the trump administration is sending its highest level delegation to taiwan which is angering china why now and what will the trip mean for american chinese well ations we'll take a look at that on this is politics. of politicking on larry king it was announced this week that u.s. health and human services secretary aleksei czar will soon lead a delegation to taiwan the announce one has angered china which considers taiwan a rogue province so what's behind the timing of this trip and once his impact on american chinese relations let's start there with joel rubin former deputy assistant secretary of state in the obama administration and

a democratic strategist he joins us from maryland hi larry it's great to be with you ok joe what's behind this trip of human services secretary alex aids are going to taiwan. the delegation visit to taiwan is significant because it's part of a trend right now that we see from the trump administration of provoking china in many regards and we are watching the slow to move towards a cold war now with china which is very dangerous for our national security and deeply problematic but it's also very political in certainly heading into the 2020 election where president trump is trying to define himself as dance i can't i'm a candidate and joe biden is the pro china candidate and how do you see that playing out. i think that the american people are very wise about understanding that china while the source of the krona virus there in china is not the cause of

the catastrophe we have here at home in terms of managing the coronavirus and president trump is trying to tell you that together but it's not working and so he's getting more desperate in his rhetoric quite frankly about china continually using ethnic slurs about the virus and now facing pressure internally to break a trade agreement that he had made with china probe a preliminary one so he seems to be very much grasping at straws to try to find a way to stick a negative argument on joe biden about china and nothing is work and i think that's because the american people understand that that's that's a bit farfetched to blame china for everything and joe biden as a result. didn't play i do you think it will play in the election. no i think that what we saw in 2016 was president trump effectively talking about trade which is a real concern for american voters and unfair trade practices coming from china

theft of intellectual property real meaning to take issues that did win him a lot of votes in 2016 people aren't talking about that right now and so where president trump is trying to take us on china is unclear it's not as if he's laying out a vision for what to do about china he and his administration are just ratcheting up negative rhetoric and i don't hear the american body politic we don't hear it clamoring for a new cold war with china but we see it on capitol hill monk's hocks not however amongst the left and so it's it's to me it's a peculiar strategy quite frankly in terms of galvanizing voters it's very different now from 2016 it's way via in the coronavirus as an issue right. yeah i agree with that and i think the administration it does does have some space

to argue that china was not transparent with the coronavirus at the beginning and and it essentially created a slow start for us in terms of our response but that was months ago and we've had it here now for nearly half a year and at this stage in the game it's the american government that has to be responsible for what happens here in the united states related to the spread of the virus and that's why president trump's handling of the virus in terms of his poll numbers are very low like a 3rd approval so blaming china time and again as he has has not stuck in the as a winning political issue. elsewhere on wednesday former deputy attorney general sally yates told lawmakers that lie the barack obama nor joe biden attempted to influence the f.b.i.'s investigation of incoming national security adviser michael flem during a january 2017 oval office meeting with national security officials is this the end

of that battle when is it go from here is michael flynn still a story. what we were watching it in the process in i'll get to the substance but in the process we have a senate committee in the midst of a pendant an economic meltdown one holding oversight hearings about an issue that has been litigated for years and settled and so we see ron johnson leading this charge along with lindsey graham in the senate trying to tag a scandal to joe biden they're using their perch in the congress as an electoral advantage maker and sally it's today popped the balloon of the theory that there was some nefarious plot by barack obama and joe biden to undermine donald trump and she essentially said no there was not that the investigation into michael flynn was conducted by law enforcement in the intelligence apparatus and it was not directed by biden and and obama and that's the theory they want to make but she shot that

down and she was a direct witness to those those discussions a new u.n. report joe says that north korea is still working on a superior program several countries think that jim yong has made gains in producing ballistic missiles with nuclear devices attached what do you make of that . yeah it we're in a deeply dangerous phase right now with north korea we've taken our eye off the ball of diplomacy with north korea it's not to say that were to blame for the failure completely by any stretch north korea is is being very. obstinate they did not want to meet with our diplomats time and again but our policy is not figured out how to get around that blockage which has been the traditional north korea position kim is doing what he intends to do prior to election season which is why i think his muscles and reminding the world and reminding the united states in this case that our capabilities and quite likely nuclear missiles and that's

a real threat to japan and and our allies in asia will trump what shaking hands with the leader and saying with all the positive things he said he might go to north korea what happened although i was a supporter of president trump meeting with kim and i felt like that was the kind for that could open up a dialogue but we didn't see the follow through and it was always the caviar people like myself and others who were saying it's good to meet but you have to have a program and you have to have a dialogue and in many ways the team that president trump appointed to lead in this negotiation led by mike pump halo and then as secretary of state mike pump a 0 and the previous national security advisor john bolton they had a program that was diametrically opposed to diplomacy and a program that has failed and the president trump tried to change but president trump he's the ultimate decider here he's the commander in chief and he just didn't

have to run the diplomacy on making can judge and on bring the system working with our allies in the region and getting china on board all of the complicated piece instead it takes he didn't have the follow through and so kim is acting as kim has acted before is really no behavior change for kim except maybe a home testing but he can now claim that he has succeeded in bringing legitimate misty to his worst fear of people who support diplomacy which is to give something at the table and get nothing in return and that seems to be where we are right now . a so when you say that our relationship with north korea has deteriorated and we've lost in that battle it don't think it's deteriorated by having the president of the united states meet in person with the leader of north korea one would expect to get more benefits but we didn't and so we've lost that diplomatic car that sort of carrot of a meeting in a legitimization of north korea where we would get something in return and so we

have less chips to play quite frankly and we have to really step back and reassess how to put the pressure on how to continue to engage and how to come up with a different diplomatic program and set of asks than we currently have because what we're doing right now is not leading to any conclusion which ultimately benefits north korea's ability to take unilateral actions as it appears that they enjoy doing. what's the tech talk for storing the i think. well i've got 3 daughters who love tick-tock so i have to be very careful about what i say because i know it's their new world and now that they're in quarantine here at home tick tock amongst the youth they tend to say that donald trump is opposed to it because they were effective at sabotaging his toast a rally and so there's a lot of suspicion a months tick tock users and then when one comes valley in recent hearings that

have mark zuckerberg at it he made an allusion to competition coming from china and trying to get the white house to weigh in to block that competition which is the kind of behavior that dr berg likes to to engage and i think that you have dynamic competition online and have social media platform bring out activism has to talk does and engage people to talk is very popular but it does have to be safe and we have to have security protocol and if an american company microsoft in this case is talking about it can demonstrate that they can provide security protocol it should be allowed to buy it without interference from the political leadership at the white house which is the order of trying to guide this if not kill it and that would be a shame for america as the men and free speech. let's turn to politics. are you surprised at how far joe biden is ahead in the polls. it's

it's it's a moment where the american people seem to be looking for a change and that is certainly supporting them but you're saying the growth in we in the lead for joe biden and the direct one to one person to person contest if there was ideal conditions from a year ago that were for donald trump maybe we have different scenario but one doesn't determine what the reality is of the moment and the reality of the moment is that americans are suffering and they look at joe biden as an alternative who has a track record that they can count on and i think that's why we see in swing states in particular biden up by one or 2 points across the board in addition to states that recently turned blue he has a much more significant lead and they feel comfortable with him they know who he is now and know what he has done and the person in the white house is not giving them confidence that he can turn it around whoa and you like to see him pick as his running mate. well i think that he has great choices i'll put it that way and

clearly the campaign and the vice president are taking their time inventing there are so many good leaders group national security leaders like susan rice politically you know what is best warren ecomil harris and karen bass and trial demis really from a democratic perspective which is where i said any of them are going to be the kind of a value add to a ticket that's going to excite people and i don't mean that to sound generic but we've got such a strong crop of people there that it's going to be a great team joel rubin as always thanks for your time today thanks larry we'll be right back with more politicking. some are solutions where every summer we look at solutions from all the problems to

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a mate in the shallowness. but back to politicking continue the conversation now with chris wilson he was director of research and digital strategy for ted cruz is 2016 campaign he's c.e.o. of w.p.a. intelligence he's in oklahoma city course thanks for joining us is the president in trouble. you know i think any incumbent president is having to deal with governing in the middle of a pandemic is going to have challenges and that's current clearly what we're seeing right now we went from having the best economy in american history to the worst economy of american history in a matter of months if not days and yet it creates challenges so i think no matter who the incumbent is and do having to govern under this scenario is creates

problems and creates trouble so yes it's be be foolish of me to say anything other than that. we got more primaries this week in kansas kris kobach lost his bid that helps trump me. i don't know that helps trump but it helps republicans keep the senate i think kris kobach he was a republican nominee for governor 2 years ago and lost and it's very rare for republican to lose an election in kansas you know home of bob dole and so if he had been the nominee i think it would have it would have probably put that seat into jeopardy and so they missed mcconnell in the republican majority in the senate as a lot safer today i don't really think it would have had any impact on the trump campaign though 'd and so it was from a standpoint what it does help though is it's clear that the president was roger marshall and it. probably had gotten close to endorsement didn't it never did make one that was the 1st phone call that marshall made last night when he was declared the winner was to the president. what do you make of the senate can the republicans

keep it. if the election were held today i think it be bad for republicans but it's a good thing as elections are held in august they're held in november and so there's plenty of time for campaigns to be run and i think there are a lot of races i'll give you some statistics larry when a incumbent is running for reelection and the president wins his state and there are the same party that incumbent wins 90 percent of the time it's president loses his or her state an incumbent only wins 65 percent of the time that's a pretty big difference so you look at it it's likely that the president loses maine in colorado it's not a done deal but it's likely and so that makes you know a couple of uphill races there for cory gardner and susan collins but i will say if there are 2 people you would want having to fight an uphill battle would be. it would be susan collins in maine and cory gardner in colorado they are both very well liked they are strong indefatigable campaigners and i think they'll both end

up winning on election day so you take that and then you look at it's likely that the president's trying to get wins in north carolina where you've got it could suffer a surfer thom tillis but i think that helps him win like of 7 of the 9 percent number and then it's likely the president wins in arizona or martha my sound is going to tough with tough race but again remember that 90 percent number and it's likely the president wins in iowa where you've got in montana he's certainly going to win where there's also tough races so i think over. all the senate they may lose coming out of cedar or so behind on those races i just went through but you've got to factor in alabama we're talking tougher bills republican nominee running is incumbent democrat doug jones who's doug jones is not going to get reelected that's just the bottom line i don't care how much democrats want to spend that they're going to spend they have a chance or they don't and so tom tucker bill is going excellent seat there and that gives republicans one season is an extra seat to play with in terms of the scenario. no as it's going to be close it will definitely be club. president spent

a lot of time up the road in the capitol casting votes in the 2021. but a recent interview the president gave with jonathan swann of actually owes news discussing the corner of horror virus did you think the president equated himself well. you know i think there's a lot that you can unpack from that interview and i think jonathan proved himself over and over again to the you know the budding larry king he's just a phenomenal you're going to get the most out of people but i think it's unfortunate i think what the interview has become. because the left loves to take up serps and use them to attack trauma but the reality is is what you had in energy it was dollars from trying to share what he's doing for the country in an unprecedented pandemic you know we don't have any interviews of we don't have any video of interviews during the spanish flu so who knows maybe it was the same kind of thing but and then they try to turn that into a gotcha so look at we've all had fun with the freeze frames of swan's reactions

and they're funny and everybody loves a freeze frame of the people posting about them i think are saying really more about themselves and one serious reaction to a very deadly serious situation and the reality is when it gets down to what the president was trying to address is this is this is a large diverse liberty loving country and look again i know jonathan he i consider him a friend but australian the united states are not the same place and when the president can mobilize resources encourage people to do the right thing the federal government is not going to do same things here that they may do in australia when they may do in other countries around the world are not going to force people to not congregate not go to church and are going to force people to stay home and refused and neglect doing things that we want to do as a freedom loving country and that maybe governments of the free countries have done so did he handle himself well i think he handled himself the way that we've gotten used to handling and i think we've also had the kind of reactions we've got used to having over the last 4 years. the thing called the 19 is going to be the number one

issue in november. you don't like i think it will unless there's a vaccine and vaccine vaccination is approved before then it would not be the ultimate october surprise you know we like to sit around every 4 year talk about what might be the october surprise going into a presidential election a think through back in 2000 and the 2000 election remember the george w. bush's deal i came out the weekend before the election we kind of had a series of these that have hit it what have what would what would happen and what would be the reaction from the mainstream media from democrats from even the biden campaign if the trumpet ministration was able to relax regulations and push through a back to nation in october well one hand can save a lot of lives on the other hand it probably takes biden campaigns the biden campaign's number one issue off the table and i think you know look i worked in a lot of campaigns and you kind of you struggle with things and that would be a difficult position being in if that does not occur then yes absolutely i think

and it's not just coakley 19 it's the impact it's had on the economy the impact it's had on freedom i think all those things together are are facets of it but if it's all in the same situation is today no question it's the number one issue. you don't want to rush to a vaccine though if you have bring it out too soon and it doesn't work yeah well exactly who do you try it out on who becomes the guinea pigs who's going to step forward to do that it's it's a really difficult situation to be in. now warning of thoughts on on joe biden and it's hard to dislike joe biden when you agree. you know i mean he's going around a long time he is the only been around a long time he's been in office longer than i've been alive although many of your viewers probably won't believe that but you know the thing is about biden is he is there's no joe biden campaign functionally at this point it's sort of you know i played basketball my whole life and we used to try and run

a fast break off ants and we used to really hate those those teams that ran a 4 corners off insta trying to run out the clock and that's why i love that the shot clock came out when i was in high school and i was really pretty sure that there's a shot clock on jokes joe biden and right now he is doing everything he can to run out the clock and he's let the mainstream media run his campaign for him and there's not any larry i would challenge you or your next guest or any of you or say that name me one policy that joe biden has submitted and has advanced in terms of an idea that could change the challenges we have right now there's no biden ideas there's no one around by the want to talk about the policy democrat party party so all they want to do is hide and wait and hope and yet joe biden is a likable person but every time he goes on t.v. and every time he has an interview he put himself in a more difficult situation a more difficult position and frankly i think is probably his best strategy would be what they seem to be doing for most of july which is just keep him in his

basement which of his proposed vice presidential nominees concern to the most as a republican. well i don't know who else proposers been so many trial balloons floated and at this point that i just none of them i think are strategic in their nature you got a list before and it was from massachusetts he's definitely massachusetts you've got counsel harris who's from. from california he's definitely go in california you've got some some members of congress that frankly i can't even name because there's been so many that have come up and i don't really know of any of them i remember the one in her name escapes me right now from florida who had praised fidel castro and that's not exactly what you want in a candidate for the highest office a 2nd highest office in the land so she immediately denounced that but i think from a overall standpoint gets down to it the vice presidential pick is not really all that important it doesn't make a big difference all he has to do is not screw it up and look there is i think what

biden's choices larry is if he truly wants to be a transformational figure does he pay appoint somebody who is the future of the party who's a common heris unclip she's young she is fresh i think she really did herself well in the presence of campaign or does it take someone who represents his generation the party and elizabeth warren who is about his same age and doesn't represent the future so much i think that's going to be the issue an aspect of a strategic areas whether or not it is a choice for the future or a choice that represents his generation and based on that decision i think will tell us a lot about what he is what he's trying to accomplish and what he and what message he's going to try and send for the fall what do you think of making the census and there a way. you know i am i. live in open city oklahoma and have watched our governor send out multiple messages to make sure everybody fills out the census as quickly as possible because everybody wants to be

well represented having said that ah so i understand that there is there are not a lot of government resources right now to. go to. direct to the census so i always hesitate to 2nd guess decisions that are made by people who have more information or more facts on a certain situation i do and so i don't know that i make much out of it other than that i am hoping that it's being made for for honorable reasons. what is what is the w.p.a. your organization what do you do well we are a data analytics predictive modeling company and so larry i'm going to create your viewers out too much but if they see an ad that. on your program that they think targets them directly well odds are it does and we take data millions and millions of data points to put in perspective in 2018 we built over 3000000000 with a b.

voter scores that we scored to the american voting public predicting one of the few things whether they would vote who to vote for and what messages might motivate them to vote or persuaded of them now i would argue in private surprise you to hear this that it is the way campaigns are meant to be run. that's not spend too much time not having your back thanks so much. thanks that was good to see you again we thank you for joining us as well remember you can join the conversation on my facebook page tweet may have changed things you know forget to use the politicking hash tag that's all for this edition politicking.

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speak. with a strong note those 2. points your thirst for action. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guests of the world of politics small business i'm show business i'll see that. greetings and salutation with millions across the united states facing the victims over 150000 u.s. citizens no longer with us due to the u.s.

government's abject failure in responding to the cold with 19 pandemic and weather experts now predicting hurricane season is set to unleash at least 13 brutal hurricanes on u.s. shores in the coming months i bet with all of that you cannot guess where the priorities of the united states congress were focused this week. if you guess funneling more money into the pentagon you my friends are correct you win the new car yes time magazine is reporting that tucked neatly into the senate republicans latest $1.00 trillion dollar coded 19 response package is a nice $8000000000.00 into pentagon weapons systems built by defense contractors like boeing lockheed martin and general dynamics and what kind of virus and disease fighting weapons will this $8000000000.00 buy us tax paying citizens well time magazine goes on report that the bill would deposit to point to be.