just consumer spending or whoring money into the. stock market that's not going to do anything we have to create a new economy which offers good jobs. constructed for. developing the times of interest structures social environmental structure physical structure that we need the kind of goods that we need to live a decent life and that's the other half of the grid new deal it is essential for not only for survival but for health issues you mention corona virus how does coronavirus alter your analysis given that corona virus threatens corporate profits interstate lee it does not yet. sure retton most corporate profits many corporations are making money hand

over 'd fist of that high tech for example whether it was $1.00 day in which jiffies us termed $13000000000.00 or they're going to hedge funds private equity funds old doing. the treasure is poor and money into the economy in a way which largely benefits them if you take a look at the economy take the united states but it's world will the stock market is breaking records however he's referring records there are totally dissociated and that's a sign of the eat disease of the economy which then only be overcome by the development of the policies. outlined in the details of the green new deal proposals what do you make of the continuing

corporate reframing of the climate crisis it's up to ordinary people to recycle to buy organic food it's up to them rather than the need for systemic change naturally those who benefit from existing institutions do duck under see them changed not which rudd is a fairly good toilet area dictatorship and there are problems the dictator isn't going to say overthrow me well that's analogous to what you're describing the core of the problem is the. man saved. production for private profit not for need and the you should the fossil fuels will may have to be phasing the mel and moving towards total sustainable energy no new emissions within a few decades we've talked to scientists about how deforestation that to

coronavirus tell me about how in the book you talk about even strategies like red it's called ari d d it's funded by corporations to stop deforestation but in your book you say that it actually facilitates deforestation encourages it. helps corporate farmers at the expense of others why is it time and time again these strategies sponsored by governments and the world bank in that case seem to achieve the opposite effect i mean they may in the back of their minds decent intentions but there were constrained by the nature of institutional or to develop programs which will not arm the our full institution and that's the. most at the core. what will further ensure to their needs the result is posies which whatever their

intentions are often negative in there we have to address the problems originally without or. giving priority to the needs of the destructive institutions there's no time to overcome a limited we have to accommodate to their existence the timescale of institutional change is out of the range of time skill for dealing with the environment forests so we have to work within the basic institutional structure that exists within it we can try and very clear definite boluses there outline the my colleague poems which review sions in the book and so on the till which with a small percentage of the economy suffice to will suffice

to deal with these twin programmes has helped book actually go further than the road to hell being paved by good intentions because who want to shock people as you call it deliberately malicious a steak was just happening right in front of her eyes the last 2 days with strong corporate backing the truck of ministration has been eliminating. regulations which protect the population and the environment from release of methane and or snakes other toxic wastes to the benefit of the corporate system not only the fossil fuel companies but the banks finance them benefits them. severely harms the environment and harms the american people then clear now if that's not malice what is now there

may be somebody in the border who says there would be nights to deal with the environment and it would be nice to bill but when it comes to making specific decisions to maximize profit while market share all those good intentions faded to the back in the book the deal is clear that full employment is he bob calling quote calm ox saying capitalism require as unemployment to diminish the boggling power of what because where is this greendale seems to provide for full employment. remember that we do not live in a capitalist society of the kind that marx was discussing marx was discussing quite properly an abstract form of capitalism which brings out its

essential nature so every existence. is watermill a form of state capitalism where state action has been undertaken under pressure to mitigate the destructive forces of pure capitalism so yes sure capitalism would require us more says the reserve on nuclear but state capitalism and overcome the floor moved to guarantee employment and instead of decent employment there for what it isn't do with all problems of capitalism in fact we were moving pretty close to formal school employment. under obama's so the tepid response to those financial questions continue to troll it was not the kind

of full employment that any decent human being would want very large part of it was highly carriers job but very look i got to ask you does it surprise even you how capitalism has reinforced systems of power among elites even though it may endanger their own children suppose you're the c.e.o. of. 'd j.p. morgan chase biggest bank or exxon mobil you basically have 2 choices one choice is to meet the requirements of the institutional structures that exist and work to maximize profits. no matter what the human consequences that's one choice the other choice is to put those aside and work to create a decent world suppose you makes

a choice in your beazley thrown out of the board of directors and somebody else is good in who makes the 1st choice these are institutional it's not individual it's no that's not to say that it be changed within existing institutions it can so take j.p. morgan chase again because bank you know recently internal memo of the bank was leaked and made public it was very interesting it were in the directors of the bank that this in their words the survival of humanity is at stake if we continue on our present course of funding falso fuels and it added that the bank is facing reputational risks meaning the public is getting and rage and will take its revenge on you and harm you to the leaders

of the bank unless you make moves towards that we're going to save humanity from destruction otherwise the banks will be going over the public and national acts which can be done or replaced by public things that's all within reach and the leaders of the economy know that their old is quite fragile while everything seems nationalized here in britain more so than after the 2008 crash because of a pandemic and hundreds the 5 people are being arrested on the streets of london as part of the extinction rebellion protest that j.p. morgan claims in public. rather than any mema fossil fuel loads for the arctic drilling have stopped their phasing out known for coal mining and they're planning a $200000000000.00 empowerment something called the empowerment economic

development deal on pa with goldman sachs you mention exxon mobil well the bottom shelf says yes climate change is real yes renewables are an indispensable part of the future energy mix but no provoking provoking a sudden death of fossil fuel is not a plausible plan and then what you do is explain to the general public that this holds that they're serving their own interests and you must hold their feet to the fire to dry up those pretenses and to do it they know is in fact feasible and correct to move away from certainly from coal and from all 'd fossil fuels as rapidly as we are involved in class war or one of the ruling class doesn't say i'm just going to do it i want i don't care about

you it can't they don't have that power their rule is fragile they know it and therefore they must accommodate to it enter judged active engaged of your relation exactly as is often done in the us the green new deal uses the phrase new deal because the new deal in the 1930 s. did something very similar. well not all are sufficient skill but same kind of government action to overcome crisis deep crisis coal cause the fundamental flaws of the list. and then again the war was best with more expense way beyond anything required good ended the depression created. over the

best. consumer demand which led to several. surely rope it surely go there it grew now i'm trying to scale stopping that more from one of the world's greatest public intellectuals after this break. but the pandemic no certainly no blood is the blood into another tease. be we don't. need to. judge a. common cause is. we can do better we should be doing better. everyone is contributing to our own way but we

also know that this crisis not go on forever the challenges created with the response has been masked so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we are in it together. there's a war of the police but we're pleased to give the police the more the police your maids initiative. that sounds the kind. of the main forms of. losing this war with the. current shoot down those of us. if we were to use the book with this ghost discovering that those would be was the

visibly. but nothing to me yeah of course. welcome back i'm still here with american does it into an author of the seminal manufacturing consent no i'm jones k. imagine the new deal clearly your primary process for the democrats did not elect bernie sanders who favored a new deal style politics here in britain of course jeremy corbyn lost the election what do you make of november you say in the book the democrats are in the pockets of wall street lobbyists the republicans you compared to right wing fringe parties of europe. we have a right to know the republicans are what would. you. they are in international comparisons they are compared with 3 parties in europe with neo

fascist backgrounds and on issues like the climate the worst in the world they want to trumpet ministration wants to race towards maximizing the use of fossil fuels eliminating the regulatory system which reduces somewhat their destructive effect on the climate all of elation perfectly open about this not pretending anything who was take a look at the republican convention not a word about it just trying to rouse people's emotions fears a fear wakes primacy. of. taking away their guns and any emotional appeal you can imagine told very familiar from or a product regimes with a new fresh. in the inside the democratic party there's

a conflict striking. you can see it if you look closely at what. a climate you know back about 2 weeks take a look at the internet 2 weeks ago look for democratic party climate programs they're pretty progressive program was biden's program forced on biden he didn't choose it forced on biden by the progress or praise. program better than any that it yet exist tailored at the same internet now to fill in right trey and clipped democratic climate programs what you find is nothing. they removed the d n the democratic national committee the d.n.c. basically clintonite turner oriented democrats managed in a big power play to remove biden's progressive climate program

that's a battle inside the democratic party is very rather similar to what we just saw and britain. where 'd the blairite right wing labor party or the mantra labor party managed undermine the korban campaign in a really vicious matter very powerful 800 page deterrent study of how they did it which is being most recent pressed in the british press area or which showed 2 means that they went to to try to undermine corbin's effort to develop a live report that would be responsive to the needs of its constituents before this story labor party with policies that actually had very high approval among the

government the right way for the labor party for the mentor they were 40 couldn't stand that they'd rather lose the election than lose control of the party were saying something similar to that in the conflict within the democratic party today and what it means is the progressive popular base once were harder more energetically more commitment traced by who wins the election to ensure that they go back to the press if programs that they had announced and not be forced to abandon them by the donor oriented clintonite conservative elements of the party of basically what used to be called moderate republicans but all of that has fastly overshadowed by the desperate need to get rid of the malignancy in the way. which whatever criticism you make of the democratic

party the white house will need nancy is incomparably more and will if that free. they say it's true yes. well we invite suggest aamer on to refute what you said about labor however he's seeking an investigation into our right to broadcast at all that's for joe biden apparently the policy hasn't changed 2 trillion dollars to boost clean energy and upgrade to $4000000.00 buildings a seeking of a shift towards public transportation but of course as you know in the most recent speech joe biden said no ban on fracking there are so many different aspects obviously to the green new deal but given that we've had the deaths of refugees being reported here in the english channel and in this book you say rich countries are in turmoil because a small fraction of refugees might defile their precious ethnic purity and you also

quote the u.n. figure of 65000000 refugees fleeing violence particular sion and global warming why do you think they are presented in our media as a migrant and that the real enemy here is human trafficking not foreign policy. for the reasons that you just quoted. but here are. well. it sure will racial purity we've seen though it sure new mystery it's disgraceful it's shocking to be over. your reaction so they were if it's gross as is this. where you are is moving the city you know senators who are structures in africa like you sure to try to beat her it will lead from the wreckage those european imperialism and

make sure that they don't get to europe sure riving or keep them away from us. no the there's a reason why people are fleeing not because they love europe it's because of intolerable 'd conditions largely created by a european terror violence over centuries and now it's europe's responsibility to behave humanely towards. a not to resort to racist pretenses in order to honest them for all for europe's crimes same is true here when president troll. compels mexico to keep central american refugees from reaching the territory of the united states to pull for asylum which they certainly deserve why

are they fleeing central america not because they don't like their own the current us terrorist lyall and destroyed their country there quite a few books people can read of us about that and that's terrible and violent i just . that you would agree presumably with donald trump however that our greatest immediate threat was a new planet holocaust caused by nuclear weapons agree with trump is racing towards maximize exist threat of nuclear weapons that's why the. clock has been moved over the famous doomsday clock has been moved the minute then has been moved closer to midnight every year the truck has been in office this last january they have been good minutes moved to seconds.

100 seconds to midnight since january has continued as an act on the arms control regime which is has been the rule somewhat limited enormous ringback threat of nuclear destruction it already eliminated the i.n.f. treaty. couple months ago more illuminating the open skies treaty which traces but was no he is no he laid on shrivel is grounds delayed implement the renewal of the new start treaty well now it may be too late to renew it and it's the last of the major treaty is soon won beyond that were threatening to start nuclear testing as have been learned for 28 years all of this is on top of that moving towards creating. new

weapon new and or more threatening weapons of destruction against which there is no possible. democrats don't have a pretty record on this issue but nothing from well we invite we invite the u.s. ambassador on trump says actually he's all for peace obviously meant finally i've got to ask you about julian a songe of wiki leaks he begins the trial of his life in 48 hours time in a london court the u.n. rabbitohs been on this show says he's been having 3 tortured by british authorities what do you think it will mean if the wiki leaks founder is extradited to the united states on espionage charges. it would be a criminal act on the part of the british overman to exceed to the us the event for extradition. would be issued they've already committed many

crimes. on a songes offense is not saying bail. now if he had good reasons not to because he would have been extradited. but not paying bill requires a tap on the wrist not torture in a high security prison. up to the what reason i need a leader is allowed to receive books i'm in mass murderers or being treated like in a way beyond the worst vicious criminal ok and if he's extradited it comes up for trial on the us as spinoza's laws which even chariot tensional did. it's trial is being. committed the crime of letting the general population know things that they have

a right to know and that powerful states don't want of the know that's the crime. and the way the british government is acting is deplorable. it or pressure again must be developed to ensure that each other be released quickly from these charges. that he be absolved of all these threats while u.k. prime minister marchand's and says it's only right the joining us on finding faces just as the government says it supports the important work of the un special rapporteur on torture but disagrees with a number of his observations as for the us secretary say pompei he says we can expect is also an intelligence agency on john's case thank you and that's it for the season premier will be back on monday with one of the world's greatest chronicler of los angeles and time demick smike davis until then join the underground by subscribing to a huge of channel one following us on twitter facebook instagram is that route.

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