chip and the ongoing u.k. detention and torture of wiki leaks founder julian assange all this of all coming up in today's going underground but 1st let's go straight to sydney in australia as new south wales grapples with a spike in coronavirus cases john pilger welcome to the show the last time i spoke to you you were telling us what the media here wasn't telling us that there had been a pandemic rehearsal in 2016 in there was a cover up of it what what's your take now that tens of thousands of people in this country have died because of coronavirus and how is it there in australia. well it's a shocking state of affairs isn't it i mean just last week before the public accounts committee and in london the whole shocking landscape was laid out that thousands of people had been thrown out of hospitals back into chaos it really is the kind of making up of an expendable society where experts

talk blithely has as one of them did in this particular report the 12012000 excess deaths would have happened another expert said no wait a minute if there's another spike it's likely in the u.k. to go up to $35000.00 now we're not talking about the total of coronavirus victims we're talking about people who die in care homes who were thrown out of hospital i think that's one of the great scandals of this that public health england in effect in april emptied hospitals of all non karrar coronavirus victims including cancer patients katia patients neurology patients people are needed serious attention and here we now have the

president of the royal college of surgeons arguably the most conservative. of the of the royal colleges saying with a hint of panic in his voice look we can't go on like this because if there's another spike we're going to lose thousands of war people so what this has been it's just. and they knew it they knew what what came out of this public accounts committee hearing as is the public health england and therefore. well those executives in the department of health health and social care. they knew that all these elderly people and people with disabilities and people in care homes well people were at risk if they were left if they

weren't in hospital but still they dumped them they threw them out of hospital. and you know we. one doesn't want to add to the. to the a stereo or about this and i'm not trying to do that but i think there's something very grave and disturbing disquieting about all of this that so many people so many vulnerable elderly disabled people were thrown out of hospital and didn't get the care in care homes and many of them died on their own but that's a national shame he was going to watch your latest film the dirty war on the n.h.s. of course i would say public health england and the bar us john soon as government completely refuted they deliberately sent thousands tens of thousands of people to their deaths because of that cat home policy. now as you as you

imply doctors and surgeons as you refer to are warning that many tens of thousands will be killed by a 2nd wave because if the n.h.s. shut down of cancer services why do you think less is heard about the impact on other diseases of the response to the pandemic here in britain with the n.h.s. i think it's got to go straight back to simon stevens and his and his cabal running running the show that these people have enormous power. steve stephens presided over. perhaps the greatest disabling of bed capacity in the n.h.s. since $948.00 since the beginning of the n.h.s. and here. the the n.h.s. he had plenty of warnings not only. was the the results of

a drill in 2016 ignored but going back to early of that people warning the the cameron government that if those lands really sokol reforms that is the health and social care act but affectively set up. intense privatisation and fragmentation of the health service if they happen and they was a great public emergency such as a pandemic then it would be a catastrophe they were well and there were so many warnings there are so many experts to warm them. and none of this was hated that should not cost that really should not pass that but now where we can pick up a newspaper and casually read that they will be up to $35000.00

excess deaths like that expression excess deaths are people of cancer patients cardio patients and other people who needed serious diagnosis and serious treatment who would deny to it why well simon stephens would no doubt point to the fact that bed numbers were going down before he took over and you don't seriously saying that there are people left in icing coronavirus yeah they don't weaponize in coronavirus too ideologically privatized the national health service either because they're there privatizing as we go along i mean they ought to ruthlessness. in privatizing it at the very height of this but this disaster with. with with with companies taking over p.p.a.

. distribution and testing and salt when all that should be in regional public health authorities which of course themselves were disabled by the 1st by the cameron government and then later by a lowes. who followed and yes simon stephens wasn't there at the beginning that's true but he was in charge of this monolith which had the lowest bed when i made the film 30 warn the n.h.s. it had the lowest bed capacity in europe and that was last year 2019 on the eve of this pandemic. and it was night along the way. people have to be called to account politicians and officials that have to be called to account because it can't happen

again surely i mean that's ok to go and stand out and clapping n.h.s. and quite right so you absolutely horrific people. doing that best without p.p. in the most extraordinary circumstances but also under cover of that that great warmth felt towards the end and h.s. was a political project but dismantled it has dismantled it from within and it's still going on suddenly burst johnson is the champion of the n.h.s. this is ridiculous these people these people earlier them colluded in the 2012 health and social care act which absolutely ravaged the 1st public health system in the world. and changed it in character and

left it croon for when something like this came along which they were warned. well the government is giving more money to the n.h.s. is not only boris johnson who says the n.h.s. is one of the most important parts of british civic society the murdoch press is the b.b.c. all of these institutions have been clear that far from wanting to dismantle the n.h.s. they wanted to protect it and they celebrated those like of former like an army veteran who walked around the garden to raise money i know that one case concerned you about a psychologist i think wendy peak who's had to fundraise i think online for her cancer care do you see this as. as the major hit in context of coronavirus and yes country ideologically driven privatization wendy peak case if there is is is really remarkable is not. i remember yelpers of

contributed to to wendy's. campaign run absolutely wonderfully by her daughter's but this this is somebody with who's lost an eye she had a cancer in a melanoma. in a very unusual one but but all that is within within the expertise and certainly within the remit of the n.h.s. why wasn't she treated why wasn't she treated there are other wendy peaks and perhaps they don't have the same dynamic family to be able to support them. all over the country. health secretary matt hancock says that what's needed in the n.h.s. is harnessing technological development he says and many of us who may have had

liked the way the telephone access to their g.p. surgery was actually an improvement on the waiting times reporting months what do you make of that hancock's desire to modernize the n.h.s. so it's truly harnessing technology this time because i don't say this lightly matt hang caucus discredit he couldn't get his figures straight talking about the number testing you remember was 10001 day then not quite he couldn't get these figures straight about p.p. equipment arriving here. but what he's great passion is is tech he loves technology and he loves it so much they did a period in an advert tauriel in the evening standard paid for by a private tech company babylon health which has got contracts from the n.h.s. what he said was which horrified. most doctors was that.

g.p. consultations would be now by default. are online so yet another. remote that the doctor wouldn't actually see you the doctor would see you virtually well yes that works for some it works certainly works for everyone under the age of 30. they don't have anything wrong with them. and it certainly might work for for people who just want a prescription for something that is very easy to identify but it does not work as as has dr phil whittaker. distinguish the pay explained in my film it does not work in the consulting room when you want to find out when someone is trying to tell you something but they're not sure of the words

they're not perhaps to articulate it's their body language that actually tells you what's wrong with them and and it's and it's the wise doctor who can see his patient all her patient and and understand that but can get a diagnosis right all doctors would tell you that good doctors and here's hank caulk with these latest weeds. his latest grotesque. well denies it refutes any corruption regarding any particular tech company whether it be babylon or or any other. war from legendary journalist and filmmaker after this short break.

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with the boy's socialization over 30 years many children were paedophiles to raise . courtrooms for mr. brewster. welcome back i'm still here on the season finale of going underground with legendary filmmaker john pilger i want to move on to one truth teller who has exposed ideological privatization as well as war crimes julian a son she was currently in jail where there has been a death belmarsh prison in london what are we expecting from the court hearing on september the 7th i understand it all the court hearings change that dates change what are we expecting from this next hearing for the world's most famous publisher

and journalist arguably you're quite right there has been a death from covered in belmarsh and there's been a lot more in belmarsh that of course. the authorities are not telling us about. what can we expect while at the moment it's farce at the end of june. the. the the circle prosecution in this extradition bid by the united states. stood up and said well haven't you would type munt that overrides the 17 previous charges in the old indictment the old charges were about espionage but this is about hacking. and it concerns a. major informant is a paid f.b.i. informant a serial criminal who has been convicted of forgery faced.

pedophilia and. he on laughing because it's so black he has been put up as the major informant in this new indictment now there's a twist here having announced this new indictment at a press conference. the court hasn't hurt anything. the defense hasn't heard anything there's nothing in the system of due process about this new indictment and let's hope it isn't too fast let's hope it is something that is rightly thrown out of court and gives a jury and the sun trees freedom at last but they could be a coming fast in which the court considers one indictment he's then extradited to the united states to consider another and to to face another

indictment this is not justice the whole case has been really black far from beginning to end and should have not got past day one in february. and it's down to. true justice to deal with this when it comes up again on sevenths of sort of september this time in the old bailey this is an opportunity perhaps for british justice to redeem just that much because at the moment it shame by the a sound case anybody who looks at it objectively impartially can't help but feel yes. well as far as we know the crown prosecution service say everything is up to scratch they can't comment about an ongoing case as you know there is it outcry probably justifiable arguably from all journalists in nato

nations about the arrest of the british publisher jimmy lie in hong kong why is it you think that the same journalists are not crying out for the release of julian as sons do you think they don't recognise a songe as a publisher they think of him as a whistleblower and there's some confusion in the minds of journalists in nato nations i think in recent years but. journalists who might of otherwise behaved at least professionally have lost the knack and the skill of journalism and the will of journalism i think it's gone the spaces that were once there in the so-called mainstream media for those who could ask hard questions who could challenge the system. have all but closed not entirely but pretty well all but closed. and journalism has given

up it's become something else it's become. it's become an echo. an echo chamber of whatever propaganda or is runs through the system it's propaganda against the sun. will with china. russia to blame for the weather some of it is as i say almost laughable propaganda but it is presented as news now you ask me why that is so i can't really answer i do know that there's been a surrendering of what journalism was and journalism is basically doing your best to keep the record straight that's all you don't get it right all the time but doing your best to keep the record straight that duty and i would suggest it's

a juicy has been abandoned. well forus johnson former journalist he's not commenting on the son's case and as regards china because and the journalists here are reporting it the gross human violate rights violations of china britain is sending its top warship h.m.s. elizabeth to the south china sea. why do you think that's a bad idea given what we're hearing about china or its crackdown on human rights in hong kong it's millions in concentration camps and that its attempts to use surveillance against all citizens was a word we need evidence for everything you've just said their action and i think journalism is about evidence it's about hard evidence and throughout my career i've i've had to i've had a duty imposed on me when i've reported from asia. from cambodia vietnam

india into pakistan the united states to produce evidence but that evidence is no longer required china may be doing ghastly things. but we need to look in the mirror do it while china while we accuse china or of of subverting goalie's human rights. the fact that the united states has overthrown the government in bolivia. caused sanctions of course according to a united nations estimate up 100000 deaths in venezuela the suffering the suffering little and the number of deaths around the world that is being caused by us is never a subject for serious discussion. we have our enemies we have our demons and

they're the ones hong kong is is is is is is the perfect what i mean it's interesting that the chinese are bringing in a national security law and it sounds pretty harsh actually but the other day the president of the look ounce will in in this country in a straight said that actually the chinese national security law wasn't as far reaching as the neutral country and laws that would be brought in in this country a democracy what is going on in the world is a struggle for. freedom true freedom within democracies liberty has become a privilege perhaps there always was but it certainly is now and the last the erosion of democracy is the big story but the big story that no

one really wants to write in australia these draconian foreign interference laurels as i as i mentioned at least the equal of anything china can impose. in hong kong. in in the united states the presidential and other executive. in positions in positions and we like this word these days that we some to muse about ourselves in positions of forms of but tell it totalitarianism. these are not a story trump is because he's reviled for all sorts of reasons only his is a character sure of her system. that his predecessor barack obama who is much admired by many was the one who put whistle blows away.

was the one who started 7 wars was the one who were who who ordered the murder of people by drone these are all in our so-called backyard. but the it's become almost a fetish there are the 2 that guys in the world there's china china wasn't a bad guy until a few years ago actually it was most people's view of it was benign and now it's a bad guy russia has always been a bad guy and what are so tame for support this this misinformation the fact that china is reported without people understanding this country is ringing by 400 u.s. bases on its doorstep. and that china is

almost certainly going into a form of a state of siege i've seen this happen in other countries that means it will defend itself and it will defend itself with the most lethal weapons that it can fire for instance its. development of of maritime missiles that can destroy whole fleet. the change from of low alert to high alert you know it's you know it's in its nuclear posture none of these are real news or thay are they put in the context of bad china but what is the cause of them. china has a cinema as far as i can say. for all its faults and there are many of course china wants to get on making business and making pigs in the world. what's going on here of course is that china once again and this has happened before in history china

once again is challenging the very notion of western and white superiority. and that is unacceptable well not only is there evidence all of chinese war crimes it's being spread across the media here all all the time but since you mentioned australia scott morrison your prime minister said actually it's no longer inconceivable it's no longer inconceivable that there is a whole war between china and the west whatever that is that in the 75th year anniversary of next arc in iraq shima what did you make of what scott morrison said you think that he's he's showing us what some leaders in nato nations are thinking i don't take a lot of notice of what morrison says to be to be frank with you because morrison

is an echo of the us. in the at the height of the pandemic morrison announced $270000000000.00 worth of arms for perhaps the most secure country secure politically secure strategically secure geographically on earth a straight area and the centerpiece of this new wonder arsenal will be missile. that will be able to reach china china is a stranger's biggest trading partner on rubble that if you can jump. thank you thank you. that's ever the show that's up for this season will be off air in the coming weeks but we will be bringing you the favorite shows the best getting

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