think threat of climate extinction i'm joined now from tucson arizona by one of them a site of intellectuals on earth the father of modern linguistics american president no i'm trying to escape not thanks so much for coming back on the show so what is the global green new deal that's the new book climate crisis and the global green you deal and why is it to you the most important political plan in all of human history we're now facing a number of crises serious ones one crisis is the threat of climate environmental catastrophe we must move to net 0 emissions within a few decades and one goal of other problem which is arising with great hurry right now is the collapse of the economy as a result of the endemic no it is not this is a very different kind of crisis from the financial crisis this time there is no

escape through just consumer spending or oring money in the. stock market that's not going to do anything we have to create a new economy which offers good jobs or construct if we're. developing the times of interest structures social environmental structure physical structure that we need the kind of goods that we need to live a decent life and that's the other half of the green new deal it is essential for not only for survival but for health issues you mention corona virus how does coronavirus alter your analysis given that corona virus threatens corporate profits interestedly it does not yet. sure written

most corporate profits many corporations are making money hand over 'd fist of that high tech for example whether it was $1.00 day in which jiffies us termed $13000000000.00 or they're going to hedge funds private equity funds old doing fine because the treasurer is poor and money into the economy in a way which largely benefits them if you take a look at the economy take the united states but it's world will the stock market is breaking records however he's referring records they're totally dissociated and that's. a sign of the eat disease of the economy which then only be overcome by the development of the policies. outlined in the details of the green new deal proposals what do you make of the

continuing corporate reframing of the climate crisis it's up to ordinary people to recycle to buy organic food it's up to them rather than the need for systemic change naturally those who benefit from existing institutions do duck under see them changed not which rudd is a fair bit to tell a tarion dictatorship and their problems the dictator isn't going to say overthrow me well that's a knowledge as to what you're describing the core of the problem is the. massive. production for private profit not for need and the you should the fossil fuels will may have to be phasing the mel and moving towards total sustainable energy no new emissions within

a few decades we've talked to scientists about how deforestation that to coronavirus tell me about how in the book you talk about even strategies like red it's called ari d d it's funded by corporations to stop deforestation but in your book here say that it actually facilitates deforestation encourages it. helps corporate farmers at the expense of others why is it time and time again these strategies sponsored by governments and the world bank in that case seem to achieve the opposite effect i mean they may in the back of their minds decent intentions but there are constrained by the nature of institutional power to develop programs which will not harm the powerful institution that's. most at the core. but will further ensure to their needs the result is always

a switch whatever their intentions are often negative in there we have to address the problems originally without or. giving priority to the needs of the destructive institutions there's no time to overcome a limited we have to accommodate to their existence the timescale of institutional change is out of the range of time skill for dealing with the environment forests so we have to work within the basic institutional structure that exists within it we can try and very clear definite o. ses there outline the my colleague poems your visions of the book and so on the till which with a small percentage of the economy suffice to will suffice

to deal with these twin programmes has helped book actually go further than the road to hell being paved by good intentions because who want to shock people as you call it deliberately malicious a stake was just happening right in front of her. so the last few days was strong corporate backing the truck of ministration has been eliminating. regulations which protect the population and the environment 'd from release of methane and or snaked other locks ways to the benefit of the corporate system not only the fossil fuel companies but the banks finance them benefits them. severely harms the environment

and harms the american people then care of let's not malice what is now there may be somebody in the boardroom who says it would be nice to deal with the environment and it would be nice to bill well when it comes to making specific decisions to maximize profit. and market share all those good intentions faded to the back and the book the deal is clear that full employment is key but polling quote calm ox saying capitalism require as unemployment to diminish the boggling power of what because where is this greendale seems to provide for full employment. remember that we do not live in a capitalist society of the kind that marx was discussing marx was discussing

quite properly an abstract form of capitalism which brings out its essential nature so every existence is watermill a form of state capitalism where state action has been undertaken under pressure to mitigate the destructive forces of pure capitalism so yes sure capitalism would require as mark says the reserve on nuclear but state capitalism and overcome the floor moved to guarantee employment and instead of decent employment there for what it isn't do with all problems of capitalism in fact we were moving pretty close to formal school employment. under obama's so the

tepid response to those financial 'd questions continue to troll who is not the kind of full employment that any decent human being would want the jury a large order that was highly experienced job very look i got to ask you does it surprise even you how capitalism has reinforced systems of power among elites even though it may endanger their own children suppose you're the c.e.o. of. 'd j.p. morgan chase biggest bank or exxon mobil you basically have to jewishness. one choice is to meet the requirements of the institutional structures that exist and work to maximize profits no matter what the human consequences that's one choice or the other choice is to put those

aside and work to create a decent world suppose you makes a choice in your immediately thrown out of the board of directors and somebody else is put in who makes the 1st choice theirs or institutional it's not individual no that's not to say that it be changed within existing institutions it can so take j.p. morgan chase again biggest bank recently an internal memo of the bank was leaked and made public was very interesting it warned the directors of the bank that this and their words the survival of humanity is it stage if we continue on our present course of funding trouble feels that it added that the bank is facing reputational risks meaning the public is getting and rage

and will take its revenge on you and harm you the leaders of the bank unless you make moves towards. working to save humanity from destruction otherwise the banks will be taken over by the public and national ads which can be done or replaced by public thanks nuptial within reach and the leaders of the economy know that their old is quite fragile while everything seems nationalized here in britain more so than off to the 2000. crash because of a pandemic and hundreds of people are being arrested on the streets of london as part of the extinction rebellion protest that j.p. morgan claims in public rather than a leaked memo fossil fuel loads for the arctic drilling have stopped their phasing

out known for coal mining and they're planning a $200000000000.00 empowerment something called the empowerment economic development deal on par with goldman sachs you mention exxon mobil well the bottom shelf says yes climate change is real yes renewables are an indispensable part of the future energy mix but no provoking provoking a sudden death of fossil fuel is not a plausible plan and then what you do is explain to the general public that this holds that they're serving their own interests and you must hold their feet to the fire to drop those pretenses and to do with a no is in. fees of will and correct to move away from certainly from coal and from all 'd 'd 'd fossil fuels as rapidly as we are involved in this war or would the ruling class doesn't say i'm just

going to do it i want i don't care but you can't they don't have that power their rule is fragile they know it therefore they must accommodate to it enter judged active engaged of your relation exactly as is often done in the us the green new deal 'd uses the phrase new deal because the new deal in the 1930 s. did something very similar. or not asha efficient scale but same kind of thing a government action to overcome a crisis deep crisis coal caused by the fundamental flaws of capitalist society and then came the war. i wish more. would. require. and depression.

over the. consumer demand which led to several. surely room surely go there is no and. more from one of the world's greatest public intellectuals after this break. trade and investment of become magic spells to conjugate you cannot make development. most people think about trade they think about goods and services being exchanged between countries and the investment chopped or a trade agreement as about something very different but won't when investment leads to toxic manufacturing that destroys sacred sites all ruins the environment. that

means local communities that are being poisoned to thing object if they do anything that the company feels is interrupting their profits they can be certain now multinationals are taking on the whole nation philip morris is trying to use i.s.t.'s to stop tour of the white from implementing new tobacco regulations aimed at cutting domestic smoking rates a french company sued egypt because egypt to raise its minimum wage democratic choice trump corporate long joint says we try to fund don't want to touch it. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy confrontation let it be an arms race. spearing dramatic development only i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical

time time to sit down and tom. welcome back i'm still here with american president and author of the seminal manufacturing consent no i'm jones imagine the new deal clearly your primary process for the democrats did not elect bernie sanders who favored the new deal style politics here in britain of course jeremy corbyn lost the election what do you make of november you say in the book the democrats are in the pockets of wall street lobbyists the republicans you compared to right wing fringe parties of europe. we know that the republicans are. they are in international comparisons they are compared with 3 parties in

europe with neo fascist backgrounds and on issues like climate the worst in the world they want to trumpet ministration wants to race towards maximizing the used to fossil fuels eliminating the regulatory system which reduces somewhat their destructive effect on the climate on the population perfectly open about this not pretending anything otherwise 'd take a look at the republican convention not a word about it just trying to rouse people's emotions fears a fear that wakes primacy. of. taking away their guns and any emotional appeal you can imagine told very familiar from or a product of regimes with a new fresh. in the inside the democratic party there's

a conflict striking. you can see it if you look closely at what's. climate you know back about 2 weeks take a look at the internet 2 weeks ago look for democratic party climate programs they're pretty progressive program was a fight whose program forced on biden he didn't choose it forced on biden by the progress or praise. program or that any of that it yet exist tailored at the same internet now to fill in right tray and clipped democratic climate programs which you find is nothing. they removed the d n the democratic national committee the d.n.c. basically clintonite donor oriented democrats managed in

a big power play to remove biden's progressive climate program that's a battle inside the democratic party is very rather similar to what we just saw and britain. where 'd the blairite right wing labor party or the mantra labor party managed undermine the korban campaign in a really vicious matter very powerful 800 page deterrent study of how they did it which is being most recent pressed in the british press area or which showed 2 means that they went to to try to undermine corbin's effort to develop the labor party that would be responsive to the needs of its constituents before just story labor party with policies that actually had very high approval among the government the right way for the labor

party for the mentor they were already couldn't stand that they'd rather lose the election than lose control of the party were saying something similar to that in the conflict within the democratic party today and what 'd it means is that the progressive base wants were harder more energetically more commitment case by who wins the election to ensure that they go back to the impressive programs that they had announced and not be forced to abandon them by the donor oriented clintonite conservative element of the party of basically what used to be called moderate republicans but all of that has vastly overshadowed by the desperate need to get rid of the malignancy in the way.

which whatever criticism you make of the democratic party the white house will need nancy is incomparably worse and will if that free. they say it's true. well we invite suggest aamer on to refute what you said about labor however he's seeking an investigation into our right to broadcast at all that's for joe biden apparently the policy hasn't changed 2 trillion dollars to boost clean energy and upgrade to $4000000.00 buildings a seeking of a shift towards public transportation but of course as you know in the most recent speech joe biden said no ban on fracking there are so many different aspects obviously to the green new deal but given that we've had the deaths of refugees being reported here in the english channel and in this book you say rich countries are in turmoil because

a small fraction of refugees might defile their precious ethnic purity and you also quote the u.n. figure of 65000000 refugees fleeing violence particular nand global warming why do you think they are presented in our media as a migrant and that the real enemy here is human trafficking not foreign policy. for the reasons that you just quoted. but here are. well. it sure will racial purity we've seen though it sure human history is disgraceful it's shocking to be over. your reaction so they were if it's gross is this. where europe is moving in the city you know senators who are structures in africa like you sure to try to beat her. plea from the wreckage those european imperialism to make

sure that they don't get to europe sure robi keep them away from us. you know the there's a reason why people are fleeing not because they love europe it's because of intolerable conditions largely created by a european terror violence over centuries and now it's europe's responsibility to behave humanely towards. a not to resort to racists pretenses in order to unhitch them for all for europe's crimes same is true here when president troll. compels mexico to keep central american refugees from reaching the territory of the united states to pull for asylum which they certainly deserve why

are they fleeing central america not because they don't like their own the current us terrorist lyall and destroyed their country there quite a few books people can read of us about that and that's terrible and violent i just . that you would agree presumably with donald trump however that our greatest amy jit threat was a new plan holocaust caused by nuclear weapons agree with trump is racing towards maximize exist threat of nuclear weapons that's why the the clock has been moved over the famous doomsday clock has been moved the minute then has been moved closer to midnight every year the truck has been in office this last january they abandoned minutes moved to seconds.

100 seconds to midnight since january has continued as an act on the arms control regime which is has been the rule somewhat limited enormous ringback threat of nuclear destruction it already eliminated the i.n.f. treaty one couple months ago one chillin unaided the open skies treaty which traces but a lesson or he is no he laid on shrivel is grounds delayed implement the renewal of the new start treaty and now it may be too late to renew it and it's the last of the major treaty is soon won beyond that or threatening to start nuclear testing as have been none for 28 years all of this is

on top of that moving towards creating. new weapon new and or more threatening weapons of destruction against which there is no possible defense democrats don't have a pretty record on this issue but nothing from well we invite we invite the u.s. ambassador on trump says actually he's all for peace obviously meant finally i've got to ask you about julian assange of wiki leaks he begins the trial of his life in 48 hours time in a london court the u.n. reports has been on this show says he's been having 3 tortured by british authorities what do you think it will mean if the wiki leaks founder is extradited to the united states on espionage charges. it would be a criminal act on the part of the british overman to exceed 'd to the us the

event for extradition. would be issued they've already committed many crimes. a songes offense is not saying bail. no she had good reasons not to because he would have been extradited if. but not paying bill requires a pat on the wrist not torture in a high security prison. up to the what reason not even a leader is allowed to receive folks i'm in mass murderers or being treated like in a way beyond the worst vicious criminal ok and if he's extradited it comes up for trial on the us as spinoza's laws which even carry a potential death. it's trial is being. committed the crime of letting the general population know things that they have

a right to know and that powerful states don't want of the know that's the crime. and the way the british government is acting is deplorable. it or pressure again must be developed to ensure that each other be released quickly from these charges and that he be absolved of all these threats while u.k. prime minister mark johnson says it's only right that joining us on finally faces just as the government says it supports the important work of the un special rapporteur on torture but disagrees with a number of his observations as for the us sector say pompei or he says wiki leaks is also an intelligence agency noam chomsky thank you and that's it for the season premier will be back on monday with one of the world's greatest chronicler of los angeles pandemics mike davis and until then join the other guy by subscribing to our huge channel on following us on twitter facebook instagram is about.

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