join me every thursday on the alex salmond short and i'll be speaking to guests of the world of politics sport i'm sure business i'll see you then. it's a week since congress was once again triggered in the united states when police shot a black man in the back in the city of houston it also provides free election opportunity for both democrats and republicans. also that we've just gotten back from and fends off claims that poisoned prominent opposition activist alexei navalny citing a limited medical evidence on the facts rather than doctors found no trace of toxins in your system. and the year after teenager harry dunn was killed in a road accident in the u.k. the campaign continues to get his alleged killer to face justice using u.s.

diplomats wife who fled the country. those are your headlines this hour stay with us enough for going on the ground up next we'll be taking over to god you through the morning headlines next hour join us again. i have after a time when you're watching going underground the team and i will be back with a brand new season starting september the 5th but until then we'll be showing you some of your favorite shows of this past star studded season stay safe. a very special edition when we're joined by one of the great philosophers of our time professor cornell west he joins me now from princeton in new jersey cornell thanks so much for coming on last time i spoke to earlier in the week there was

a hurricane shades of climate change then we had the catastrophe in beirut i mean war what 1st of all your out here no indeed indeed the 1st i just was. the last new force for good. deed in deep thoughts when you heard about what happened in the middle east in beirut where normally you often spoken about war crimes this it's open to question what happened but what if what if you thought about those terrible images well let me look once again you trigger but just. placed in the middle east people not really wanting to tell the truth about the reasons of power and are in the middle east and we're going to find out you know who's responsible but i just i just. am of the opinion that.

we got beat briana suggested about the rule of the u.s. and. it should never cool ordination of the israeli defense forces and the u.s. army but we shall see we shall see it's also of course important week because it's the 75th anniversary of the united states nuclear attack on hiroshima i've got to say angela davis on this show endorsed endorsed joe biden in november norm chomsky is endorsed joe biden do you think that joe biden will save us from another nuclear conflagration as we commemorate the dead of hiroshima were you do my duty to the world at the ju-ju you sit at my own government because. we're all of course now we've got a military units round we're russia and china together have 30. 30 we've got $4800.00 military units in the whole world including the united states are they more senior legacy is one in which we have to take very seriously the relation

between the poverty and all the militarism at home and abroad the unbelievable a materialist i'm a spiritual decay indium cards we're talking about and then of course the white supremacy not just the black beat but indigenous people brown people arabs muslims jews per iranians and so forth so that just and loudest as angela i am quite had practices coalition i could see bowling for biden in a swing state but i can never get divorced an architect of the largest mass incarceration system in the modern world that will target poor people disproportionate black and brown poor people or was or bragged about being part of the architecture of the invasion occupation are iraqis over after me and precious iraqis feel on it it us and made an occupation not mumbling words. from anybody for the most part in the republican party yes there are some except bernie

sanders and racan do except barbara leak but for the most part not a moment were so i love. and i may have fact if the f.b.i. had a choice between a neil liberal disaster or a leo asked fast i would go to the older will disaster that so bite me it is the neoliberal disaster he's milt is mediocre he has a new liberal centrist and he tied to wall street he's tied to pentagon he's tied to militarism and he was very much responsible for what is jewish and all races prison system that was still coming to terms with in the killing fields on the killing fields of american get killed and barrio so that. where we're at on president moment brother we really aren't we what are the people. lomas uneasy in the history of the species to species itself to go under given that the logical catastrophe or nuclear catastrophe we've got is the leading levels of wealth

inequality that are out of control that rediff runny muck and then the levels of corrupt shun me i think for example oh the great dust is kids were built from underground all the sick man i'm a spiteful manama pleasant man out got liver disease america is a sick impact is a spiteful impact it's a most unpleasant and dark number one what human being on the inside we've got some movement on the inside we've got a magnificent courageous and visionary citizen on the inside but we are losing. we are losing we're resisting but we're still losing the greed the hatred wall street pentagon is they are in control of the empire and they are taking off and the sad thing is that rest of the world has to deal with some of the ugly consequences and effects but i'm not i'm not despair i'm not paralyzed but despair

but i'm very honest and candid about the dark of course your president donald trump would be the 1st to say that iraq was a mistake he would have said only the other day that one of the united states as great as mistakes was to be in the middle east he may not share your a ideas or the hedges of many about climate change but he's the one who's saying intervention has been wrong that foreign policy has been wrong and he even argues that mass incarceration is is a biden policy is an obama policy. for no president trump has facilitated even more intensely vicious treatment of the precious palestinians he is not just include when it's in yahoo needs yahoo being the reactionary ceria leaders in awful big to the core and has no feeling what so ever for precious ousting is here trucks are like white on rice like wet on war he also facilitate the kind the bishes treatment of our precious brothers sisters in yemen mediated through saudi

arabia mediated through the elites on account where you beat an accountable. prince a monarch and princes and so forth so that when he talks about is he got a critique of the united states in the middle east he's lying yonder states has blood on it and in saudi arabia and yemen has blood all it's an intel a beat in gaza and the west bank i don't know what he's talking about he's talking about with the united states should never have intervened no this is always already is offering those armies could not. this. is really me and saudi arabia without u.s. support without imperial support and when we invite we invite israeli ambassador we have ideas or any ambassador london on the program but at netanyahu would certainly refute any charge of violence except in self defense and britain which played $550.00 palestinians behaviors in one month. spare me we were born at night but not

last night but this is exactly what our way leads one on principle how what we're what gates to say could be a trip in italy i'll be it moti be it was a narrow in brazil be it the hungry or see the gangster is a show we're all moving toward real fascist rule and that's where our duty must be and of course truckers 'd are also oh that way he fastens well you mention saudi arabia britain together with the united states applies weapons that are used on yemen britain says it has a robust on selling policy and it's not responsible for a war crimes of any kind in yemen. sounds like another russian position i would period least don't want to take responsibility for the damage from well for their own savitri it's fascinating how the barry authorizes the devastation claim innocence that innocence itself was already

a crime before we get to the concrete crimes oh barbarity too often as a result of imperial activity be it britain france be it united states be russia be it china all empires and the look of the grand inquisitor dusty esky using that miracle and mystery and authority into magic rationalization mystification in order to justify tyrannical acts despotic acts anti-democratic acts that subordinate those last known call every day people and i'm a radical democrat or medical risk always star with the plague and predicament of the wretched of the earth the old who are priceless and precious but those who are viewed as disposable poor and working people all around the world of matter what color no matter what national identity we've gotta be internationals cross the border with blessed me with my roma brothers and sisters yesterday and my ballot

both houses of yesterday off not going to do it oh because of the power outage but we have to have international solidarity in the name of will morality and spirituality that we will not just empathized be a solidarity with those who were against predatory capitalism we are against almost all be a trad phobia any form of white supremacy any form of promise supremacy in the form of patriarchy if i eat ideology or one of domination it loses sight of the precious humanity of each and every one of us and that's just not an aspect idealism that a way of being in the world that as a verb or even more than a virtue being an action being part of people's movements in order to push back the forces of evil without a form those forces take. he had to have to have skin characters tend to have something epiphany but the people that got trump elected.

apparently working class people who'd lost out because of globalization how do you see all of those different identities of politics l g b g q rights race how do they work with clus because surely to some people the reason trump could win is precisely because of the working class traditionally that base from which progressive politics is a much know where you're writing of course those is good politics have to be called into question that's it so i can say insight into his literary genius that we're talking about but at the same time you're right that it was working class folk who were misled by truck because the working class was so devastated under the neo liberal rule of obama that did he deliver full austria he delivered. it not the liberal working people working people were looking for alternatives are left green party you know it was part of and supported our left in america is to we can treat

so when we look for an alternative the choice between on the one hand neo liberal wing of the ruling class and the or fast wing it really exists on the truck acted as if he was populist but it's very clear he tied big money he tied it big military it will scapegoat the most vulnerable in terms of mexicans muslims red indians black hole and gays live in a trance and he is able to connect with enough of the white working class 65 percent white men both at the drop 52 percent of white women who have a truck so you've got a ratio arc here you've got a racial trajectory just going off now we have magnificent white brothers sisters who are part of the black class method we have been in the white. part of serious struggle against white supremacy but they've got a lot of cousins and that causes easily misled by the straw man. and this is of course the challenge that plato saw in the republic he said show me a democracy 'd and i'll show you citizens who were shot through with the ruling

passion and ubiquitous ignorance now will result in the rise of a strongman to rise a tyrant a death played on the republic going all the way back to 360 some b.c. he had it in sight even though he was a great critic of democracy in a democracy because it killed mentors upward each he had an insight how do we get to the working class how do we get for fall so that they're not misled and marched off all consciousness so they're not channeling their existence in a way that reproduces their own no question reproduces their own domination we see this all around the world fascism very good at listening to the same thing it looked at the same thing frankel did the same thing these are new form the fascism of the present but so on are kind of checks well in terms of trying to ensure the misleading every day because they are separate meetings trumps all orders are

deeply suffering but it rather scapegoat the most vulnerable in terms of the degraded. black. lead means it and arabs and muslims and immigrants and mexicans rather than confront the most powerful president ls i'll just stop you have more from cornell west after this break. she stressed to make sure that the british and the bill a bunch up that he had almost to. stop the show so here she then the statistic to she's happy so i pushed. her to which she never happened and now look what you've seen in the states get

your car moment man or to share. what you thought of the show through my it's your bonus for to be who you. are mr ellsworth supporter until put them. all through this interview but you both to to it's a stupid actually a person to revoke or should. just let him speak. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy confrontation let it be an arms race in his own spearing dramatic development only personally i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time time to sit down and talk. welcome back i'm still with professor cornell west if we move up like this is

there's something wrong with the elites in your society i know you. talk about f. scott fitzgerald before do they read the great gatsby is a great tale of you make it in this world you're going to do well what is wrong with education in a country that is pretty used so many critiques that i guess echo what you've just been saying yeah i'm glad you brought this stuff is because the studio. i'm interested in right now younger. stood to spiritual decay in the more kuti of the ruling class not all but most he understood the substitute prosperity for magnanimity they had hardly any sense of more excellence and spiritual greatness is reduced down to things and possessions then come out of and it reminds me of the greatest figure for it was eugene o'neill and the iceman cometh the great as an american empire ever written for the state in what did he say what does it profit

a nation that game the old world and lose it so to its idolatry and which is obsessed with read power well status and spectacle with no moral or spiritual substance that is a moment for the american good it that's the home of the decline and fall of the american empire that's what eugene o'neill was talking about and eat and ask up is general very close on the same register and john the seen through the emptiness and but he has so much the american life in this obsession with the general pleasures and military power and status and the inability to have deepest level this is shakespearean this is. the suffer from the inability to cultivate the capacity to love the love less ness. no matter how much money

you have no matter what your status is if you can't learn how to receive love 2 given that those years in the battles your mother defined hail as those who suffer from the incapacity. and death of marching understood i come from an equal black family of 400 years in the united states but dishing out so much love john coltrane tony martin be love it martin luther king love who are just to be one to love in the need of love we have got rich oh yes we all got to be frank he loves life the whole lives with us hopefully available your on your website and i didn't even get out of here i know you know the people that have listened to coltrane the people that have read these works many of them are in the d.n.c. we know from wiki leaks how they tried to destroy bernie sanders campaign in 2016 and they didn't feel they didn't feel what they were doing was anything to do with fascism they thought it was to do with stopping fascism so they say i don't

understand this is right around this time because they try to sound as being the candidate what do you how do you characterize the d.n.c. has as a system in your politics what i mean it is in more trouble now is abandoned because their ears in fact tremendous critiques of the status and democratic party it looked as if after the november primary that bernie sanders and all of us to govern in turn or others that we were going to win we were really beginning to move in a way that we were headed toward the white house and then had the. yeah logical unit facilitated by obama with me we have rather all of them came together dropped out within a few days the black neo liberal leadership that is at the money in black leadership we do money and our tix came together and lo and behold

we were pushed out we were defeated but let me say this that establishment knows very much like republican party establishment was undercut by a truck that young people on the street the black clad madam who they understand not just the limitations of the neo liberal leadership no matter what color but they know that it cannot deliver look at what a pandemic right now it cannot deliver safety it cannot live protection cannot deliver education cannot deliver goods and services why because the in part in shambles when you have so much greek and corruption and indifference for the suffering with no public life no public health care no public. robust public interactions and we can't hardly have a public conversation what happens to a demography asleep i hear it as you know and maybe you call them apologists for empire they will point to the black race as the people of color in high places they

will talk about l.g.b. t.q. people in high places maybe there are even some indigenous peoples in high places in american politics the american so much life how dangerous is it that these people are installed there as a beacon to show that your view of america your view of the united states is fundamentally flawed because your country is a tale of progress. only good to know those is good wonderful crystal palace it went back they keep it won't do it back since edifice. salient and does wonderful shy is glass menagerie well what happens when it becomes more colorful with races same class are same imperial policies same levels of poverty same levels of decrepit education same levels of unemployment and underemployment same levels up an inability young assets to decent housing but it's because you've

got that now brown women at the top at the glass menagerie in the crystal palace all really now behave themselves into reproducing the same kind of deck it is the same kind of decay but now of course we. race relations same way looking looking better you don't measure the plight of black people all women are brown people by how their elites are doing you know the play in terms of what the prisons look like what the neighborhoods look like what their employment actually is what levels of health care they have but that's precisely the attempt of america to shift serious talk about the plight of poor folk to the. mobility of the net has to be radically called into question that is happening on the streets right now in the u.s. in pop. but but in the streets i mean what is different about these

uprisings since what in los angeles in $165.00 and before and after now we're seeing images of tear gas or federal troops in that new national guard it has to be sent. to your link of how black lives matter as a movement can in any way respond to what's going on if there are well if certain numbers of people are being shot dead in the streets or killed by security forces of the united states that alone frightened to go and demonstrate. well i mean with the public lynching of brother floyd jr you certainly are going to have waves of resistance the beautiful thing is that you have the whole colas coming together and making the connection between not just police power and police murder but between police power least murder wall street power wall street crimes and pentagon power and pentagon crimes once you make those connections and connect to that mom who can't make them up the mix may develop a could make the family look

a moment rabbi abraham joshua ash ash able to make. the greatest intellectual alone with no chomsky and been making for most of his intellectual life will once every day people begin to make those connections then we're on to something those can actually be made more now than they were before and yet every wave of resistance every wave of critique has its own distinct distaff and there is a certain kind of cycling is true. we have you know more people die with very much more black folk out we will more people die less people die here but now there's a city unsettled and some president that's a good son after george floyd was killed there were demonstrations all around the world in fact in in love around the world there were there were demonstrations again multi-racial into intersectional but london fall as washington on on foreign policy especially on apparently your biggest enemy china but for the white

house says what gives good gives the d.n.c. and they are and see the confidence of china as you said surrounded by bases the united states won't retaliate militarily to what it sees as provocations by nato in washington yeah i mean it is hard to say i mean it's hard to say you can imagine what the golden rule international issues looks like. 2 russia have troops in mexico and china you know to do with less about 30 seconds. when you have american troops around who are russians yet to be very honest you know in piles or in partner concern about their people are concerned about it territory after all just stuck to the domination where you can imagine what. one standard looks like in the same would be true with china where you when you eat when you begin to be provocative. then they're going to have different kind of responses i don't know

what response will be as the at the acts of provocation intensify it's hard to say but i mean right now we've got these 3 empires in the world china russia usa all 3 own form to decay domination all forms of dog and we have to be connected to radically democratic small d. forces to empower dissenting voices that are empowering working people that are in our way exemplary movements and by exemplary what i mean is leaders of integrity who willing to tell the truth and will more than likely have to give their lives because those who are committed to the struggle for the wretched of the earth are on the road to crucifixion that's the way the world is but their blood our blood fertilizes the next wave of resistance and critique that's what we learn from the

black move well i suppose there's one difference between beijing must go and washington that's the beijing in what moscow claim to comprehend the dangers of climate change whereas washington doesn't believe it would isabella what is the power of k. street while being on the things you've been talking about and on perhaps the most take this tensional crisis we have fossil fuel effective climate change. well i mean k. street in general generates legalized 2 bribery and normalized corruption within the halls of congress so the very house that is supposed to be the house of the people caters much more to the donor than the benefactors and it does free people themselves that's precisely why so many american citizens look at the system in the united states and say it cannot reform itself because the money is overwhelming

it's been colonized by the lobbyists who are already late to financial. us so that it makes it very difficult for those of us in the streets to feel as if we can actually have the kind of impact that we'd like but we do it because it's right because it's more and because it's just so when it comes to ecological disaster 'd in which the whole species the planet itself and you still have the greek short term thinking the up session with profit you could be yet to see just how ballbearing predatory capitalism is with the species and in regard to our present base present what a west thank you that's if you want to go favorite shows of the last season we'll be back for a new season on september the 5th amendment show you don't miss an interview and join the crowd michael duffy. it's a gram of sound they say. throughout

its history with the self-proclaimed islamic state terrorist group have recruited up to 30000 foreigners from all over the world to fight for the. sounds of russian citizens left their country to join the terrorists bringing wives and children with them. hundreds of children and widows were held captive or disappeared.