add to it over to the broad conspiracy charge going back to his days as a juvenile hacker in australia all the people literally persons unknown is the phrase they're using to me encourage to send him secret set with the leaks and of course in those days we can leak risk rather good because it exposed the trick of scientology to be exposed corruption it did a lot of good things where back in his early days which now the americans are trying to turn into a vast conspiracy this may be because they feel the case isn't strong enough the evidence of persecution is pretty strong because it's been shown that he's and his his hideaway in the ecuadorian 'd embassy was bugged

by the americans that they had intercepted content will have a subject in a spanish case because of course he felt cia has not admitted to mugging conversations with you i understand jeffrey having been following that case so it was a case of it's a breach of european law it's the sort of thing that caused the pentagon papers case to be derailed because they bugged and stole stuff from the sources office so it is the kind of evidence that's coming out that they may not like there was a suggestion that they trump white house wanted it to be postponed until after the elections because some evidence was going to come out about how overtures were made on behalf of the republican campaign to recovery. there was evidence

by his fiance who said that one of the guards on behalf of benson tried to get her baby's nappy so they could analyze the pool in order to see whether a sound was a power but there's a lot of clue in the courts person that the moment and more importantly as far as the press would. was he left it on johnny depp's bed so i'm afraid that was what the media was interested in but you have said to you successfully you've successfully overturned so many wrongful convictions here you presumably are not going to be called a witness to the spanish court will bow to the guards on is trying to complain or at least sort out with a cia link company you say global were bugging you yourself in the ecuadorian embassy can you remember any of your cases where a cia link company was abusing client lawyer privilege none that i

know of but i wouldn't necessarily know but there is julian a sour 100 journalists letters and publisher who is locked up in coakley dangerous in belmarsh and he can only talk to his lawyers now after 10 minutes telephone calls for 10 minutes and it's difficult to prepare a case he could have been let out on bail under a kind of house arrest or mansion arrest in the country where alec chronic shackles would prevent him from leaving but at least he'd be able to prepare his case with concentration that did not appeal so he is looking at the barrel of a gun which will provide him with life imprisonment to die in an american supermax if michael. when the americans have their way and i think it

is as american as american journalists are now realizing it is correct to freedom of speech because the argument from white house is putting forward is that he doesn't deserve the 1st amendment because he's not an american in australia and that it doesn't apply to any journalist working for american papers you you were retained by julian assange and you've defended him so is jennifer robinson amber heard lawyer that's why she says she was in the news so is amal clooney and the guardian newspaper which partnered up with wiki leaks printed an article in the past few days as this hearing was being discussed in london and then the earlier printed an article saying he's basically a russian asset. he has a russian asset and defacto as a man you yourself were defending a russian as a non

a journalist at all i didn't see that article that stands i suppose from the american news about wiki leaks publishing stuff that they may have obtained from russian sources from russian hackers but you've got to remember wiki leaks had the idea or publishing anything of public interest and that what they published about the democratic national committee to show that there was a lot of jiggery poker a carrying on to stop bernie sanders getting the nomination and 5 members of that committee had to resign but people are realising that perhaps if the cia had secretly slipped him some information about mr putin and his wealth or his involvement in. assassination in britain then

he would've had the integrity to publish that as well but when we don't we don't know because he published collateral murder which was evidence of certainly in wright's crime the killing of journalists it was really a case of burial manslaughter i suppose so so that's not nothing never been tried in that way in the d.n.c. meanwhile joe biden the presidential contender said and then when he mixes as almost an enemy combatant seem to reflect pompei oh no reflection of the resignation of you mentioned high tech terrorists i wanted to let you get to the russia report because even though no evidence was found by the russian or border by the intelligence and security committee here the recommendations were that we may need american style espionage act which is under which handling was canada penitentiaries and freeze the treason government out of the prevent

a lot is the object now but it would cause we haven't had much luck with treason prosecutions we allowed him to be it to escape we allowed blood to continue selecting the queen's loose so there's been a reluctance to use the earth in $81.00 treason act ad i think it would be a great mistake to update it it should be abolished because it's one of these vague laws about and compassing the overthrow of the monarch and i think to use it against people who have. assisted particular russian list would be wrong a much better idea frankly is to have a rigorous foreign interests so that those who act for foreign governments must come. clean about it and tend to see what would that mean for me saying because i

think instead mandated by the russian duma the b.b.c. obviously likewise mandated by the british parliament to broadcast overseas does that mean the registering of found foreign journalists in one of them even bankers actually bankers who work say for h.s.b.c. or a company in the city of london well i think this is reasonable but of course the problem with reduced ration of as a foreign interest is shown in russia or in singapore where they've forced amnesty international and other human rights groups to register and then create all kinds of bureaucratic problems so you've got a box these laws and there is a good law that's been suggested incredibly you can donate 10000 pounds to a british political party without any money laundering scrutiny so

this is quite serious people are upset because russian oligarchs wives don't make hundreds of thousands in return for a tennis match with doris johnston and it's clear that money that comes to any political party from abroad should be a bit over $10000.00 pounds should be subject to money laundering room and at the moment it's not so i think that's one valuable law that will come from the russia report which didn't find any russian interference in braids it but said that was because m i 5 wasn't looking well obviously the tories say all that russian oligarch money entirely innocent donation so the tory party i've just got a quickly just ask here we have seen case because we had someone on the senate. jeffrey

epstein was working for the israelis the israeli government denied it and now galen maxwell finds herself on remand in a brooklyn prison how safe is she here in that her friend epstein died in a new york prison early this is interesting because it may seem quixotic given to those so much injustice in the world or to care about it justice or give a match but you know you judge a system of law by how it treats its most unprepossessing people and the complement with american lore in these high profile cases is that there is no contempt of court nor as we have in britain so there's massive judgement it's as if she's presumed guilty and the judge show so and so is wrong ever suggested and a large and i find those astonishing allowed 3 course a commission witnessed list to oppose bail and just say she's almost she's

a sociopath and this of course is all reported and this is because america has no who contempt of court rules designed to protect a fair trial and as a result there is a massive a market you can see against and of course we've seen in a number of american trials that privilege does take you to sing with your it can produce a wrong verdict well she denies all the charges all wrongdoing very romantic you say thank you very much after the break does u.k. prime minister morris johnson stand a chance when he hears negotiations enter the dragons' den of the world's largest trading. we ask t.v. star and business mogul never meeting it's time for u.k. business to leave the country paulism or coming i'm about to i'm going underground .

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. thinking of getting your music on the ones we got our shots from the problem was he didn't know until he was trapped in this tiny little wired crunch we don't need a crate with him he will just. freaking out and he won't let us bring him anywhere near and thousands of breeding dogs are caged in in 2 main conditions on puppy farm i mean 67 years you know they've been locked up in a cage outside you see no protection from the weather the heat you know the courtier the rain the snow the founder nothing they have no protection. for you. it's ok. across the us cruel puppy mills are supported by dog shows on pet stores most of the puppies that are coming from these large scale factory farming kind of operations are being stolen. stores even joined

a group businesses are involved like cargill in the center there has been a shocking amount of the organizers opposition to adverts to increase the standards of care for dogs but in commercial rating for so many most of that opposition is coming from agricultural greens and industries that have a thing to do with dogs don't buy dog on a hearty. welcome back to this lockdown edition of going underground joining me now from somerset in england is dragon's den business mogul debra median and the reason there were you on the show is really to explain there was what is in store for small businesses now we're hearing from britain's e.u. negotiated david frost that basically the e.u. has to accept the deal on the table what will it mean for me businesses in this country well it's not enough that we've been living in sort of limbo land not

really understanding what the answer. was also as you know which is a pretty rough anyway. but i think it is very worrying indeed is that businesses that probably have a huge say you know and yes and he loves the know there's a lot of just in time stuff. probably going to like cash employed in their businesses and not sitting with this great lump of money at the 1st hour that they're looking people wasn't thinking i don't know what i've got to do i've got a government telling me. that i don't want to carry all the phrases actually to prepare for all possible outcomes do so through in the corridors of white all they respect to or business people so why should they think that they do that anyway on a regular basis therefore they don't have a problem with the uncertainty of. the issue for me even though the possible outcomes is that takes money you know and actually it's not you know it's crazy you look at business you think about what's the most. likely outcome here and you

prepare for it but the most likely outcome you look around you take account of all of the factors and you think my justin says this is probably the things that happen there is such scant information there is such a muddled horizon that i don't know this is me who spends my life trotting through issues a scent that doesn't matter but doesn't it doesn't matter. i don't know how we were kant's what is the most likely scenario as sussan we don't have a lot of sitting around you know what chappel owed money then and there it's yes interesting the government themselves and the reason that they didn't have an up and nighters is that it would have been a wrong decision to put a load of cash into a load event ventilators just in case they're asking businesses to put a lot of cash into can into what will probably be totally irrelevant projects that

is just not joined up. oil more disturbing arguably if you believe the sources that are talking to the financial times was this report that the people in white always saying they could use covert to mosque the economic negative consequences of a no deal at the end of the year presumably big government would say that definitely is not the case do you think that could be the case and there are people thinking. well if it is the case is a pretty ugly mindset you know. and that really is what we should be spending our time walking around the halls of whitehall talking we should be talk about how we get ourselves as it is don't be very difficult to distinguish what's happened and the edge of what has happened because bret's it and it might be helpful to the governments that would probably have struggled with a with a very difficult scenario. and i do think it will let people off the hook you know and i don't like letting the i think people make decisions about their i i agree

with them i don't agree with them i hope they get them right get them right well done if they don't get it right then they they should be held responsible for it and i think they could be an element of why would they. well they're saying they're trying their best to learn how many request you are getting for venture capital how many business plans are being sent at the moment but i mean how do you think people fear when the bank of england bails out ryanair easyjet $600000000.00 b.a. $600000000.30 well confirms a $260000000.00 gregg's $150600000000.00 i know how free money for a semi is life support but what do you think we're thinking when the biggest companies in the country seem to have got so much money from the bank of england in tows alone facilities well i am just a facet of a subtle hint less unease but the truth of the matter is that they're very happy

companies that they have jobs and they're betting at an bank that tax revenues are economic stability even if we're not adding anything at price so i don't have an issue with looking at a business what fundamentally survive beyond this and suppose it for i say that whether it's a big business or whether it's a small business we should not support industries that are fundamentally a problem because you know that's just the money out a badge and we should be spending that money looking at new industries in the new shape so so you know i don't perceive a worry about the fact that we're saving jobs for people and we're trying to stabilize an army i don't i think that's a good way to spend the money and i think in the early days i was pretty comments about whether sportiness unease because they had moved quickly they made promises quite quickly and they actually delivered the casket as we've gone they felt clunky

they haven't looked at individual industries in a i think a particularly in-depth way what they should be doing is what i'm a trade associations in dealing not just with industries as a whole you can't talk about hospitality industry money in the halls or all is a part you know. but look at each section that industry and understand what it needs to support and i think a bit disappointed about the target is now that they had the time to understand you know the difference of some to different parts of the different industries goldman sachs needed money from the u.s. taxpayer back in 2008 which is so not emanates from goldman sachs that kind of ethos is the is the 1st 1st straw to be clutched at by someone from that kind of inheritance going to be this soviet style bailout i mean when you think about it for a time i don't know whether if the case right now the government overseas the figures most people are being in effect most people are in effect employed by the

government here too he went all this matter companies saying you know they need to be bailed out we've turned into the u.s.s.r. . it's a good point and it's a really good question because we didn't with the support issue how do we get people through this what we're not really to make this how we shape the thing that i get for so so you know new industries encouraging people to behave and my encouraging people rewarding people i'm actually told going into the emergent you know this is a billet industry is the i.t. industries that are going to do pretty well as software companies so so so along with you know there's pieces that they need to get everybody through this and then that is a piece it says we need to die then into a long sustainable industry not just but we need to hold on we need to make sure that we get through to the time that we can make a bit of money because with fundamentally change and you know we still feels a bit like we're just trying to get back so the norm when we should be looking so

the future this is a really good moment to do that and the government needs to get more intelligence about doing that both because in our own building a different over time but isn't that a bit disturbing for a dragon in the sense that people really are questioning whether this of moore's law of the economy is right or do we have some or all of your own recently you saying there's a reason why big businesses work so well without internal markets within the big businesses and i thought just economies of scale they are more efficient that's why wal-mart is more efficient that's why there's a big tech business when defending themselves in coal rest being accused of market move elation that's why their businesses are efficient they run like the soviet union well absolutely and i think that's a problem and i think that is the area of a very hunky and old fashioned way of doing business and i think the businesses that will survive are the ones you're actually simply agile fleece of they can

check you know out of the well already 5 years ago i was dense or somehow the world is changing the same guys the most simple. and you can see if anybody is guilty you know just good just went on agility and you win the world and actually this big business is that company that can change so fast all it can do is have a disproportionate voice in government that's worrying because what it was trying so things done and keep things as they were the consumer is changing that is you know has actually changed to them i think you know their model virtual and much happier better we were shopping a microscope in what more are not communicated by on line we've built in our lives in a different way we're worried about state and personal worries about the ethics of the business businesses that doesn't fundamentally change their view the way they look and the way they look at the gun to the left is good news in the s. and p's a very well placed to take advantage. of them is on google and these companies will

say we are just as agile as the smallest business here fact we can take over and buy out a small business in fact who are regulars then a little about venture capital taking over innovation from the small guy so that doesn't mean the end of big business it doesn't start a big business is consolidating and take a buying it all up again we get back to this soviet style of state capitalism that's why i've completely agree with you and actually the businesses that you talk to buy it all right giles and they are all good looking and they are having a major influence on the way we do business and it's our i don't want rate i don't equate dragons that is dragons we are we are and that lists but we are looking for the stocks in aware of the s. and p. and we actually looking for the new ideas america besting and those people to carry x. and you want to is unhealthily i mean i always say every big business needs to

remember it was a small business it's actually is a small business is just bigger and they somehow the. and when i said i looked the businesses that got potential for growth into larger businesses it kind it doesn't matter who owns those businesses as long as the market forces them to behave as individual businesses because they're a big umbrella organization a lot of the homes and lots of different businesses but within and each of those platforms have had to. stop the entrepreneur entering the market building something you know coming up with a great idea has it doesn't does it matter that it goes on to be owned by somebody else all it goes on to be the business that owns other businesses that's how it works but it's the essence of it and got to change it's got to stay on top of mariel fleets of 1st hearts and that's the big monkey business is with

crutches and too much legacy a com is ok we're just virally we were talking about really really agile whoever you are because of the break. is it still your view that the british people didn't really vova breakfast at all and there was russia that interfered with the breaks are out now so that's never been my view because we did the press it you know so the question is how much were they influenced well i think russia obviously played hearts. i but i think there are a lot of influences you know there are a lot of people banding around a lot of meaningless words a point we were making decisions and. listen i didn't understand many nations of threats and i live in the you know in the biz you know i did. it some pills for me how everything. is is integrated

with the family like worrying about what we're going to do so i am sorry but i defy anybody who was going to. to make such a mental decision to fully understand me including what that decision meant. well pressure of course denies any interference with their reading thank you very much locked out of your league game as we hopefully get some clarity about what business is about planning thanks so much and that's it for this long television all going underground on the monday we'll talk about going into outer space stay safe. there was competition there free market competition then drugs in america the price but the love that's the beauty of free market capitalism the fact they don't have

free market capitalism for drug prices in america shows you have an entrenched goal accompli or monopoly and they gouge its price gouging and he's right so you try to dismantle that but without that kind of premium for these drugs for these companies the however i don't see how they're going to command the multiples they do on the stock market so he's he's got it he's saying he's either going to take a 50 percent hit on the stock market or is going to lose a lot of people that need the drug. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy the infante shouldn't let it be an arms race in this on off and spearing dramatic development on. personally i'm going to exist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time time to sit down and talk.

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