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the brand new season starting september the 5th but until then we'll be showing you some of your favorite shows of this past star studded season stay safe. a very special edition we're joined by one of the great philosophers of our time professor cornell west he joins me now from princeton in new jersey cornell thanks so much for coming on last time i spoke to earlier in the week there was a hurricane shades of climate change then we had the catastrophe in beirut i mean war what 1st of all your out here no indeed indeed the 1st i just want to salute you. the mention you force. the deep thoughts when you heard about what happened in the middle east in beirut where normally you often spoken about war crimes this it's open to question what happened but what if what if you thought about those terrible images well let me look once again you trigger but just. placed in the middle east people not really wanting to tell the
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truth about the reasons of power and enquire in the middle east and we're going to find out you know who's responsible but i just i just. am of the opinion that. we've got to be bring honest and candid about the rule of the u.s. and. it should never cool ordination of the israeli defense forces any u.s. army but we shall see we shall see it's also of course important week because it's the 75th anniversary of the united states nuclear attack on hiroshima i've got to say angela davis on this show endorsed endorsed joe biden in november norm chomsky is endorsed joe biden do you think that joe biden will save us from another nuclear conflagration as we commemorate the dead of hiroshima were you do my dear brother
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one of the ju-ju you sit mon government because. we're all of course now we've got it and military units round we're russia and china together have 30. 30 we've got $4800.00 military units in the whole world including the united states are they more senior legacy is one in which we have to take very seriously the relation between the poverty and all that militarism at home and abroad the unbelievable a materialist i'm a spiritual decay in the empire that we're talking about and then of course the white supremacy not just the black beat but indigenous people brown people arabs muslims jews per iranians and so forth so that just and loudest as angela i am why it had to have trashed his coalition so i could see bowling for biden in a swing state but i can never get divorced an architect of the largest mass incarceration system in the modern world will target or people just of course the black and brown
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poor people or was or bragged about being part of the architecture of the invasion occupation are iraqis over after me and precious iraqis feel on it it us and major not the patient not mumbling word. from anybody for the most part in the republican party yes there are some except bernie sanders and rock on you except barbara leak but for the most part not a moment were so i love. and i may have fact if the f.b.i. had a choice between a deal liberal disaster or a leo asked task 'd i would go to the older will disaster that's about me it is the neoliberal disaster his milk is mediocre he has a new liberal centrist and he tied to wall street he's tied to pentagon he's tied to militarism and he was very much responsible for is jewish and all races prison system that was still coming to terms with in the killing fields on the killing
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fields of american get killed and barrio so that. we're what we're at on president moment run we really aren't we really want to pit. lowest in the history of the species to species that so go under given the ecological catastrophe or nuclear catastrophe we were distilling levels of wealth inequality that are out of control that rediff running much then the levels of corrupt shun me i think for example oh the great dust is good for us last though from undergrad all the sick man i'm a spiteful manimal some pleasure out got a liver disease americans a sick impact is a spiteful impact it's a most unpleasant and dark we've got the number one of the human being on the inside we've got some movement on the inside we've got a magnificent courageous and visionary citizen on the inside but we are losing we are losing we're resisting but we're still losing the greed the hatred wall
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street pentagon is they are in control of the empire and they are taking off and the sad thing is that rest of the world has to deal with some of the ugly consequences and effects but i'm not i'm not despair i'm not paralyzed but despair but i'm very honest and candid about the dark a course your president donald trump would be the 1st to say that iraq was a mistake he would have said only the other day that one of the united states as great as mistakes was to be in the middle east he may not share your a ideas or that he had years of many about climate change but he's the one who's saying intervention has been wrong that foreign policy has been wrong and he even argues that mass incarceration is is a biden policy is an obama policy. well knowing president trump has a similar to it is even more intensely dishes treatment the press is our stimulus
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he is not just in cahoots with nathan yahoo needs and yahoo being the reactionary ceria leader xeno phobic to the core and has no feeling what so ever for precious ousting is he a drop or like white on rice like wet on war he also facilitate the kind of the business treatment of oppression by the sisters in yemen mediated through saudi arabia mediated through the elites unaccountably beat an accountable. prince monarchs and princes and so forth so that when he talks about is he got a critique of the united states in the middle east he's lying again yeah the state has blood on it and in saudi arabia yemen has blood all it's an intel a beat in gaza and the west bank i don't know what he's talking about he took a bow with the united states should never have intervened no this is always already is offering those armies could not exist in israel and saudi arabia without
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u.s. support without imperial support and when we invite we invite his really ambassador we have ideas or any ambassador london on the program but it netanyahu would certainly refute any charge of violence except in self defense and britain which played $550.00 fellows then it better than a one month period spare me we were born yet night but not last night but this is exactly what the cowardly went on principle powell clear what gates to say be a truck be in it and yell be it moti be it was a narrow in brazil be at the hungry or see the gangster is asia not the world moving toward me oh fascist rule and that's where our duty must be and of course truckers are also of that way he knew your fascist well you mention saudi arabia britain together with the united states supplies weapons that are used on yemen britain says it has a robust. selling policy and it's not responsible for war crimes of
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any kind in yemen. sounds like another russian position that would period least don't want to take responsibility for the damage from well for their own savitri it's fascinating how the barry authorizes the devastation claim innocence that innocence itself was already a crime before we get to the concrete crimes oh barbarity too often as a result of imperial activity be it britain france be it united states be russia be it china all empires and the look of the grand inquisitor dusty heskey using that miracle and mystery and authority into magic rationalization mr bitch a should in order to justify tyrannical acts despotic acts anti-democratic acts that subordinate those last don't call it greed a people and i'm a radical democrat or medical risk always start with the plague and predicament of
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the wretched of the earth the old who are priceless and precious but those who are viewed as disposable poor and working people all around the world will matter what color no matter what national identity we've got to be internationalist cross the border with blessed be with my roma brothers this is yesterday and my ballot but was as of yesterday off not going to do it at home because of the power outage but we have to have international solidarity in the name of will morality and spirituality that we will not just empathized be a solidarity with those who were against predatory capitalism we are against almost all be a trad phobia in the form of white supremacy in the form of rama supremacy in the form of patriarchy if i see that ideology or what madonna nation loses sight of the precious humanity of each and every one of us and that's just not an aspect idealism that's a way of being in the world that as a verb or even more than
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a virtue being an action being part of people's movements in order to push back the forces of evil whatever form those forces take. he had just to have skin characters tend to have sudden epiphany but the people that got trump elected apparently working class people who'd lost out because of globalization how do you see all of those different identities of politics l g b g q rights race how do they work with clus because surely to some people the reason trump could win is precisely because of the working class traditionally that base from which progressive politics is a much nobody you're right now of course those is good politics have to be called into question is it psychosis insight into literary genius that we're talking about but at the same time you're right that it was working class folk who were misled by
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truck because the working class was so devastated under the neo liberal rule of obama that did he deliver for st deliver for it not the liberal working people working people were looking for alternatives are left green party you know it was part of the support it are left in america is to we can treat so when we look for an alternative the choice between on the one hand the other but we get a ruling class and they are fastening it really all the truck acted as if he was populist but it's very clear he tied big money he tied it big military it will scapegoat the most vulnerable in terms of mexicans muslims red indians black folk and gays live in a trance and he is able to connect with enough of the white working class 65 percent white men both at the trial 52 percent white women who have a truck so you've got a racial arch here you've got a racial trajectory just going on now we have magnificent white brothers sisters
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who are part of the black last minute we have been in the white. part of serious struggle against white supremacy but it got a lot of. and that causes easily misled by the straw man. and this is of course the challenge that plato saw in the republic he said show me a democracy 'd and i'll show you citizens who were shot through with on ruling passion and you bit with his ignorance now will result in the rise of a strongman to rise a tyrant a death played on the republic going all the way back to. 360 some b. c. he had it in sight even though he was a great critic of democracy in a democracy because he killed mentors upward each he had an insight how do we get to the working class how do we get for so that they're not misled and marched off all consciousness so they're not channeling their existence in a way that reproduces their own no question reproduces their own domination we see
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this all around the world fascism very good at listening to the same thing it looked at the same thing frankel did the same thing these are new islam the fascism at present but similar kind of text well in terms of trying to ensure the misleading every day because they are separate meetings orders are deeply suffering but they rather scapegoat the most vulnerable in terms the degraded the black. lead. and arabs and muslims and immigrants and mexicans rather than confronting those are present on ls i'll just stop you there more from cornell west often this break. when ellen so seems wrong. but don't just don't call. me i'll
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get to see her out just being kind to her. and in danger because betrayal. when someone find themselves worlds apart we just on the common ground. ellwood forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the 1st law show your identification for should be very careful about artificial intelligence at the point obesity is too great a trust every other than if you're. going to take on various johnson with artificial intelligence will summon the demons.
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of the obama must protect its own existence as a mixer. will . join me everything on the alex i'm unsure and i'll be speaking to get us to the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then. welcome back i'm still with professor cornell west if we move up a class is there's something wrong with the elites in in your society i know you. talk about half scoff it's gerald before they read the great gatsby is a great tale of you make it in this world you're going to do well what is wrong with education in a country that has produced so many critiques that i guess echo what you've just been say yeah i'm glad you brought us scott fitzgerald up because he understood of
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course he went to princeton and i'm interested right now understood to spiritual decay in the more kuti of the ruling class not all but most he understood the substitute prosperity for magnanimity they had hardly any sense of more excellence and spiritual greatness is reduced down to things in possession then come out of and it reminds me of the greatest figure. 8 with eugene o'neill and the iceman cometh the greatest and. ever written for the state in what did he say what does it profit a nation that game the old world and lose it so it's all the idolatry in which it is obsessed with. re power well status and spectacle with no moral or spiritual substance that is a moment for the american give it a home for the decline and fall of the american empire that's what eugene o'neill was talking about and eat and ask up is general very close eye on the same register
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in terms of seeing through the emptiness and but cooties so much that what american life in this obsession with the general pleasures and military power and status and the inability to at the deepest level this is shakespearean this is. the suffer from the inability to cultivate the capacity to love the love less ness. no matter how much money you have no matter what your status is if you can't learn how to receive love 2 given that those years in the battles caramels up by hail as those who suffer from the incapacity. and death of marketing understood i come from an equal black. money here in the united states but dishing out so much love john coltrane retorted martin be love it martin luther king who are just to be one to
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love and in need of love we have got rich oh yes we all got to be frank he loves like the whole lives with us hopefully available your on your website i didn't even get out of here no you know the people that have listened to coltrane the people that have read these works many of them are in the d.n.c. we know from wiki leaks how they tried to destroy bernie sanders campaign in 2016 and they didn't feel they didn't feel what they were doing was anything to do with fascism they thought it was to do with stopping fascism so they say i don't honestly this is right around this time because they try to tell us on this being the candidate what do you how do you characterize the d.n.c. has as a system in your politics what i mean it is in more trouble now is that we've been because their ears in fact tremendous critiques of the status and democratic party it looked as if after the november primary that bernie sanders and all of us
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together minturn or others that we were going to win we were really beginning to move in a way that we were headed toward the white house and then had the. it illogical unity facilitated by brock obama with me we have. all of them came together dropped out within a few days the black neo liberal leadership that is and to money in black leadership we do money and back our tix came together and lo and behold we were pushed out we were defeated but let me say this that this step was meant know very much like republican party establishment was undercut by trucks that young people on the street the black clad madam who they understand not just the limitations of the neo liberal leadership no matter what color but they know that it cannot deliver look at what a pandemic right now it cannot deliver safety it cannot live protection cannot
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deliver education cannot deliver goods and services why because the in part in shambles when you have so much greek and corruption and indifference for the suffering with no public life no public health care no public. robust public interactions and we can't even hardly have a public conversation what happens to a demographer you sleep on as hit as you know and maybe you call them apologists for empire they will point to the black faces the people of color in high places they will talk about l g b t q people in high places maybe there are even some indigenous peoples in high places in american politics the american so much life how dangerous is it that these people are installed there as a beacon to show that your view of america your view of the united states is fundamentally flawed because your country is a tale of progress. well the good in of those is good has
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a wonderful mother who crystal palace went back they keep it won't do it back since edifice. sealy had and does wonderful shy is glass menagerie well what happens when it becomes more colorful with races same class as our same imperial policies same levels of poverty same levels of decrepit education same levels of unemployment and underemployment same levels up on the inability young assets to decent housing but it's because you've got black now brown now when i met up at the glass menagerie in the crystal palace all really now behave themselves into reproducing the same kind of decadence the same kind of decay but now of course we . race relations same way looking looking better you don't measure the plight of black people all women are brown people by how their elites are doing you know
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the place in terms of what the prisons look like what does neighborhoods look like what their employment actually is what levels of health care they have but that's precisely the attempt of america to shift serious talk about the plight of poor folk to the. mobility of the few and that has to be radically called into question that is happening on the streets right now in the u.s. in pop. but but in the streets i mean what is different about these uprisings since is more sin los angeles in $165.00 and before and after now we're seeing images of tear gas or federal troops in there no national guard it has to be sent. to your link of a how black lives matter as a movement can in any way respond to what's going on if there are well if certain numbers of people are being shot dead in the streets or killed by security
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forces of the united states that alone frightened to go and demonstrate. well i mean with the public lynching of brother floyd jr you certainly are going to have waves of resistance the beautiful thing is that you have the whole colas coming together and making the connection between not just police power and police murder but between police power least murder wall street power wall street crimes and pentagon power and pentagon crimes once you make those connections and connect to them are you can't make them up the mix may develop they could make the family look em up make rabbi abraham joshua hash as able to make. the greatest intellectual alone with no chomsky and been making for most of his intellectual life once every day people begin to make those connections then we're on to something those can actually be made more now than they were before and yet it really waves of resistance every wave of critique has its own distinctive staff and there is
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a certain kind of cycling is true. we had you know more people dying it wasn't very much more black folk out we will more people die less people die here but now there's a cities unsettle and some president that's a good son after george ford was killed there were demonstrations all around the world in fact in the in love around the world there were there were demonstrations again multi-racial into intersectional but london fall is washington on on foreign policy specially on apparently your biggest enemy china but what the white house says what gives good gives the d.n.c. and they are and see the confidence of china as you said surrounded by bases the united states won't retaliate militarily to what it sees as provocations by nato in washington yeah i mean it is hard to say i mean it's hard to say you can imagine what the golden rule international issues looks like. 2 russia have troops
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in mexico and china you know to do with less about 30 seconds. when you have american troops around who are russians yet to be very honest you know in piles or imparting your concern about it people are concerned about it territory after all just stuck to the domination where you can imagine what. one standard looks like in the same would be true with china we begin to be provocative. then they're going to have different kind of responses i don't know what response will be as the. as the the acts of provocation intensify it's hard to say but i mean right now we've got these 3 empires in the world china russia usa all 3 own form to decay domination all forms of dogma and we have to be connected to radically democratic small
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d forces to empower dissenting voices that are empowering working people that aren't exemplary movements and by exemplary what i mean is leaders haven't riddick who willing to tell the truth and will more than likely have to give their lives because those who are committed to the struggle for the wretched of the earth are on the road to crucifixion that's the way the world is but their blood our blood fertilizes the next wave of resistance and critique what we learn from the black move. well i suppose there's one difference between beijing moscow and washington that's the beijing in what moscow claim to comprehend the dangers of climate change whereas washington doesn't believe it would isabella what is the power of k. street while being on the things you've been talking about and on perhaps the most
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texas tensional crisis we have. fossil fuel effective climate change. well i mean k. street in general generates legalized 2 bribery and normal asked corruption within the halls of congress so the brick house that is supposed to be to house of the people caters much more to the donor than have been affected senate free people themselves that's precisely why so many american citizens look at the system and the state and say it cannot reform itself because the money is all well me has been colonized by the lobbyists who are tied or be late to financial elites. so that it makes it very difficult for those of us in the streets to feel as if we can actually have the kind of impact that we'd like but we do it because it's right because it's more and because it's just and so when it comes to ecological catastrophe 'd in which the whole species the planet itself can go on and you still
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have the greed short term thinking the session with profit you can begin to see just how bob baer predatory capitalism is with the species and in regard to our presentation. reza cornell west thank you that's it for one of your favorite shows of the last season will be back for you see is going to govern the 5th right for the show you don't miss an interview and join the other guy but for me it's a graham and south they say. throughout its history john just with the self-proclaimed islamic state terrorist group and recruited up to 30000 foreigners from all over the world to fight for
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them. if you're in. sounds of russian citizens left their country to join the terrorists often bringing wives and children with them. when he's not on the ballot and ideas imposed on you you see me as and you have no. mall in you to the moon hundreds of children and widows were held captive all disappeared. from my path doesn't. back in russia those children's families wait them search for them. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy
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confrontation let it be an arms race is on offer and spearing dramatic development only personally i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time time to sit down and talk. french president for money montreal heads to beirut for the 2nd time in less than months to press for political reform the big criticism france is acting again like a colonial power. president on at least a lump a to serve protest the arrival of hundreds of new migrants would be local saying the island simply can't cope anymore. and china will build a new set of tech export restrictions that could further challenge the sale of tick tocks business in the u.s. and the growing tensions between the 2 countries.
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