i china obviously but i don't see it really making much of an impact on the electorate because there are so many other issues there's the pandemic there is an economic turndown and all the sudden it's all china's fault somehow believe me i understand what that feels like living in russia but it's there yeah i think that you know that's certainly something that both candidates will it may have afterward rest because china has been such a big part of president trump's whole you know policy agenda and so i think that's something that is really important on the list some experts think that it's you know one of the top one or 2 or 3 issues 'd i don't know that it has a certainly agree with that but it's something that they have to address but i think you know both candidates start talking about china in a negative way blaney things on china certainly the coronavirus pandemic which you mentioned you know president trump has stated that it's led to a mass worldwide killing and said that china covered it out and biden hasn't done

much better to be honest about it and you know both candidates have talked about being tough on china we've definitely seen president trump's track record in terms of the trade war we've heard yet it biden talk about the fact that he wished prohibit u.s. companies from abetting repression wanted quote at supporting the chinese surveillance states also talking about imposing economic sanctions on beijing and so these are this is something that definitely is in the air although right now i think coronavirus issue is on the top of the let's put it in your i mean yeah i think as i said i consider my introduction and it's a lot of written rhetoric because the captains of industry in finance have done extremely well in their interactions with china over the last few decades i don't

think they want to see that change one iota so i'm on the one hand i think it's very rhetorical. and in the end it incites passions and emotions but i don't see the c.e.o.'s and presidents of companies doing very much about. putting into play the rhetoric of either candidate and i think it's real it's actually quite hollow though it does seem designed nice some people. well the problem is that the companies the congress the pollock remark that has been benefiting from you know disco ain't a trade or asians ships as well as investment ratios china don't get any sympathy from present trump and his folks i think this entire campaign in 2016 going to a white house has been built on the series that china has be steering the jobs market companies go moving to china together we just shops and he's appealing to is

a political base that i've been pretty much you know perceived as the victims of that the move but. this is actually you know fundamentally as a comic some work but unfortunately you know his entire political pop 8 though is based on death theory so unfortunately you know compromise test benefit the message he found the child the relationships the trade between the 2 countries amount to a $700000000000.00 company marcus operation here in china the reach somewhere between $400.00 to $500000000000.00 of revenue. as a lot of money for america but the thing is that. is political but it doesn't benefit or not from dad and he had any sympathy yet you did tax these people this corporate leaders of being you know operating again in china so so his entire mandate is to quit in my opinion of corporate america out of china and his entire

you know can carry on towers against china is based on a theory that you know should get to congress. but united states and so am i don't know if this actually benefits united states from economic one of you but unfortunately that's what he believes and you know we can debate about that after x. off this trade. there's no empirical evidence showing up in you just a hook as a trial strategy it doesn't matter to me this it is not a hallmark of 4 years about. elected. that's that's his sources coming from unfortunately he wanted to have china being a champion issue in 2020 an actual problem is that today you know china's entire intractable operation is less than one day's off. 4 in fashion united states that this white you know the china issue is inevitably connected to this

mismanagement and total fiasco in content of house and house this so this is not the markets for on one side it was that we're not the childish you i'm just on the other side it reminds of american people of the shah contrast between china and united states respect to the congo policy issue but don't give the american media that much credit and the american public knows virtually nothing about china at the end of the day here sir i'm going to put you on the spot here can you name can you give me what a one job one shot that china stole from america if you think of one job because i know a lot of jobs that were taken out of america by americans and brought to china to give to chinese workers i think i hear this china stole just didn't steal one job it's the captains of industry and finance that move their operations is that china's all or is it their fault but it's certainly an american can and i think

that's that's really where the jeffrey is wrong here go ahead yeah i mean i would agree that. the rhetoric is incorrect it was you know politicians and also the captains of industry as you say who are in charge of moving jobs especially manufacturing jobs out of america manage to china and here the not mention mexico into all these other countries in the name of free trade and while i believe that free trade is a good thing because it helps us to buy lots of cheap stuff you know and raise our standard of living our low salaries can help to a more eroding salaries can help to to buy more stuff as a result of that but government has not put into place appropriate protections for american low income or middle income workers and you know that's really the big concern but notwithstanding all of that you know there really are some issues with

china that i think that you know they're trying to administration has not really got into it's not about china causing coronavirus or stealing jobs or whatever or having a trade surplus with us none of that makes sense but it is true that china has and continues to steal intellectual property from the u.s. that is a major issue here is also that china continues to be to ramp up its aggression towards hong kong that's another piece of this long qantas part of china if i'm not mistaken correct it is that it was supposed to be governed separately one country 2 systems and yeah i really didn't want to go into the hong kong issue but if you want to so what should the u.s. do i mean i mean what do you know beijing is watching what's going on in portland you know it's a good time to say something about that to china to punish america for what's going

on in oregon i mean it's just i mean double standard. huge double standard errors it is i mean i don't think they you know i don't subscribe to the view that the u.s. has to be the policemen of the world i think that is too much of a. you know a loaded role though for it and for us to take on but i do think you know that the u.s. needs to respond and that the west somehow needs to respond to this type of promotion of authoritarian as a violation of human rights those are basic things that i think there should be some response year now why should the response be i don't know that it should be economic sanctions per se i think that's fairly unique it seems to me watching after a year of these protests in hong kong as if these are the leaders of these groups that actually ended up with a net loss for all the people of hong kong ok so i think it was kind of a fool's errand and now you have people like mike come pale talking about human

rights are you kidding me the secretary of state is talking about human rights i mean in gitmo is still open ok so i don't see any moral standing on the side of the united states to talk about china's human rights record at all john you want to jump in on that. well let me 1st address this issue not stating to not your property as. so ross mention i think this is of course why i think this is a. gross country again a campaign coming from white house coming on the strongest regime let's talk about you know cyber theft of intellectual property now there are many going to have to somehow i'm going to be docked access from russia i have from the united states these are 1st of all i don't think that in trying to try not to get a comment 2nd china has the largest population we have on what people so naturally

republic the largest population of. us. base but you know you shipment this through a sort of space also. the whole of the nation approach to sunni ahmad it's not 2 properties that's just crazy i mean give me one example of one technological achievement as a result of studio market construction properties you know the skins any advantage if you don't have a lot of talk of all this in the past in the media the loss to he has also but if you don't show all of this this this profit and i'll just acquisitions you get down to the details find one example that actually was substantiated slim had been released and i have i went through a licensed section 30 report is 200 page report house i'm just talking about we're going to talk to properties after that kind of things i mean these are the examples 1st of all i think you're 2nd now more than 20 years ago because

a lot of i'm not here there's a kind of a middle ground on this is well is it is my understanding and i'm happy to be corrected if i'm wrong here but a lot of the joint ventures in american companies foreign companies have in china it entailed technology transfers as part of the deal do you business there so i mean if you signed the dotted line you can't say you didn't know go ahead there yeah i mean i would just say you know what i was saying is that they're actually in 7 and that's their estates sponsored hacking of american firms and european firms and also government entities and you know i'm actually pretty pro trying to that i think you know stealing intellectual property is is is not a good way to compete on the world stage and it doesn't create a good feeling or a sense of fair competition. most recently there were 2 happening out here i have

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were indicted by the u.s. shall u.n. donkey abjure and they were accused of hacking not only you know for their own benefit but also hacking on the how of the governments and their actual individuals from the governments one particular individual. of the ministry of security who was identified as working with these hackers so the. narrative about these hackers ins know and types of hacks that they carried out is also known and they weren't stealing intellectual property from biotechnology firms for. medical device engineering firms and from the military you know of course trying to us not alone but china is responsible for 40 percent of global hacks well he was in their interest i think we need to be fair the way it's reported by the u.s. government in the media is that only countries that america doesn't like fax them

ok hacking is going on all of the time it's a very lucrative. even equal profession for a lot of people and some people do it for governments no doubt about it but to single chinatown only it is doing that it's like you know russia half the the american election well there are certainly individuals that hurt if your password was password you probably would get hacked ok mr podesta ok already we're hearing so so sorry i did not ready to date that's a lot. less are you going to claim that i never claimed that the cia the n.s.a. i'm not engaged in any of these activities i mean this is the biggest fairy tale if you tell me that right everybody does that so you know this is no surprise to me and also when you refer to one part of the history that is not a states was engaged a massive. amount of fighting national as far as i was one that was an 80 hunter and that sort of that was that you couldn't 900 why united states engage in that

you know activities to steal. tax now technology is frank bring benjamin franklin in the embassador to paris was the. response network of stealing textile technology. castle a name gun. there was a wonderful time in history that you had states was pretty much you know simply just china right now be the united states so i'm going to this is something that has been done in the us i think you know about it you know what the government and he shook up tell activities like this but i think china is trying to do this i mean i think as part of the trade agreement. the 1st phase of the trade in agreement is something regarding that aspect that there is much on us and he's from the state governments a perspective is not going to you know a sponsor all as well as you know trying to tell the activities going up let us be

trying to do these things so much about it so these are issues that can be. addressed i did not throw. a chance trying to get him. i mean this is going to be i think very very broadly and one of the things that's really misunderstood about china at least from an american point of view is that it's very difficult for americans in the american political elites to see china as an equal peer because the united states hasn't had one for 6 or so very long. and you know if we could go back to people are talking about the new a new cold war with china that i think that's true ok but you know during the original cold war in the united states versus the soviet union is that the soviet union had very specific high technologies in the military but not other places china has almost everything that you could imagine to be an american peer industry well for technology actually it has

a unified people america is very very divided here as well and one of the reasons why it's hard for americans the tape china as a peer seriously would you agree with. i don't know yet i think that certainly people of your china as a had it or at least a competitor. there are worse but so is you know germany for example but i think you know people see china as an increasing aggressor that is that's the major issue i think between the u.s. and china and you know these intellectual property issues have been going on for many years i should also point out that you know under obama his agreement with the president and it because of their diplomatic strong diplomatic relations trying to stop attacking us or several years until trump was in office and so

you know these are theories there are some things that can be worked out diplomatically but at the same time we see china's increasing aggression in the south china sea. you know you also see what american interest is there in the south china sea because if i'm not mistaken it's called the south china sea because it's near china not to put that money in california it might be my problem i think the idea is that you know that the u.s. needs to or feels the need to and i'm not saying that you know this is necessarily right but the u.s. feels the need to 20 and what it views as an increasingly aggressive china and even under obama you know secretary has made it inside hillary clinton i mean just find aggression here what do you mean by. well i don't know gentry's china invaded recently. well we're talking about is increasing military activity certainly that's a side of aggression. even though in other there.

you noted statements from the pacific i was married can link i mean it don't you think it was maybe an opinion on the john. i wouldn't say problem well. you can offer regrets aggression i mean 1 i don't know if you've heard about them the dean principal michael ledeen used to work for the pentagon is a very famous saying abbot 10 years ago every 10 years also you know states need to pick up some crap in a new country just sort of has to walk to me we were to meet we took to thomas street in a war that we mean business i mean if you look back you history it's not was every 10 years ago or so it's like you know once every 3 or 4 years a whole you know law states pick up some crappy little country is the one against the war to show to understand that you're there to. tell us also to just to say that you know china is a gross if i think it's it's makes

a mockery of the word aggression you know and you know the south china sea i want to make a point that you know. the trump ministration just a few days ago. secretary of state on east statement that vastly chance united states traditional condition on the issue of honesty used to be mutual not just taking a side and it's also championing a. verdict on a tribunal that united states doesn't own a cell ok. you know i think this is behind us rhetorics. hollow bunch of progressives indeed it was china and i think the fact that the chinese the cam the punching back of the united states is purely purely because of the russian politics you. understates puzzlement i'm not at all also i think very important is that the american response to to the pandemic has been nothing less

than a disaster ok there's comparisons you can have all around the world we don't have to use chinese the comparison if you don't want you can use europe is a very good example and i think that's projecting and i think it's kind of sad and blaming china is a good that you're not to explain why the reason single payer health care like everywhere else in the world ok i think that's unfair yes sarah i don't want to see a new cold war i don't want to see a conflict here is it just because we're in the silly season of the american presidential election or is there is it is this real and if you could give maybe some beijing's perspective is the united states going to ratchet up the the rhetoric and me even more in the face of this rivalry go ahead well i think you know if we have a continue traffic ministration we will and i definitely don't support. his rhetoric and i'm just you know saying that it's out there and stating that there

actually are some things that need to be worked out not through a trade war or sanctions or things like that but diplomatically we really need to improve diplomatic relations with china doesn't make sense to go to war or go to a cold war with china you know we seen for many decades that's how we've developed the u.s. has developed close ties to try to and it's benefited both countries so you know it honestly it doesn't really make any kind of sense economically where the 2 countries share be at odds to this extends with each other. and the world is big enough for both countries i wish i wish that the american political elite could understand that you know let me go back to you there's something i mean again i'm watching the media all the time and you know up until i would think maybe up until february it was china. you know since there is a communist china it's the it's the communist party's pandemics i mean this goes all right over again and up on the mistaken if not as

a communist country but nobody even notices be it now because it has that political order i mean it is it's really intentionally done to. to sway passions here and i think it doesn't really do serve any positive purpose well then as there was any campaign guideline that was developed by you comes on company for the. republican. committee or how do you come to any basic and it's talking about how to make the use of the chinese. to be a campaign issue but the problem is that you know as i said as an trungpa seeing his losing this campaign he's trying. all of these. various swing states. michigan he's losing big as a been a history big even in florida he's actually trying to put it back in those that is based on numbers in the white house now i am really concerned and he will do

something drastic traumatic in the rest of this administration days you see today the news that he's already honest cosseted office used them to quote you know i think it's not entirely father wrote that he would do something drastic well we're talking about the silent this regime has been experiencing a free for all it's actually more than a free for all i think he's trying to stir up something really great. someday you really any interest in that it's. going to get well what he was able to do and it's not an operation it isn't just have to be true because there's plenty of you know the pentagon looks at china and then sees a lot of money it's good business you know a real enemy i mean we need to spend a lot more money as the country out of the country is poor and there's no sign that there's no assistance for the middle class and i think that's what really should be the debate here i want to thank my guests not still and in beijing and i want to

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