will be back with a brand new season starting september the 5th but until then we'll be showing you some of your favorite shows of this past star studded season stay safe coming up in this episode we ask bernard shaw give the coronavirus pandemic has fundamentally changed humanity and what it means for the internet the police and the planet classes those living locked down from friends and family for the 1st time in months we are the legendary german director about his new film family romance l.l.c. which explores the commodification of relationships all of the more coming up in today's going underground but 1st after a weekend that saw the united states celebrating independence day and the u.k. flooding the country's pubs you'd be forgiven for thinking life was getting back to normal after the coronavirus pandemic but with protests calling for the defunding of police still going on around the world will the only way to return to normal mean us having to embrace the surveillance state in fact will anything really be the same ever again joining me now from los angeles in the united states is the greatest film director of all time at least according to francois truffaut verna

his new film family romance l.l.c. is streaming now on movie ivana thanks so much for coming on before i even get to the new field what culture of you've been enlightening yourself with during the lockdown well i'm trying to be disciplined. i stay tell me and i think it's best and it's you responsibility you keep distance takes place nests if you do have to mention indeed edits huge is. starts to sucker meaning that i resist to be starved out the most expensive for attitudes. because straights strain the rejections more than actually texas. so you're better watch out you get. now many people maybe a different generations will know your acting as a as

a star of the man to laurean but this new film family romance can you just explain why i might ask you whether there i am impersonating an interviewer interviewing you and how that how that is to do with the film it's a deep question yes it could be you know might be an impersonator digitally this possible to plough you into some digital interview with a likeness of you a real person so we we have to understand that representation of self even if you were yourself has changed with the digital age and in the way family romance. has as a subject this question of performative things or fake fake news of performative appearance of people where you're meant somebody most of the people

actually know exactly what they are doing they rent a friend when they're in deep salvage the woods and they have a great afternoon with a friend and they go out to the bar but sometimes. that might be a case a change missing a father. gets a rented father and does know that the father they see and did so then it's then it's a deeper thing but of course make question is how much is your last performative. doing a conversation on the air you're probably talk differently than to your own family we play roles when we are in the military service of n.p.r. with our children so we adapt different voices different attitudes. is it a kind of sequel to. tokyo story not really that serious mention a film of bin ventus there in that case it was

a documentary and there was a participant but it's more about image making. images that are wasted away that degenerate into that. dying out in they keep saying that since long time if you do not create adequate images for the state of our civilization we might die abject dinosaurus. because presumably people will say it charts a horrifying destruction of family life let alone family romance given that people are imitating fathers hurting feelings and whilst always being alone. of course it points on some to excess tension solitude said we increase because populations are aging in all industrialized societies

we have age and populations but it's not only aging populations it's also the internet itself that experiment toxically pretends to connect us yes we are connected we are not isolated in solitude screwed deep into the showroom of the internet lo and behold reveries of the connected world and in web sequence actually didn't include it in the film places teenager who 15 years old who does true sounds and 200 texting a day constantly texting it's totally amazing and i have never seen solitude s.t.p. stet because all these 2200 trains and trace work she has never met in lo and behold i think it's evil musk that. appears at one moment presumably you were joking when you said you wanted to go to mars on

a one way trip no i actually i'm old enough to do it now i could do it. now i'm just curious it points to a very very deep curiosity of course and orient it very well are you to work state since. i'm always depicted as adept at the lint jeopardizing my life but the life of everyone else is proof you said i'm very good in the assessment of risk . in proof that i'm a prudent is set in i don't know send yourself feel not a single act of ethical turret but let's face it i do believe that his stream. to colonize mars is is something we shouldn't do i think it's a mistake we should rather take care of our planet sheer and not make a planet out there hospital which doesn't really well chemists at all it's

10000 times easier to colonize the bottom of the oceans for example than colonizing mars yes send out a few robots and maybe a few extra minutes for scientific research and get them back but do not go like the locusts. greys empty our planet and then move on to the next one in family romance when characters do become conscious that they may be hurting people conscious of their impersonations conscious of the illusion they seem to think the only way out is a fake death. yes that that is some sort of undercurrent in the film however the film shows and reality shows that the clients who rent persons to overcome desailly to replace a family member appearing awaiting us they enjoy what they are doing of course some

people said that corona virus could bring society back together again rebuild it stop it being atomized do you think do you think it has helped bring society back together again very hard to make an assessment of the great society going no for example and family values become all of us and more important we look out who is really close to me who is really important so we go for the essential snow who are the real friends and in. case in the increase in a context with family and i increase my contacts which may be very best friends all the rest becomes an important electoral votes and work on things that are since it's essential if we're if one is lucky to have them of course i mean you're in los angeles coronaviruses hit the working class is right around the world

disproportionately worse and in fact class seems to have. become an issue in l.a. because of its intersection with race what have you made of what's been happening in l.a. recently you know of course a racial disparities become very evident in there we have seen it before going when you look at the prison population not only in california with the united states criminal justice is heavily based and i do believe that the soul movement of africa. an american being noticed maining their rights and being supported in having their rights is something completely necessary and over to you and i as a filmmaker and member of the academy. just yesterday received a new nearly accepted members and it's remarkably 50 percent

almost 50 percent now of new arrivals into their. women a huge amount of african americans a huge amount of them. was from. from other cultures like latinos and other cultures and of course also a lot of foreign us foreign film make us not trying to get an oscar that by celebrating them because of course still people of color disproportionately targeted there what have you made of especially since you made that film about death row there being court decisions now allowing the resumption of executions in the united states whether it's. something that is in the acceptable for me. and. i think it is.

it is something which points to something barbaric. but it's the last thing i can tell the american people may be pissed opinions because only can tell them i am against capital punishment. because as a german i can not tell the american people cheney's people pakistanis how to deal with capital punishment and prison war it asked me he said very urban why i got an activist against capital punishment i said no but i fundamentally against capital punishment tell me why what's your reason and i said i do not have an argument and do not have a philosophical argument however i have a star i come from a country that executed takings of thousands of people because.

back instead regime against the barbaric regime of hitler even telling a joke on hitler could cost you live your life in addition to the 10s of thousands of people executed because of a severely retarded or insane or not worthy to live cert in addition to that genocide an industrialized genocide of 6000000 jewish people end of story. if you really understand since. it started ok and it's a story when i stop you there more from the legendary filmmaker after this break. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy confrontation let it be an arms race. spearing dramatic developing the only thing i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical

of time time to sit down and talk. an entire village in alaska. if another country trying to wipe out an american town . we do everything in our power to protect the. water they escaping climate change poses the same threat right now alaska seems some of the fastest coastal erosion in the world he was asked about 30 feet. 35 feet of ground in just about 3 months while we were measuring. he is fast and that means the river is 35 closer to how than was the year of the war i think were a part of america 1st from.

welcome back i'm still here with one of the greatest filmmakers of all time so it's actually 75 years since the end of world war 2 if you've been watching i know you watch going underground but i thought he was covering the russian involvement in the 2nd world war surprise that certainly here in britain it was churchill who almost singlehandedly won world war 2 and and here in the united states is american g.i. . yes won the war but of course. we are completely and utterly aware that. russia lost 25000000 people for winning the war and i know that russian troops. whether once who liberated consideration camps absolutes in the us and. where

there's an. incredible sacrifice. on the side of russia and i do believe that. it's ignore it because of crisis of political interests it's very much a question not what are the facts maybe 600 ourselves 1000 american soldiers lost their lives in the 2nd world war 2526000000 russians those are facts that cannot be ignored and today it's not that important what really happened it's where the christian who owns the narrative who owns the narrative and occupying the narrative has created some sort of lock sided. ideologies and looks at it the information that we see every day i don't believe that the demonization of russia is a very very big mistake they think statues a part of

a narrative i know that they're tearing down a statue that they are attacks my understanding of history. is different i think we should be aware that we are historically formed and we are formed by mistakes and we are formed by by what the past is history doesn't and she history doesn't function by erasing the trauma case history doesn't function by talking the money immense but uses it you don't treat it very. yet you support the toppling of the statues of hitler in your country of your birth. yes beck but it's i think of course in the spa sticker insignia and all is fine yes however in favor of very much the publication of hitler's main comfort his. his writings to date we have a new edition of it in germany just spend for

a long time now days a new edition and you only can buy it with very faint and rotations historians who point out what was the consequences of this statement of hitler what was the consequence of this or that with that paragraph in the book so it notated of course another element of the black lives matter protest has been the call to defund the police it's been criticised here in britain what have you made of it especially since your great film left hand and bad left haven't you painted a very grim picture of your justice system that. well it's a movie style air station and it doesn't have to to do much street police attests to do with that have to characterise it all that but i must say my experience with police here in los angeles has been very pleasant been they do believe that only

a very very small fraction of american police is rotten and acts in a way that shouldn't it shouldn't be it needs to be reformed that's obvious and see no doubt defunding it completely into replacing them with boy scouts or beach along tees who would be stupid it doesn't function like that. but of course the united states as we say on this program of tin imprisons per capita more than stalin or mao yes i see all of this and i notice all this not in the business of america bashing america has been very good to me and i see this as somebody who is a guest here in the country and i see of course all the deficits and i try to do my best and try to. speak out whenever there's an occasion to

point out things that are overlooked i know that in the past you've said how los angeles is an amazing place because of the cultural power it exerts right around the world is it losing any of that today or is it still there. i think it is still there because the things of great importance of great significance normally originate in in california and i mean the computer so internet started here in los angeles by the way the collective dreams of the world in cinema hollywood which is not my cup of tea but we have to remark important things also the silly things like aerobic studios and yoga assist for 5 year olds and so all the silly things spec they have repercussions around the world they normally originate from here it very few other things come from other cultures muslim

fundamentalism is not code for me i'm born and it comes from yemen and egypt and pakistan and saudi arabia there are obviously weapons companies in california that affect those other countries from where the is them is i'm comes from i suppose i mean do you notice any more a greater progressiveness in california regardless of trump happening in california right now a resurgent like max and i think that is yes despite of trump california is doing ignoring much of what's coming from the central government and its inoperative and its bold for example electric cars tesla car as they come from coming for india the rockets to mute separation of probably this week on advertising on mask throughout this interview. i mean i also you mentioned the academy they gave the

top oscar to a crazy marxist film parasite by. oh is that tastes changing and becoming. well for like more like your tastes as a. as to the hollywood blockbusters that i know you don't like. well the academy here has stunned astonishing seeing sint among others the korean film parasite winning it. and its internationalizing of course. academy in tollywood is in no way opening to films from other cultures that desperately trying to open to china desperately trying to open to to india to india but it's because of the size of the markets too early though for any amounts a patient of indigenous peoples you've always made indigenous peoples a feature of your films they've actually been hit by coronavirus disproportionately

yes. that's catastrophic and you seed in brazil for example. and. yeah of crisis it has has been very much from my mind and it strains my wife who actually was pouring in the urals in your country and. for us in our region she has done an oratorio called last mistress composed of languages that are already extinct and languages that are critically endangered where there's only one or 2 or 3 speakers left and of course i have paid attention now every 10 days we are losing a hold spent with what happens if we lose question no more tolstoy no merkel calling no no not to no one to. know which i cough skeet and it's catastrophic how indigenous people are wiped out and

how their cultures are disappearing and now because of the corona virus they are one of the most endangered. groups that we have out there and of course this in the context of deforestation which has been linked to coronavirus you often talk about your jim anika era tent is there a chance that we are living through a via my germany type period as as you then just talked about extinction of entire societies of languages of while while we all watch celebrities on television. it's not easy to connect to the right to the confusions of the right my era and in the repercussions in the results from all these very stable times but. yes i think previous shaking. deeper corrigan

normally. because it does affects every person's. lifestyle you know why looking much more into late middle age is the big plague trines. into how it happened there are for example a re read. that danielle t. fellowes journal of a plague of the plague in london. in the 1600s it's an incredible how he describes that a. week trial destroying outside of parliament in london with no other racism in defoe it did actually do well in the bestseller's just as corona virus was a thing but i'm going to ask because i mean we cover it here yemen the world's worst humanitarian crisis the war is haven't stopped despite the un secretary general asking for it during coronavirus why do you think the media is

a default in covering conflict you said in lessons in darkness about the fires in kuwait i had the feeling that this looked really awful and it was just a media way to deal with it and i felt i should do it much better what what is it that can be brought to the subject visually and experientially that the media just isn't well. at the time and made the film about the failures of kuwait it was in the news in 10 seconds snippets in little clips every every evening but i thought there was something much bigger big show had to be done because it's not only a put it a political component in there the bad guys of saddam hussein started to fire since and i thought it was speaker it was a crime and not only a political crime it was a train against creation itself against the meaning of creation in

a major firmware in a way firmed it was imagery where you cannot recognize our planet anymore every single image is as if it were shot on a catastrophic different planet somewhere out in the universe and yet we know it's our planet try to to do a deeper approach that. back to what you're saying about yemen the situation in yemen this is highly highly highly complicated and complex it's not just simply a proxy war between east and west in saudi arabia and you're just name it it's very very complex and i'm not a pundit but i see what is happening and to see what is happening and and i think it is catastrophic it is catastrophic him it has to be nearly approached all visor stand on what interests what the interests of the others what

are their interests of saudi arabia what are the interests of the western community what are their interests on the ground on the ground it's a catastrophe and it cannot stay like that now as we face all the implications of. films you've made arguably your new film after family romance and see which is opening up here i understand is it about extra terrestrial threat to this world even though as we often cover him it's threatened arguably right corporations by military contractors and so on tell me about what fascinates me tis well they're fireballs coming at us and they had a lot of repercussions in culture like for example in history for example the blackstone at the southeastern corner of the car. is with

all probability a meteorite at least a millennium before the prophet mohammed introduced islam big events that have. hit us a mysterious into a big event she sure looked in the york atomic peninsula a crater 200 kilometers across 65000000 years ago that wiped out the dinosaurs and almost all life on the planet and it had we have to we have to be aware 10 minutes she of hundreds of millions of hiroshima bombs maybe even thousands of millions of. amount of energy hiroshima bomb packed and these things can happen again of course when i talk thank you. thank you that's it for one of your favorite shows of the last season will be back for you see is going to come in the 5th right the show you tube if you don't miss an interview and join the underground michael duffy twitter facebook instagram

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