salut you know we mustn't forget the climate crisis and our concern for the cove it 19 because that's something which will carry on into the future this this pandemic will get through our b.s. that out of many many places are going to have very serious economic problems people have lost their jobs people are mourning family members who doesn't know it's been awful but we will get through it just as we get through really been through a lot of very unpleasant times in my life 9 live 86 scientia so. when you hear leaders like boris johnson babson certainly don't trump repeatedly claiming no one could have predicted this pandemic you know you don't think that's the case. and i know it's not it's not like because people studying these these are soon arctic seasons have been predicting a really long time and you know that learns ok hiv aids started

problem until and selling eating chimpanzees into different parts of africa sassed that again from another wild wild animal market in china then again from probably camels in the middle east and then being simple epidemics began from our factory farms in the avatars and all these terrible unhygienic conditions one of the new films that are out from national geographic. called james the 1st of their 2 once called hope talks about you when you're in goma in tanzania and the tragedy when polio hits the small community of a chimpanzees you are investigating in and made the whole of the world realize that humans were the only not the only species to have consciousness arguably just tell

me about when a pandemic hit that camp. well it was it was really only the worst time in my life because we never knew which chimpanzee would come in dragging an arm or a neck and then some of them would just disappear and it was it was absolutely heartbreaking and it began in a nearby town. and bizarrely the doctor at the time it was an italian he he didn't he could not talk about probably you know we think it's because he couldn't have the proper supplies anyway no nobody knew that there was colon or anywhere and then some people in a village just south of gandhi got this paralysis and then some chimps there was seen dragging limbs and then it came to us so we back snake is the muslim very susceptible to these restore a tree diseases and we're terribly worried that this could 19 could get you

know an effect in fact our chimps and they're all endangered now the iranian towns yeah i'm going to get the reasons for there are possible extinction but speaking about gone bad nearly 60 years since you were there with a groundbreaking research but of course what's disturbing about it today is it led to a war a virtual war between different elements in the community because an epidemic struck an area well actually the depletion of that community and what i call the 4 year war wasn't actually. it had nothing to do with the polio epidemic what we now know is that anywhere where a tourist an ape so it's a privilege that is that we have to take very great precautions to ensure that the chimps don't catch up to see similar. to to continue as i knew in the old days so honest all gone but one of the ones who has by

a real say friend was graeme and. last time i actually saw kremlin she came right up to me and looked into my eyes i mean of course they recognize us just as we recognize them that we had ducked under the shiver on this program actually in the past few days i know she said platforms with you she was saying it was clear the deforestation is part of the puzzle of corona virus and his one and a half acres of rain forests are destroyed every 2nd tell me about the deforestation how it's affected animal life the chimpanzees that you love so so much and why the whole world needs to wake up to the idea that it's affecting them right now well the deforestation particularly of the tropical forests which are carbon sinks the way you know absorb c o 2 carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and store it and as we destroy the forests

we release that carbon dioxide back of course relates to the climate crisis just like the pollution of the ocean but also as we clean out more and more current it's rich bio diversity so animals are pushed together much more frequently than me would be because you know they're losing habitat all the time and animals are pushed into shreds the contact with humans some of them are rating simply becomes we have been great at their homes so yeah this is definitely an important part of the. seasons. in one of the movies the chicago conference you spoke at in 1986 was on forest destruction and it's there that 90 percent of chimpanzees were killed in the 1980 s. it seems like an enormous sum what does it feel like in 2020 talking about

deforestation. well it's just going on and you know it's one of the things that a con terribly concerned parent intensity o.e.m. programs for reforestation and protecting the existing forests will have biodiversity and that's where it impacts the the zoonotic diseases so why do you think a pandemic that is made everyone conscious of that connection suppose you would hope why is it there's been no call for companies associated with forest destruction will call for them to be shut down after this pandemic is if not over at least has less of an impact on our daily lives. well let's hope there were there that will be there might be i mean i've been fighting to stop the forestation and again we come back to probably because an awful lot of that the forest station and

the scene with other habitats too is very poor people and they've been cut down there are streams in administration to grow food to feed their families so you know we also have to take into consideration the growing human population world line eat and. i learned in the rainforest how everything is interconnected and just doing one piece of it isn't enough but luckily different n.g.o.s tackle different aspects of it local environmental problem out in the forest i have this very strong feeling of great spiritual power and. it was the kind of feeling that i sometimes have in one of the old cathedrals where people have been to my shrimp yeah after year after year. you are arguably. really important when it came to stopping animal experimentation basically

chimpanzee experimentation with all the talk now is of vaccines and actually they're often talking about the need oxford university of chimp a dino virus that they're injecting with corona virus as i understand it into pigs well how do you see the role of our animal animal experimentation in vaccine research. well quite honestly by talk to the people who doctors and scientists who are coming up against animal experimentation you know the stillest work on mice and rats and dogs and even chimpanzees are not so like us they were if they were thought to be the arms of finding back scenes and cures are still there they can be infected mother animals couldn't they didn't develop the symptoms that week one of the lab cyprus attorney was shown into this room with 4 tims down each side 5 foot by 5 foot k.

to 7 foot high and the 1st from was called jo-jo. it was a very handsome male been alone for 15 years or so and i looked into his eyes and i was thinking of the gumby chimpanzees lying in the soft ground making leafy nests grooming each other and he being there alone with time and so tears began trickling under my mask and he reached out a gentle finger and wiped the tears away the way ahead is to work harder and harder an alternative to using any animals in medical experimentation and you know there's a lot of doctors writing for maximum was going to conferences that it and huge strides has been made there's many many ways of experimenting with excel tissue and organ tissue which do not involve torturing animals the problem very

often is that to get some new drugs on the market you have to show the powers that whatever organization it is that you have done experiments on animals dr jane goodall i'll stop you there more from one of the world's most famous conservationists after this short break. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy going from day shouldn't let it be an arms race is on often spearing dramatic development only personally i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk.

to feel. the cold. in this connection the moment to laugh and ask for the last 70 and seeing and on monday today for the match for who should have been the commission so you know brits who just shoot on disc in the. engine. teach it mom. you know new car so said i'm not going to march to the mama just back.

an entire village in alaska. if another country run the wife of an american. we do everything in our power to protect the. water they escaping climate change poses the same threat right now alaska. it seems some of the fastest coastal erosion in the world we lost about 30 feet. 35 feet of ground in just about 3 months while we were measuring. he is fast and that means the river is 35 closer to the pound than one was for i think were part of the earth from the cross.

has changed american lives but pharmaceutical companies have a miraculous solution. based drugs the people who are chronic pain patients believe that their prescription is working for them in the remedy be certain to. price that they pay closer dependency an addiction to opiates the long term use that really isn't scientifically justified and i'll study actually suggested that the long term effects may not just be absence of benefit but actually that they may be causing long term. welcome back i'm still here with world renowned conservationist dr jane goodall well on big pharmaceutical companies maybe on big fossil fuel companies. actually

who's written about chimpanzees in a different context he's a he's been talking about this apparent dissonance between the c.e.o.'s of these sorts of companies and the children and grandchildren of the c.e.o.'s of these companies tell me about roots and shoots and how. somehow education can create children or help children understand i don't know what their parents are doing is going to create more pandemics in the future. absolutely more pandemics and more destruction of the environment and actually stealing their future it works rich interests began in 1901 and it began with 12 high school students in tanzania it's now in 65 countries it's growing all the time it has members in kindergarten university in everything in between and may choose projects themselves but one to

help people one help animals one to help the environment because of this everything being interconnected and changing the world as we speak they are we're listening to them very small they're being empowered and we're helping them to express what a feel and they're learning about the kind of things that we never learn to count because they want problems back then. i had the idea of routine shoot because i found so many young people who'd lost hope and said there was nothing they could do about the future of the planet so i try and inspire as many children of all ages as i can to take action and roots and shoots somehow create certain values and we found that many what i call alumni the people being true the roots and shoots program. they they you know they come up to me in china for example and say

what of course we care about the environment we were in roots and shoots in primary school and i didn't know for a fact that sometimes a child will influence the behavior parent or grandparent because they told me so what about the idea of it say no less than the girlfriend of the british prime minister kerri symonds has been tweeting i understand about rooted shirts will politicians really react to. speeding up processes that will stop climate change i mean by 20 what is that within 100 years we expect to have no rain forest whatsoever on earth at the current rate. at the current rate and that's why it's so desperate to stop it and we still have time we have this window of time and i think my greatest hope is partly the resilience of nature you know around gandhi in 1998 all the trees that had been there had gone and now they're back again

because we work with the people alleviate their property and so on but. so their children you know they're not they're not making demands they're showing example i don't believe you can change anybody's heart where they're it's a parent who's just you know ordinary person ordinary kyar or somebody who's a c.e.o. or a politician you've got to reach the heart is no good arguing with that with the mind because soon as you begin arguing people get defensive they want to protect their point of view and they're thinking all the time about how they're going to refute what they can wring but if you tell stories stories that reach into the heart you may not know at the time the difference that you make but you sometimes find out later what about working with big business on environmental projects we have no less than an advisor to prince charles on this program who told us that he was

appalled by green washing at top fossil fuel companies of course you have a history with conoco funded your project what would you advise environmentalist today about whether they should team up with big fossil fuel companies perhaps with flowers on their labels and their logos. yes well i think the 1st thing to do is to investigate the practices that that company and what percentage of money they're putting into developing alternative clean renewable energy is a reason that we went with conoco is because back then before they were true they were boarded up by 1st dupont and then today phillips but back then they were the most environmentally friendly oil company on the planet and i think i sat down and i thought ok but i think this thing out and i thought to myself here's

a company that's trying to do it as well as they can and i'm flying i'm driving i'm using electricity i'm spending money on the products that products that these oil companies are selling so it's very hypocritical if you meet one that's trying to do better and you say no i'm not going to take your money might look might make you look better than you are as hypocritical so my met my my advice is really find out what that company is doing i mean some of them totally mushy and it's awful but some of them really are putting a lot of money into alternative energy and treat planting then take money from them and what bring them to make things worse now i work out like this some activists with say have a time for that environmental ism is over as the climate emergency becomes more

obvious extinction rebellion the group the international group that is. in the lead arguably with fighting climate change they were put on a tear or list here perhaps using tactics perhaps using weapons of their are enemies what's your reaction to extinction rebellion as it plans demonstrations around the world virtually or in situ during the pandemic. well i think i honestly think that you know demonstrations have a role to play nonviolent demonstrations and to use force has happened in an nde many countries against peaceful protest is shocking i mean people need to express their views and i think when enough people as an extinction rebellion do take to the streets when children take to the streets you know it must spark some new awareness in some people and the way you can understand that they threaten the

profits the so-called shareholder value the with all the externalities of the account of call them the power are clearly fearful of these demonstrations and arguably the the hope that you speak of i think you're writing a book on hope at the moment. well that's absolutely true and you know the consumer and the boat in at least in some countries are really have a powerful role we again got to say. people living in poverty don't have much choice but providing you're reasonably well are if you don't like what the company guns go by it's curtains it's again hypocritical to say oh the way you make all your your stuff is evil is totally environmentally unfriendly you're stealing our children's future and then you go and spend a lot of money buying their products although as you say. many people do not have

arguably the 99 percent do not have the choice as austerity has kicked in in western economies since 2008 you know it's going to get worse and bad that is the big problem also you started off with education that's important too because unless people understand the dynamics of a problem they can't make it the call choice is coming and you know i found in china actually people who believed that elephant shouldn't be a tusks if we you know what we say or that can't be true but if you've never seen an elephant you've never been taught anything about wild animals why shouldn't they ship that to us so you know again it's education from sometimes a very basic level that helps people who can make a difference to make a difference when i was 10 years old i had them train i will go to africa i will live with wild animals and i will write books about them everybody laughed at me

you're just a girl girls don't do that sort of thing. but my mother she said if you really want to do this you're going to have to work off the hard but don't give up and i know you've emphasized hope with action in the past you spoke with james baker the secretary of state for ronald reagan do you think you'd speak today with donald trump and secretary of state pompei o about why they should link here is shaking your head why they should understand the link between the environment and the destruction of the us economy because of their own of ours. now i mean everybody's told them that i wouldn't to be honest i just wouldn't waste my time talking to people like that because they don't want to be they don't want to be don't want to change they won't

you see when you talk about consumer advocacy in the way that you just have i'm sure your probably aware of k. street in washington the lobbying street how can you fight the lobbying of fossil fuel industries that are against what you say i mean obviously the jane goodall n.g.o.s are trying their best to educate tens of thousands of children can they make the difference compared to billions of dollars of public relations money advertising money and arguable backhanders to politicians. well right now i suppose the answer is probably no but just because it seems you know unlikely doesn't mean you stop trying because if you give up and you'll never succeed and i still believe we have a window of time all we can do all of us is the very best that we can and try and get a browns well a critical mass of people who understand that yes we need money to live but it goes

wrong when we limit the money and i mean read orleans economists who talk about the real cost of food on other materials that are coming in from other countries and when well it was sort of again it's the consumer who doesn't understand i mean why is this product cheap it's cheap because of factory farming which is horribly cruel to animals and absolutely shocking it's cheap because of child slave labor a slave chops and really not paying the right amount of money for what we buy in the west to brown or to a very large extent so it's like i say a week or a piece things you know that all interwoven and no one organization can solve everything or we can do this work as hard as we can to change just many minds as

possible and to have hope that the many minds will change the way things operate because after this coronavirus if we go back to business as usual which is the goal of so many of our politicians around the world today that horrible swing to the far right then then this window of time that we have to create change it's closing all the time dodging good off thank you that ever want to your favorite or the last season we'll bring you this is going to have an affair like show. if you don't miss an interview enjoy the other guy but followed up with a facebook instagram and it's out but they say.

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