author of beating the dragon. the trump administration is sending its highest level delegation to taiwan which is angering china why now and what will the trip mean for american chinese well ations we'll take a look at that on there's. the politicking on larry king it was announced this week that u.s. health and human services secretary alex a czar will soon lead a delegation to taiwan the announce one has angered china which considers taiwan a rolled province so what's behind the timing of this trip and once his impact on american chinese relations let's start there with joel rubin former deputy

assistant secretary of state in the obama administration and a democratic strategist he joins us from maryland hi larry it's great to be with you ok joe what's behind this trip of human services secretary alexander's are going to taiwan the delegation visit to taiwan is significant because it's part of a trend right now that we see from the trump administration of provoking china in many regards and we are watching the slow to move towards a cold war now with china which is very dangerous for our national security and deeply problematic but it's also very political in certainly heading into the 2020 election where president trump is trying to define himself as dance academy candidate and joe biden as the pro china candidate and how do you see that playing out. i think that the american people are very wise about understanding that china

while the source of the krona virus there in china is not the cause of the catastrophe we have here at home in terms of managing the coronavirus and president trump is trying to tell you that together but it's not working and so he's getting more desperate in his rhetoric quite frankly about china continually using ethnic slurs about the virus and now facing pressure internally to break a trade agreement that he had made with china probe a preliminary one so he seems to be very much grasping at straws to try to find a way to stick a negative argument on joe biden about china and nothing is work and i think that's because the american people understand that that's that's a bit farfetched to blame china for everything and joe biden as a result. didn't play i do you think it will play in the election. i think that what we saw in 2016 was president trump effectively talking about trade which is

a real concern for american voters and unfair trade practices coming from china theft of intellectual property real meaning to take issues that did win him a lot of votes in 2016 people aren't talking about that right now and so where president trump is trying to take us on china is unclear it's not as if he's laying out a vision for what to do about china he and his administration are just ratcheting up negative rhetoric and i don't hear the american body politic we don't hear it clamoring for a new cold war with china but we see it on capitol hill monks hocks not however amongst the left and so it's it's to me it's a peculiar strategy quite frankly in terms of galvanizing voters it's very different now from 2016 it's way via in the coronavirus is an issue ripe. yeah i agree with that and i think the administration it does does have some space

to argue that china was not transparent with the coronavirus at the beginning and and it essentially created a slow start for us in terms of our response but that was months ago and we've had it here now for nearly half a year and at this stage in the game it's the american government that has to be responsible for what happens here in the united states related to the spread of the virus and that's why president trump's handling of the virus in terms of his poll numbers are very low like a 3rd approval so blaming china time and again as he has has not stuck in the as a winning political issue. elsewhere on wednesday former deputy attorney general sally yates told lawmakers that lie the barack obama on or joe biden attempted to influence the f.b.i.'s investigation of incoming national security adviser michael flem during a january 2017 although office meeting with national security officials is this the

end of that battle a where does it go from here is michael flynn still a story. well we're watching it in the process in i'll get to the substance but in the process we have a senate committee in the midst of a panda and an economic meltdown holding oversight hearings about an issue that has been litigated for years and settled and so we see ron johnson leading this charge along with lindsey graham in the senate trying to tag a scandal to joe biden they're using their perch in the congress as an electoral advantage maker and sally it's today popped the balloon of the theory that there was some nefarious plot by barack obama and joe biden to undermine donald trump and she essentially said no there was not that the investigation into michael flynn was conducted by law enforcement and the intelligence apparatus and it was not directed

by biden and and obama and that's the theory they want to make but she shot that down and she was a direct witness to those those discussions a new u.n. report joe says that north korea is still working on a snoopy a program several countries think that jim yong has made gains in producing ballistic missiles with nuclear devices attached what do you make of that. yeah it we're in a deeply dangerous phase right now with north korea we've taken our eye off the ball of diplomacy with north korea it's not to say that were to blame for the failure completely by any stretch north korea is is being very. obstinate they do not want to meet with our diplomats time and again but our policy is not figured out how to get around that blockage which has been the traditional north korea position kim is doing what he intends to do prior to election season which is flexing his muscles and reminding the world and reminding the united states in this

case that our capabilities and quite likely nuclear missiles and that's a real threat to japan and and our allies in asia will trump what shaking hands with the leader and saying with all the positive things he said he might go to north korea what happened although i was a supporter of president trump meeting with kim and i felt like that was the kind for that could open up a dialogue but we didn't see the follow through and it was always the caviar people like myself and others who were saying it's good to meet but you have to have a program and you have to have a dialogue and many ways the team that president trump appointed to lead in this negotiation led by mike pump halo and then as secretary of state mike pump a oh and the previous national security advisor john bolton they had a program that was diametrically opposed to diplomacy and a program that has failed and the president trumped tried to change the president trump he's the ultimate decider he's the commander in chief and he just didn't have

to run the diplomacy on making can the sions on bring the system working with our allies in the region and getting china on board all of the complicated piece and that it takes he didn't have the follow through and so kim is acting as kim has acted before is really no behavior change for kim except maybe a home testing but he can now claim that he has succeeded in bringing legitimacy to see to his worst fear of people who support diplomacy which is to give something at the table and get nothing in return and that seems to be where we are right now. a so when you say that our relationship with north korea has deteriorated and we've lost in that battle it don't think it's deteriorated by having the president of the united states meet in person with the leader of north korea one would expect to get more benefits but we didn't and so we've lost that diplomatic car that sort of carrot of a meeting in

a legitimization of north korea where we would get something in return and so we have less chips to play quite frankly and we have to really step back and reassess how to put the pressure on how to continue to engage and how to come up with a different diplomatic program and set of asks than we currently have because what we're doing right now is not leading to any conclusion which ultimately benefits north korea's ability to take unilateral actions as it appears that they enjoy doing. what's that tech talk for storing the i think. well i've got 3 daughters who love tick-tock so i have to be very careful about what i say because i know it's their new world and now that they're in quarantine here at home tick tock amongst the youth they tend to say that donald trump is opposed to it because they were effective at sabotaging his toast a rally and so there's a lot of suspicion the months tick tock users and then when one comes valley in

recent hearings that have mark zuckerberg at it he made an allusion to competition coming from china and trying to get the white house to weigh in to block that competition which is the kind of behavior that dr berg likes to to engage in i think that you have dynamic competition online and have social media platform bring out activism has to talk does and engage people to talk is very popular but it does have to be safe and we have to have security protocol and if an american company microsoft in this case is talking about it can demonstrate that they can provide security protocol it should be allowed to buy it without interference from the political leadership at the white house which is sort of trying to guide this if not kill it and that would a shame for america as the men and free speech. let's turn to politics. are you surprised at how far joe biden is ahead in the polls. it's it's

it's a moment where the american people seem to be looking for a change and that is certainly supporting him but you're saying the growth in we in the lead for joe biden and the direct one to one person to person contest if there was ideal conditions from a year ago that were for donald trump maybe we have different scenario but one doesn't determine what the reality is of the moment and the reality of the moment is that americans are suffering and they look at joe biden as an alternative got a track record that they can count on and i think that's why we see in swing states in particular biden up by one or 2 points across the board in addition to states that recently turned blue he has a much more significant lead and they feel comfortable with him they know who he is and know what he's he's done and the person in the white house is not giving them confidence that he can turn it around cohen you'd like to see him pick as his

running mate. well i think that he has great choices i'll put it that way and clearly the campaign and the vice president are taking their time in vetting there are so many good leaders and group national security leaders like susan rice colin piccalilli eaters what is best war in the comma harrison karen bass and val demings really from a democratic perspective which is where i said any of them are going to be the kind of value add to a ticket that's going to cite people and i don't mean that to sound generic but we've got such a strong crop of people there that it's going to be a great team giovanna as always thanks for your time today thanks larry we'll be right back with more politicking.

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research and digital strategy for ted cruz's 2016 campaign and he's c.e.o. of government p.a. intelligence he's in oklahoma city course thanks for joining us is the president in trouble. you know i think any incoming president is having to deal with governing in the middle of a pandemic is going to have challenges and that's current clearly what we're seeing right now we went from having the best economy in american history to the worst economy american history in a matter of months if not days and yet it creates challenges so i think no matter who the incumbent is and having to govern under this scenario is creates problems and creates trouble so yes it's be be foolish of me to say anything other than that . we got more primaries this week in kansas kris kobach lost his bid that helps trump me. i don't know that helps trump but it helps republicans keep the senate i

think kris kobach he was the republican nominee for governor 2 years ago and lost and it's very rare for republican to lose an election in kansas you know home of bob dole and so if he had been the nominee i think it would have it would have probably put that seat into jeopardy and so they missed mcconnell in the republican majority in the senate as a lot safer today i don't really think it would have had any impact on the trump campaign though and so it was from a standpoint what it does help though is it's clear that the president was roger marshall and it. probably had gotten close to endorsement didn't it never did make one that was the 1st phone call that marshall made last night when he was declared the winner was to the president. what do you make of the senate can the republicans keep it. if the election were held today i think it be bad for republicans but it's a good thing as elections are held in august they're held in november and so there's plenty of time for campaigns to be run and i think there are a lot of races i'll give you some interesting statistics larry when a incumbent is running for reelection and the president wins his state and they're

of the same party that incumbent wins 90 percent of the time its president loses his or her state an incumbent only wins 65 percent of the time that's a pretty big difference so you look at it it's likely that the president loses maine in colorado it's not a done deal but it's likely and so that makes you know a couple of uphill races there for cory gardner and susan collins but i will say if there are 2 people you would want having to fight an uphill battle would be. it would be susan collins in maine and cory gardner in colorado they are both very well liked they are strong indefatigable campaigners and i think they'll both end up winning on election day so you take that and then you look at it's likely that the president's trying to get wins in north carolina where you've got it could suffer a surfer thom tillis but i think that helps him win like of 7 of the 9 percent number and then it's likely the president wins in arizona or more of the mix i was going to tough with tough race but again remember that 90 percent number and it's

likely the president wins in iowa where you've got in montana he's certainly going to win where there's also tough races so i think over. all the senate they may lose come out a seat or so behind on those races i just went through but you've got to factor in alabama we're talking tougher bills republican nominee running is incumbent democrat doug jones who's doug jones is not going to get reelected that's just the bottom line i don't care how much democrats want to spend that they're going to spend they have a chance or they don't and so timing cover bill is going excellent seat there and it gives republicans won seats and it's an extra seat to play with in terms of the scenario no ours is going to be close and it will definitely be club. president spent a lot of time up the road in the capital casting votes in 2021. but a recent interview the president gave with jonathan swann of actually shows news discussing the cone of horror virus did you think the president equated himself well. you know i think there's

a lot that you can unpack from that interview and i think jonathan proves himself over and over again to the you know the budding larry king he's just a phenomenal and really get the most out of people but i think it's unfortunate i think what the interview has become because the left loves to take up circus and use it to attack drama but the reality is is what you had in energy it was dollars from trying to share what he's doing for the country an unprecedented pandemic you know we don't have the interviews of we don't have any video of interviews during the spanish flu so who knows maybe it was the same kind of thing but and then they try to turn that into a gotcha so look at we've all had fun with the freeze frames of swan's reactions and they're funny and everybody loves a freeze frame of the people posting about them i think are saying really more about themselves and one serious reaction to a very deadly serious situation and the reality is when it gets down to it what the president was trying to address is this is this is a large diverse liberty loving country and look at me again i know jonathan he i

consider him a friend but australian the united states are not the same place and when the president can mobilize resources encourage people to do the right thing the federal government is not going to do same things here that they may do in australia when they may do in other countries around the world are not going to force people to to not congregate not go to church and are going to force people to stay home and refused and neglect doing things that we want to do as a freedom loving country and that maybe governments of the free money countries have done so that he handle himself well i think he handled himself the way that we've gotten used to in handling and i think we've also had the kind of reactions we've gotten used to having over the last 4 years do you think over 19 is going to be the number one issue in november. you don't know i think it will lessers a vaccine a vaccine vaccination that is approved before then it would not be the ultimate october surprise and we'd like to sit around every 4 years and talk about what might be the october surprise going into a presidential election you think through back in 2000 and the 2000 election

remember the george w. bush's dui came out and the weekend before the election we kind of had a series of these that if it hit it what have what would what would happen and what would be the reaction from the mainstream media from democrats from even the biden campaign if the trump administration was able to relax regulations and push through a pax nation in october well i won hands can save a lot of lives on the other hand it probably takes biden campaigns the biden campaign's number one issue off the table and i think you know we've gotten a lot of campaigns and you kind of you struggle with things and that would be a difficult position being in if that does not occur then yes absolutely i think and it's not just code 19 it's the impact it's had on economy the impact it's had on freedom i think all those things together are are facets of it but if it's all in the same situation is today yes no question it's the number one issue you don't want to rush to a vaccine though if you have to bring it out too soon and it doesn't work. yeah

well exactly who to try it out on who becomes the guinea pigs who's going to step forward to do that it's it's a really difficult situation to be in. now what are your thoughts on joe biden and it's hard to dislike joe biden when you agree. you know i mean he's going around a long time he is the only better around a long time he's been in office longer than i've been alive although many of your viewers probably won't believe that but you know the thing is about biden is he is there's no joe biden campaign functionally at this point it's sort of you know i played basketball my whole life and we used to try and run a fast break off ants and we used to really hate those those teams that ran a 4 corners off insta trying to run out the clock and that's why i love that the shot clock came out when i was in high school and i was really pretty sure that there's a shot clock on jokes joe biden and right now he is doing everything he can to run out the clock and he's let the mainstream media run his campaign for him and

there's not any larry i would challenge you or your next guest or any of you or say that name me one policy that joe biden has so minute and has advanced in terms of an idea that could change the challenges we have right now there's no biden ideas there's no one around by you want to talk about the policy democrat party party so all they want to do is hide in wait and hope and yet joe biden is a likable person but every time he goes on t.v. and every time he has an interview he put himself in a more difficult situation a more difficult position and frankly i think his probably his best strategy would be what they seem to be doing for most of july was just keep him in his basement. which of his proposed vice presidential nominees concern to the most as a republican. well i don't know who else proposes than so many trial balloons floated and at this point that i just none of them i think are strategic in their

nature you've got elizabeth warren who's from massachusetts he's definitely one massachusetts you've got counsel harris who's from. from california he's definitely go in california you've got some some members of congress that frankly i can't even name because there's been so many that have come up and i don't really know of any of them i remember the one in her name escapes me right now from florida who had praised fidel castro and that's not exactly what you want in a candidate for the highest office a 2nd highest office in the land so she immediately denounced that but i think from a overall standpoint gets down to it the vice presidential pick is not really all that important it doesn't make a big difference all he has to do is not screw it up and look there is i think what biden's choices larry is if he truly wants to be a transformational figure does he keep appoint somebody who is the future of the party who's a common harrison quote she's young she is fresh i think she really did herself well in the presence of campaign or does it take someone who represents his generation the party and elizabeth warren who is about his same age and doesn't

represent the future so much i think that's going to be the issue an aspect of it strategically larry is whether or not it is a choice for the future or choice that represents his generation and based on that decision i think will tell us a lot about what he is what he's trying to accomplish and what he and what message he's going to try and send for the fall what do you think of making the census and early. you know i am i. live in oakland city oklahoma and have watched our governor send out multiple messages to make sure everybody fills out the census as quickly as possible because everybody wants to be well represented having said that ah so i understand that there is there are not a lot of government resources right now to. come to. direct to the census so i always hesitate to 2nd guess decisions that are made by people who have

more information or more facts on a certain situation i do and so i don't know that i make much out of it other than that my i'm hoping that it's being made for for honorable reasons. what is what is the w.p.a. your organization what do you do. well we're a data analytics predictive modeling company and so larry i'm going to creep your viewers out too much but if they see an ad that. on your program that they think targets them directly well odds are it does and we take data millions and millions of data points to put in perspective in 2018 we built over 3000000000 with a b. voter scores that we scored to the american voting public predicting one of the few things whether they would vote who to vote for and what messages might motivate them to vote or persuaded of now i would argue in prime's frys you to hear this that it is the way campaigns are meant to be run because that's not spend too much

time not having your back thanks so much right thanks that was good to see you again we thank you for joining us as well remember you can join the conversation on my facebook page tweet me at kings things you know forget to use the politicking hash tag that's all for this edition of politicking. for. a short time ago an american airplane run by tomorrow in hiroshima. still not clinging to him something topical konstantinov. tallent image after kim it's. like most americans growing up after the war the bombs were a great thing they ended the war they saved hundreds of thousands of lives on both

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right. i am max keiser this is kaiser report summer solutions where every summer we look at solutions of all the problems they cover on every other month of the year now today recovering big localization the dollar is ation the china for cation process which is game speed under trump but what has set in motion really on the summer 112-2001 when china became member of the world trade organization time avatar to chris fenton author of beating the dragon the stacey chris fenton welcome to the

christ report summer solutions you know we wanted to talk to you because this obviously.