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coming on a stand simply for chasing the light to your new memoir tell me 1st of all why that phrase chasing the light m.p.'s that means so much in so many different ways so important to your life it's good to be back and sure it's been a while. i don't know why you said in a sense of we did i hope it stays about chasing the world. it's called chasing life because. for the simple reason that in the movies the last get in that last shot sometimes is that is death life or death for a film and for me i've been running after that light when when the sun sets in the afternoon 'd late afternoon or early evening you don't have any more like to shoot or you have to go to artificial light which is no good for me so i'm always running to get there west let's say it's 4 o'clock 6 o'clock in the afternoon in the latest fall in i have 3 shots i want to get to finish the scene if i don't get them i

can't i have to rethink the scene quickly it puts me under maximum pressure the kind of movies i mean there shots were low budget most of them were pretty tight on the budgets always so i didn't have a lot of days i had to move fast it was the opposite of stanley kubrick if you want you mentioned life and death because in this book it's very apparent that after painting this amazing the romantic picture of your parents and their meeting in the shadow of world war 2. you literally seem to be almost suicidal in your in his. for it too far to say for death of the me rejected for an all to enlist i explained that in detail it was very painful for me i hadn't i had lived a magical life for 15 years in new york and in france my mother was french my father was a soldier colonel in world war 2 in marriage it was a beautiful but here they never belonged together they were. i'm the product of

that it's a contradictory relationship between 2 people that has haunted my whole life and by writing the book i understood myself better has been torn between these 2 and i'm the child of that divorce and i try to write about what a child of divorce is like he sees the world in a different way he sees the world as a lie i mean what people are saying about themselves is often a lie as we know from governments as well so i grew into a. young man who was very troubled and you have to admit adolescents are not in those days were not they didn't give them space we were not considered full and also i don't think it was attention was paid to the to the problems of adolescence they continue to this day in america we have a record suicide rate for young people of 1920. record and may countries i gather that this is a growing problem because there's a lack of spiritual life that's what took me to this place of fatalism and i said i

want to go to war i want to see what it's like at the bottom i don't want any favors and if the gods my destiny. were intended for me to take me they would take me i would test myself against them and i did i didn't complain when i was there i got wounded twice and i did a lot of fighting i saw a lot of combat. when i brought it on myself i wasn't whining about it i felt like i was lucky i survived and if you saw platoon your over the end of it i found a meaning to my life in that war which is to say i really go on and teach what i know to others good teach goodness and teach experience teach the good things of life that i can garner that i can turn on and that's what i've done to the best of my ability one thing i've done which makes me very proud it's like i documented the war before you people knew argue about vietnam through other sources and when it

came to films and pictures it was the pain of the american saying in the in the deer hunter but you do say that he killed people in vietnam maybe stop the rape of demi's girls but you came back knowing the lie i just want to skip a lot on a bed to midnight express because the prison industrial complex is something we talk a lot about here i'm going underground fact we say often that the united states imprisons per capita more people than stalin or mao why was midnight express not just about what happens in turkey if if mr o. knew what happens to be watching to try to make it or unsuccessfully at the turn but when i wrote midnight express years later this was in 1970. i come back from vietnam in 68 late 68 i had been thrown in jail myself for federal smuggling in san diego california and right after i came out of vietnam i was carrying no some marijuana from from vietnam because it was good and i was smoking

it on a regular basis i learned about that over there. and i was busted with it and thrown it into federal slowly charged very serious but increase and i was with 5000 young people blacks spanish panic americans and a few white people mostly old drug crimes nonviolent but they were being severely don't with at that time it was the beginning the very beginning of the war on drugs nixon had just been elected he ended cleared that war yet but he was about to so we were the 1st wave that i could see the in the injustice of it these these kids most of them were coming from rough lives they didn't want to go to vietnam you know they they were boarded at the best of their ability but many of them were drafted the way that they were trying to make extra money on the side and that was the way to do it there was a system that i saw in america which and of course i was lucky because my father

got me out of jail with the with with money there was there was class there because yeah you came from a relatively wealthy new family meant your or your speech at the golden globes which you recount here which alas i guess is not on video. some people may don't know that the amazing speech by tony montana in scarface where he talks about the corruption of society it was partly inspired by your own speech on the goal who was with chair of the film people he liked said no you can't go there for you can't talk like that my anger changed from there because i thought hollywood was hypocritical about. see at that time in the 1970 s. there was a lot of cop shows we shows on the air they were very popular successful and they were very simplistic the drugs were bad cops were good people were going to jail and i was protesting announces them and there were a lot of those producers were in the room they were making money off this american

television has prospered on the idea of fun for sighted years about the media about criminals and danks and it resulted ultimately in the clinton white house and the crime bill that's put 2000000 people behind bars most of them not most of them but a significant amount or a black man joe joe biden of course joe biden being the leading democratic contender for president proud path of his mass incarceration record. joe biden goes along with it with the crowd he is thinking is not original in this regard. even bill clinton did so i mean and hillary clinton they created a lot of his problems but that's another story but my anger was based on the hypocrisy you know tony montana suggested that you know drugs in america has the biggest appetite for drugs you know why because i think where there's a spiritual spiritual shallowness about american or creates that need for drugs and

i film i felt victim to it too and not to be a hypocrite as i was. definitely i i had my problems with it i had my ups and downs with it including cocaine after midnight express and winning the oscar i made the hand which i think is an interesting film to watch it's with michael caine who was excellent in the film but it didn't succeed the box office and i was i allowed myself to be shamed by and fell into fell into my bed period there that's unfair to him at scarface or sentimental longer because i don't know whether there's any truth in it that some prince of antenna. please don't have the female castro bit at the beginning and some people try to appropriate it you talk a bit about how well again you nearly lost your life in research for her scarface but how in allowed you in a way to do salvatore because some people saw him as an you as a person who understood violence and others especially in miami saw you as

a as an apologist for female castro because it was a film about the impossibility of the american dream arguably yes. yes scarface it was it was a take a satire almost on the american materialism that was prevalent at the time tony montana comes to this country and he is a free man you know that's the way he's a gangster but he's a free man and for that reason i think he was a admired and appreciated by a certain class of people. when the film 1st came out the white were it was either you meet or whatever you want to call it did not like that you did not review it well the crowd that came in new york city where i was there were just black puerto rican latino and white drug addict or white druggies i'd say you know that was the initial audience for the show it only grew through time. because it's the dialogue stood out because now 2 cheaters performance stood out and that and brian de palma

made it really wonderful still grander like a grand opera you were saying you know no i couldn't get off the route that i was in love with violence that i and i argued back in the book you know that i was exploiting violence in midnight express and in scarface and this is kind of the barber conan the barbarian era the dragon i understand and i write about that i wouldn't i didn't direct the films but i really put on paper. real violence in my i mean i have seen a lot of. that. and you know the merchant marine too and i was trying to in the prison i tried to reflect the real life that i saw i just don't know as they were there were scenes and you mentioned i mean for those in the know tell you a assassination in washington d.c. of the of i end as ambassador in washington some are smuggled in to scarface how is it that i was in there anyway a person who voted reagan would you did didn't know what was going on in central

america and then end up creating salvador arguably one of the greatest films about u.s. intervention in the western hemisphere. when i researched scarface in 1903 i did not i did not go i did not know central america because it the connection was from colombia to miami so it was not about politics for me at that point i did throw in because i had a political bone in my body the end emerge from 76 the chilean. ambassador it was a very outspoken critic of the of the regime in chile which was fascist eat was bombed and killed in a car 3 blocks from the white house or something it was outrageous so in my mind i made i combined that with tony much and it being the it was supposed to kill him but doesn't kill him because tony has a conscience in the end about family and so it becomes an involved story the message didn't get out and it wasn't understood so what i'm saying is when i did i

dropped out of the business essentially after 980 i was you know i was dead no war i was just a screenwriter living in a broader in new york so i wanted to get a make a movie and in one necessary deal with hollywood i wanted to write make this movie salvatore and it was based on now i had gone to salvador with richard boyle who was a great journalist but an oddball journalist to oh it was intro to countries he'd been in lebanon and in ireland he'd been everywhere nicaragua salvador and he had a story in salvador with a woman and it was a fascinating thread for the movie he took me down there i saw enormous amount of corruption i saw a pathetic situation is central america where all the reformers teachers the unions were being busted were being oppressed they were the ruling class was old aristocratic families owning all and you're talking about the eighty's and you know there's news coming from ecuador from bolivia the whole people had to mars johnson

he recognizes in venezuela. maybe they haven't seen your film that film salvador has anything changed since those days you think. i'm not up to date but it seems not it seems that home birth is in worse shape and sent and i think what hillary clinton did the intervention was a disaster we why does america keep. you know the wrong for the wrong side all these countries is a very good question for history will be we will be told to each other. but going back to the say the salvador story we got there still me i mean i got into the fascist party headquarters were in a major bomb who it was responsible i believe for the murder of our tradition. i go almost to meet him i was supposed to meet him but something happened but they gave me their cooperation because they love scarface in other words i was getting the cooperation of the desk once because they look at scarface for having balls and

being what they thought was a fascist europol mr noel stopped us after the break more from all of us stone on intellectual neoliberalism an alleged attempt by henry kissinger to stop platoon from ever being made and why his next project returns to the j.f.k. assassination polish them all coming up in part 2 of going on the ground. there is no such thing as money and there is no inflation and there is not deflation and the only thing there is to think about are interest rates and interest rate a part of the value they feel money is a poor girlishly goal in that you can keep interest rates near 0 so that if you are a white guy like on wall street your cost of borrowing is 0 if you're a black guy living in the ghetto your cost of borrowing is 2000 percent it's called interest rate apartheid and it's practiced right here in america and all over the

world they get no a high interest rates if you don't mark borrowing money to 0 percent of you living in the ghetto and that's a fact. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see you then. welcome back you're watching going underground lockdown edition i'm still here with oliver stone discussing his memoir chasing the light i mean if anyone thinks it's easy making movies this work isn't off of them because he can hear his and but how how seriously should we take the accusation that the military industrial complex interferes with the distribution of movies as you seem to allege you don't going to very much detail but you talk about kissinger there in the shadows henry kissinger

xander hey i mean they actually acted to interfere with me that i think they did because well it's a 2 term story i'm in the i'm in a bad moment the end of my career so to speak i want to be can you ward so what i'm 30 in my thirty's at 3839 they take everything i had all my resources and i plunge them into south to make this movie. now this is very difficult because there are 93 speaking parts i mean 2 countries the u.s. samurai have tanks or starches murders assassinations civil riots i'm shy to include everything that 3000000 dollar budget and i keep it in started that started $300000.00 budget it would have been a disaster for me it would wiped out thank god it was an englishman who came in it was john daly with him do you read salvador and put 2 and he asked me literally which film do you want to do 1st of all or he was even a boxing promoter at the alley fight in the congo no american studio would touch

the show either as a script to produce or as a distribution company of john put up all the money nobody would do it this is disgusting 2 things all the studios to which all the studios would say well we were an interest in the film an artistic merit had you know i've never tell anyone not just it's a past but this you know if you think about it politically this is a film with revolutionary sympathies which was totally against i guess the american grit real rip. lucian except it's where the west wing were the heroes of the film. nobody would touch it was a crane to experience painful i can't tell you it turned off the projector in the middle of the film it was too violent too sexy too everything the film only got out because john stuck with john's company distributed and not not to great success or anything but he also at the same time said all of it go to the philippines make it 2 he had that amount of confidence in me i went to the philippines on the back of

salvador and i made this low budget movie little bit more money with the best of my ability to get it for $56000000.00 as opposed to st. nobody expected anything it was i didn't i was happy to make it but you know there's something very disturbing in this book when you talk about salvatore's reception when you say salvador didn't make it to care this side of the this this side of the barn and i think one for serving as you say a creeping intellectual neo liberalism in the in the 1980s a sort of sense or as identity politics drew an idea of what what constitutes politics just explain that a little because of course that debate is here about council culture and all the rest of it and that it isn't the car culture of george orwell that didn't inspire you but there's something else going on that the violence and so on get confused and somehow you mean we saw jonathan racist even though what you're saying is actually on team perry last. well and as franklin roosevelt said i i was

a traitor to my class. the idea here is this is a speculation i was making in the book about europe changing because the old europe that i knew from charles de gaulle time grew up a lot of the time in france it was much more independent they were separate countries they were not into a common market de gaulle was very independent and tough with america he through he exited nato if you remember so when 'd he came along and neither all was a socialist but you could feel i felt that there was. when reagan came into office in america that was a breakpoint that was a beginning of a reaction to the liberalism a so-called jimmy carter etc and john kennedy and reagan took it back to a worship of the market in any cost get rid of the unions get rid of regulation same restaurant kind of thing and free up the whole thing it would do better business and everybody be happy well it's

a nice idea and to some degree my father of course believe that too but not to the point of reagan my father you mentioned him earlier did believe in a regulated capitalism and he would not have approved of this breakout that happened with reagan in fact he called reagan a dope and my father started the changes and as a result even and i said our man and now he thought reagan was miss and was green back the cold war when there was no need to bring back the cold war it once said you know what difference does it make who got who how many arms you have when you're in a soviet when a soviet nuclear sub can be off long island with one you know and do so much damage to our country it's just it doesn't make sense to build keep building up his arms surplus to tune was also had many problems on its way to be made daily said my ass but it almost been made by another producer $983.00 and it was with there at that point the producer was putting up his own money $3000000.00 to make the movie and all that's that's not a lot for platoon and the distributor his deal was with m.g.m.

and on the board of m.g.m. was henry kissinger and alexander haig i do i believe that because either they were consulted or not but whatever happened the distributor said no to the film and this was outrageous because he was making films like blue velvet with which is very risky all kinds of other films were being made that time with the video revolution . i film was thrown out so i had only you have to realize rambo was being made. chuck norris missing in action we were refighting the vietnam war going back to save our p.o.w.'s that was a big issue back which is i think totally misplaced and that the american people did not really get a true picture of yeah it was like the idea was we could have won the war if we really wanted we had our head inside my back our back like like hitler said about the germans in world war one was the same. me i was living in a benighted but knighted society communication was not possible they would even

release life so that's how desperate i was that's why john daly is dedicated the book to john down that it he's he's an english lower class guy who says you know we're going to do what we do and i think we need that spirit really need it especially now when no one's going to do anything with any guts because they don't want to see. the media in this country which is doing the government's work for them. because jamie helped to put on a better lucina for marcus on lost to ampara their list so many different ties between you i would say and they have and the left wing european filmmaking one he didn't really understand you perhaps when it came to top gun he wanted you to direct top gun is a term no oh yes not directed to write to write it in 1903 you know that you want to be to i couldn't do it i had gone i wrote bore the 4th of july and put to that point and i was in ron kopeks corner i had made

a film and it was no way i was going to do top gun i was heartbroken because it was a lot of money i think in the book you worked also with robert bolt famous from arthur amy i don't have aagot and he tells you in this book how terrorism can be used by the state to change the minds of people within within a. fate i don't know whether that's premonition of snowden later on when impact and bolt have on he or thinking when it came to my hands murray i spent it was sold to his company or a company was partnered he brought me to it they brought me to los angeles and i met with robert robert love my treatment my treatment was based on a story i'd heard back there in 7374 of the patty hearst kidnapping that the people which in the person who led the gang that kidnapped many years donald. to freeze i believe was the name was a black man but it i'd heard the story that he'd been in the f.b.i.

informant and i went with the idea that he was a provocateur one of those people and that's this is common in america where you find an under cover agent working to create. still chaos for example like kent state there was always this rumor it's been strongly supported that there was the 1st shots were fired by an undercover f.b.i. guy who worked with him he may not have been an f.b.i. agent but he was certainly associated with the stories about so that's when you have to be careful when you have these chaos situations is it's very much in the interest of the state to start chaos to start fires to start this concept of destruction because it brings the wrath of the public on the demonstrators and before you know it the government can do what they want would be to madrid he's going on and to some degree in america right and so you understand the robert will pick up on it right away he was a dedicated much more socialist than i was and the cover of never actually came out

as i for as far as i and found i should just say by the way if any one thing in portland is full of rational provocative though hey we're having an inquiry into just what he meant talking about by the now you know he had sonia thought who haven't had twice and you see it in the book a funny thing one comes up and some money and then here already her and then stopped at the last minute a couple of times it broke my heart i mean each time i can't tell you you know you've got to have a strong resolution to stay in this business you have to suffer or you take the pain because it hurts and even if you succeed and you make a film and then it gets burned at the box office you you're going to have a heart fashions change all the time this is popular that's the popular and it's in the long run what matters i love watching movies i watch old movies a lot because they last i like movies and last and i love the long range the long picture but that's not economically a viewpoint the. most producers have because they're going to make money in the short run so it's a tough business i've run into

a lot more heartbreaks but i was steeled for it i was disciplined by the early years and that's why i ended book at 40 i said this dream was realized and i appreciated it very much because i knew this i knew the last side of it the rest is a hell of a story as you know it's a lot of other things happen i know nearly a 3 some between gore and alan make jagger and you you the fan are about all 3 lisa documentary on j.f.k. most people new generations of is concerned i'm not sure but it is it is your contention that based on evidence the cia willing to the assassination of john f. kennedy. pretty a lot of evidence when we get into it it's a 4 hour documentary it's a legacy piece i don't care if the young generation doesn't care they should care because it was the beginning of a period in american history when the intelligence agencies essentially grown brag grasp the reins of government and if you look behind the scenes ever since the intelligence agencies have a lot to do with what happened in

a look at their role in the in vietnam only i mean all the misinformation all allies on a vietnam come from them and also in iraq twice afghanistan there's no end to what they're going to mess is they get us into syria certainly and libya doris goes on and on you know it's getting worse when i 1st talked to you years ago i thought it would get better and i can't believe it's getting worse or hasn't caught why has it got better because obviously doll jumpers elected on a so-called and hand to mention effective he's pulling troops out of germany not that he didn't have war in france and anything like that or any recent like it was for that but i was dead wrong he can't do anything about it because it's a system as mr putin says documentary said the american president they come they go we've seen eating 5 of them out or for them 5 he said. it doesn't make

a difference we have to pollinate russia has a policy what we have in america is a changing spectrum of personalities and we demonize our enemies which is not a policy chavez is horrible castro is horrible putin is horrible with whoever and now is he shipping is the next villain you know whoever the villain of the day is is pure or well what's important is the military industrial complex must go on must be budgeted and anything besides that is unimportant including the welfare of the american people that therefore want to your favorite shows of the last season will be back for a new season on september the 5th until the rock show you don't miss an interview and join the other guy by following up with an instagram and sound cloud saying. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy

confrontation let it be an arms race.