that i can garner that i can turn on and that's what i've done to the best of my ability one thing i've done which makes me very proud is really i documented the war before you people knew argue with me about vietnam through other sources and when it came to films and pictures it was the pain of the american saying in the in the deer hunter but he do say that he killed people and we had maybe stopped a rape of demi's nels but you came back knowing the lie i just want to skip a lot on a bed to midnight express because the prison industrial complex is something we talk a lot about here on going underground fact we say often that the united states imprisons per capita more people than stalin or mao why was midnight express not just about what happens in turkey if if mr a new one happens to be watching today it tried to make their point unsuccessfully at the turn but when i wrote midnight express years later this was in 1978 i'd come back from vietnam in 68 late 68 i had been thrown in

jail myself for federal smuggling in san diego california. right after i came out of vietnam i was carrying no some marijuana from from vietnam because it was good and i was smoking it on a regular basis i learned about that over there. and i was busted with it and thrown it into federal slowly charged very serious but increasingly i was with 5000 young people blacks spanish panic americans and a few white people mostly old drug crimes nonviolent but they were being severely don't with at the time it was the beginning the very beginning of the war on drugs nixon had just been elected he ended cleared that war yet but he was about to so we were the 1st wave that i could see in the injustice of it these these kids most of them were. coming from rough lives they didn't want to go to vietnam you

know they they were boarded at the best of their ability but many of them were drafted the they that they were trying to make extra money on the side that was the way to do it there was a system that i saw in america which and of course i was lucky because my father got me out of jail with the with with money there was there was class there because yeah you came from a relatively wealthy new family meant your or your speech at the golden globes which you recount here which alas i guess is not on video. some people may don't know that the amazing speech by tony montana and scarface where he talks about the corruption of society it was partly inspired by your own speech on the golden globes with share of the film people he liked said no you can't go that far you can't talk like that my anger changed from there because i thought hollywood was hypocritical about see at that time in the 1970 s. there was a lot of cop shows we shows on the air they were very popular successful and they

were very simplistic the drugs were bad cops were good people were going to jail and i was protesting announces that there were a lot of those producers were in the room they were making money off this american television has prospered on the idea of fun foresight years about the media about criminals and differences it resulted ultimately in the clinton white house and the crime bill that's put $2000000.00 people behind bars most of them not most of them but a significant amount or a black joe joe biden of course joe biden being the leading democratic contender for president proud perhaps of his mass incarceration record. joe biden goes along with the with the crowd he is thinking is not original in this regard. even bill clinton did so i mean and hillary clinton they created a lot of problems but that's another story but my anger was based on the hypocrisy

and tony montana suggested that you know drugs in america has the biggest appetite for drugs you know what because i think where there's a spiritual spiritual shallowness about america creates that need for drugs and i'm a film i felt victim to it too and not to be a hypocrite and it was. definitely i i had my problems with it my ups and downs with it including cocaine after midnight express and winning the oscar i made the hand which i think is an interesting film to watch it's with michael caine who was excellent in the film but it didn't succeed the box in france and i was i allowed myself to be shamed by. fell into fell into my bed period there that's it says. scarface or sentimental longer because i don't know whether there's any truth in it that some prints of it that are released don't have the female castro bit at the beginning and some people try to appropriate it you talk a bit about how well again you nearly lost your life in research for or for

scarface but how in allowed you in a way to do salvador because some people saw it as a you as a person who understood violence and others especially in miami saw you as a as an apologist for female castro because it was a film about the impossibility of the american dream arguably. yes. yes scarface was a was a take a satire almost on the american materialism that was prevalent at the time tony montana comes to this country and he is a free man you know that's the way he's a gangster but he's a free man and for that reason i think he was a admired and appreciated by a certain class of people. when the film 1st came out there white or it was either you know beat or whatever you want to call it did not like that show not reviewing well the crowd that came in new york city where i was there were as black puerto

rican latino and white drug or white druggies i'd say you know that was the initial audience for the show it only grew through time. because it's the dialogue stood out because now 2 cheaters performance stood out and that and brian de palma made a really wonderful film grander like a grand opera you were saying you know no i couldn't take it off the route that i was in love with violence that i and i argued back in the book you know that i was exploiting violence in midnight express and in scar face and this and that kind of the barber conan the barbarian era the dragon i understand and i write about that i wouldn't i didn't direct the films but i really put on paper real violence in my head i mean i have seen a lot of violence at that time in good and in other merchant marine too and i was trying to and in the prison i tried to reflect the real life that i saw i just couldn't as they were there were scenes and you mentioned i mean for those in the

know tell you a fascination in washington d.c. of the high end as ambassador in washington some are smuggled in to scarface how is it that i wouldn't have any way a person voted reagan would you dead didn't know what was going on in central america and then end up creating salvador are going to be one of the greatest films about u.s. intervention in the western hemisphere. when i research star thing in 1903 i did not i did not go i did not know central america because it the connection was from colombia to miami so it was not about politics for me at that point i did throw in because i had a political bone in my body the end emerge from 76 the chilean. ambassador it was a very outspoken critic of the of the regime in chile which was fascist eat was boned and killed in a car 3 blocks from the white house or something it was outrageous so in my mind i

made i combine that with tony much and it being the it was supposed to kill him but doesn't kill him because tony has a conscience in the end about family and so it becomes an involved story the message didn't get out and it wasn't understood so what i'm saying is when i did i dropped out of the business essentially after 980 i was you know i was dead no war i was just a screenwriter living in a broader in new york so i wanted to get a make a movie out in one necessary deal with hollywood i wanted to write make this movie salvador and it was based on now i had gone to salvador with richard boyle who was a great journalist but an oddball journalist to oh it was intro to countries he'd been in lebanon and in ireland he'd been everywhere nicaragua salvador and he had a story in salvador with a woman and it was a fascinating thread for the movie he took me down there i saw enormous amount of corruption i saw a pathetic situation is central america where all the reformers teachers the unions

were being busted were being oppressed they were the ruling class was old aristocratic families owning all and you're talking about the eighty's and you know this news coming from ecuador from bolivia the whole people had to mars johnson he recognizes in venezuela. maybe they haven't seen your film that film salvador has anything changed since those days you frank. i'm not up to date but it seems not it seems that who is in worse shape and said i think what hillary clinton did the intervention was a disaster we why does america keep intervening in the wrong for the wrong side in all these countries is a very good question for history will be we will be held to account but going back to the set the salvador story we got there still me i mean i got into the fascist party headquarters were in a major bomb who it was responsible i believe for the murder of our tradition. i go

almost to meet him i was supposed to meet him but something happened but they gave me their cooperation because they love scarface in other words i was getting the cooperation of the desk clients because they looked scarface for having balls and being what they thought was a fascist europol mr nel stop us after the break more from all of us stone on intellectual neoliberalism an alleged attempt by henry kissinger to stop platoon from ever being made and why his next project returns to the j.f.k. assassination hola some more coming up in part 2 of going underground. there is all such thing as money and there is no inflation and there is not deflate and the only thing there is to think about are interest rates and interest rate a part of the value they feel how money is the pork in relation to gold and that you can keep interest rates near 0 so that if you are a white guy like jacob on wall street your cost of borrowing is 0 if you're

a black guy living in the ghetto your cost of borrowing is 2000 percent interest rate apartheid and it's practiced right here in america and all over the world they get no a high interest rates if you know what borrowing money to 0 percent is right you live in the ghetto and that's a fact. in the troubled 19 seventies a group of killers rampage through time. of northern ireland that was coordinated loyalist attacks protect the only catholic population in belfast tens of thousands were forced to flee their homes come up with strike and put these attacks was that the r.u.c. the police actually took part in the attacks so instead of preventing it they were active participants and the burning of full streets in belfast at the time more than a 100 innocent civilians were murdered as the review can seniors and we found out more i was surprised about the extent and its occurrence which the collusion was involved in some of those cases the killers would later be named the gang i think

it went to the very very top i think it is. the water where politicians you thought was going on and gave the go ahead. welcome back you're watching going underground lockdown edition i'm still here with all of a stone discussing his memoir chasing light i mean anyone thinks it's easy making movies this book isn't off of them because it clearly shows it isn't but how how seriously should we take the accusation that the military industrial complex interferes with the distribution of movies as you seem to allege you don't going to very much detail but you talk about kissinger there in the shadows henry kissinger xander hey i mean they actually acted to interfere with you know they don't really think they did because well it's

a 2 to one story i'm in the i'm in about the end of my career so to speak and one of the emmy awards so what i'm 30 in my thirty's at 3839 they take everything on it wal-mart resources and it was a mint sets out to make this movie for no money now this is very difficult because there are 93 speaking parts i mean 2 countries the us. takes or so. charges murders assassinations civil riots i'm sure to include everything that $3000000.00 budget and i keep it in started that started $300000.00 budget it would have been a disaster for me it would be wiped out thank god it was an englishman who came in it was john daly with him do you read salvador and put 2 and he asked me literally which film do you want to do 1st of all or he was even a boxing promoter at the alley fight in the congo no american studio would touch the show either as a script to produce or as

a distribution company of john put up all the money nobody would do it this is disgusting to seize on the studio to which all the studios would say well we were an interest in the film an artistic merit had you know i've never tell anyone not just it's a past but this you know if you think about it politically this is a film with revolutionary sympathies which was totally against i guess the american dream real revolutionary sympathies where the west wing were the heroes of the film . and nobody would touch it it was a painful experience painful i can't tell you they turned off the projector in the middle of the film it was too violent too sexy too everything the film only got out because john stuck with john's company distributed and not not to great success or anything but he also at the same time said oliver go to the philippines make for 2 weeks he had that amount of confidence in me i went to the philippines on the back of salvador and i made this low budget movie little bit more money with the best of my ability to get it for $56000000.00 as opposed to 3 and nobody expected anything

and it was i didn't i was happy to make it but you know there's something very disturbing in this book when you talk about salvador the reception when you say a 1000 or didn't make him care this side of the. barn and i think one for thurman as you say a creeping intellectual neoliberalism in the way in the 1980s i thought a sense. or as identity politics drew an idea of what what constitutes politics just explain that a little because of course that debate is here about council culture and all the rest of it and that it isn't the car culture of george orwell that infin spied here but there's something else going on that the violence and so on get confused and somehow you know you may mean we saw jonathan racist even though what you're saying is actually anti imperialist well mixed as frequent roselles and i was a traitor to my class. the idea here is this is

a speculation i was making in the book about europe changing because the old europe that i knew from charles de gaulle grew up a lot of the time in france it was much more depend if they were separate countries they were not into a common market to go it was very apparent that and tough with america he threw the he exited nato as you remember so when he escaped along and meter or was a socialist you could feel i feel that there was. when reagan came into office in america that was a breakpoint that was a beginning of a reaction to the liberalism so-called of jimmy carter etc and john kennedy and reagan took it back to a worship of the market in any cost get rid of the unions get rid of regulation same as trump kind of thing and free up the whole thing it would do better business and everybody be happy well it's a nice idea and to some degree my father of course believe that too but not to the point of reagan my father you mentioned him earlier did believe in

a regulated capitalism and he would not have approved of this breakout that happened with reagan in fact he called reagan a dope and my father started the changes and as a result even and i said our man and now he thought reagan was miss and was brain back the cold war when there is no need to bring back the cold war it once said you know what difference does it make who does who how many arms you have when you're in a soviet when a soviet nuclear sub can be off long island with one you know and do so much damage to our country it just doesn't make sense to build keep building up his arms surplus to tune was also had many problems on its way to be made daily said my ass but it almost been made by another producer $983.00 and it was with there at that point the producer was putting up his own money $3000000.00 to make the movie and all that's that's not a lot for platoon and the distributor his deal was with m.g.m. and on the board of m.g.m. was enrique center and alexander haig i do i believe that because either they were

consulted or not but whatever happened the distributor said no to the film and this was outrageous because he was making films like blue velvet with which is very risky all kinds of other films were being made that time with the video revolution . i film was thrown out so i had only you have to realize rambo was being made. chuck norris missing in action we were refighting the vietnam war going back to save our p.o.w.'s that was a big issue back which is i think totally misplaced and that the american people did not really get a true picture of yeah it was like the idea was we could have won the war if we really wanted we had our head inside my back our back like like hitler said about the germans in world war one was the same. me i was living in a the night it but night it society communication was not possible they would even release life so that's how desperate i was that's why john daly is

a dedicated the book to turn down that he's he's an english lower class guy who says you know we're going to do what we do and i think we need that spirit really need it especially now when no one's going to do anything with any guts because they don't want to see. the media in this country which is doing the government's work for them. while holocaust jamie helped to put on a better lucina for marcus on lost to ampara their list so many different ties between you i would say and they have and the left wing european filmmaking on it didn't really understand you perhaps when it came to top gun he wanted you to direct top gun is a term no no yes not directed to write to write it in 1903 you know that you want to be to i couldn't do it i had gone i wrote for the 4th of july and put to it that point and i was in run kopeks corner i had made a film but it was no way i was going to do top gun i was heartbroken because it was a lot of money i think in the book when you worked with robert bolt famous from

arthur amy i don't have aagot and i tell you in this book how terrorism can be used by the state to change the minds of people within within a. fate i don't know whether that's premonition of snowden later on what impact did that bolt have on your thinking when it came to most minority i spent it was sold to his company or a company was partnered he brought me to it they brought me to los angeles and i met with robert robert love my treatment my treatment was based on a story i'd heard back there in 7374 of the patty hearst kidnapping that the people which in the person who led the gang that kidnapped many years donald. to freeze i believe was the name was a black man but it i'd heard the story that he'd been in the f.b.i. informant and i went with the idea that he was a provocateur one of those people and it's this is common in america where you find

an under cover agent working to create. still chaos for example like kent state there was always this rumor it's been strongly supported that there was the 1st shots were fired by an undercover f.b.i. guy who worked with him he may not have been an f.b.i. agent but he was certainly associated with these stories about so that's when you have to be careful when you have these chaos situations is it's very much in the interest of the state to start chaos to start fires to start this concept of destruction because it brings the wrath of the public on the demonstrators and before you know it the government can do what they want with the dimeter is going on and to some degree in america right and so you understand the rabbit will pick up on it right away he was a dedicated much more socialist than i was and then the cover of never actually came out as i for as far as i and found i should just say by the way if any one thing in portland is full of national provocative though hey we're having an

inquiry into just what he went talking about by the now you know he has so decide who have been there twice and you see it in the book a funny thing one comes up and some money and then here all ready to go and then stopped at the last minute a couple of times it broke my heart i mean each time i can't tell you you know you got to have a strong resolution to stay in this business you have to suffer or you take the pain because it hurts and even if you succeed and you make a film and then it gets burned at the box office you you're going to have hard fashions change all the time this is popular as the popular and it's in the long run what matters i love watching movies i watch old movies a lot because they last i like movies and last i love the long range the long picture but that's not economically a viewpoint the. most producers have because they're going to make money in the short run so it's a tough business i've run into a lot more heartbreaks but i was steeled for it i was disciplined by the early years and that's why i ended book at 40 i said this dream was real honest and i

appreciated it very much because i knew this i knew the last side of it the rest is a hell of a story as you know it's a lot of other things happen i know nearly a threesome between gore and allen make jagger and you you the fan are about all 3 lisa documentary on j.f.k. most people new generations and they is concerned i'm not sure but it is it is your contention that based on evidence the cia willing to the assassination of john f. kennedy. pretty a lot of evidence when we get into it it's a 4 hour documentary it's a legacy piece i don't care if the young generation doesn't care they should care because it was the beginning of a period in american history when the intelligence agencies essentially grown brag grasp the reins of government and if you look behind the scenes ever since the intelligence agencies have a lot to do with what happened in a look at their role in the in vietnam only i mean all the misinformation all

allies are to vietnam come from them and also in iraq twice afghanistan there's no end to what they're going to mess is they get us into syria certainly and libya doris goes on and on you know it's getting worse when i 1st talked to you years ago i thought it would get better and i can't believe it's getting worse or hasn't caught why has it got better because obviously don trump of elected on a so-called and hand to mention is taking if he's pulling troops out of germany not that he did exactly that war in france and anything like that or any recent like it was for that but i was dead wrong he can't do anything about it because it's a system as mr putin says documentary said the american president they come they go we've seen eating 5 of them now or for them 5 he said. it doesn't make a difference we have to pollinate russia has a policy what we have in america is a changing spectrum of personalities and we demonize our enemies which is not

a policy chavez is horrible castro is horrible putin is horrible we whoever and now jeeping is the next villain you know whoever the villain of the days is pure or well what's important is the military industrial complex must go on must be budgeted and anything besides that is unimportant including the welfare of the american people that therefore want to your favorite shows of the last season will be back for years he's going to have an affair feel like a show you don't miss an interview and join the other guy by falling off a cliff instagram and sound cloud saying. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to get a feel of the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see of that.

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in the troubled 19 seventies a group of killers rampage through parts of northern ireland that was coordinated loyalist attacks particularly on the population of belfast tens of photos and support forced to flee their homes and what was striking to put these attacks was a p.r. you see the police actually took part in the attacks so instead of presenting they were active participants in the burning of coal streets in belfast at the take more than a 100 innocent civilians were murdered as the review can seniors and we found out more i was surprised about the extent and its occurrence which the solution was involved in some of those cases the killers would later be named into the now we're getting i think it went to the very very top i think it is for all the water where all the taste and you walk on and give the go ahead.

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