directly to people and bypass the banks with their money printing that's now being discussed in the highest circles of backing this is an amazing prediction that was made basically by simon he's the 1st he's the best investment banker in bed killing and crypto so really a seminal character in the whole industry simon i want to get started 1st of all welcome thanks for having me no one gives an introduction likewise a ripple of thanks max well it well deserved now the front page of the economist magazine says free money in one month the united states printed more money than it had in 200 years how much longer can this money printer go burb before the whole thing collapses well that's the debate this going to be had right now so you all of a sudden as i say we talked about this in 2010 the shia money is ruined so you might as well have the governments create as much of it as they like and going to a competing money supply came along right because and so now you've got these 3

different forms of competing money coming along you've caught more than modern monetary theory whereby the governments just scrape creates all the money and you've got the middle system which is what we've had for the last decades which is fractional reserve banking where the banks create it privately yes like a hybrid caused by cops and this free market strake craney caps a less regulated environment which drives everyone into debt and then you go private money the next question is do we have deflation or do we have inflation and that's really dependent upon who craves the money of the faustus re so money has been destroyed as will these businesses before and that that consumers default on their debts and so the governments have to try and create the money out of fausta rates and if they do successfully created under fausta rates the number of the full then you could end up with a surprised. nation and consumer price inflation which seems to be the trend that

we're heading towards with all this modern monetary theory that consequence of all that money printing and as you mentioned they're having to print faster and faster is the creation of the can tell you naira classed those who are benefiting from the 0 percent the free money from the fed those who are closest to the fed versus those furthest away from the fed and many of them are of course out protesting and rioting in the streets across the world at the moment do you see that as a causal and relationship there is it correlated and how do you think this can tell you in our class might react to the collapse of this fat system yes so when money creation is created by a private bank as debt and governments crave less and less money which is the money that they create is cash in coins you get one of the consequences of that is that the one of the biggest reach for divides which is what we've experienced which is

you're pushing consumers into debt in order to save the economy so they say one ever increasing levels of debt in order to try and get you know to beat. inflation now all trying to speculate on real estate which is driving them greater and greater into debts as their mortgage repayment doesn't cover their income so each and every month you know months a month ago and greater and that and yet those the you know the closeness of the cheap money you know the consumers of boring on credit cards and payday loans and paying extortionate interest rates as you've always covered but those that are the richest and wealthiest and control the most awesome. can actually get access to this very cheap credit and they can use it for asset price in inflation so companies will use it to their stock prices and the the the you know u.s. . with this rich poor divide where the money's being used to prop up the riches

assets and the consumers and the other claw deeper and deeper into that and so you just end up with this great system of wealth that we've had to see ever since occupy wall street there's been a lot of activism and protests on the straight kind of focused on banks and banks became a subject of a lot of protests do you think the lever see a time when all those protests around the world we call it the global insurrection against banker occupation but do you think they're rallying cry from the street from some point will be to stop printing right i mean this is the opposite of what we have today because people particularly on the left side of the political equation are demanding more printing more subsidies sharing quote sharing the wealth but that's the problem is they're printing too much do you think they'll ever the penny will ever drop that they'll ever figure out that the problem is please stop printing no i don't think so because the people that are protesting in

the streets right now are talking about the inequality and the nazi focusing you know that the inequality is a symptom but the problem is systemic and release the people rioting in the streets to come to the realisation that actually too much government printing when everyone's austin for more businesses are asking for more consumers or austin more we need you somehow pay our mortgage we need now you pay all rands you shut down all businesses we call on to anything so it's quite right that they should be austin for more when the government's telling them that they call a. living but that they don't necessarily realize is that that can be the cause of the problem and the destruction of the system now if necessary deep in debts i guess that may really can benefit from that debts that they have to repay in cheaper in the future or even the debt do you believe so i think that now be crying for more more money. seeing the destruction of the system really reaches the point

where the debt is so great that the rich need to be concerned. and that's really what i think we're going to see nads and i see cracks and you're going to see is protesting in the streets again central banks are about to let them go boss the government to give them the bailouts they won't necessarily be able to bail in and so the bank is i think going to be great testing in the streets when the central bank asked to be sold this money and retail banking direct to consumer has 3 financial companies is what i think is missing in there you know that's kind of a genius point really and it's in keeping with what we're saying here and member going back to occupy wall street the bankers upstairs on the on the office towers on wall street were throwing money out the went out you know thinking they're immune from what's happening with all this to tear money printing that you've described and as you point out now read a point where the central banks if they go direct to the to the people using

financial technology called crypto currencies exactly a token from the central bank they're going to put these banks out of business now h.s.b.c. stock has set a new all time low you know and one of these big banks like that than 2008 could go belly up you know we saw lehman go belly up bear stearns went on their northern rock in the u.k. went under and started the whole stampede of 2008 we could see h.s.b.c. or deutsche bank go under our huge avalanche and what you're saying is no bail and this time no bailouts we're just going to cut you off completely and we're going to have backers in a 3 piece suits doing on the street joining the global insurrection against central bank occupation i think that could very well happen let's talk about the u.s. dollar for a 2nd you know it is the it is the world reserve currency and there's a lot going on here a lot of. mark surrounding this your thoughts it well i think what we see what

we're going to see next isn't 944 style bretton woods agreement monetary renegotiation and so i think that obviously the u.s. will get a seat at the table as they did in the previous monetary negotiations and they're going to obviously try and you know keep the strength of the dollar until the dollar is not worth anything then it is still the strongest currency out in terms of money i'd rather have dollars and then it's no so the moment so you know the fact that 70 percent of all. overall you know debts and transactions are all u.s. dollars and 50 percent of transactions actually happen in u.s. dollars means that everyone says you've got an incentive to keep it alive they're exporting a lot of their inflation through the people's bank of china to china who obviously have monetary controls. lending a lot of money to the u.s.

and they have to swap in all those u.s. dollars that they receive the chinese you want leading that they have to print a lot of money and they're trying to figure out where they're putting it but really i think the seat at the table of all these large super currencies and countries is going to be how much gold they have and so that's essentially why you know the countries with the largest go to g.d.p. ratios are the ones are going to have a seat at the table as germany for europe that's russia that's china who we don't fully know how much a goal but we know they've been accumulating more than a saying and us as well this race to the bottom as you point out a world of fractional banking world apprentice money to try to export your way g.d.p. growth has created this perverse incentive system where countries are trying to out print each other and goal is that having a goal is not for goaltending new all time highs in every major current currency including now the u.s. dollar you know against this backdrop of the insanity. of negative interest rates

and that up until recently was considered a financial and possibility that's never appear in any financial textbook in history and we also saw negative energy prices as well but putting that aside for a 2nd and negative interest rates have been the business down many many years and how does that fit into your model when negative interest rates are just a way of discouraging savings for the p.f. you know for those there to have access to the q.e. money you know those that have access to the q.b. money can can be on the right side of negative interest rates and those that don't have access essentially are simply saying save any of your money we want you to spend it we want you to be broken we want you to boree we need more money in the system we need you to borrow more money and so please don't have a pension please don't have a retirement and please don't say you were going to penalize all of that and the small strategy for anyone in this economy is take on as much stats and hope for it that you believe because that's where everything's headed say you know negative

interest rates are just. a signal to the world please don't say we don't want you to good point all right well we're going to continue this discussion after the break simon dixon back to the future the bank this platform and the book had again to its 2nd decade and a must read don't go away more with simon after the break. so

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of the head a couple points here that. get your thoughts on paul tudor jones very famous hedge fund manager i've been following him for decades he's put 100000000 dollars into big going futures contract he says bitcoin is the fastest horse in the race this is obviously now institutional money pouring into because maybe just for the audience explain because i hear a lot of people saying well those are big point futures contracts they don't count but simon what are your thoughts i think we are headed in the same direction as gold where there are going to be paper versions of big corning but you have to remember and we're going to see jury in this great depression a 2020 there is a difference between gold and paper gold we're already starting to see the absolute scarcity the reason we're reaching a new time highs is because people want their physical gold people want their gold close to them and the smart people are getting their gold close to them and so all these paper contracts where there's not enough gold to actually act all of these

aper contracts creates a scarcity in the underlying assets i think we're going through a similar situation in. the big trends right now is the fire and you know that's a lot of on chain yielding products and financial products but really centralized financial companies are the building on top of the solutions they're building paper contracts they're building you know these different types of contracts but they eventually lead to a scarcity of the underlying assets because if you don't own the private key then it is not your big. coyness the old mantra not your keys not your coins and remember we have all of these derivatives and financial institutions and now we've got banks custody in coins you know they can end up owning them just like fear money they can end up spending them just like you have money and they can end up creating paper representation of them but they are not the underlying and

fortunately there's a big chain where you can actually see unlike gold how much because there is how many more there are to be created and the exact monetary policy which creates the scarcest hardest form of money the world has ever seen that can be digitally spends really don't confuse that sort of futures contract when it comes to investors and they tend to use these paper versions because they don't want to actually store the underlying because they're just trying to get exposure and i think that's just going to drive a lot more people into the paper version which eventually leads to a scramble for the underlying assets once those once you actually need it which is where we're headed at the moment of course in the united states the j.p. morgan bank is being prosecuted under rico for their manipulation using future is and paper gold to manipulate the gold and silver market so that would be interesting in light of what you said in the 1st half in terms of these bankers i just really want to see jamie diamond like stormed grand central right next to j.p.

morgan's headquarters and just like start to start some sort of riot for the bankers and you know in case for the audience just so you know we are in north carolina which is hurricane alley so you could hear a real live hurricane coming through right now as we speak i know simon this is probably your 1st hurricane you may have experienced ever. it is well let's talk further about these these futures contracts and the whole derivatives space big. as other then this notion of an e.m.p. or the whole internet going down one thing we always hear from naysayers is that bankers are going to take over this and they're going to manipulate it like gold and silver and that this is that thus a reason why one should not own bitcoin do you agree with that how do you respond to that argument and the way i would respond to that market now argument rather is

the same for every single market so i used to be a market maker on the london stock exchange and my full time job was to manipulate the price of stocks and shares up and down so if somebody was putting out a tip on the news or in a magazine back then it was investors chronicle words and stuff like that then we used to push prices up push him down try and create some activity and create some liquidity but eventually the long term fundamentals for mel and we're starting to see that with gold at the moment as well the reason that gold is it more time is because through all the manipulation steroid ever all the accusations all you construct the manipulation unfortunately the short term the long term you know the fundamentals apply we've already seen big manipulated shorts on many occasions you know c.e.c. these joined normal orders going into the exchanges that make people dump the price short. and people start speculating on who sent and selling them and some of the

you know earlier this year about 50 really early addresses in big corning were sent to an exchange these are all designed so manipulation so you can get that in every single market but really as an investor focus on the long term fundamentals unless you want to trade and split pay in some of these insider manipulation games let's go back to the sovereign layer here you know the crisis genius protocol of stacked of game theory and it seems to go higher and higher up the ladder and now at the solder level where the question is what stay. a group of states will start getting into buying or acquiring or mining because it is a way to add to their strategic reserves and different sovereigns are now trading their own sovereign digital currency people trying to figure out how that fits into the big quaint space that japan is going to introduce the digital yen china thinking about a coin except. and so a couple of questions so when japan appears to introduce

a digital yen. you know what do you think about a national crypto currency in the 2nd part of the question is the pushback you hear from people is that well what have countries outlaw because and that there is another thought to this that actually though it's just saying there's more likely that countries will want to get into competitive bidding to add to their strategic reserves and acquire bitcoin that's the flip side of that argument but how do you come down simon on this sovereign digital crypto coin now in the pickle in space and how's that going to play out the things current see is going to be 100 percent digital very soon or is he is in some countries. the interesting thing that people confused is people often think. that you know the central bank digital currency is the same thing as what we've already goltz because the money is already digital and there's a war on cash and cash is virtually disappeared anyway there is i see

a major major difference it's who creates the central bank digital currencies and how their trades and so when a country actually creates a central bank digital currency. into the economy and they're going to have to figure out their models i personally think the way they're going to issue it is as a result of an eye when people would see helical to money as a individual universal credit income. and they're also going to issue it in proportion to banks go embossed so people don't lose that supposes so if you have some money in a bank you can just get some central bank digital currency in the buy. can go bust hence the banks writing in the story. so i think the but it's not backed by debt as well as another interesting point so it actually is a deal leveraging a fat when central banks issue these digital currencies versus the digital currency those created by the private bank with regards to bitcoin gives people an

oct out in the nexus because when central banks and governments crave digital currency it's going to be all full effects on your privacy your freedom your ability to spend your money as you choose is going to be intersected with compulsory vaccines is going to be intersected with your ability to get on a plane in the future and the anti money laundering regimes and automated tax collections are going to be all intertwined and we're just going to have more and more into connection with the central bank digital currency so that's where bitcoin really comes in and then people lost well will they ban it we already have seen use cases we've seen that china and exchanges and it pushed the price from $3000.00 out of the $20000.00. overseas part of that was a speculative bubble corrected and now we're starting to stabilize a bit more so i think we'd be very naive to think that governments wouldn't try and ban bitcoin when they start to realise and it becomes

a political power play and we already saw that you know with the with the gold in the pasta when it came to the monitor renegotiation what ensued many people were hoarding and they wanted to increase the velocity of money they banned gold and just simply made it illegal in america but at the same time there was a 2 tiered market a market for converting at the central bank and a market for other countries so what i think you'll start to see is car countries where their currencies are being destroyed right now that are experiencing hyperinflation or debts you know overindebtedness like we're seeing in countries like. i think they're going to have an opportunity to achieve coin and then announce it as one of the reserves of mass and for banks so fortunately the competitive forces i think will make it where if one country makes it illegal another country will see that as an opportunity and we'll start to see this country central bank level where the last central bank then announces they're going to hold

some of their reserves in big going as well as golden dollars and currency actually become the biggest losers and so i think we're going to start to see because as a political tool by central banks because it can be used by anybody let's talk about any be a bit buddy because we talk about summer solutions here and we're talking about a renaissance like a moment of rebirth so if you're saying that all these banks the j.p. morgan's goldman sachs h.s.b.c. deutsche bank b.m.p. pare about that they all go away they disappear they collapse. is of course your own bank so what happens in a post banking post be out world like how much entrepreneurship a flourishing of like fraud free or certainly reduced fraud and vironment like what happened i don't think we're going to see a post fear i think fear will survive and it would just be in a different format since the fear that you're going to see is going to have less freedom less over and see less privacy and lots of really horrible features built

into it. and if banks go boss this is not the the banks go away is that the banks have a choice of 5 or adjusting to the central bank digital currency they don't get a super subsidy they they're no longer too big to fail because the central bank can just let them fail and there's a way of you know auctioning off all the debts and replacing money with a central bank digital currency so it actually drives banks to be more honest and if they don't. when they're not too big when then when they're not too big to fail they. have to compete with financial technology companies that will be building in this fee it will now all of. these different players that come along and they're all competing there is you know this exit opportunity which is that you can pay on the form of money which is to just use gas and can't be manipulated so i think that you're still going to see fraud i think you're going to see fraud where companies

building on top of bitcoin like we have in the last all of these things don't necessarily go away but they look like a new form and the most important thing is the competitive forces users having the choice of where to play where to be use your fear money not because you have to but because it's convenient for certain use cases but don't put your savings in there and i think that's what we're going to see we're going to see every single financial products rebuilt in a decentralized way and in a more centralized way with 2 forces competing and consumers having more choice finance is going to get more complicated. are going to continue but the beauty of this is that you've got more choice and you do have a hard sell more money and you don't need to rely on your go simon dixon great stuff that a should add to your bio. term futurist you know you really do qualify as a futurist you have predicted so many things have come true thanks for being on

kaiser report summer solutions pleasure thanks for having me but that's going to do it for this edition of 3 part with max as they say i want to thank our guest again simon dixon of bank of the future go to catch us on twitter it's kaiser report it's a lifetime. so we've got to do is identify the threats that we have to get through. is it going from dacian let it be an arms race is on off and this very dramatic development only personally i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time time to sit down and talk.

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