thank. you cross up this and more i'm joined by my guests came i present in los angeles she is host of the game iris in show and in new jersey we have joe concha he is a media reporter and columnist for the hill rules of that that means you can jump in anytime what now is appreciated ok let me go to joe 1st here joe over the last 3 and a half years we've been fed this russia gate hoax and it's bait and it's very basis it is leaks that are giving up given to prefer news outlets from the powers that be will call it. we have opinions a new way and those we have a lot of bloopers in retrospect they the the leaks didn't amount to anything or dead ends or basically wrong and then you know the flip side is over the last let's

say 2 weeks and i have we're getting real facts i even to the point of hand written notes something attached to a name a face a big here we have congressional records that have been released or madam ships'. investigation with all of his witnesses and the names are attached to the words under oath and never mind it doesn't make any difference it's keep moving on i mean i bided really quite astounding you know we were told that there was a grand conspiracy but now there is a grand conspiracy of silence. well you're exactly right about innuendo right as far as russia reporting a lot of it was based on unnamed sources i'd love to meet this guy named on name circumscribes because you get a lot of things wrong right it's not like he gets it wrong in reporters make mistakes i hurt this analogy once that the white house press corps and political media in the u.s. in general. it's like when you go to the beach and you throw food up to seagulls it

doesn't matter if the bread is mol good or bad or pop rocks they're going to eat it gobble it up and not verify what they're being fed so you know i spoke to one emmy award winning journalist that's been in the business for a while and she said what reporters don't realize is that they're conte's they're pawns for political operatives trying to push a narrative out there that they know is false but they know this reporters will eat up anyway because there is no accountability when you get it wrong as we're staying right because the news cycle goes on so fast we forget about it and get the clicks and the ratings anyway so it doesn't matter that's your point around general fled there are documents here it's in writing how can we get this guy to lie so we can prosecute him i would think that reporters would be 2 things right now pissed off and carries and when you're those 2 things that's when you're doing your reporting but instead we don't see it at all we saw them put adam schiff on the air for 3 years adam schiff is in michael evan nadi of lawmakers ok now remember have an avi

you know he was on cable news hundreds of people in lawyer less knowing the words yes yes i heard somebody call him that once on cable news hundreds of times even touted as a presidential candidate and you know what yes president right now of the cell block at rikers but still we put this guy in there all the time just like we did chef and the wall street journal editorial board give them credit because they said don't put this guy on air again you know they sent it to me he is not to be believed you're going to see a lot more adam shift and anybody who reports on michael flynn like catherine herridge of c.b.s. news oh now it's just right wing reporting and conspiracy theories and this is why i trust the media is where it is right now in american society somewhere around where we view light and that's not a good. day it is very interesting can we leave the f.b.i. knew before to use the b. . this new us they they knew it was basically they were not using it they willingly use this document in the way they knew it was a. accurately but they still use it for

a fine sort of warrants i mean it's the same thing with joe if you're saying to me we have you have reporters knowingly know that this is a farce it's a hoax but they go along with it anyway because it serves a political purpose 1st and foremost so great and an ideological one on top of that ok i mean i will always made it clear on programs i don't really care one way or another about the white house ok they come and go ok with this type of behavior if that isn't put in check now will be become a norm weight and that's certainly not what you want down so kim and i mean it again you know there's there's no self interest action no matter what the democrats the introspect after the 2016 election they're doing it again they've been hell they've been shown to be. showing that they were pursuing a hoax it's been shown to be a hoax and now they're saying they're going to be good us and say we're the ones that are conspiring to look for a way to protect attorney general barr i don't think any of us are doing that at

all go ahead. now i mean you know what it really comes down terry is that the media is really just focused on getting clicks you know i'm not really 100 percent in the i'm not 100 percent certain that media is actually part of that in any way i mean they are part of any and that you know that when you're watching stocks are going to get a certain viewpoint if you're watching c.n.n. you're going to get another i don't know if fundamentally they're at their core partisan i think what they are is their media entertainment they're trying to get clicks they understand that they need ad revenue they need to they they need eyeballs and they know that emotion sells and so what they do is they fear monger they find a conspiracy that they can get anything salacious that they can just latch on to share scandal or controversy conflict in some way and they use that in order to make gobs and gobs of money they're using our emotions and. but not the attention

to reality he had hidden but it's the people's lives and destroyed in the process and i mean i and i think that's something we hope that they can make out i mean what's going on in hollywood who's sleeping with whom and you know who's getting divorced that i mean again that's all kind of little lady and all that you know in the in that is the sense that would be agency but there's a lot of people who'd been just chewed up and spit out and some people are going to prison and you know and that's why joe i can go back to you i think that that's the difference between clit taint which well i know exactly what it is but at a certain point the need to value institutions and very ideas and like let me you can't trivialize there are certain things you shouldn't trivialize because it's dangerous go ahead. let's look at micro example exactly we're talking about i like clinton in attainment as i assume a clinton in it ok i'm stealing that as far as just barbara for instance and mika brzezinski i remember 20162015 when president trump then candidate trump announced

his candidacy he's on their show on a regular basis phone interviews to the point where publications like rolling stone are calling them out for it he's interviews are way too soft they're way too friendly you're going to put this guy in the white house if you keep propping him up like that and sure enough the president captures then candidate trump captures the primary nomination and the party nomination and then suddenly joe meek a term on trump now that they suddenly change their minds how they got out of them what they wanted and then they realize are going to be ostracized hampton's the upper west side of manhattan if they continue to look like they're supporting him right and now they're the most staunch critic so trump you just laugh at it as you know it's not serious because well why didn't they speak out against him 20152016 then i see the never trumpeters that are on the air mccall all storm or not all i think the general are all 5 ok. well there may be more actually right you see rick wellstone you see nicolle wallace you see on of our all these republican strategist we're. can't name one campaign they've actually ever won in the past 15 years but

they're put on as so-called republicans and then their job is to speak out against trump to get the pure of the idea that even people most on party are against him until you look at gallup polling and he's the highest of any president in terms of party loyalty and history so that's the thing this is all a game i don't think really that the ana navarro of the world either she was a never republican or b. now she really doesn't hate trump or nicolle wallace hate trump much as they do it just gets them sent our next contract it gets them attention and love on social media so when people ask me is there bias i agree with him i think you have to probably is some bias there is some activism but in the end the end this is all bad acting like cinemax up 3 o'clock in the morning bad acting people are just doing it to give people what they want your instead of. greed with both of you then given him what is the purpose of journalism i mean maybe we should just say journalism doesn't exist anymore and this is all intertainment or not is it's

a serious question you know because again like i said to me when you have left unchecked you're going to have the f.b.i. investigating the next presidential candidate ok i mean this is that there is consequences but this behavior other than trying to garner clicks and celebrity. others absolutely really journalism is dead unfortunately there is and i mean you have to think about logistically how would you even support journalism right now with with the media the way that they're supported is there advertisement dollars so they're looking for emotion they're looking for clicks they need salacious headlines so then your other option would be what government funding well is the government going to fund journalism that's going to be a criticism of criticizing the government so we're a little wary when journalists come yet look at p.b.s. that is not you know logically driven broadcasters and he goes yes i agree yes so it you know where could you find a real journalist who would find that real journalism journalism is expensive and those of us who are in independent. media it is extremely difficult for us to to

manage i mean just to put on a show like i do on my own and and then you know i don't have journalists on the ground that are going out investigating that's a lot of money where would i get that money so the real problem with journalism and there are so many stories and so much information out there you know to try to pursue something where you're going to have a constant refreshed news cycle every single day that's a lot of people you have to support that that that that you know enter enterprise somehow so that's the big question is how do you support authentic journalism needing the amount of money that it's going to take without them turning into this the same what we're saying with every single so-called institution of journalism out there from washington post to new york times to stand and say i am as n.b.c. fox now all of them how do we do it that's the big question well you know so joe we're just stuck with tribalism and trying to tribalism that some people confront

and support i mean if you look over at the intercepts ok they have they have a let me well they can you know give them money to do investigative reporting and it's a relaxed back. but you know but also you know i'm going to really very tragic because we're with the model that kim is describing which i think she's right then there is really no coming together we have to live with our conditions and unfortunately it's only getting worse. i agree with ken and i understand her context which is political media and she laid out the networks that we're talking about right cable news or new york times washington post right places you could still get decent journalism now maybe not that it won't go heavy on the national stories but i still think my local news is still good you know i'd still good because i don't see any of them injecting their dear diary opinions and the recording it's this fire happened here this person unfortunately got killed here this team won and here's your weather forecast so least i know i can get it there so that at least is comfort. on some level and i'm sorry if you hear my my 4 year old yelling she had

made a comment in a shot but then you know 18 seconds i think i saw your dog running behind i don't have space for you to be willing to it's quite possible you should know i do you know it really is it it really is the model that we're having to deal with but it is politicized and i'm really worried about it because we have to account so kind of trust in something some things that are that we all can agree upon if we can't do that we're in trouble ok we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the media lens. of the.

welcome back to cross up where all things are considered i'm peter love to remind you we're discussing the media landscape. can let me go t. and i noticed that we had chris hayes from m.s.n. b.c. give a major interview it was better to be fair and then i thought it really i don't necessarily want to let's remember that chris a supposed to be the smart one over m.s.n. b.c. he's going to be the intellectual over there and number one during all of this hope

you never had a confrontational guest on his program not once. not once i don't think i missed him b.c. in general ebert. box news doesn't all of the time but i give them credit for particularly on tucker carlson is back most of his program is about 5050 which i think he stands unique in the media landscape when you go out going back to chris hayes if you if you just spill his interview and what happened as an embassy and the scene he said the russians made him do it now it's here's some context one of my favorite films is dr strange well and remember brigadier general jack ripper remember that crazy general that you know that launches the b. 52 and he was saying that you know the russians have him over infiltrated and poisoned our bodily fluids and i couldn't believe that they someone of chris hayes

a stature at emmis n.b.c. could say that and get away with it i mean there is no agency nobody has any agency in that's exactly where the peddlers of this hoax did they you know it's not our fault that they were reacting to what someone is doing was just exactly what is being done to them. again that is such a total just service journalism go ahead well i didn't know chris hayes was the intellectual one over at m.s.n. . i thought that was jose rachel maddow our somebody. you know and i didn't catch his interview this whole this whole narrative that has just continued on for what now 17 years i think is ringback where we're at with the whole u.s. russia. conflict and of course there were some points where it was very legitimate . and you know but but since then it's just become this it's become insane i mean it's it really is truly insane and there's never an apology there's

never a correction if there is a correction it's buried somewhere very small where no one's paying attention to it because everyone latched onto the salacious headline and russia hacked vermont's electricity grid or russia hacked into cspan or you know there's all of these different hoax as out of it that it that they have claimed oh you know russia did it russia made me do it russia put trump and power russia you know russia russia russia all the time. you know and there's never any any chance to look at oneself and say maybe we did something wrong maybe we're the ones that are upsetting the voters maybe maybe we no longer represent the american people and instead they're trying to paint this dichotomy well it's either you go you know you're with us because we're americans or if you're not with us then you're with russia which is not america we can't you know if there is no you just said. you know joe one of the interesting things that you know i have noticed is that it and this is my theory

about the hoax of russia gate hoax is that it was one way for the democrats not to have any introspection after 2016 and you're absolutely right if you want to blame someone for interim selection blame the media i mean all they did was demonize him and anyone that would vote for him well you know boehner still. like to be demonized they're doing it again in this election cycle i mean they focus all their anger on the wrong issues ok because i can i was i grew up in a red state i don't like hell they know the national media the bi coastal media talks about middle america clinton really. condescending and rude and arrogant very very arrogant and they're doing it all over again and number 2 it is to keep the left together because one of the interesting thing about this is if you had civil libertarians cave on this one it's very interesting we've been completely

changed on this and it's i think it's really remarkable for the end of this primary that the democrats that late again anonymous sources the kremlin is supporting bernie ok again they're using this to carouse people and what it and of course bertie you know has no backbone at all he didn't fight back you would have issued as of this ounce of you to do this again to was i know he can form and so it's a very interesting way they keep the left under control particularly in the insurgents of the progressive which is they are under control now because you have nowhere else to go which is their usual mantra it's very tricky and there's nothing as i've said many times in this program there's not much russia or russians in russia ok it's really of trying to control the political and media landscape in the us. i think about the premise of the whole russia hack in 2016 election thing for a moment ok because they bought minimal ads on facebook a fraction of what the clinton and trump campaign spent on bashing each other that

somehow it changed the election where let's say i'm supporting hillary clinton and i'm on facebook and i'm looking at you know some my friends can scratch yours and that this adds up and i say you know a lot go in that ad makes a good point oh i like tell her but i think i'm going to support from now one person does that who want to end. only does that i get a robo call being like you know you're making a good point here why dawkin back to me it's so that part is ridiculous and i think a lot of journalists think that the viewers are stupid and maybe they are brainwashed to a certain extent because again they want to hear what they want to hear and instead of what they should be hearing right now joy read over the weekend she's on m s n b c another one of the electoral ones that said that you know we should come to the point now that we have to accept the president trump may not embrace the results of the 2020 alexion when you look at the big think it is from 2016 because that's what i said about trump and no and who is the day who is the candidate who did not accept the results hillary clinton has been

a public therapy for for the last 3 years talking about how she should have won the election and instead of saying you know i probably should campaign in wisconsin i guess my final note is dr strangelove you brought up jack tripper wasn't that i thought he was and. where it per not tripper ok because jack tripper was in the a.b.c. comedy three's company and then eventually the spot on jack's piece trail that's a tangent don't mean to go off on that one final serious point to those in middle america you grew up in or red state the reason why the 2016 election everybody says oh my god we didn't see this coming how can that possibly be because they're going to stay in their ivory towers known as t.v. studios in washington and new york and washington donald trump got 4 percent of the vote in manhattan he got 10 percent of the vote and that's where all political media is concentrated so of course you're going to hide mentality and you may miss what's happening in wisconsin pennsylvania michigan and ohio where the election was won and it's probably going to happen here again because no one learns to ken's point there's no accountability there's no introspection and i don't think it's not

because they don't want to do it no actually they don't want to do it but. you know given the way the introspection that they d.n.c. and the democrats had from 2016 there's one very important lesson to be drawn from that if you run for president have those macedonians on your. side because it seemed like they chipped in ok. jim you know one of the bombshell over the last few days and i'm using acknowledge you didn't wait now like how that were phrase was abused for 3 and a half years is that we had testimony from ships committee then the the c.e.o. of crowd strike then you know made it the russians for a behind the how come their servers were in testimony under oath facing the charge of perjury said no we don't have any evidence of it at all if that was not reported widely what so ever that is one of the triggers for what we've gone through the

last rina half years and i remember during the last 3 and a half years talking to people that were experts in the field and they said yeah that's probably people and it probably was a leak probably not a hack but you know we need to look at the server and now the whole basis or one of the foundations of this so it's been can completely dispel and dismiss and there's no reaction to it i mean the thing was on it obviously now is on plan because it's a very personal story but you know one of the whole foundations of it has been blown away and there is no introspection this is why they're going to continue to lose ok and i think that's objective because if you can't understand your own actions and behavior how can you navigate your way through the next presidential cycle i don't think that they have the capacity to do it go ahead well you know and what the real losers are everybody in america it's not just the democrats that are losing on this it's when the media and even officials and

government make it sound like our democracy and our nation is so weak and we're so still bad american people are so dumb that we could just allow russia russia russia that would be an advertisement on facebook or you know all of these were writing things that are saying oh you know russia debt russia debt it's just making. america look very very weak it makes us look like we just you know we're just built on a house of cards that are just collapsing underneath that underneath us just because somebody put a advertisement on social media or made a bot that started spreading you know that started to amping up twitter or trans these things everybody in america lives and it's not just the democrats that are losing but it's all about us it's just making us look like fools. and that's exactly true and again from my bar away per i've often thought about how could the strongest most powerful country in the history of the world be so very vulnerable

to some teenagers in st petersburg 300 kilometers away from me here and those those kids broke from the. group when they were indicted by a loner and when the case went to court the mother team walked away because these kids said well you have a judicial system we understand we want discovery what do you have on us and as soon as they were asked that they closed the case because they didn't have any discovery i mean then what this says that it's a. make it what you will of democracy but it's the rule of law ok because when those indictments were made i remember the reasons in comes out it's a big breaking news story all the networks are covering it and it was all nonsense it was absolutely all nonsense and again how many people know that that piece was dropped no one but when it was when it was when the charges money made it was news

all over the world joe so i mean finish it up you know for us me again but i guess i'm old school here i believe in some form of accountability are we going to get any good 30 seconds here the bow tie absolutely makes rules go and i say that the most complimentary of ways believe me if they are cut to ok back quite well we're concentrating so much on iraq. right and then eventually impeachment as it is pertain to ukraine in january and february and there were much of presidential debates a.b.c. n.b.c. c.b.s. in february only one question over hundreds of questions on coronavirus and you didn't hear what the democrats had to say about that so while we're focusing on something that was a story we missed the big story which was a russia was china it was rouhani and it was the corona virus that now has wreaked havoc on this country in a way we haven't seen since the great well i'll end this none of them are going to say oops ok unfortunately that's all the time we have i want to thank my guests in los angeles and in new jersey and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in r.c.c. in x. i'm remember. is

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