all sorts of undemocratic practices were well fields of that world were well into this world and there's no question that the quitting cause. hello and welcome to cross talk were all things were considered on people about the mc maxwell saga is one of the most sensational stories of our time however media coverage appears to be limited to blur details and political overtones the single biggest question that needs to be answered is how all of this could have happened where was law enforcement and will justice be finally served.

discuss this and more i'm joined by my guest now is chris of oro and athens he's the director of the duran dot com and in milwaukee we have jennifer to master she is a federal law and compliance attorney or across up rules and in fact that means you can jump in in time you want to how was this going to jennifer in milwaukee this is the this saga continues on we're getting more and more documents that are being released and the thing that there's a real striking dichotomy in my mind in all of this is that a lot of these facts have been known for a very long time that we have had allegations made for a very long time there was a trial of. stand trial and was convicted of charges and then we have the media coverage of it in encino prince andrew. bill clinton depending on. what side of the

line was donald trump it seems to me there's so much focus a little details which i think is a sad comment on our culture and looking for political advantage instead of looking at really what is happening the failures. decades what you've raised is i think the crux of our time right now and i do think that this case is bringing it to light a couple things to say here with respect to what you have now truthfully and accurately stated but a couple things to state one is the fact that these are things as you said that we have known for a long time that we have that the public has known but somehow we don't know how we've known it we just know these things are out there but we don't believe they're actually factual enough to be bringing up in major conversations and that's because of mainstream media coverage or i should say lack thereof especially in the united states here so we've seen this complete you know shush on the level of that we're not sure what to believe and now is this is coming out there almost for staff to cover it but even still they're not covering it the way they should they're not

covering what an important story this is now yes it has been used for political advantage of my goodness the things that we have known are 1 some of the ties between us certain not only politicians but hollywood celebrities and of course as we know there are many hollywood celebrities that have come out being far more political than they probably should be but that's the connection there so what's come out in this recent document again is a non-prosecution agreement of course it was drafted by alan dershowitz who himself is implicated in some of the depositions statements of the victims and another thing that came out in this with a lot of media coverage immediately of course a in trying new guy trump hung out with a guy trying to guilty too and just kind of focusing on that one of the statements in the depositions very clearly says that trump was never seen by the victims at any events or on the scene island so again we are politicizing this but i think one thing that a train general bill barr did when he was testifying before the house committee the other day was try to distinguish himself from being a political actor and being. somebody that cared about the rule of law obviously we

saw that a lot of congress and women did not want to hear that or talk about the rule of law especially if it might help them politically but i think we do at least have an attorney general and i care a little bit more about the world law especially getting to the bottom of this having that now it's the fact that it's being so politicized now i think you want to talk about those comments and be later in the program but it seems to me that it is this intentional is this kind of a slow burn to constantly turn our attention away because it me in particular and there's this american thing with the royals in the u.k. you know prince andrew prince andrew in all of this and that's all nice and mine you know and i don't really care on the eat meat because it's very intimidating but you know it seems to me that as this trial because a set for next year next summer i want to go back to jennifer alyssa mean more and more people potentially could be coming out and we're going to how we have $46.00 charges right no 4 of trumpington to a perjury but more and more with. alleged victims come forward we're going

to have a lot more to chew on here but it seems to me you know it's you know trump went in and prince andrew's and not the focus on the bit was much where it should be so yeah i mean we should be focusing on the victims and it was the victim testimony that we're reading here but you know peter i mean everyone was on the mainstream media was reporting on clinton or dershowitz or prince andrew some of the other names that may come up maybe some hollywood names or maybe some some very powerful know business people ok fight bill clinton 26 times he was on that plane none of this is a surprise given bill clinton's history it doesn't it doesn't shock me the fact that bill clinton would be on epstein's island doesn't shock me doesn't make for interesting news ok it's an interesting revelation in the history of this. former

u.s. president but it shouldn't shock anyone nor should it shock anyone if you find out some hollywood celebrities were on this island either we're not talking about people that we should be looking up to hollywood and bill clinton but peter there is one name and there's one organization that we should all take a look at and it's an organization and a name that no one in the mainstream media is reporting on and that is the f.b.i. the f.b.i. and robert mueller robert mueller and b i the f.b.i. of bill clinton yes b.-i of george w. bush the f.b.i. of barack obama both democrat and republican this is not about politics is the f.b.i. that had the prince andrew picture they had it this is the f.b.i. that did not for some reason for some reason would not give over evidence to the victim's side they could prosecute epstein and i make the you're wrong i believe that was 2015 i could be corrected if that here is not correct but they have the

evidence they wouldn't cooperate with the victims we need to ask the question now and i think you know i'm going with this what is the f.b.i. protecting there steve was and steve working for the f.b.i. i don't know i'm just giving opinions i'm getting you know they're made from what i read you know you're asking a very valid question look at carter page i mean he was constantly being asked who he was working for he actually had a relationship with the with the cia but he was allowed to say it ok can i just say how it's a cost i remember when when they asked him a question you know way back you know what why didn't you go after this or why to going out there still he said something along the lines of i was told not to because this guy is intelligence is intelligence or is being protected by telling just something like that i forgot the exact quote but there you have it was the f.b.i. using epstein in order to get salacious details about powerful people look in order to leverage those that information we have to ask these questions and the other question i have to ask is. why robert mueller robert mueller there he is again the

same guy that was going after trump during the russia gate hoax there he is again and there he is his f.b.i. crissy the victims to try and get information or trying to connect trump to mc i mean they were trying so hard to connect trying to se what is going on here you know what is going on here you know jennifer if you know if the 2 perjury charges really kind of interest me because those are slam dunks you said this one time now you're saying that that's an easy when they don't and easily provable ok because you don't need any witness this is your own words being used against you here again and the last time we talked about it i'm still troubled by the charges themselves because it seems to why go away or just turn away from a mountain of other things as you said in your 1st answer we kind of know a lot of these things here ok and the justice department is focusing on very very specific things is i get the impression is it they they want you they will they

want to penalize they they want to. see a conviction here because a conviction is very important for me because in the say we did something but going back to what i would say didn't look like they had been doing the law for a very long time seems to me very convenient go ahead jennifer exactly nothing you know what alex was dead on point there i would even take it one step further because yes if this was just jeffrey epstein's case said now if this was just if this was just about epstein maybe that would be one thing we talk about the f.b.i. or their use of intelligence this is max well this is somebody who is a u.k. citizen a british says and she lived in europe she had residences in europe and of course now these 7 residences in the u.s. but she has been she's a foreign which is a foreign national she was a for nascar she was a who still citizenship this is a woman though that has so many ties overseas that which implicates the cia so if alex acosta has come out and other start to come out that epstein had connections to intelligence that again. the cia has now also been implicated as we've seen

playing out now and durham's investigation a lot of other things that yes the f.b.i. was at the front and center but it almost makes one wonder as it is the f.b.i. sort of the silencing weighing or the prosecution weighing of the cia operations right silence this is our guy or this might be our guy but you can go after him we're just going to use them or we are used in many ways i mean these are a lot of questions that we had yet to be answered but this is that that is one of the most important things we need to see thing is i want to see this dead so you can't convict a dead guy so you know you have maxwell so it's quite you know not to absolve her of any kind of criminality and some of the things we've learned through documents i mean you don't have words for this kind of behavior but i mean it seems to me that you know she's going to think the f.b.i. is going to say we are taking care of this because we got a conviction on a perjury charge ok this latest clean let's move on that's not satisfactory in my mind go ahead tell us no it's not satisfactory at all you know what happened to

have seen is not satisfactory so i mean they have to get to the bottom of this peter they have to get to the bottom of this robert mueller needs to be questioned the f.b.i. works for the d.o.j. that's bars d.o.j. that's a cheap bars d.o.j. he needs to get to the bottom of this and robert mueller definitely has some answers i mean this is crystal clear now this point robert mueller has some answers as to what was going on with epstein and what was going on with claim that's well we need to get to the bottom of this well that's that's what i got from everything that i read ok ok you saw him present his findings to congress one of the most pathetic presentations in the history of media and in congress and so you have confidence if you were to housman question would be you know being of sound mind to be able to answer it i mean it seems to be a trend here you know it's like by bill it's my. you know in the crisper way rate

which is a completely useless person what does he do ok how is he earning his wage as head of the f.b.i. ok i mean it seems to me that all these all of these individuals are silent ok and it's convenient that their son that's the problem that's that is the problem is they're silent when it's convenient for them but now we have these testimonies we have the documents in front of us and we know that they were hiding information they were hiding information that could have saved many many victims a lot of crieff a lot of pain a lot of agony and they weren't turning over that information i have to ask myself why and it wasn't a republican thing or a democrat thing this spans 3 presidencies 3 both republican and democrat they have the answers they have and the u.s. government has the answers. ok you got jennifer quick real quick before we go to the break overhead like absolutely going back to peter's going back to i'm sorry to

alex's point here this was this is a republican and democrat thing there have been so many convictions so many charges and so many indictments for republicans and democrats and so this is not a political think it should be used as a political thing this is video that. any now i'm really glad you said that because that's what. makes us different from other media because i'm not looking for a political angle here i'm trying to understand how the f.b.i. could let this happen on a covered up i don't know if that's the right word right now we need to know more but this is huge and in these documents a dump slowly but surely you're telling us they didn't do their job or i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break you were discussing on the air mass. thinking of getting a new puppy once we got there she. didn't know it's still trapped in this tiny little wire we don't need a crate with him he will. freaking out and he will want to bring in anywhere near.

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by dog on a hearty. welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing that epstein maxwell saga. ok let's go back to alex in. the 1st time you were on cross talk and we talked about this story you asked that most fundamental question and it still remains to be answered where did the money come from and you know something about money is something you can track ok because they can track any of your financial endeavors whatsoever it's very very easy to do with meagerly or illegally but you just simply can't move money around without somebody noticing it you're this i don't know how

much maxwell house some people have said like 20000000 dollars you know houses all over the world 1st of all where did she get her money i mean i've never heard that was she ever gainfully employed i don't know anything about that but extremely wealthy and of course we have no idea how it made his money and his wealth is estimated to you know it's something like $700000000.00 or something like that so i mean again where is the f.b.i. and we are the tools of the state i mean you know people can lie and you can perjure yourself but money is money and it's something you can find out where it goes go ahead else you know where is the money you know another good question would be peter where is the 50600000005 cities where did that go where did that girl yes the i know this intelligence knows they know where the money is they know where it is claimed maxwell said that she did not have any communication. any communication with epstein for 10 years and jennifer can can elaborate on this we get documents

which show she was e-mailing in 2015 in her case i'm not a lawyer but i would imagine her case is dead just blown apart i didn't know epstein right stop communicating with him oh it was it was was she looking after epstein's money or was her money epstein's money let's not forget maxwell comes her history it is very interesting and very color you don't know what happened your father's money the pension funds exactly her father's money we don't know where it is either. yeah jennifer again you know if this is what really bothers me is that find perjury you should be punished for perjury absolutely and with members of the former administration or members of congress would live up to that ok but that's a different topic for a different program here but again you know i mean if you want to make a really solid case and follow the money and i don't top of it from what we know that has been put into the public square. of the activities of them seated in

maxwell they couldn't have done it alone they weren't flying the plane ok they want and if they were aircraft control controllers again if there were a lot of people around in this operation you know what are we going to learn about that again this is the thing ok if you have a list of flights the times from what airport to whatever who was working in the airports what did they see oh are we going to hear anything about that or is it you know perjury and that this is done go ahead jim. now this is my opinion i mean if they haven't read anything on this but the facts do seem to line it up 1st of all there are a lot of names even in the disclosures that have come out that are still redacted so it's rightly stated i mean this was these are names that none of us were really surprised by the ones that were released either we knew about them or we really care about them but there are still names within that deposition that are redacted there is a reason for that if those names are redacted that means there is an ongoing investigation into those redacted names of those people are not suicide at this

point and so so there is something else still going on we still the durham investigation we have multiple investigations i'm still going on what i'm going to say right here and again this is an opinion just based on evidence what i know from legal precedent or what are the kind of case you're trying to build and i'm going to try to refrain from making actual any kind of conclusions but if you follow him right now you know what i am going to give credit not only to have programs like this one to other programs that are trying to report on this and connect the dots going to get credit to a lot of a certain set. and journalists on social media that are taking a d.o.j. indictments and certain things and they're putting the pieces because the public and that is all around the world people are concerned about this the public relies on the media to piece together legal documents to piece together and date and so what so what's this department doing how might it affect this department so we're going to need a lot a lot of money laundering charges of a lot of money laundering indictments a lot of international money laundering bribery rico schemes some of these

indictments and we're not sure yet but i do believe that a lot of those are going to start to be pieced it together you brought up where does the money go will that with then go into money laundering it's not just going to go into person's bank the person b.'s bank account after they pay for you know whatever it is that they want it's going to be transferred through multiple financial institutions shell companies and organizations and so there would have to be massive rico investigations money laundering schemes that cross international borders and i believe that's what's happening if you look at some again some of the some citizen journalists on social media have had to be the ones taking the mantle and shows like this that are trying to piece together what we've seen but there are a number of those that are connecting to some of the same names that we've seen so i believe that there is a something that is being built that might even go beyond just the maxwell case yes perjury is not what we want to see we don't want maxwell on perjury nobody cares but i do believe there is a case that is being built that is going to be far beyond the next well because at the end of the day as we've stated here and as a public wants to know we want to know all the names we want to know where the

money was coming from we want to know who helped them hide it because the person the people who helped them hide these kinds of atrocious acts are just as guilty as anybody who facilitated them so we want to know governments that were involved if intelligence was involved and what happened and how we can stop that's going to come plus absolutely if you were knowledgeable of your income was. it is incumbent upon you to ask your own so i have to ask you the most the most difficult question is the saddest question here is it in you know if we use a constant i thought it was a intelligence. well do we why should we have any competence in the intelligence community in the f.b.i. to really get down to the truth because you know it when you know it will we know that this information is there we've got it jennifer's already what a lot of stuff is redacted still i mean it's really it is really important for them to come out and be transparent about this because there's so many people that talk about this you know and there was a woman on n.b.c. she built up this story for over

a year is here in their marriage but wasn't interested in it you know and this is still another one of those stories where there is why should we trust the media and why should we trust the authorities because it isn't at this point and i will say in my humble opinion it's an obvious whitewash go ahead especially after what happened tends to especially after what happened to mc it i'll say it again they need to get this right they need to get this right and we need to see some justice here and i think it's absolutely critical you know that the u.s. is just undergone 34 years of a russia gate hoax and it has been proven to be a complete and utter hoax the whole thing once again you have the same cast of characters in the russia gate hoax the same names are popping up here in this epstein saying the same exact names how many how many emmis n.b.c. and c.n.n. shows did we see how many democrats and republicans did we hear saying robert

mueller is a man of integrity if trump dares to go after mueller then we will impeach truckie is a man of the highest integrity the highest integrity robert mueller he was the man that was heading the f.b.i. uncovering what was and jennifer said it perfectly an international international organization of trafficking young girls young kids our daughters our sons this was the man the same man that was trying. both to get rid of trump trying to to overthrow the president of the united states was the same man that was heading the f.b.i. and had all the evidence and all the information about an international shout trafficking operation. in general i don't know if you saw them you know it's that i previously talked about how and dershowitz appearance on tucker carlson i don't

know if you saw but. i'm not a psychologist or anything but he definitely looked worried he looked very hacker very tired and chris busy usually is and i don't always agree with mr dershowitz. but it was a very interesting appearance i did a list kind of leave it open did you see that i did see bits and pieces of it and you don't have to be a psychologist to have seen that i think the word that came to my mind was desperate desperate to explain to exonerate to explain away it was it was troubling to see. fortunately not surprising again that's another name that was not surprising that's another name that people already knew was implicated we didn't know was actually implicated in some of the detailed horrific events that were described by the witness says but but this is somebody who knows a lot about this he did it he did not look well he looked scared. and frankly he should be everybody that was part of that should be and i believe at this point

we're looking at numbers that we can't even fathom right now and those are the names that are still redacted there in anybody's interest let me ask you this if you're thinking and professional experience and do you think that. those in the f.b.i. and the just. want to find if you are they looking for someone who's going to turn state's evidence and they are going to names are going to start naming names i mean you think this is what's really going on because they are pushing the trial for a year it gives them time to kind of probe and to see who will listen because with all of those names redacted you know i mean look there's a lot of. wondering if they're on their list and maybe get a hit in the shower you know is that we're hearing please what's your gut. so my gut tells me that there are now i believe there are some good guys there that's why i have talked about bill barr before i've studied his career i've studied his trajectory this is not a political person on this is a man who was ready for retirement was excited for and saw what was going on knew

what was going on more so than we might even realize and wanted to establish the rule of law i do believe that there has been massive massive corruption not only in the highest echelons of the f.b.i. but absolutely within the intelligence community and that doesn't just include the cia and i think we're starting to see evidence of that digits and this is what i'm seeing because i look for a trajectory of change we already know out to say this use data that we already know how bad it's been for years under the george bush administration or multiple administrations i mean the republican and democrat pry prior to right now there's been a culture of leaks there's been a culture a culture of intelligence assets of government officials i mean not just low level government officials f.b.i. or cia these are top level cia white house officials that are leaking things leaking confidential information to the york times the washington post it's all this for political gain for political purposes it turns out to be completely fabricated and what we are seen and now i'm seeing a trajectory away from the leaking culture yes you don't want anybody to cover

things up and hide things but when they're covering up the truth in favor of leaking out lies i have a problem with that is distinct from no we're building a much bigger case than anybody can understand and we're having to now connect international laundering operations international trafficking human trafficking horrific things crimes against humanity and it does take some time because remember we have a mainstream media especially in america there's already pains of the narrative and so in order to help the public to see this and there are people that are waking up that actually just want answers it's not political for them they do care about that they're going to. get. here and i think for our viewers we we still have to find out what actually happened to jeffrey m. cing that would be a good beginning i want to thank my guests in athens and in milwaukee i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are he see an xterm remember.

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