is actually developing at scene why can't all these $150.00 groups make their vaccine project out accessible to each

other and work together and what are the pitfalls to that. it's not a pitfall i think it's a good that these different groups of work on different solutions it's not all the same and nobody knows what will be the one solution to the. best chance we have is that we have these minute you're working on the individual comfort sensitive competencies technologies and and combining the strengths and the approaches will help us to get the solution in a shorter time and again at a for the coast and for a. number of population. you may be in the moment there's a lot of focus on them on a vaccine they have a fuss and some most progress to banks in approach but still nobody knows if it at

the end of the date when the solution to all the problems so we can be lucky in that we have this 150 groups and within these groups so there's a lot of exchange i've never experienced this amount of open exchange between research just as we do have these days. so that bank from what you're saying does the same call that same race even is a south side of the political discourse and political politicians talk about that a lot but for someone in the process are you glad in actual race to get there 1st with your colleagues. no it's not about be the 1st we need to foster solution that is why everybody is rushing and having up to be all for solution as soon as possible. as to be discussed there will be billions of people to be vaccinated so he needs several approaches and we need

several manufacturing sites worldwide so i'm sure this time also number 5 number 10 and the race and the so-called ways 'd will be very successful and recognize and it will be 'd again can be glad that he will have a number of solutions at the end of the day off that. it's not always about the being the most and the u.s. has lost the market that's not about it. yeah maybe still too early to chat but there are concerns that go with your current house and may not be long lasting in me what about that scene and kayla saying how far how can possibly craft passion no no we can't and that's the one open question. on no

results coming up one by one that there will be certain facts in approaches. in the induction of the so-called t. cell which is in juicing of memory was memory we respond so that your body remembers that it has seen this is what i was and develops and in doing the next infection the antibodies fossum without being again back see needed so these are the 1st indications but it's not a proof the proof will be once the short arcs once a back seems on the market and then over a period of years you would see if people are we really protected for a long time that's well what we cannot predict tried not all we can do some billet is done is making some educated guess on it but we cannot be sure. this is listening ologies best out there and have a palace of peace where sashing very likely. does exist and

crazy reactions to the virus where more film i have then i relented and it's could it be that the world is majorly overreacting to the threat posed by the virus. discussions that for example also children do not react so strongly to cooperate in that infection because they are basically infected every day every week by another kind of virus another through the i was in the maybe another crew and the guy was. maybe just something else so they have a very active immune system which may have to protect them against a covert 1000 bucks in 1000 virus infections sorry and so yes it can be that there is a general immunogenicity against covert 9000 vaccine in some parts

of the world also that we have differences in different countries and there may be a reason that kind of background immunity is sometimes stronger in certain populations protecting also against over 90. south around that land the cold virus this line may not survive the summer that best federally anyway care when and where it supposedly a new form of cholera likely the seasonal flu what do you think. we will we will have to honestly will have to wait and see what's happening in the next fall if we are lucky the covert 90 mile way will disappear like the flu outbreak i remember 2 years ago when in germany we had a 20 since the flu outbreak was more than we have up to now you have to cover it. and the next year we had

a new food i was draws less aggressive and to be have fast growing of virus all the time it's not something which is going up usually it's an old virus it's just that this year we have a very aggressive form and again maybe if you're lucky that this money disappears and we have again a less aggressive current if i was in the next winter it may as well be that it's just dangerous and we will have to deal with it for a long time and that's again why we have to we have to now develop a vaccine against this type of virus we had. a couple of years ago. and we may have done better if they're looking at that time already of very efficient specs in no f.-l. cows to be better prepared for could not get the can take good luck with that for the sake of allah last i really hope it's going to be out there sooner rather than

later take care of yourself be safe and thank you for all your work and preference you're doing for us my pleasure thank you for you interest where the good wishes and they are all the best. to all of you and let's get. all together all the legacy. thank you. u.s. secretary of state mike ok ok is on a mission he claims the world must change china or china will change us oh should we interpret this the cold war to be waged against nation business also inclined

regime change china is certainly a major global competitor but is it now more and. the sudden fullest and illegal takeover of a government by a small group. so rather than revolutionaries or soldiers could that small group the corporations when you have a tiny group of people who have all the power you have to have some means to make sure the asked of us don't get together and take a back leg these are sacrificing. places that capitalism exploited and destroyed for profit and left behind misery poverty environmental devastation and so you see things like voter suppression building more prisons you seem gerrymandering all sorts of undemocratic practices for wealth use of that world for well into the for this world and there's

no question that the coup d'etat. welcome to our viewers from around the world life from central london this is all to u.k. . there's no creeping our assessment is that we should not squeeze that break. squeeze that break that will. in order to keep the virus under control. the u.k. prime minister postponed it was the further lifting of lockdown restrictions as it emerges the infection rate is rising. for me while the u.k. government changes restrictions overnight for much of northern england with separate households banned from meeting in private homes and gardens. the world

health organization warns the coronavirus pandemic could be one big wave rather than seasonal returns of the virus we hear from the w.h.o. spokesperson. people saw you know lockdowns over that it was somehow go away they had this idea that it might come back later in the year but they had this seemed to be this fixed idea that now with so much time to party and unfortunately that's not the case. u.k. firms get the power to ask those working from home to return to the office even the most vulnerable who've been shielding we'll hear from a workplace strategist. and an english council wounds is its own contact tracing system amid frustrations with a national scheme as northern ireland launches its own up the 1st of the home nations to do so we hear from a tech expert. the

u.k. government has rolled back on a planned easing of lockdown restrictions and made a steady rise a new coronavirus infections that says large portions of northern england woke up to stricter measures which came into force overnight without much warning or more on this i'm not sure but. they are their shadow so england was supposed to ease restrictions further on saturday wasn't it but now that's not the case is it though it's certainly not the case indeed we were hoping to enter the next phase of easing the lockdown measures just as tomorrow but boris johnson felt he simply. we had no other choice but to push it back and delay it by 2 weeks so that means indoor activities like bowling alley ways casinos wedding receptions all of that will not be able to reopen tomorrow as always boris johnson and his government has said everything from government policy to decision making has been guided by the medical and science professionals this is their different boris johnson saying because of

the data he's had to make this decision with those numbers creeping up our assessment is that we should now squeeze that brake pedal squeeze that brake pedal in order to keep the virus under control on saturday the 1st of august you remember we had hoped to reopen in england a number of the higher risk city that had remained closed today i'm afraid were spinning those changes for at least a fortnight the idea that we can open up everything and keep the virus under control is clearly wrong and what we're seeing as is that we are at the outrage of what we can do and therefore choices will need to be made well face coverings will also be made mandatory in many other indoor spaces like cinema as art galleries and places of worship and that is a rule that could be enforced by law on top of all of this bars johnson is also supporting localized lockdowns in northern england areas again because of the rise

of corona virus infections now much hancock has been speaking on that the health secretary and he says a key contributing factor to that decision is because very many households are now mixing and not socially distancing. we drop them into target specifically the problems that we've been able to see through the data because we want to keep the control of the spread of this virus we want to do that with a minimal impact on people's lives i predict these decisions do have significant impacts on people's lives but we want to do it with a minimum of time and the evidence shows that the biggest risk in terms of the spread of this virus across this area is household transmission when people are going to see each other in their own in each other's homes when they're not in a households got. the measures announced late last night affect 4000000 people living in the greater manchester east lancashire and parts of west yorkshire areas

people in those areas are now not able to meet up with other households in their homes or gardens the measures also apply to restaurants and outside tables but individual households can go to places like props cafes and restaurants but of course it sparked a huge criticism yet again on this haphazard approach to social distancing the chaotic way in which these lock downs of being enforced impose an almost whack a mole sort of start in strategic way an issue of how to police all of these localised lock downs as well but crucially at the timing in all of this johnson setting out and imposing these measures late last night not really giving local authorities much time to prepare this morning and of course today we are seeing that it is the most and celebration of it of course the northern england areas have huge b.m.a. populations a huge mess in population so for them it will hugely affect them as usually they would be celebrating and mixing of households but boris johnson as i say always has maintained that science guides his policy that data is really what guides the

decision making process when the data says to act boris johnson says he will act so quite a different tone from what we've been hearing from boris johnson once before with normality by christmas today it doesn't seem like it's the case so if he doesn't doesn't show you thank you very much. well boris johnson has also been trying a new catchphrase to help people to socially distance through it seems to lack and it will punch. through space the space blasts get a test of hands for use space. get a test its hands free space. and get a test if you have if you have symptoms. well the world health organization has warned the coronavirus pandemic could be one big wave rather than 1st and 2nd waves of infection as the w h o's chief warns that young people are not invincible and need to be convinced of

the real risk to health. over you don't so just of the spikes of cases in some countries are being driven in part by younger people letting down their guard during the northern hemisphere summer. we have said it before and we will say that the game young people are not invincible and w.h.o. spokesperson dr margaret harris told me that it's important to remember that lifting restrictions doesn't mean the virus has gone or what we mean is that the transmission is still there so the concern was that people saw you know lockdowns over that it was somehow it go away they they had this idea that it might come back later in the year but they had this seem to be this fixed idea that now it's summer time to ponty and unfortunately that's not the case what you've got transmission anywhere is potentially everywhere and hunt fortunately it's making this very clear

doing its utmost to ruin everybody's fun well the u.k. prime minister as we've been hearing has paused more easing of the lockdown in the u.k. but if it's one big wave what we delaying the inevitable. you know you know what we mean by one big wave is that it continues to remain but you need to bring it down you need to bring it down so that those who will get most ill and you will have that percentage of people who get most ill can get the treatment they need immediately in your hospitals are not overwhelmed and your hospitals can do the other things they need to be doing to save the lives of those people who get lots of other illnesses i know we've seen some studies in the u.k. that have suggested people have died of a lot of other things that would normally be treated because the hospitals was so overwhelmed by people with severe. but the u.k. government is pressing ahead with changes to workplaces from saturday these allow

firms to have discretion on bringing back staff who have been working from home to the covert 900 pandemic previously the advice was for everyone to work from home if they can from the 1st of august we will update our advice on going to work. incentives government telling people to work from home we're going to give employers more discretion and ask them to make decisions about how their staff who work safely that could mean of course continuing to work from home which is one way of working safely and which is work for many employers and employees or it could mean making workplaces safe by following keep it secure guidelines well the changes mean even those who couldn't do their work from home can be arsed to return to their offices such a situation will be up to the discretion of the employer and the changes also mean

that 2200000 of the most vulnerable people who have been children since the onset of the pandemic could also be asked to return but there is disagreement within the government ranks. we're still at a time when distancing measures are important and all of the various distancing measures working from home for many companies remains a perfectly good option because it's easy to do i think a number of companies think it's actually not detrimental to productivity and in that situation i've seen no reason i can see to change and. offer more on returning to the office and i joined by what place strategists spend thank you for talking to us something we do need the economy open don't we it's important that we get the stuff back into the office. thank you yes it certainly is a step in a positive direction the safety of employees should always be paramount but obviously definitely considerations are understandably becoming increasingly

important where it's according to go it seems enough research remarkable work from home server which the desire from to work from our mozart there is generally a shift on average from private code in 0 to one. working. to 2 days a week. so this means that the office still plays a critical role in a 6 significant proportion of the tsar we desire to be allocated and it also in trying to make that as you said people feel secure there in the workplace doing must on public transport and also covert secure workplaces how instill that sense of confidence in people. but i think that's a really critical aspect obviously covert secure workplaces is one of the really key determinant factors again and it really is a question of balance straight striking a balance between maximizing flexibility and also ergativity is dependent on a number of factors you mentioned safety it's equally making sure an office is

a bit secure also the location of employees and ease of access to the office location as you discuss business performance industry sector type of employee roles and and also activities look i think we're very conscious of the public transport will be one of the real primary constraints to getting it is a cli back to the office and we think that there is is more dialogue needed and we're having dialogue currently without clients have more discussion around our public transport is really in short people a safe and secure on their way to work as well as other area well in terms of that decision should it be the firms that have the discretion to do that mean many perp people as we've seen can work from home but that's a process feel that it simply isn't well it isn't as productive. so so i think this is there and it's a really interesting question obviously incredibly topical and i think we believe there's no right or wrong answer here i think it's imperative that the economy of it's up as much as possible we're going to robust health and safety for some

organizations are providing complete autonomy and flexibility if for their employees to decide their level of. sickly take organizations other organizations some of fixed and described in there where the discretion is since a team level or actually at an organizational level now your point about productivity it's been proven in a in a recent colleague's research the productivity deeply on average has not actually day creates some 52 percent of those surveyed believe that productivity has not changed that's the result from what actually 21 percent believe and it's increased so again the key word here it is balance and and we are working with our clients to be able to find that right balance and again like i mentioned around those inspectors around safety the credit secure officer question except they will play a key role in just where that balance lies within a particular organization and also looking at the wider economy as well i mean more

work is also means that there's more money going into local shops and cafes isn't there in bush the major economy. yes definitely they look at it i think it does critically help the economic aid system which which is there to support business district so we've all seen the impact of. 19 on high streets and business districts it's quite obvious certainly back employees to the office but i think the most critical part here is in a south sustainable and actually what i mentioned before balance and also risk mitigated approach will boost local businesses and support and obviously that will have a wider effect on the economy but again with him going to health and a government. and finally spend one last question on that those who shield as well i mean surely most firms that take a generous view on that what they look i think it is it's very specific to

2 different organizations and again our refer back to i think where possible it's critical to follow absolute best practices when it comes to sharing and also credico but secure environment and i think we're saying to people you know our experience with that provides a better have all the right protocols and in place and it's about when we when we go back to work it's about doing it in a staggered and effective and out way but also with the elite to be able to to kind of be agile in our approach where we can we can easily go back to to a more constrained situation as we can say as you referred to other room in the bulletin around changes happening already absolutely not than in days then i thank you very much indeed for talking to us thank you. and coming up after the break. i think the council launches its own test in-tray system off to frustrations with the government's approach as northern ireland becomes the 1st nation to find believe

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amid growing frustrations with the centralized approach the director of public health and sound well the burning of diesel mcnally said they were taking a more proactive approach. i wouldn't go quite so far as to say we've given up on test and trace but we're not happy with just allowing them to do their job anymore i just don't see the urgency to fix this i really don't see them running around in a panic as soon as the new case comes in now we're not waiting for test and trace to fail to reach them were phoning them the same day. well the test and trace system which has cost taxpayers over $10000000000.00 pounds has been hit with numerous issues since its launch it's been criticised for not reaching enough close contacts of those with the virus which in some areas is just 52 percent the app which was trials on the isle of wight in may was scraps after it emerged that it didn't work on i phones well that project was also hit with privacy concerns about the creation of a centralized database unlike other models where data is stored on individual

devices or the latest app is yes to make an appearance. well it comes as nor the night a launch has its own track and trace app ahead of the rest of the u.k. when an infected person gets a positive test they are issued a code this code is then inserted into the app triggering a bluetooth hunch ache to other phones that have been in close contact well the app also works across the whole law and thanks to an agreement where both jurisdiction share data of infected patients or for all of the tested trace scheme and app we can now hear from technology expert bill you bill thanks for joining us how can northern ireland have an app and the rest of the u.k. can't. very straightforward took the right approach right from the word go where the rest of the you jerry decided to do a slight detour of all of the art of whites and an approach that was floor right at the. well where promised all we've been promised that the u.k. is version is weeks away but we have that in maidenly. and

a shock to the i mean we were very late with the original lockdown we were very late with some of our testing we were late with b.p.a. and we thought for a write in informant terms of the up and being late with that as well our concerns are that any further delays are simply going to escalate opposition as the sick nation of europe where the government tried one centralized version and scrapped it after previously where is that the main hold up here. the one of the main hold ups here is actually adoption and confidence in the act what you need certainly for a whole load of different approaches that are required to co-create whether it's people returning from a holiday and being asked to sell parts late you need that cooperation to do that whether it's people conforming to all the other rules you need the cooperation to do that also you need a lack of confusion so they know what that meant to be cooperating. if you got that sort of level of cooperation if you can minimize confusion then you need to drive

up adoption of the app and you actually need a map of a global that you can use so therefore even when the n.h.s. at a pariah of something are the public going to use it then not has the public trust gone. there's great concern about. that the number of follies and missteps that there have been and what along the way has undermined the level of trust and that may affect the level of adoption also in terms of people conforming and cooperating we've already see people flock to the beaches we've seen people having house parties if they're going to be doing voters things like that then you need to be very aware that they're very unlikely to conform to exactly what you need them to do with some of these apps as well and in order for the apps to be effective we need to be looking at 6080 percent adoption rights and we've got local councils doing their own thing that's simply all knowledge of pure folly but aside also from the adoption what about the cost as well i mean what are they going to

look like for the n.h.s. and i mean the republic of ireland at cost under 800000 pounds that seems really good value for money i guess i must applaud the group and not knowledge it wants to achieve this i haven't seen the up in operation but i can't see why we wouldn't actually have a level of a contrition here and i accept the flaws along the way and possibly adopt the same outlook not i'm scott and there's no reason that we should be proud defiant and doing our own doings that's goes into trouble already well the northern end up there it works across borders well and actually to that could that be extended then to include more of the u.k. in theory it could it depends on what systems it's set up to work with on the ground and also we need to be able to be pointing people to the right up to it to adopt it and to get widespread adoption we've already sent them in the wrong direction once with and that has failed to to take off or to work correctly will mean thank you very much indeed for talking to us. now

report claims that allowing asylum seekers to work would raise around $100000000.00 pounds for the treasury the research suggests if people have the right to work 6 months after making a claim it would lead to increased income tax and national insurance contributions well the government would also save money on support payments or currently people can apply for the right to work 12 months after their initial claim but limited to the shortage occupation list which include skilled professions human rights lawyer shwed and can says this move would also help people integrate into society. courtland united don't think it's particularly surprising that something that we did no one should have known obviously there's exact figures and here is the latest research so that's a new thing that we have the exact figures now but not hanging there's nothing surprising when new news about a top i mean obviously you know these are going to fleeing persecution to come to this country trying to resettle trying to and obviously something the government is

particularly keen on and i don't remember it's asylum seekers other people are criticized for is not integrating you to the do community not integrating into this country and so obviously not allowing them to work or not and i'm going to develop work relationships not and i'm going to progress a careers how jobs go out to meet people is obviously a huge obstacle and that are so obvious and i'm going to work or not already provide financial benefits to their economic benefits to the country but also help them to get to know their country this country their culture i would also going to get nations how to go about what it's not often as a sign case is and can take months many years sometimes and to be resolved and so that has been you know for so long and sometimes destitute almost homeless and us trying to scramble to live and then many years later suddenly they left without that support but. not in this either not able to work out and there's huge problems

there so obviously if we just allow them to work and within a few weeks within a few months of the congress i know at least there will be that continuing to manual not only settle their lives but be beneficial to the country as well well a spokesperson says the government is reviewing its policy on restricting asylum seekers rights to work where people currently seeking asylum are only allowed to work if they've been waiting for a decision for more than 12 months and only if the not responsible for the delay in decision making tried and con also said that officially giving asylum seekers permission to work would prevent them from disappearing. now we are friends does the same support that don't grow lights is less than 6 hours a day so someone has to rid of the house children as medical needs any other needs and you know i mean obviously 6 days nothing to survive on so many of them then

might try to look over. cash and no other understood what without permission and so on that's where they exploited us they don't pay and that's when it is the system obviously if there is actually how to work you know that there are only companies here or there working you know and a proper job according to the one of the asians who builds their paying taxes it's much less likely that the richest. and finally scotland's 1st minister nicola sturgeon has been named the world's 5th most eloquent politician you see the ins just send ardan top the rankings but the scottish leader was praised for being clear calm and compassionate the team compiled the rankings after analyzing over 100 hours of footage from public addresses made cheering 2020 but the group criticised prime minister boris johnson for what they called a tendency to deliver confusing messages in the form of what a ring and waffling. yes face coverings i

think people should be wearing in jobs and in terms of how we. do that we will build build build build back better build back breena build back faster i'm happy to point out to the. french good actually at that they're on a bit of you know you on the point about what should people do in the message. for room for employees and all our workforce in the country it's it's it's it's what you know you know i have discussed before. i'll be back with more news in just over half an hour to get.

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hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle u.s. secretary of state might pump a 0 is on a mission he claims the world must change china or china will change us how should we interpret this a cold war to be waged against beijing there's also imply or regime change china is certainly a major global competitor but is it now our enemy. to discuss this and more i'm joined by my guest beguile in beijing he is chair professor and so child university and in samara we cross to daniel wagner he is c.e.o. of country risk as well as author of china vision the america china to bite.