the national attention you're watching another lockdown edition of going underground a very special edition we're joined by one of the great philosophers of our time professor cornell west he joins me now from princeton in new jersey cornell thanks so much for coming on last time i spoke to earlier in the week there was a hurricane shades of climate change then we had the catastrophe in beirut i mean war what the 1st of all your out here no indeed indeed the 1st i just want to salute you. the mention you force for good. deed indeed while we are thoughts when you heard about what happened in the middle east in beirut where normally you often spoken about war crimes this it's open to question what happened but what if what if you thought about the terrible images well of me let's at least once again be pricker but just suffering place in the middle east people

not really wanting to tell the truth about the reasons of power and enquire in the middle east and we're going to find out you know who's responsible but i just i just. i'm of the opinion that. we've got to be bring honest and candid about the rule of the u.s. . court a nation of the israeli defense forces and the u.s. army but we shall see we shall see it's also of course important week because it's the 75th anniversary of the united states nuclear attack on hiroshima i've got to say angela davis on this show endorsed endorsed joe biden in november no i'm chomsky is endorsed joe biden do you think that joe biden will save us from another nuclear conflagration as we commemorate the dead of hiroshima were you do my duty to the world at the ju-ju you sit mon go because. we're all of course now we've got

a military units round we're russia and china have 30. 30 we've got $4800.00 military units in the whole world including the united states are they more important to legacy is one in which we have to take very seriously the relation between the poverty and all that militarism at home and abroad the unbelievable a materialist i'm a spiritual decay in the empire that we're talking about and then of course the white supremacy not just the black beat but indigenous people brown people arabs muslims jews per iranians and so forth so that just and loudest as angela i am quite add practices coalition i could see bowling for biden in a swing state but i can never get divorced an architect of the largest mass incarceration system in the modern world will target poor people disproportionate black and brown poor people or was or bragged about being part of the architecture

of the invasion occupation are iraqis over after me and precious iraqis feel on it it us a major not the patient not mumbling word. from anybody for the most part in the republican party this isn't except bernie sanders and rock on you except barbara leak but for the most part not a moment were so i love. and i may have fact if the f.b.i. had a choice between a neil liberal disaster or the o. s. task i would go to the older will disaster that's about me me the neoliberal disaster he's milk toast he's mediocre he has a new liberal centrist and he tied to wall street he's tied to pentagon he's tied to militarism and he was very much responsible for is jewish and all races prison system that was still coming to terms with in the killing fields on the killing fields of american get killed and barrio so that. where we're at on

president moment run we really aren't we really want to pit. lomas and in the history of the species a species itself could go under given the ecological catastrophe or nuclear catastrophe we were just telling levels of wealth inequality that are out of control that rediff runny muck and then the levels of corrupt shun me i think for example oh the great dust is good for us lads built from underground all the sick man i'm a spiteful man i'm a pleasant man out got liver disease america is a sick impact is a spiteful impact it's a most unpleasant and dark number one what human being on the inside we've got some woman on the inside we've got a magnificent courageous and visionary citizen on the inside but we are losing. we are losing we're resisting but we're still losing the greed the hatred wall

street pentagon is they are in control of the empire and they are taking off and the sad thing is that rest of the world has to deal with some of the ugly consequences any effects but i'm not despair i'm not paralyzed but despair but i'm very honest and candid about the dark of course your president donald trump would be the 1st to say that iraq was a mistake he would have said only the other day that one of the united states as great as mistakes was to be in the middle east he may not share your a ideas or that he had his a mini about climate change but he's the one who's saying intervention has been wrong that foreign policy has been wrong and he even argues that mass incarceration is is a biden policy is an obama policy. for no president trump has facilitated even more intensely vicious treatment the press is palestinians he is not just include when it's in yahoo need yahoo being the reactionary ceria leaders in awful

big to the core and has no feeling what so ever for precious ousting us here trucks are like white on rice like wet on war he also facilitate the kind the bishes treatment of our precious brothers sisters in yemen mediated through saudi arabia mediated through the elites on account will eat an accountable. prince a monarch and princes and so forth so that when he talks about is he got a critique of the united states of the middle east he's lying again yeah understates has blood on it and in saudi arabia and yemen has blood all it's an intel a beat in gaza and the west bank i don't know what he's talking about when he's talking about with the united states should never have intervened no this is always already is offering those armies could not. this is really me and saudi arabia without us support without imperial support and when we invite we invite israeli

ambassador we invite the is there any ambassador in london on the program but at netanyahu would certainly refute any charge of violence except in self defense and britain which played $550.00 palestinians behaviors in one month. spare me we were born at night but not last night but this is exactly what a cowardly leech what on principle powell would gates to say could be a trump in it'll be it modi be it was a narrow in brazil be at the hungry we're seeing the gangster is a schmuck who are all moving toward meal fascist rule and that's where our must be and of course truckers 'd are also oh that way he fastens well you mention saudi arabia britain together with the united states applies weapons that are used on yemen britain says it has a robust on selling policy and it's not responsible for

a war crimes of any kind in yemen. sounds like another russian position that would period least don't want to take responsibility for the damage from well for their own savitri it's fascinating how the barry authorizes the devastation claim innocence innocence itself was already a crime before we get to the concrete crimes oh barbarity too often as a result of imperial activity be it britain france be it united states be russia be it china all empires and the look of the grand inquisitor dusty esky using that miracle and mystery and authority into magic rationalization mr bitch a should in order to justify tyrannical acts despotic acts anti-democratic acts that subordinate those last known call every day people and i'm a radical democrat emetic crist always start with the plight and predicament of the

wretched of the earth the old who are priceless and precious but those who are viewed as disposable poor and working people all around the world of matter what color no matter what national identity we've gotta be internationalist ross the border with blessed me with my roma brothers this is yesterday and not dealt with by those as of yesterday off not going to do it oh because the power outage but we have to have international solidarity in the name of will morality and spirituality that we will not just empathized be a solidarity with those who were against predatory capitalism we are against almost all be a trad phobia any form of white supremacy any form of promise supremacy in any form of patriarchy if i see that ideology or what we're about a nation that loses sight of the precious humanity each and every one of us and that's just not an aspect idealism that a way of being in the world that's as

a verb or even more than a virtue being an action being part of people's movement in order to push back the forces of evil whatever form those forces take. yeah just to have skim characters tend to have something epiphany but the people that got trump elected apparently were working class people who'd lost out because of globalization how do you see all of those different identities of politics l g b g q rights race how do they work with clus because surely to some people the reason trump could win is precisely because of the working class traditionally that base from which progressive politics is a much nobody you're right now of course those is good politics have to be called into question that's it so i can say insight into his literary genius that we're talking about but at the same time you're right that it was working class folk who were misled by truck because the working class was so devastated under the neo

liberal rule of obama that did he deliver full austria he delivered. it not the liberal working people working people were looking for alternatives are left green party you know it was part of the support it are left in america is to we can treat so when we look for an alternative the choice between on the one hand the other but we get a ruling class and they are fastening it really exists on the truck acted as if he was populist but it's very clear he tied big money he tied it big military it will scapegoat the most vulnerable in terms of mexicans muslims red indians black folk and gays live in a trance and he is able to connect with enough of the white working class 65 percent white men vote at the drop 52 percent white women who have a truck so you've got a ratio art here you've got a racial trajectory just going off now we have magnificent white brothers sisters

who are part of the black class method we have been in the white. part of serious struggle against white supremacy but they got a lot of. and that causes easily misled by the straw man. and this is of course the challenge that plato saw in the republic he said show me a democracy 'd and i'll show you citizens who were shot through with unrelated passion and you bit with his ignorance that will result in the rise of a strongman to rise a tyrant a death played on the republic going all the way back to. 360 some b. c. he had it in sight even though he was a great critical democracy in a democracy because he killed each he had a good site how do we get to the working class how do we get for so that they're not misled. so they're not channeling their existence in a way that reproduces their old no question reproduces their own domination all

around the world ash is all very good at listening to the same thing it looked at the same thing frankel did the same thing these are new form the fascism of bread with similar kind of checks well in terms of trying to ensure the misleading. because they are meeting orders are deeply suffering but they rather scapegoat the most vulnerable the terms the degraded. black. and arabs and muslims and immigrants and mexicans rather than confront those present on ls i'll just stop you there more from cornell west off to this right. how can you explain love i've been to 82 countries i did in 12 but i came here and on those 3 days i just tell the pope in the car oh but i think and he kept pretty his name sake show. i made my decision to come here

because 'd i felt i knew i could build a new life here suited to which i know think companies and. i was afraid but i think god decided that this man is not going to be create a profile and it would only have ended t.v. here out where my one dream is that all my children find the same kind of happiness i do. i love my home here i love the cold weather i like the culture i like the history i like the. think about it in the middle of the most months in a special finals i know that i shall. join you could be a ski a russian fama. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy confrontation let it be an arms race based on often scary dramatic development the only way i'm

going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical of time time to sit down and talk. welcome back i'm still with professor cornell west if we move up michael s. is there's something wrong with the elites in your society i know you. talk about f. scott fitzgerald before do they read the great gatsby is a great tale of you make it in this world you're going to do well what is wrong with education in a country that has pretty used so many critiques that i guess echo what you've just been saying yeah i'm glad you brought this stuff is a lot because he understood it of course he went to princeton and i'm interested right now understood the spiritual decay in the oracle kuti of the ruling class not all but most he understood substitute prosperity for magnanimity they had hardly

any sense of moral excellence and spiritual greatness is reduced down to things in possession then come out of and it reminds me of the greatest figure. with eugene o'neill and the iceman cometh the greatest. ever written for the state in what did he say what does it profit a nation that game the old world and lose it so. re power well status and spectacle with no moral or spiritual substance that is a moment for the american gibbet that's the home for the decline and fall of the american empire that's what eugene o'neill was talking about and eat and ask up is general very close to a on the same register in terms of seeing through the emptiness and but he has so much of what american life in this obsession with the general pleasures and

military power and status and the inability to at the deepest level this is shakespearean this is. the suffering from the inability to cultivate the capacity to love the love less ness. no matter how much money you have no matter what your status is if you can't learn how to receive love 2 given that those years in the battles era most of the bond pale as those who suffer from the incapacity. and death of marching understood i come from an equal black. 100 years in the united states but did you not so much love john coltrane retorted martin b. love it martin luther king love who are just to be one to love and to me the love we have got reach all yes we all got to be frank he loves life the whole lives with us hopefully available you are on your website i didn't even get out of here i know

you know the people that have listened to coltrane the people that have read these works many of them are in the d.n.c. we know from wiki leaks how they tried to destroy bernie sanders campaign in 2016 and they didn't feel they didn't feel what they were doing was anything to do with fascism they thought it was to do with stopping fascism so they say i don't dismiss israel around this time because they try to tell us on this being the candidate what do you how do you characterize the d.n.c. has as of a system in your politics what i mean it is in more trouble now it's out been because their ears in fact tremendous critiques of the status and democratic party it looked as if after the november primary that bernie sanders and all of us together minturn or others that we were going to when we were really beginning to move in a way that we were headed toward the white house then the. it be a logical unit facilitated by rock obama with me we have

brothers all of them came together dropped out within a few days the black neo liberal leadership that is edge of money in black leadership. money and our tix came together and lo and behold we were pushed out we were defeated but let me say this that this step was meant knows very much like republican party establishment was undercut by truck that young people on the street the black madam who they understand not just the limitations of the neo liberal leadership no matter what color but they know that it cannot deliver look at what a pandemic right now it cannot deliver safety it cannot live protection cannot deliver education cannot deliver goods and services why because the in part in shambles when you have so much greek and corruption and indifference for the

suffering with no public life no public health care no public. robust public interactions and we can even hardly have a public conversation what happens to a demographer you sleep out here print as you know and maybe you call them apologists for empire they will point to the black faces the people of color in high places they will talk about l.g.b. t.q. people in high places maybe there are even some indigenous peoples in high places in american politics the american summit life how dangerous is it that these people are installed there as a beacon to show that your view of america your view of the united states is fundamentally flawed because your country is a tale of progress. well the good in of those is good the wonderful mother who crystal palace went back they keep it won't do it back since edifice. silly hadn't does wonderful shy is glass menagerie well what happens when it becomes more

colorful with races same class are same imperial policies same levels of poverty same levels of decrepit education same levels of unemployment and underemployment same levels up on the inability young assets to decent housing but it's because you've got black now brown women at the top at the glass menagerie in the crystal palace all really now behave themselves into reproducing the same kind of deck it is the same kind of decay but now of course we. race relations same way looking looking better you don't measure the plight of black people all women are brown people by how their elites are doing you know the play in terms of what the prisons look like what does neighborhoods look like what their employment actually is what levels of health care they have but that's precisely the attempt of america

to shift serious talk about the plight of poor folk to the. mobility of the net has to be radically called into question that is happening on the street right now in the u.s. in pop. but but in the streets i mean what is different about these uprisings since what in los angeles in $165.00 and before and after now we're seeing images of tear gas or federal troops in that new national guard it has to be sent. to your link of how black lives matter as a movement can in any way respond to what's going on if there are well if certain numbers of people are being shot dead in the streets or killed by security forces of the united states that alone frightened to go and demonstrate. well we with public lynching of brother floyd jr you certainly are going to have ways of resistance a beautiful thing is that you have the whole colas coming together and making the

connection between not just police power and police murder but between police power at least murder wall street car wall street crimes and pentagon power and pentagon crimes once you make those connections and connect to the mother who can't make them up the mix may develop it could make the family look rabbi abraham joshua ash ash able to make. the greatest intellectual alone with no chomsky and been making for most of his intellectual life will once every day people begin to make those connections then we're on to something those can actually be make more now than they were before and yet it really waves of resistance every wave of critique has its own distinctive staff and there is a certain kind of cycling is true. we had you know more people die it wasn't very much more black folk out we were more people die less people dying here but now there's a cities unsettle and some president that's

a good son after george floyd was killed there were demonstrations all around the world in fact in the in love around the world there were there were demonstrations again multi-racial into intersectional but london fall as washington on on foreign policy especially on apparently your biggest enemy china that's what the white house says what gives what gives the d.n.c. and they are in c. the confidence of china as you said surrounded by bases of the united states won't retaliate militarily to what it sees as provocations by nato in washington yeah i mean it is hard to say i mean it's hard to say you can imagine what the golden rule international issues looks like. russia have troops in mexico and china you know to do with less about 30 secs. so when you have american troops around who are russians yet to be very honest you know in piles their empires and their

concern about their people they're concerned about it territory after all just stuck to the domination when you can imagine what a one standard looks like in the same would be true with china when you when you when you begin to be provocative. then they're going to have different kind of responses i don't know what response will be as the as the acts of provocation intensify it's hard to say but i mean right now we've got these 3 empires in a word china russia usa all 3 zones long to decay domination all forms of dog and we have to be connected to radically democratic small d. forces doto empowering dissenting voices that are empowering working people that are an exemplary movements and by example what i mean is leaders of integrity who are willing to tell the truth and will more than likely have to give their lives

because those who are committed to the struggle for the wretched of the earth are on the road to crucifixion that's the way the world is but their blood our blood fertilizes the next wave of resistance and critique that's what we learn from them that move. well i suppose there's one difference between beijing must go and washington that's the beijing in what moscow claim to comprehend the dangers of climate change whereas washington doesn't believe it would isabella what is the power of k. street while being on the things you've been talking about and on perhaps the most texas tensional crisis we have. fossil fuel effective climate change. or i mean k. street in general generates legalized 2 bribery and normal asked corruption within

the halls of congress so the brick house that is supposed to be done house of the people caters much more to the donor than the benefactors than it does the suffering people themselves that's precisely why so many american citizens look at the system and the state and see it cannot reform itself because the money is all well me it's been colonized by the lobbyists who are try to be late to financial elites just so that it makes it very difficult for those of us in the streets to feel as if we can actually have the kind of impact that we like but we do it because it's right because it's more and because it's just and so when it comes to ecological catastrophe 'd in which the whole species the planet itself and you still have the greed short term thinking the up session with profit you can begin to see just how bouckaert predatory capitalism is for the species and in

regard to our very preservation. reza going to west thank you that's it for this locality issue of going on because we'll be back on monday facing. a summer solution starts right where we come up with solutions to all the problem i think over on the other shows right there anyway today we've got a go to the moon edition with a special guest mark valid incremental i'm. thinking of getting a new phone the ones we got in here shows no problem was as he didn't know until he was trapped in this tiny little wired how much we don't need a crane with him he will stir reaching out into the wall when it's pretty much anywhere near and thousands of breeding dogs are caged in the into lane conditions on puppy farm i mean 67 years you know they've been locked up in

a cage outside you see no protection from the weather the heat you know the cold air the rain the snow the funder nothing they have no protection. to let you. know it's 2 kids. across the u.s. cruel puppy mills are supported by dog shows and pet stores most of the puppies that are coming from these large scale factory farming kind of operations are being sold in stores even joined a group businesses are involved like cargill among some to there has been a shocking amount of organized opposition to adverts to increase the standards of care for dogs bred in commercial breeding for so many most of that opposition is coming from huge agricultural groups and industries that have nothing to do with jobs don't buy dog on o.t. . join me every 1st week on the all excitement and i'll be speaking to get a feel of the world of politics this list. i'm sure. i'll see that.

with beirut recovering from tuesday's devastating explosion 11 months already a severe economic crisis is now being average by food supply and housing shortages and with rescue teams still searching for people under the rubble we speak to a nurse who saved newborns minutes after the blast. hit and i'm sure we need to intensify that's the probably the rubble is when it stopped and when we never saw the you know i was very funny because i thought the babies might be conscious from the rubble not. also this hour whoever wins the next us presidential election the country's national counter intelligence and security center already knows whose fault it will be either russia or china and going underground discusses the difficult choices facing americans.