since take control of our minds and bodies in pandemic covert 19 shakes the world he joins me now via skype from the brianna thank you so much as some are coming on i'm going to get to the book right in a moment but they said it could be the 1st book on coronavirus i've got to ask you for some practical advice 1st for any of you is a health care workers key workers or workers furloughed at home or billionaires on private islands what films should people be watching right now during this period when there is a lockdown i don't think there is a universal concept i just found recently. british you can get it legally for free or if you want you it's called no escape or any whatever for an hour. or a famous cold war story. talk about a couple of pages. of trickling dollar of the words where in the real world you

can't beat. dr drew but we're here in the alternate reality but what i want to say is that we are now i think in a similar situation contrary to my friends who claim listen now it's your medical health care safety problem forget about. it now precisely those in power and that are offering different knew well basically most are not overt you need even if 1000 die it's not the capitalist machinery araby no we'd have to be mundane it's just what they call it. but then we can't just go let's stick to the united states the opposite of that which i find no less. andrew cuomo and any could meet so recent

weeks each. promising to those who can't afford isolation perfect baba's they call it no doc if you trip. you i didn't take in your actually get up i commend their own brink you go to medical exam and you get them digitally and show one and so on. don't do that isolation but you know what these letters are for get. that london less somebody has to be out there to prepare a package of food and so on you mentioned nurses and or death and so on and i think my american matches friend david. wrote a very good. on this how we became aware of this new working class not their glasses. at audience who work in factories but all those who take care of our daily lives even if we are isolate that cost because it

has to function so that it very casual fan can somebody get your mundane electricity walk all day care takers they are those with whom it's given a chance to get to come and meet became aware of the important role of the get they ne and so on what i think lasts and although we are all celebrating them good day until one and so on we nonetheless become aware of. how class struggle exploded you know case you know what i'm trying to state we're not in an image any daintily political moment. we are good at the last thing we look at economic. future i mean there diffused a real lobby out there a bit new eat a new what are we to be in the end and this is despite of course elites telling us

no we're all coming together we're all one society i should say jeremy corbyn the former british labor party leader and a host of m.p.'s of called what boris johnson's government is doing in the thinly veiled class war but on in the book you actually say that sometimes you catch yourself wishing to contract the virus what what is the nature of the barbarism in in your nightmares as you watch governments give their press conferences there will be one today here in london and of course donald trump perhaps at the white house no idea exactly right that of course i don't mean really catching the virus because i'm in an easterly military group i'm 7th you out of here or there you're beat this i think something smaller but nonetheless proclaimed to be elevate that there forever so no what i'm just saying is that you know when i would break began. we were walking eat like

a hollywood movie about contagion outbreak think you will be and then something will happen a global catastrophe or a miracle assume you whatever what is so thrashed they can come out now and talking not just of the loss of her but there's an everyday ordinary situation very parkening come my experience it's how uncertain in the situation eat even for a giant there is no because even in countries where i think. or appear to be getting a little beat that. basically just the rag on there is no clear so usually it really looks that we kept to lead him to leap we covered it was how to reorganize our lives and i'm not talking only about head and talking about do our best think 1st economy how we'll look for adoption and distribution function

i have in the news each of these are not something i'm trying to provide got it anything or let me now you know offensive to buy in not being for american you know i don't know whether they were young about small. food distribution check on pink or. if the 1st is tell the 2nd piece. every day life would be distribution possible congress the 3rd one is mental health don't underestimate the how many people now take an ox or whatever approach dark and be the president we all know that. there what are we really used to disappear and what we still for our state think this must be better get out of my reach oh to that contract it may be that radical. we don't know what will happen you remember

how we could grow we could be just dreams 1st must oh we come out here it will disappear then there will be creepy of a keen whatever it really is up here or whatever but all of these it's just then a feeling it directly or it incorrectly but change we can effect eat or extension of course something you take. care school do almost a kind of philosophical reflect imagine each of us as you say some of the antidepressant companies of course are involved in the vaccine apparently if one believes what the media are telling us he said he is trying to get to that side of capital you completely read that united kingdom and united states. don't want want private property to play out over here because the only if because think for me if some kind of a maybe look at something reach the men so. if something real be discovered

a bit really works the truth absolutely be broken the available to everyone it grew to that's actually been an issue in the world health organization virtual meeting i'm going to ask you though about this new liberal individual ism in a time of coronavirus because you say in the book that people are mistakenly emphasizing personal responsibility they blaming us in there really aren't responsible but you know if somebody said barry well when. when. boys danced on replace the moorcock. crow we don't all talk i was 6 day care or whatever stand not stay alert the basic message of the east stay alert so if you get ill it's your fault you know no this is the big moment i think we need now is state.

you should be interested for. us that's right i am deeply skeptical of doug electric left or right green clip or die young critics who see the fact that we build be traced where we are weak through our phones and so on should we don't. spread the illness your whole bit of water in your is ridiculous that somebody quit you back that one and because they. know from what i know i don't know how to cannot a company about 2 states israel and united states let me know that n.s.a. collaborated with google would be great book they are already doing kate all our emails are available that sort of aliens but are all our own cause i'm a liberal and so on and i'm why you. why it now only one

particular moment we did lestrade our movement where it least the immense sort of a list about how to surveil and about our course if you let's go for a book gough's i worry much more all of my emails clone post and so on available and i don't see any beak he can eat or to act in the state loves where i'm moving and you indeed praise one of the people that facilitated our understanding of that julian a songes in jail here in aa then my other point yet where they state we need some kind of community i must clarify i am not talking about all of the needs nor can we identify to spend your 1020 communism and change something randy but if i can think of people it might work you can be very pretty certain these if

brewer who are friends who lost their father wrote and i quote him. or another epidemic it's just addressed rehearsal for future crises i'm going to be there. global warming. i'm not sure i would be shocked until comments are on we should get a happy end to dupe duquesne or leave it to the market date or society has is some sense into being much more strong even if you divide us we'll keep a little beat we're going to get big problems. and so on week. and the number of unemployed exploding and here we cannot leave it the market deep motif of economic development the basic moat got to be still need some right but. cannot be. capitalised off it did not

actually look i hope we all agreed urgencies message 8 grand can't get not just girl abiders but other including many other problems including include breakdowns and so on beat to get healthy so. keep. the good and the basic social. functions of our society to fly off walk out of electricity garbage disposal and of course internet and digital space these cannot be left to the market they're what i think even if all of these domains would have been more not polite by some combination of mega private companies and state security agencies. a big danger that i keep a new form of state monopoly. where they believe the delete controllers dish

can grow or about and here i mention that if i want some community groups and. i quote it here by commies and simply. by keith well known between even. in a communist society. it's by was according to. need. a coping strategy. and when you say i am your top young even if you don't government. it's much more at least but even then i. do young still go i was there but every i was so get to play a quick look at what he got out of i don't know how well he's done so much they're not sure what i really and so on subject i'll stop you then more from the ledger if i'm off of our after this short break.

so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy to confront taishan let it be an arms race based on often scary dramatic developments only i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time

time to sit down and talk. welcome back i'm still here with one of the world's most famous philosopher. half of the people in this country and state paved here in britain do you think that i lead to understand some of what you're saying above i said hope if they didn't mean it be just a nod to. their whole ethos oh ok we have to make these compromises for a year maybe here and there and then. return to. normal when the u.n. secretary general says there should be a coronavirus world cease fire that hasn't happened israel's been bombing syria and as you say not only did he not only did it all out on deck the most depressed think

the employer could only let alone but literally the united nations come to veto anything i think this will be their meaning the global. but what kept me there are some strange recurring this very point indeed correct even our feet. now the. middle of africa that now dead even water between ice sheets and. all the stops and stragglers are exploding because their leaders or really think oh now everybody don't go on a ride with joe we're not attract too much attention. but i do. in the book in the book you talk about the markets panicking and the way the media reports this previously when we've had a big depression in capitalism obviously we had wars do you not think wars may be the solution rather than. hugh douglas islanders are gone you know look i make it

very clear. what i hope for the basic community backed off by these i mean you invest amend the some mount your mobilized program and i even include. that i think to mobilize people for example that it's high that you don't care if you drill immigrants on whom you look around to look at congress think i think that they could cripple the right maybe commodity like young people who are now unemployed and so on and so on but. these what you are saying if you want option. one looks nice the new digital i got to tell you where at least the wealthy elite will eat in their own bubble in their own work with out. safe and so one and so on and eternal control it by the state will explode another

version and i keep up with you believe the country looks in the united states and i'm going to let assume it. disintegrate overshadow i believe space and the corporate states will open in other states from time intelligent group will take over and they will begin to blame so i noticed until one and so on it's quite possible they could ask for some kind of a new body from you remember you are probably go young beastly trip up with out of some 34 years ago like south of boston or logan said i'm rather the elite living in kicking a bed in a kind of a bubble. and blue people are dying in that heat out there isn't this what the lady for example new zealand and our student got a plenty it appears they are really controlling the virus should be the create an

australia new zealand and leave out now i couldn't help the down but nonetheless we need. not to think in the very strong out there but we isolate ourselves crucial moment they can be influenced close. and agricultural collaboration otherwise there will be chaos that it will be. bearable be global disturbances and it will be a night well the fight for intellectual property rights of a vaccines is already beginning begun some are saying you also say in the book though that we should be weary of a spiritualist new age types who say that this lockdown should give us time to examine ourselves rather than that's what we should watch of the elite i claim you

know. a person the 1st think we should think about when we are that basic not even marxist but i left it. for some of us to be a real people safe isolate that in a lockdown situation plus think about all those who have to remain out there are working so that we can be isolated don't forget. if anything in the south of italy or even after the guy left in america. dr stroke you know we all the horror of the virus that out of context of millions of people. who are more afraid of other thing than the virus you go. viral and so on and so on well perhaps one of the most complicated parts of the book arguably is about a cat going off the precipice of a cliff do you think that there are powers that be that are beginning to understand

their lack of power amidst this coronavirus getting out you are very important it's very important what you're set now because people just have to describe the cat describe it have you know a classical scene from the tombs rather ok approach to separate hip if and then again to go on walking and although there is only air beneath it lex but we need to look down and notice that there is nothing beneath its feet only then it falls. i believe that many of our states are still in this phrase of denial think continue to function because they didn't really look at that i'm not yet aware of or big full extent of the crisis because my we have now. in

western european countries in accession we think to return to normal yet they will return to normal but it's not clear what kind of norm and so on and so on and i should link different metaphor to another one which i think now. we can clearly see that it keeps on mark justified and i used it you know russia today publish this my take on coronavirus is that kill bill. you know that it's especially right i don't strike with 5 fingers around your heart where if you continue to feed him up like nothing you can dog go on you can start walking your gloves there we are now well i think. we can shatter this 5 fingers as long as we can lock it down we can go on but at some point we have to stop moving and that's the difficult moment of

product of the old cut world capitalist system will not be able to eat even many in like capitalists and meat they think usually more in ukraine as young as you know immense take investment and so on and so on until one i think it's a little bit more i think that simply market no longer be allowed be the dominating principle of our social life. we need other not just strong state but also i don't know how it is in our shouting england but my friend probably it does spain but i still think me the extraordinarily early of a local community. we can organize it's almost like they have the. committee

for proof and of course it's not the same but the idea of people dead or in a certain local community and say ok let's organize ourselves there or need to be a need they need company and so on and so on so we don't need just strong efficient state we can violate market principles we need to take collaborating with the local community and we need state collaborating gloom click coordinate it's a big big other state and there are likenesses arguably and in the book you say china in some aspect is our future i don't i d.l.'s kind of to watch your words no indeed yes but can i just can i just finish please don't like to hear these but remember that don't touch of try not. also an action and success story come kong and taiwan oh so it's more important some

kind of a. collective spirit where people got the state and so on we don't have to become like tried now you don't only attack china you attacked not to be uprooted and russia severely in this book i just want to finish though since the world health organization i don't know what the stepanek that i just want that is why the sudden late that explosion you know i know it's not the same logic as seen in war 1st there is also a success story in complaining about irish and then but then it exploded i don't understand the situation in russia. my main. their arm was for an hour and so on the start of 2 days war criminals they are constantly undermining their own people or didn't someone from i mean the administrator

steve renouf nobody really are now in a war we try that one but we invite the ambassadors from those countries on the program to try and refute that of course the brazilian foreign ministry immediately slammed your work on coronavirus i'm going to just finally and if you briefly tell me about what you mean about the world health organization being a kind of template that may be useful in the future to be able to. fend off the i look i'm tired of in trying to hustle that whole username i just repeating somebody who last copy to leave them who is bill gates no. you cannot approach coronavirus. within the coordinates of frames of a nation state but x. . probably is work only for a set of period of time so what is absolutely necessary is god of the need even

if he prefers to explain going down. controlling the spread and. the globe lebed but understand what's more universally get no we need at least some and a man and a man who are global some kind of a bait heap for the nation without deeds i fear that we will effectively enter a new. thank you. thanks very much that's ever one of your favorite shows of the last season will be back for you see is going to come in the 5th try to show you don't miss an interview and join the under god by following the twitter facebook instagram and say say.

seemed wrong roads just don't call. me. yet to shape out these days to come out ahead and engagement because the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. you know but you know here they are so being you. yes it's for. free. if you feel pretty good. oh yeah it's. so. good game just they take you to where the courts for.

these other stories of men who can't imagine life without fashion without a sense of style without things that might be seen as weakness in this masculine world but they still demonstrate incredible strength of spirit to live as they choose. for. if you go to the symphony orchestra's warming up and each musician is is tuning his or her instrument so you hear this year all these sounds of noise get it but it's it's a constant it's disorganized and then the band the orchestra plays and you get music so what the brain does and what the maker to you is organized orchestrate these one collapses.

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