again on larry king the authors of a recently released book a warning about a new nuclear arms race that they say is currently underway there joining us for an urgent in-depth discussion about that book short to right here which is called the button they always embury the former secretary of defense during the clinton administration he's in california and tom collina director of the policy plow shares fund and he is in new hampshire secretary perry i get on here to talk about a nuclear arms race and it's not discussed in the presidential race why not we're assuming it's over. everybody believes that the dangers of nuclear weapon ended with the cold war ended which is not today in fact the probability of a nuclear catastrophe is actually greater there was during the cold war and were entered into a new arms race as dangerousness costly as the one in the cold war tom if that's

true why well i think what happened is that a lot of policies that we had for the cold war for the arms race we had with the soviet union those policies never changed when the cold war ended and so as bill said people have moved on cern's have moved on to other issues but the old policies are still there and we never change them they're still dangerous and in some ways they're more dangerous than ever because people are focused on other issues and they simply don't see the dangers that we face and sent in to parry why isn't it discussed. that's that course is too deep for me dance a psychological question to fundamentally when the cold war ended the danger and the worried the people had to fear the people had about a nuclear catastrophe just ended with it and they just don't want to pick it up again and soon again but unfortunately the reality is that the danger is still very much there. you certain tom that the defining air of united states nuclear policy

is that it's focused on the wrong threat what are you talking was the wrong threat so the threat that we're focused on a leftover threat from the cold war is the threat of an intentional attack from russia that is simply not a likely threat because it would be suicidal for russia to watch that attack any attack a nuclear attack that russia would launch at the united states the united states would respond with a nuclear response and so it would be suicide for both sides the most likely threat we face today is blundering into nuclear war by mistake that's the threat we should focus on that's the right threat and by focusing on the wrong threat yesterday's threat of a russian intentional attack rationally making the threat of a blunder even worse. hypothetically mr secretary give me an example of what would be a blundering threat i think i'm the most obvious example is

a false alarm that we have had now during the cold war 3 different false alarms. more of them i personally experienced by getting a phone call remember might it's 3 o'clock in the morning or i caught a call from a watch russian north american intervention telling me this computer is showing 200 i.c.b.m.'s on the way from the soviet union and then i'd states it quickly added that he concluded as he was calling me to see if i could help him figure out what had gone wrong with his computers i tell you i will never forget that moment and no one can ever tell me that the probability of a false alarm is theoretical and the factors that led to the fall to arms during the cold war are still in place today they're still in place we still are on a quick lunch policy. is there a way to end the president's sole nuclear author already to retire the so-called football tom sure i guess there's 2 ways to do that one is the president himself

could share that authority with congress by saying only to civilian leadership cannon and launch nuclear weapons 1st but that authority would be the president shared with congress we think that would be a very viable strategy another way to do it is for the president to simply say the united states will never use nuclear weapons 1st the united states will never start nuclear war both of those approaches we think would make the united states in the world much safer because they would reduce the chance of blundering into nuclear war by mistake so perri you describe that phone call late at night that changeup perspective yes it did. it maybe much more conscious that the real danger we're facing is not a surprise attack community so if you're in a not today russia but as thomas said there were a blunder and a nuclear war and we combine or lie that through an accident like

a false alarm or to a political cost a calculation the approach of a political calculation of the cuban missile crisis but again the conditions are still in place for another crisis like that today the hostility between u.s. and russia today is about as great as the u.s. peter between the u.s. and soviet union during the cold war and we still have nuclear weapons faced at each other and on quicklaunch policies. what's the risk of false alarms tom so the scenario that worries us the most is imagine that there's a cyber attack and most americans don't realize that our commanding control our nuclear warning systems are vulnerable to cyber attacks so imagine there's a cyber attack that shows that there's a nuclear attack coming from russia let's say that would be a false alarm but the president would know that for some period of time and might feel the need to launch nuclear weapons within minutes before he knows whether the attack is real or false that's the fall are false alarm danger that we really worry

about and it's made worse by the fact that the president has sole authority to launch without consulting anyone can launch within minutes of an alarm and has nuclear weapons land based ballistic missiles that are vulnerable to being destroyed in the ground and the right ones as quickly so all of these things push the president towards a quick launch which could be starting nuclear war in response to a false alarm which to us is the worst catastrophe we can imagine as a 2nd memory phasing but didn't reagan and gorbachev sign a treaty need to end that. they were good reagan and gorbachev actually talked about discussed at reykjavik giving up on nuclear weapons and they were not released an agreement that they did find they have a treaty called the i.n.f. treaty where they get rid of them or they eliminate all of the medium range missile sadly that train has now been. you know withdrawn from the trainmen effect we know

no longer have any significant treaties controlling arms except a new start treaty which is about to expire. tom there are other people now involving on russia in the united states how many countries have nuclear weapons 9 countries have nuclear weapons but russia and the united states maintain 90 percent of those weapons so when you talk about the nuclear dangers in the world it's really primarily the united states and russia and when you talk about the potential to end civilization as we know it again it's the united states and russia so that's why we focus on the false alarm danger the risk of the united states or russia blundering into a nuclear war which literally could end civilization as we know it. senator defense supposing a general at norad. gets information that is wrong could he

start a nuclear attack could as someone other than a president provoke a clear attack and the only way a nuclear attack is made possible today is there a command being sent by the president and only the president has the communication system the kurds for during that some theoretical way he's the only one who can departed and in fact. you can imagine something inside the system where i'm wrong less likely in general than be actually in the. officers at the launch center and the 2 off at the lunch hour you know required cookies repress those too often to quit kowloon in the scientists are nuclear or they could do it as well. why to a why didn't we just disband the bomb tom why wouldn't we have shown the world that we can do it now as the rest of the world and do it and just do away with it well many people including us have been trying to eliminate nuclear weapons for quite

some time there are very strong forces in support of nuclear weapons a people don't tend to see it this way but a lot of money is in the nuclear weapons industry about a $1000000000.00 a year so that's a lot of jobs that's a lot of careers that's a lot of military bases with jobs and so unless people are demanding from their leaders to reduce nuclear weapons the bureaucracy the vested interests are going to make sure that it doesn't happen and that's really the difference between now and the 1980 s. when there was a public movement calling for new productions there is no public movement anymore and so the nuclear rocker see those forces that are benefiting from the maintenance of nuclear weapons they tend to hold sway and so part of what we're trying to do is educate the public to say look unless the public gets involved we really can't fix the situation. larry i would add there were an hour i was the secretary of defense

. i think there's a right at the end of the cold war and i thought we were on the process of eliminating nuclear weapons in fact between myself and the mention defense or russia or succeeded in dismantling 8000 nuclear weapons during the 3 years that our security council and i left the office i presume that was going to continue and we really were going to go there but then that's slowed down and then stopped and we're now in the process of the only of restarting a nuclear arms race. tom has president trump spoken about this at all president trump has spoken quite a bit about nuclear weapons often in contradictory ways and i think you could see him as the reason why there is could earn about presidential sole authority it's hard to imagine a president more impulsive and probably less prepared to handle the decision of launching nuclear weapons then president trump but it today he is the only one that

can order the launch of u.s. nuclear weapons now i don't mean to pick on president trump i would say that no president is prepared for that awesome responsibility and no president should have it it should be shared with congress or there should be a policy the united states should simply never start nuclear war. secretary perry do you fear president trump having that sole authority. i do fear it but i also i really agree with tom has our concerns not just from president trump other presidents have similar concerns and asked now when president nixon was in the last few months of his office he was a very heavy drinker and so he might have made an irrational decision based on that every drinking president kennedy was under very heavy medication for the pain that he was suffering and it's conceivable that. president reagan in the last few months in office appeared to be in the 1st few months early stages of alzheimer's so that

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i'm hoping my steam license back janja. will go back to politicking we're talking with former us secretary of defense william perry and tom collina director of policy a plow shares fund co-authors of the new book. the new nuclear arms race and presidential power from truman to trump what secretary perry is what is the football and how does that work. the football is a nickname we give to the communication system which the president would use if he were on order a large demand that is in a briefcase is carried by his out a shady attachés always always with the president every time you see the president

on a trip you'll see that an officer walking military officer walking discreetly behind carrying a briefcase that's a football football is a communication system in which he cures grand was also known. he also has to have the code to use that dept regular day and he carries out in his own pockets so restrain the. football in the car as he has all the everything he needs to start a nuclear war now this happened every day 24 hours a day. ok we remember the films fail safe and duck to strangelove supposin we get a false alarm but that was in the russians we get a report that they have. from pairing they're preparing a nuclear attack on the united states what do we do we go to congress to vote on this what do we do well i think the 1st thing we'd say is there's no reason to have a quick launch and that's the most dangerous thing you can do is a quick launch if we get some notification that the russians are about to launch we

should talk to the russians and try to figure out what's going on but understand that if the russians do launch and then we launch quickly our launch does not stop the russians launch so once one side has launched the game is over so so that the highest priority is to stop any launch of any kind so if you're a country is considering a launch get on the phone talking out of it but us doing a quick final quick launch is it going to stop isn't going to save this country mrs sedentary this may seem weird but why not ban i'm all for office and that's a good idea and that's an idea that president reagan president gorbachev out which they discussed seriously at reykjavik in 1906 they were not able finally to reach that agreement but they did follow up with their arms attorneys was reduced nuclear weapons now president reagan believed the nuclear weapons are

a great danger and he was were can try to get rid of them but he did not always succeed president obama believing that they were great danger and he were to try to humor them and he did not succeed that the forces resisting producing nuclear weapons are really very formidable who's in favor tom of keeping them. well you know as i said because the american public by and large is has moved on to other issues those that benefit directly from nuclear weapons are the ones that have the most sway and the most say so that is the military part of the military that benefit from having nuclear weapons defense contractors who make billions of dollars every year from producing nuclear weapons members of congress who have those weapons in their districts and whose jobs in their districts they're protecting so there are vested interests that want to keep nuclear weapons and unless the american people demand it very strongly of their leaders the vested

interests will hold sway now nuclear energy is a part of rife with them right doesn't nuclear energy. light up a lot of homes in america a new clearing does lined up a lot of homes in america and it can do it safely as well there one problem with nuclear energy is that the nuclear reactors that generate the fuel for the reactors . for the for the fuel for nuclear energy can also. turn a fuel that can be used to make a nuclear bomb so it is a possibility that a country that has nuclear energy might use their nuclear reactors to divert them into a nuclear weapon program that happened for example with north korea and it could happen when their hands were to i was so concerned about iran's nuclear reactor program. it may seem simplified tom where are our nuclear bombs where are they well hundreds of them are deployed in the upper midwest in land based silos

abbott the largest proportion of our arsenal is based at sea at submarines. within submarines that are under the oceans or in ports ready to deploy which is why we say we don't need a land based ballistic missiles we could safely retire those because we have so many nuclear weapons deployed at sea even if we didn't have a land based missiles we would have deterrence against russia because even if russia attacked us we would still have the sea based missiles to respond secretary perry how on a scale of one to 10 how worried are you about this. i think the problem the possibility of a nuclear catastrophe today is greater there was during the cold war well i wouldn't say it's 10 percent it's less than the last maybe only $100.00 but

when you get that there's a very broad odds if you're. playing program is not very good odds if the end of the world is at stake or whatever they are i really can't put a number on the whatever they are we should work to reduce them. is a very important book thank you both very much former secretary of defense william perry and tom collina director of policy at ploughshares fund thanks for being with us on politicking thanks for having to thank you for having us larry agger antonio geniuses hollywood blacklisted him for supporting donald trump so he's launching a conservative movie studio to combat it he also has a dramatic new memoir the memoir is. the untold story of what is the on told story actor and dial tell us the untold stories in many stories his book a sister. a story to read many stories and a story of my life and what my family and i've been through and i think it's

fascinating now that i have the book done and people can see all kinds of fun things that happen to me and hardship to my family went through at the end of the day hopefully is going to help a lot of people get out of that place is you know it's a positive story you know when you say you were blacklisted in one way and every way you know when they didn't want you around they don't want to have anything to do with you know these are casting directors agents managers in hollywood and you know i was the 1st celebrity to come out larry and to support my president support from from day one and when i spoke at the hour and see you know after the next 24 hours larry i was i was dropped by my agents by my manager i had jobs and things that i was going to do that year and i lost everything i had to relocate you know kept you know kept kept going you know one way or another and being i have support system in my family and stuff but i i went through a lot and it's all in the book you know i take care of my family my kids you know

that's 1st and foremost so they took the jobs away from you know i had to really start a new life you had major roles in the general hospital the bold and the beautiful did they take him away from you. why have i had jobs and all kinds of stuff i had a fortune you know my career has been 35 years of a lot awesome stuff i played my game but i also played under my rules and follow anything that hollywood kind of just pushes you to do you got to do certain things i did it in my own way and that's what you going to see in the book a lot of great stories with a lot of great people all over the world and you know i think it's something that people should reopen to read it and i hope they like it. manages to read tell me about this conservative movie studio. yeah been working really hard for 3 months me and my team a production team a bus starting a new studio that is it's an alternative studio you know it's it's it's it's a stupid it's going to support our police officers going to support our flag our

military our country. and conservative actors and people in the industry that you know way out he's you know i can wear my my my my christian cross larry to a casting office in l.a. and i mean ultimately take it off i can't talk about god i can't talk about my support for this president or where maggette had or where or how with a flag on it i'll be called all kinds of names it's ridiculous you know i i don't consider myself races never have been but they they call people and they start things in the media jumps on and it's just. that's right i think this book is really you know it relates to what's gone on and you know we need positive there we need to work together we need to support our country make sure that we move forward in a positive way and and everybody deserves a chance to speak you know judy you also got a movie called trailblazer shows that coming along blair yeah it's been really hard you know a lot of distribution companies a lot of people in hollywood they want to work with me. without even having never

met me or anything like that it's just they 'd just put it on you know it's the trump supporter forget it will never work with us so. it's been really hard trying to raise money you know and to raise 6000000 dollars for this picture for a trailblazers it's going to open up the studio but god is good i'm very i'm very optimistic and i hope for the best and we're going to make it happen as a great cast the movie's ready to go so we'll find the money among most their mum was there. variety quoting you back in march is saying donald trump is doing fantastic i think he'll be reelected by a 100000000 votes you don't usually feel that way 100 percent 100 percent there's there's right and there's wrong and right now you know the people that don't know it's just study about what's going on in our country and in the political world because as much as people don't like trump if they don't it's because the media has been pushing this narrative of negativity and all this false about the guy but

again today got a look at the facts is the country economically doing better yes and we've been through a lot yes is a military still number one yes is the dollar still good yes that taxes well yes we protected as a country are we are we taking advantage of the situation and moving forward together you know as a country and i think this president let the right way and the opposition is very much a socialist. you know group of people that i don't support i don't support socialism i don't i don't support communism and and it's in the book too larry people we stories about what my family went through my grandmother had to go through what we went through as a family because of socialism we don't want to hear i don't you know you don't think joe biden is a socialist do you. 100 percent what you know i don't think while joe biden is being controlled i think there's other people in his party a controlling him to say and do i don't think he's legit i don't think he's healthy

i don't think he's right to be the next president united states for i mean these are just is age what i've seen what everybody is seen i mean we're concerned when you admit and julio this is ministration was late in dealing with the coronavirus. i disagree i disagree because i think he was 1st i mean remember people wanting people at the beginning said don't close the market don't close the mark don't close flights don't close any don't close anything related to coming into this country they're all against it he did it anyway he did the best he could he did a lot for new york he did he stood up there and answer every question brought a team of medical professionals on board he gave money to every state whatever they needed they could ask for it was up to the state i mean what else do you need the guy to do so i think he did more than enough and i support everything he did but the other part is against him whatever the guy does the media is against the man he can't do anything successful you know you watch these press conferences and the

media cannot be supportive about anything that this guy does you know so then a day to be right about something great having you with us today always good seeing you thank you sir appreciate you thank you. thanks antonio we thank him we thank you for joining us on this edition of politicking remember you can join the conversation on my facebook page or tweet me at kings things don't forget to use the politicking hash tag and that's all for this edition of politicking. join me every thursday on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm showbusiness i'll see you then. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy on sunday

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the exiled belorussian opposition leader urges her fellow citizens to keep up the pressure on president lukashenko with more strikes and protests. at large rallies both for and against him are held across the country. also this hour russian opposition figure had an exit not only has tested negative for the presence of toxic substances as doctors roll up poisoning for now. and a u.s. request to reimpose sanctions against tehran is rejected by the remaining members of the iranian nuclear deal.