universities or universities are the only place in society where you can debate freely or ought to be if they don't uphold that right then there's nothing special about. ok thank you very much indeed for debating this with us here in r.t.e. u.k. dr lee jones and fraser myers thank you both for your time and that's it with more in half an hour from now. how can you explain love. i been to 82 countries i did in 12 that i came here and on those 3 days i just felt at home. i love cold weather i like the culture like the history i like everything about it. i know there.

are people listening to this again it's a bit of a paradoxical so already i'm a big coup and i'm thinking like russian but the place gets you. i made my decision to come here because i felt i could build a new life even. if. i am joined a russian far. more raw deal samina through signals that small team doesn't get hoarded unionized. gladney on the.

i mean emotion poured it. on the door of your. great britain july 17th 949 the son is born to young. polish immigrant and his english wife rita marjorie chumley even though the family was already multinational the parents could never have foreseen that one day their child would become a russian. prime russian i'm an immigrant to this country but i'm russian and it's my home and no one can something bad about it they should firstly look at themselves. john lives here in the village of. a region that's not his house it's not hotel john built for tourists he designed it to take up residence in an old cow shed today i'm living here in russian it's called the perry

hall dakota door between to cut off next to car sheds in this room a natural fact is where the milking operating. equipment was this is where we started. farming life more now than 26 years ago if you look at the roof it's the roof of a normal corrupt nick that this is a home. to sell steel and he's lived and worked in 12 countries rich handsome and successful he came to russia for the 1st time in december 1 19911 to $3.00 day business trip those were tough times the sivia union had dissolved and there were long queues outside the grocery store he wasn't expecting a lot of good to come out of that trip. i came here expecting will soviets to have a neck that came from the areas to their shoulders and being drunk it was that kind of image it was interesting and people after paris troika everybody was very hospitable because it was a new life capitalism hadn't arrived so people had more free time went to

a couple of bars went back and resigned to said i want to go to russia i jumped at this opportunity i jumped at it so quickly up because i was trying to losing it i was 42 at the time i just felt at home. today john pisky owns one of the biggest farms in russia that has more than 4000 cows and produces one and a half tons of milk a day. yet though. he still does need a way to get all that you did he need to get the water to. give him enough money to beat the fish not see the good. just get over me put into a bolshevist it's the. same in the spirit of unity. but the most we

got both young funky it begin to think that yes the way to get over what you have not. if the war hero it. the most. women amalek in years if the for the. sake. of it. and he kept pretty is need for some to go up and die in comfort or die in court or die him her or she spawn him yes yes the i need nobody me. your. ward. but. it took john a while to become a farmer when he 1st lived in russia he sold steel and coal and even part of the coal mine for that free and rich british man life was relaxed and easy until one

day he decided to give it all up and buy one abandoned collective farm and then another in fact john might never have become a farmer if it wasn't for. he's a free man but i think god decided that this man is no good to be free so within 3 months i was in a bar on to sky a free man i was looking across and there was a tall blonde lady and i think i was going to buy her a drink i took one step back in the one useful channel of the building on the longest aisle thought you know me a dozen new details about the dock at the north from the south this over to us and i said oh i'm very sorry do you speak english and here answer was of course not so i'm sorry can i buy you a drink in the guest of course as the only 2 words she knows. me a clue you have been using in the last novel on the set but that i knew i don't know about a lot that that fills you with of the clotilde you know i just not go out at dark

and always blow her. a lot of theater once in the whole show phony so when the polish name is away there's a does that inst i thought. the talk now what's that i'll allow was the prose style it would only go yes brasil you which is you need to some way not to adore me. don't. you dog mrs devout 3. we got to know each other very quickly there are lots of questions but my questions are mainly what did you do when you were young what it was because i had this image and here i am an international business guy well i heard about these bloody russians. hold back what i stole and then there's no nice one and you go as little skews ancient chinese not dancing though because i didn't get younger don't know

what i can use my little boy because i didn't go there what the russians ancient and he's given us you would begin your. it's like shit that i wouldn't like to nina's flat one day and so i opened a photograph album and there i found photographs of a normal person 13. going to the north with the dogs going down to the cuff skiing and having parties with their friends i virtually cried out of shame because this horrible image of newnham will go out it is the young go by all those but he had to think what else there were in the upstairs and you can go idea yeah i don't know i guess you know go go and be a good writer. it's just this what it's sometimes deep here and he truly. does. move it. you don't wish. to stop and each other to. go to mind

your own mind. by by. second oh yes. when you sort of know the voter or on the up be it will mean you're so lovable with just him a groupie coffees the small drink feel many times oh yes. i did share with. you was he was comes to worse than you. yeah it was the other way i've just. got no. i don't i'm just goes on it's just so. good to see a. dead outside you. why do you. do when you're not. just built a new porch have to find new. chum to step up and go i just along as the.

moment i just looked up and i was gone yes because it's like i said she finally. i'm focusing on. yes but still. we did you know stuff that you are an incredible year with them is that. many but it's some little got some should stay on when i go out in. the arctic a shit if i wish someone else likes and i'm going to. go in there what i have to go on with success because i know our. children help out on the farm but the daughters go to school so they only help during the weekends and holidays the sons on the other hand is working. there's not enough. in these old is not you know

the oldest son stefan works on the farm too but he hasn't always he spent a long time in exile in his father's homeland. so you would. go i don't want. to focus i. did just get i gave me a certain amount of money took him to a country town called both and said you don't like russia live here i took it russian postpones said see you and when i see you you have the most i'm not but i've been screwed up i think i would have tried to spend. some of would go postal so i shall have some from. what i what i thought i was doing and i just went. along the way he did why do you still pick up the park i would not so what's key would be. way off the field at the court it was that it was i should have been you if you don't see that much at the bar we're not. racist you're not so. pretty seedy

are probably going to. stay. snooping it's all credit to the butts of. the problem with the guys based on so i see a. problem with a problem with. so you will sol because those people didn't understand him or joked about him and after 3 years he cried to his mother or join the army or go to siberia i want to come home his choice. is your media a reflection of reality. in a world transformed. what will make you feel safe. isolation little community. are you going the right way or are you being led so. direct. what is true what is faith. in the

world corrupted you need to descend. to join us in the depths. already made in the shallows. the world is driven by a dream shaped by. the day or thinks. we dare to ask. if i think we need to come just get back to realizing that what a medicine has achieved some great things but actually when it comes to what has

increased our life expectancy more than anything else in the last 5 you know the last sort of 150 years must be public health you know modern medicine can be attributes to any maybe 3 and off just 5 years. over an increase of. 40 years in the last century and a half and that's again something that people who we find quite surprising quite shocking. johnny's happy that his son chose russia and makes no secret of it john made the same choice back in 1901 it took him 6 years to become a russian citizen at that time the russian security agency was suspicious of an englishman wanting a russian passport in 1907 of course it was everybody was wanting to leave and this he did came along and wanted to live here when i was interviewed by the federal

k.g.b. in those days they came to me and said well why do you want to live in russia i said fine but i'm fine that entre fraid of the maffia i said i've got the best christian. who are single spoke borg. for quite some time now john has spoken of russia with terms like our people and my country he really visits the u.k. he gets aboard then too quickly and relations with his british family have become complicated too i've got brothers and sisters in the u.k. and i think it annoyed them or when i spoke to them some years ago that i said well our children will meet at the border if there's a conflict nato comes to the border maybe my sister's son there and maybe my daughters on the other side of it they don't understand that as an englishman. i have no loyalty is there i have lots of anger and disappointment i like it here i mean it is difficult for people to understand they have democracy and freedom but what freedom is doing today is close to a freedom is

a right to say what you want but not to destroy anything. why the way they deface winston churchill a book no idea i think it's stupid i think it's baseless emotions history is history a maybe these memorials a tremendous what not to do i mean ok we know there was slavery if there wasn't any slavery they wouldn't be in america it's a bit hypocritical to me what was what was you can't change it history is a lesson but you must understand it you must study any person that wants to be cultural must understand history not just of their country of the world as a whole. in those closely with local. interest new year's in the source of perugia but the most

or you know elite 3 teaching to me is the bill of you to go in bold dome what i see it but don't go for the install the normal should be the minister dialing in with no thank you but it doesn't. come out on skype. ok i'm done with that what you know about cloud atlas store but you want it when you get away i will look when you got on that let your winning in you in the well and there is 91 or 2 this occupied to be on your number one if you will because upload productive but i see you. when you started nya nya. own university you have a no on a variance will put you want to clean you know what you need. the red zone is actually did it catered to the history of the collective that john and nina bought but stalin is such a controversial figure that a lot of the attention and arguing is about him and the complete family is no exception

'd. oh it's just a joke as i know it's a. horrible thought of. being a child it's. cool. it's a business for. serious

. companies and it is nice not just because the sharks. other passion is cheese making only ever make cheese with milk from his own farm it's a liberal. john started making cheese 6 years ago when europe and the u.s. imposed sanctions on russia in response russia banned certain imports which was good news but. i think the embargo for us was very good i think it firstly allowed the people to gain back their pride to be russian before we were kind of losing it and today i think in my opinion we have the embargo against them they don't sanctions against us because they lost much more. join makes a variety of jesus is about to show you some of them interestingly enough to

himself john is that. they do is your local. it was a kid peach what. should the. italians. we need water or he puts into a store keeper it's to us or for me to post a sea of. it to see him as a boy it's a tough but then wished on you know you have an excuse i mean it of course study soviets it experiment know it and if it was just even the cause the promise. to give you go to eat their own food and. then at work john is only ever referred to as johnny on which the rusa find his english name a long time ago i don't like mr john i don't like uncle jump my real middle name is maxwell where it came from i have no idea you know in the west in the u.k.

you name your son's middle name after a football team it has no meaning and also to me this is important about here it's a respectable parents i think it's very this continuation where did you come from here the middle name you take of your father so i'm john young which means i am the son of yeah and i'm very proud of it. to laziness as well this is the numbers not stored on a small t.v. provision you want to stop when you meet him you also because he just really knew you. should possess the the ability there were. a lot of little snippets to anyone because i knew i had to reply to him you would guess you'll need the role of. johnny and if it is a tough manager who even conducts random checks at night control in the bush. on newsnight does he not you'll just see in your city so many of. us go deep i need to make sure the biggest no vehicle we disappeared. the poor girl. who got the

dog and we both wanted to be a what. it had to be dug out here the pipe about it's his sons who tend to be on the receiving end their dad isn't an easy boss but apparently it's better than living in england. yes so if you're. not your. business. just put. me. on no seriously just. go and. vote vote vote vote. so what we actually lead. into you know.

what you. mean so. the whole. thing. only well if it is to. another family is horses the russian breeds of they run a riding school along with an equine assisted syrup the facility at the zone to johns only sources of income.

and it is a. traditional russian choices and driving one is a really tall skill these days it's very complicated and not at all paul. but the capacities are resurrecting this old tradition. pretty casual to the food. but i didn't it's not the way could rolls royce it did not have the about it to nashville but yes he's after a saudi arabi be a sniff to visit us see a b. is near ft me is the. heights you can see. that not. when i asked nina to marry me she said i'll think about it i need to talk to my priest. they are not playing but i knew. the other were obsessed with.

the end zone but you know one of the last. saw at the well with city us so i said i believe in god i don't have a problem i'm still looking for god so i'll be christians and he went to the church of divine voice on the strip given of why i shouldn't baptized. 15 years ago we started building this judge. in the name of the lady is found christ and we joke about that because in russian is made on all sets and when i heard this i thought it was john b. a lost his son was it what the hell is john miller and also what does this mean but in actual fact is the ladies of my.

i've always believed in god but the catholic church honesty frightened me. and in russian we have this what struck most of the fear of god and when i was a catholic i she feared going to church oh shit every time i was going to church the side done something wrong to be struck down by lightning. and i like the russian confession here i like like many things in russia the lack of hypocrisy. i don't think i should justify why i believe i believe that even if you know the believe of the. bad laws by which everybody should live particularly today. i love my home here and i think that anybody that wants to come here. will be welcomed honestly it is not propaganda or not paid for this fortunately or

unfortunately it's a great country that has huge horizons i like the huge horizons and whenever there's a huge arise and there's always potential. i was a robot when i came here i was a typical. international businessman traveling 9 months a year sleeping 4 hours a night so this is creating a much nicer man i think. i'm happy of course i'm happy i never become 70 years old i never thought i'd see my youngest daughter reach 15 so russia's give me a long life as well. i've got everything i want but my one dream is that all my children find the same kind of happiness i did.

the end of a love story will tensions in the u.s. german relationship determine the fate of nato and if elected will joe biden be america's version of the soviet ruler plenty of fresh. thinking of getting a new book on the ones we've gotten our shots from around why is he didn't know until he was trapped in this tiny little wired how much we don't need to create with him he will stir reaching out into the wall let us bring him anywhere near and thousands of reading dogs of caged in the into lane conditions on puppy farms i mean 67 years you know they've been locked up in cage outside you see no protection from the weather the heat you know the cold air the rain the snow the funder

nothing they have no protection. to get you. it's ok. across the u.s. cruel puppy mills are supported by dog shows and pet stores most of the puppies are coming from this large scale factory farming kind of operations are being sold in stores even joined a good businesses are involved like agoa mom santa there has been a shocking amount of organized opposition to adverts to increase the standards of care for dogs bred in commercial rating for so many most of that opposition is coming from a huge agricultural groups and industries that have nothing to do with jobs don't buy dog on i want to. join me every thursday on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to get a feel of the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then .

back in my. god now take me on your back up. welcome to our viewers from around the world live from central london this is all to u.k. . swathes of northern england state look down those the code 19 infection rate surges a major incident is declared in creative manchester giving police the parts and bring in the all be there in front of power 6 but later. compensate millions of employees which for turn to the office despite the promise is called to get stuff back to work. on bounces back to previous looked on levels as the awards further lock down easing along with budget cuts could escalate the situation speaking to a security expert very shortly. how to report on to the both divine has narrowed

across britain for earnings but is found to have considerably when property and other finances are taking into consideration we hear from an economist. and also the sound economic freedoms universities may be at risk as a survey shows that breaks it is a right wing is feel they need to censor themselves because the 1st off social policy that you have a. localized coronavirus lockdowns continue across northern england with great amounts to declaring a major incident as cases rowley's it puts the region on an alert level similar to terror attacks saw natural disasters like he said and he joins me now with more so we so why has the local authority taken such a drastic step. well we've been seeing in the greater amounts the area for the past

few days really has been a rise in the number of cases some of the smaller towns around manchester places like a block in an old i'm seeing in some cases 34 times rises in the tour on a virus transmission rate sand the number of people getting sick that's led to local authorities fearing a 2nd wave or 2nd outbreak of the virus and so they've put in these measures a spokesperson for greater manchester combined authority said that declaring a major incident is actually a boost to the capabilities what exactly is a major incident what does it constitute well it's usually declared in response to terror attack or a natural disaster like or a flood which you've seen in years gone past regions localized regions can access extra national resources and help from the central government and the police can also draft in the army if support is needed so that might be what the combined authorities are referring to when they say

a boost to capabilities however of course even though this declaration is expected to lead to greater police enforcement of the latest measures which would put in place in the greater manchester area people we are comfortable with the idea that potentially the army could be called in their articles no plans as of yet been announced for that to be the case but it would appear that the government central government that is is looking to take a region by region approach this will these measures also apply to east lancashire and west yorkshire so all of these in the north of england as opposed to the government going to the nation as a whole and reintroducing some of these knock down measures on a whole they appear to be looking at the data and doing it localize which many of argued is a more strategic approach and is more helpful approach in dealing with the potential of a 2nd wave of coronavirus is a thank you for that while. i spoke to microbiologist dr simon claude he said

despite the increased availability in testing it wasn't the reason behind the rise in infection rates. we know from international law ground that it has an effect on suppressing the number of deaths and number of infections below more below what we would otherwise expect so it seems that on a localized. basis and that's been showed it less than that it will work as well it has worked at less than we should remember that are going to manchester though the major incident that seems to be more about getting results is to deal with the situation but that this whole idea of this could really terrified residents could involve. well you could do it or no you've got to remember really on what's happening you people are being told not to congregate in their homes but i guess if the numbers don't stabilize and start at the crease pretty soon they don't know i might be the opportunity or the expectation that there will be further restrictions

imposed on the population and sure resources might help with that but of course getting replaced beforehand will be beneficial and we've gotten way too far for our things to happen but a massive rollout program in testing haven't we so isn't that because we're now seeing higher infection rates because more people are getting tested. well i don't think that necessarily stacks up by these are real increases i'm not aware of any situations where people who want to meet tests aren't getting them were otherwise state words but i am not sure i agree with that i don't think this is just out to marc klaas that. falling crime has soared to pre lockdown levels across the u.k. according to the metropolitan police there were just over $19000.00 vonna crimes in june in the capital above the average for that month that's over 2000 more than in february when over 17000 reported 18600 were recorded in generate

a sort of trend that's been reported by the west midlands police with its commissioner stating crime levels there had balance back to data from the region shows of violent crime his highest rate at least a year this june was 17 percent higher than last year london's mayor city khan has warned that a further easing of lockdown could lead to further rises combined with cuts to more informant and youth services. during the last decade of government austerity ministers slashed police services causing violent crime to rise in london and across the u.k. now we are in danger of going back to square one under a new era of austerity as the government refuses to compensate londoners for the cost of cope with 19 this year also saw more killings in the capital with 17 homicides reported last month to more than last july and the highest number this year despite facing criticism over its hysterically measures the government says it is putting enough funding into the police we have given london an unprecedented

package of support and been clear about police forces across the country will get the financial backing they need to see them from a coronavirus pandemic. now joined by former senior military intelligence and security officer and journalist philip ingram good to see you there now violence is returning to pre lockdown levels that simply because lockdown has in effect suppressed crime. la gun has suppressed crime and the organized crime gangs and the gang culture that there has been in some parts of our large cities as they come out of locked on they're going to have to try and reestablish their control over their territories again so that's why we'll see a rise in that there's also 2 other things i think there are we will see an increase in domestic violence because of the pressures that they've been under locked on more of that will hopefully be reported and dealt with and also we're seeing new causes with all of the demonstrations you know we saw the black rose

matter protest being hijacked by those that just want to commit violence and all of that together is going to increase the statistics and plenty of crowing going underground that affect all that well all the line i suppose because of the virus and further related scams huge amount going online it's all it's always been online i think the last that i read by volume it hasn't increased dramatically but it's focused self very quickly onto coronavirus related scams and issues that are out there and the organized criminals know that that is an area that the police are weak on and they're exploiting that as much as they possibly can the police are getting a lot of additional resources and i think city can was a little bit naughty in saying that the central government is and isn't giving him the resources that he needs you know the increasing the police numbers given local government an extra 3200000000 pounds to cover coronavirus costs and the stocks of

the local mayors to decide where they spend that and they decide not to spend it on police and not to spend it on local youth. groups and organizations that's a mayoral responsibility not a central government responsibility so throwing more money at it more resources that's the answer well there's always going to be a shortage of resources you know you can throw as much as you want at it and at the end of the day. those that are in charge and trying to supply the services will come back and say they don't have enough that system network things are it's balancing it off and i think what i'm seeing out of central government with the chancellor effectively opening up a check book with a blank check and saying tell me what you need he's reading it in a little bit now but but the money's been out there the impact on local councils knows where hasn't really been calculated and we'll see in the coming months as to whether he will rebalance the books if there's any additional costs that are needed but at the moment there seems to be

a lot of resources being thrown at. the police and and other agencies and your thoughts on these local law downs a possibility of not just covert 19 related flare ups but also anger there's a pushback against some of the measures some of the police and security services have to combat well yes and you know the anger it's caused by local. conditions it's caused by people not following very very simple very basic commonsense rules and deciding that you're locked up locked on please therefore i must go to the pub and we'll all of a big party and we'll have a big brawl and will involve the police and surprise surprise a short period of time later the number of instances go through their oath people are drillers and this virus is here until we can get a vaccination and will remain here and therefore just because the government eases lockdown doesn't mean it's necessarily safe to go out they're just trying to let everyone restart their lives again and if we get and i will call them idiots if we

get idiots who ignore simple simple rules they are going to cause it to rise and they're going to cause more and more local locked aren't about this all has a state of emergency been declared in greater manchester well what's going on behind the scenes there because that's obviously alarming for for residents but it the impact isn't intended in that way is it know that it's alarming because the terminology state of emergency what it what it does do as your previous commentator said is it releases a lot of sense. government funding and it gives the the mare's local authorities a little bit more power to bring in. additional capability from central government resources that will be probably paid for by central government but the wrangler paying afterwards to help fill some of the gaps that they've got there it's highly highly unlikely the military going to get involved apart from us there at the moment in supplying p.p. in manning the different testing centers in moving mobile testing centers into the area to try and quantify you what the real problem is and assist with controlling

the lock on the military don't need to get involved with anything on the security side of the moment philip ingram always very interesting to talk to you thank you for joining us live here in r.t. still to come visit and meeting think tank wealth disparity has narrowed across the country in terms of earnings but is a priest in terms of property and other finances going here at the call of the surely. academic freedoms of the masses maybe a risk a survey shows a brick city academics feel they need to censor themselves for talking to a professor of social policy from university. is you'll be via reflection of reality.

in a world transformed. what will make you feel safe. isolation or community. are you going the right way or are you being led so. direct. what is truth what is faith. in the world corrupted you need to descend. to join us in the depths. for a mate in the shallows. seemed wrong why don't we all just don't all. get to shape our disdain for the conflict absent and engagement because betrayal.

when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. unnamed sources claim documents related to u.s. u.k. trade negotiations were acquired after russian hackers intercepted the email account of former trade minister liam fox the leaked documents were brandished by former labor leader jeremy corbyn during the 29000 election campaign last month the government labeled them as almost certainly the result of hacking by so-called russian activists according to reuters news agency that sources claim the documents were stolen from a former trade ministers e-mail account last year moscow has strongly denied

election interference the cabinet office refused to comment on the latest claims due to the going criminal investigation into the matter. the wealth divide is shrinking across britain when it comes to monthly earnings but widening when property and other assets are taken into account. the institute for fiscal studies the difference between earnings in london and the rest of the country has decreased since the beginning of the millennium wages grew more slowly in the capital only rising by just over one percent since 2002 but now housing trends are driving inequality across the u.k. property and other wealth has increased in london by 150 percent whereas in the northeast it's gone up by just 3 percent. this is concern that the pandemic will only exacerbate the current trends across the country but the treasury says this gives the government an opportunity to level up communities we want across party house of lords committee suggest radical changes need to be made to universal

credit by injecting 80000000 pounds into the system the committee particularly criticized the 5 week waiting period. international economics professor keith pilbeam joins me now let's talk about the report 1st that more parity on earnings but property is really leading to that divide and inequality. well i think that's the case maybe a dog and the southeast factor on the outside when you look at property because procter prosper going up quite substantially in those regions and not in the north so if you are lucky property how do you become rich you know many people become rich are actually sitting on their houses it actually but what's happening now though because of the pandemic we hear talk of a resetting of the property and housing market which of course is based on confidence and there's very little of that at the moment although there is a sense as a slight mini boom going on a moment but is unsustainable. well there's not many been going on that system i

talk because it's just not true and picking at the top of the market it's taken a hefty hit because you know really wealthy people and people just kind of put those kind of money to wealthy people are struggling a bit has been debit because they've got big businesses under pressure and then bonuses are going out the window and some of them attention wage cuts so don't believe what the estate agents say what about the government's cut instantiating that's had an impact on it i mean that possibly could help redress the balance in some way well these things a one off of course you cut it and then you're going to increase it like i mean you've got something to die and do something tomorrow and. property prices are appropriate for the british economy. so there's nothing you know it's not good news when you read the gas prices artificially with the radio the value does they are in certain regions it's very hard to balance out inequality for assets in that role and wages those with plenty of cash in property don't simply going to have to give it up easily well it's actually quite costly to give up

a property if you are as well because you're going after by taxes and capital gotten so the government's got to get you either way but let's be very clear you know after the pandemic they've got to get off to someone and wealthy property on is pretty good luck to get off the response the government's consent it's difficult to avoid and so i think many of them are going to face some sort of rights increase they're going to face possibly a property tax being introduced as well. let's talk about from the very richest of the poorest the lords committee saying that universal credit needs an overhaul huge amount of money being injected into that the system is only just come on line isn't it well i mean that's britain for you isn't it the bureaucracy that just introduced this is that now they want to change it i mean you couldn't make it up so what we've got to do is try to keep the existing system and make it work better there's nothing wrong with the system per se it's the administration of it and of course the government is now looking for every penny it can because it's been way too

generous with the skate when too generous 8000000 pounds i say is needed to to make some sort of impact but what will that make a big difference that many believe it's peanuts i don't even know where that figures come from who what it means but i mean it really is going to make no difference the way this government spends money i mean it is right you know 10 minutes spending the way they're spending money at the moment so no that's not the answer is it and that's the 8000000000 sorry so it is 8000000000 sorry ok yeah then yours but it still doesn't make a lot of difference in the great scheme of things that can make a difference that kind of money can i just i just wonder if the british government can afford all this money because they're spending money like we've never seen any chance to spend before and that's going to stop and it has to stop otherwise you're going to end up with the venezuelan 5 to go to bed and the government but you people can only print so much money before the pound starts collapsing so they've got to actually think about how they're spending money and only targeting those

that really need it that's what they need to do there's too much money being given there are people over 65 getting free bus passes the 1000000000 is it not that crazy many of them are getting free t.v. licenses as well so you really got to target the money much more effectively than the british government is doing just a final thought on what could happen here in london where a lot of work is simply don't want to go back into their offices and employers are accepting that what does that mean for not just the price of this space but also for the economy in general and on the now. well if you own office space and love them you'd be worried ok if you were one of those property because it's quite clear you don't need to do this on property and one other thing that's going to happen that people have to do it yet is there's going to be a lot of colleagues of unproductive middle management and when bad jobs go out of office space demand goes with them as well so you're going to be focusing on employees that value and there's a lot of bigger managers and overpaid bureaucrats in britain that had no value

whatsoever so these people are going to worry about their jobs and you know from productive london it means lower prices and we've got of course breaks it just around the corner how what's your view of the economic outlook now for the country with the pandemic embrace it just briefly. i think some sort of deal might be done with the new but it's still going to be highly damaging compared to the current deal as the transition phase no one knows quite exactly how much risk you know problems are going to actually crop up once we actually leave the e.u. full time. and i think people are underestimating that professor keith pilbeam thank you very much indeed for your thoughts live here on r.t. thank you. and finally academic freedoms universities could be under fire as a survey shows that breaks it leaning academics feel they need to censor what they teach and discuss the policy exchange study of over $800.00 current and former

staff as found just over half of respondents will feel comfortable sitting for lunch or in a meeting with colleagues who back to the campaign for britain to leave the e.u. as well nearly all remain backing academics feel comfortable expressing their views publicly but the brits are to counterparts likely to sell sense of their views and discussions due to a fear of consequences for their careers. the challenge today is a serious threat to academic freedom may now arise from within universities this internal threat vibes from the way that some of the university both students and faculty members relate to others on campus being willing to penalise them on the basis of their perceived or actual political views. a number of right leaning thinkers have been platform from universities in recent years including canadian professor jordan peterson german politician alice videl and former trump advisor steve burnham the government promised to enforce freedom of speech but the general secretary of the university and college union claimed that the old latest findings

were false and academic freedom is not under threat well for more on all of this i'm now joined by professor of social policy at the university entry heenan very good to see you today is freedom of speech at risk. well i think it's important to say that academic freedom is at the heart of our universities particularly the heart of u.k. universities and something that has deeply value back down next so i think reports of its demise are exaggerated it's always good to have a sense check on it but i mean quite frankly i think this report is hocus pocus there for you conclusions and try to produce the evidence to support those sold out of questions about their methodology out questions about their sample i have questions about why they had so many retired academics included in their sample so actually in terms of academics mark i think that report would be a good study of saying look at the evidence look at the conclusions do you think

they are reliable do you think they're valid argument these conclusions were obvious p.o.d. one topic mention the causes breaks in this report that's something you and i have talked about a lot and we were talking about a lot in the near future but can being rightly in a war really kill an academic career nuttall and i think the interesting thing that this report actually says is those people who study the economic evidence are less likely to support records well why is that it's because as we have talked about many times the evidence and academics are interested in the apple it's not our job to talk to people it's not our job to tell people i think it's not our job to send a check their political ideology if they want to support banks that that's absolutely fine way wouldn't they but what we do is try to look at the evidence and say words the evidence to suggest this will lead to better outcomes so for example as the report acknowledges. the evidence suggests that perhaps it will not be good

for the u.k. and short term nor the long term and indeed it big peculiarly bad for a northern ireland will we have unfettered access to the e.u. you know we vote will we have a close relationship with the european union no we vote will it cause economic and political instability yes is it likely to lead to the breakup of the u.k. well we don't know but we certainly know it has caused divisions over the future of the union so really what i'm trying to same context as it's not wrong to support greggs if we have a bit and makes in our universities we support brags that book we are constantly asking for the evidence where is the evidence to suggest that this will lead to better outcomes what freedoms are we getting back what freedoms indeed have we lost in the in the 1st sense and it's interesting to me that the political parties here who support regular can't give us a reasonable argument for the advantages and the economic think tanks and again i

will say this because we said to our students when we look at these think tanks and the reports they produce i did say almost by leaning left leaning are in the center and this is clearly a very regular think tank who produces these icons and again looking at the methodology from the figures they suggest you're talking about very small number of academics so it's 35 people have said that they are uncomfortable talking about don't use it in terms of banks that well if i have the evidence to support that brags it was going to be a fantastic thing socially politically and economically i would be very happy to talk about it and i am sure people that want to listen to what we have to say let's just drop this further away from it to other topics because some are worried that some views are simply to boo within our academic institutions are we in effect in a culture war that some people say i don't and so i think it's been exaggerated my

experience of universities. is that they value 3 states that people are asked to come along to get his or if you had to put forward the evidence to support their views the difficulty as we creasing least find it difficult for people to come along and be well they could forward to. this challenge robust challenge that says well how do you know that what's that based on where is the evidence because that's i believe there is always going to be this cultural war between the left and the right but we will look at our states and entrancing again but came out of this report they said that those people who were better educated were more likely to be left leaning me an interesting finding far right wing think tank i would have thought very great to talk to thank you very much of a for joining us live did for him and that set for them here a lot or you'll have more news for you in half an hour from no.

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i should return to new watching another lockdown edition of going underground coming out of the show as u.s. security forces prepared to retreat from portland after accusations of gassing beating and kidnapping protestors is the war against racial capitalism far from over we ask longtime protest organizer and vice chair of the oregon democrats black caucus gregory. and his nasa launches its historic perseverance rover to mars to look for signs of life is it the end of us a gemini in unlocking the secrets of the universe after chinese attempts to make history on the red planet we ask alan stern who is leading the 1st ever mission to explore pluto about how high the stakes are when it comes to space all this and more coming up in this lockdown edition of going underground but 1st let's go to portland to gregory mchale he's the vice chair of the oregon democrats black caucus gregory what on earth is going on in portland we're seeing images all over the internet of tear gas of warfare not seen even in even in countries where

the u.n. is impose sanctions on. yeah it's really appalling to see in the streets of berlin it's right downtown in the heart of our city and every night appears to look like a war zone we have troops in camouflage alise point here gas and flash bangs and it's absolute chaos downtown portland and it's hard to see in a city that i love so much now you know the john wolf the boss of the department of homeland security says you're all violent and i casts on the streets of poland apparently they are using george w. bush's 2002 homeland security act 200 to not change under president obama that allows the federal security security forces to attack what they presumably see as violent advocates yeah i mean i'm not violent and i care if they have never committed violent at a protest my.