that i'm now joined by professor it's you know said prominent south african athlete scientist and the author of floor of the attrition practice and knows that such a crew is from a top tier so great to see you thank here well thank you very much as an illness be on your show i don't want to make you blush it is in the beginning of our conversation but your an extraordinary athlete your round great. what i find most impressive about you is that having it humiliated all that language. you actually had the courage to recognize that much of your lives were was misguided that it actually cost harm and you had if you just say it out loud that takes air and authentically strong person to do that how was it like for you. yes son i thank you very much you know i didn't realize what the outcome would be when i changed my mind but i like the truth and i had watched my dad dive type 2 diabetes and as

a medical doctor you know i would have sort of like to help him but i couldn't because i was raised in the paradigm which holds that diabetes is an irreversible disease it's progressive so what i saw happening in my father that i expected to happen when i didn't have time to dodge the cheese and then by chaunce came across a book which convinced me that the low carb diet was the solution to diabetes and then i tried it and i reduced my diabetes and i knew i had one child i had 2 choices i'd like to. and then if that was the case i'd written this book you know of running which has been read by millions around the world and that book says you must carbohydrate load and i knew that if people followed that advice that they would get type 2 diabetes just as i did that so i had a choice either to keep quiet or to say gosh i'm sorry i'm going to be harming people and that if you audience and resistant and you know high carbohydrate you're going to die from diabetes so i came out and said i'm sorry i was wrong but that

turnaround only came around they are 60 and until that you were already have pretty astonishing big name and to fill those question actually your company pretty is the 1st. drink and you are talented people. you know if you want to stay fit and healthy you have to eat a lot of credit and you get yourself and the ultimate prize didn't ever are on it any dollar ever are actually our friend your mind i know that not not for one moment that's how brainwashed i was my problem was that we're not finished my medical training and when she had to science i went straight into cardiology and wikked with some of the talks cardiologists and type something in south africa and it was. to the time when the new dodgy guidelines came out $976977.00 and semiprecious they were saying you can't each bought a you can't eat bacon and eggs you cause to eat sausages and he was strangling x.

in the bin that you it if you had breakfast with him you had to eat your cereals and grains and so what was i mean just think yes there will be one of the wilderness archies telling me what the american heart association news says is good for me my wife fortunately never listened to it and she continued to eat the butter in the cheese and then says he was lost at me she says how could you have been brainwashed by these people but the reality is you're with them every day it's very difficult that's think otherwise. i don't want to downplay your legacy but i think that's probably the most important thing that you've ever gotten your life you know what i mean she had her delusion searing and that extending from it and then that and i think that it was misguided and actually you know taking the i prefer to reverse the damage because this is what me need our governments from south africa to the united states to russia to you to recognize that this economy basement prior

to his car was in a state of gigantic proportions. billions of dollars and yet for some reason they're still very slow in doing that even if they aren't current because our public * health system is our last bad guy because of the car so why do you see yourself. because the industry controls everything that's being done they control what tor to medical schools not think that's important in their control that dietetics advice that's given out and if you stand out of line as i did then the industry would try to take you out as they tried to do with me and i was fortunate that i could stand up and because i knew the literature and i knew that i could beat them on the literature and so in my trial we presented all the evidence to prove that the low carbohydrate diet is very beneficial to a majority of people then we could show that and they they actually didn't try to contest it. they tried to make out that i was harming patients and putting advice on tricks and i was very dangerous cause millions of people will die as

a result i mean that that was the level of the stupidity and we were able to show that that's not the case and say i can absolutely that it's extremely difficult to change what industry is going to shouting and i know as seem a lot to you you've interviewed him and he makes the point that the british government has a choice and doris johnson is has kind of had 90 and just evolved at midseason i've a right but why does he say i'm going to start cycling when you're caught up cycle as i've seen said you're caught out cycle a bad un but he but johnson concept you got to eat truck and he neither can the south african government said right eat broccoli because the industry went allow that to be stayed and that's that's the reality imagine call it 19 am i truly hope that the silver linings are based academic would be robbing them a sense and see all changing the way people eat you know on the freezer probably

how officials. i wonder with the amount of information we have about this virus right now is it safe to say that it would have never become a calamity of such little proportions if it didn't land on the populations whose house has already been undermined by day case of car bingeing yeah you know that the the c.d.c. came along a few weeks ago i'm sorry a few days ago and said that you're not dying of kind of at 19 you dying of the camel but if you didn't quite say that that's the that is an argument and i have this argument with people what do you die from are you dying from the diabetes or they're kind of at 19 and it's a place young saying but i think you can make the argument that if you are metabolic you healthy you can survive this virus so the virus is not a killer and then as a paper came out you guys are gushing just by a 2nd many with them in d.c. you can reduce the mortality dramatically and and reduce hospitalization so it

seems surprising to me that this virus actually can be read treated with relatively simple interventions like that m n d and certain medications so it's not the killer but it's become the killer because it's affecting a particular group the old elderly and it was and as with was the metabolic syndrome i don't want to bore our audience with too many medical details but from my understanding of face that the way this virus operates it's actually. the marine made for people where addicts of parts consumption my understanding is that if your glucose levels are under control jury may get a virus but it won't be just like any other in france it's only when your body is on to mine by you know day kids our hearings are consuming those things that are destroying the on the inside it's only that and that would be to become so exposed

to what you call r.p. that. yeah i think you have said iraq of ours needs glucose and it needs a damaged body in order to replicate and that's a key or if it replicates directly and in large numbers then you're in china but if it doesn't contribute because your blood because it is normal and join you in system is in good shape then you're going to get it without serious infections and i think that that's very care you know it's interesting people say that this is one of the few viruses that's really a tech the european populations and it's not as if it's us not it's africa and that's why people a 72nd saying about it if it was just in they in the underdeveloped will satisfy that people wouldn't be as concerned about it as they are so there's another sort of political side to it as well up until recently it was sort of to soon that people who try to report cards for doing that in part out of that it to look younger to the barrier by keeping their waiting chat but i actually think that that

colonized to these redefining the danger posed by cars because it's not about the exterior it's actually about what's going on inside your body and to add a social dimension whether your country's public health secretary can deal with so many metabolically challenged people at once i wonder what's the most striking cannot. carps and call it 98 for you. yes so you know it's really interesting because i spoke to some members of parliament in 22000 and south africa and that was game from front page news and from that moment i was targeted and you know his stance on and in that talk i said so that again is sitting on a time bomb that has as metabolic syndrome so last week and there is a major newspaper report in south africa some better news sitting on a time bomb because of their relationship with talk to diabetes and kind of at 19

so many were they were just 7 years too late and people ask me so what have you been doing to make sure you don't get credit well i've been doing jane use of this diet and supplementing with that i'm a d n sync and trying to be metabolic eat healthy you need at least 2 months probably if you're us metabolically unhealthy if you get it started eating a low carbohydrate diet within 2 months you might well be in a state where you've recovered enough to cope with that so that the big message is it's never too late and that's what maybe this this disease is teaching us presidents i think you would agree that it's not about all or nothing even slice changes to die especially land they can sound crass japanese in a pretty constant pressure results i heard you say mind you that you know just salad days of cutting out absolutely change here will cost profile in a way that. may not necessarily make your last susceptible to the virus but well

i have or are you rather a batter right. nicety wright said all studies saying that that people with because it's like elevated when they catch the virus and was shocked and those who got normal guys concentrations and you're quite correct we do know that you can take recent onset diabetics and in 7 days you can normalize their view because control i'm not saying they've reduced their diabetes but you're because control can be normalized in 7 days that's if a not too seriously diabetic and it said recent onset which tells me that the vast majority of people don't yet have diabetes but they have an abnormal glucose response to a couple hydrates so it just takes you 7 days of eating 25 grams of carbohydrates at that that's all you have to do and you can start normalizing your because control and if the virus hits you off to 7 days you're defending me in better shape and at much less risk and that's i think that's more

a factor that has it to do rather than you know talking about what the government is doing or not doing that doesn't mean that he said not keep an eye on what their game but i think people sometimes. 'd fail to recognize that they have a lot of that own agency and when it comes to color and i think that's critically and it's not the government that probably your own efforts that can protect the proper mistakes are. you know i just wish all these governments would come along and say you know us where the face masa do all these things but they should all know if a small skit should say if you eat you if you eat junk you will get sick don't stop . there to be a decent message gone they just edit you know the bottom line. well yeah i mean it's a it's a very good a.d.r. will be at least the south african government picks up and it has enough we have to take a short break now to rebuild the baton to your mom and. throughout

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back in russia those children families wait. that's geysers. they say that the delegates. to these if this is a son. support via bill means don't call them white so you stop to. welcome back to worlds apart of the protests and you know some prominent south african athletes scientists and howard advocates prison noakes i know you've always said at least on the surface. taking good care of your body and your rod

i don't know how many restricting more than 70 years and are marathons and ultra marathons i why do you know being an athlete is that actually salaried or. slow down the onset of insulin resistance because you have to consume carbs in much greater quantities than the rest. i think the center writes a clock frankie so what i learned you know in riches make it easy to go and riches make it one of the reasons i loved running ultramarathons was because i would go to these very long runs lost in 4 or 5 hours and then not feel fantastic and i realized what an f. and i was getting into ketosis which i never was because i was eating so much cause i was finally getting rid of all of the crops once i cut the cobs i'm felt like that will the time i was chris found the instant existence from a very young age and it it took me 3040 years to come up with type 2 diabetes

had i just eaten the high fat diet low carbohydrate i thought i would never have got into this state at all so the point is that all the running couldn't offset the problems with a couple hideouts you know one of the 2 studies i ever did was to look at why people were dying in marathon races and the we were the shows to show that you could have that balance karni artery disease carney as a rescuer as you said that heart attacks even if you were marathon runners and at the time that jerry was if you ran a marathon you were immune from a lot disease for ever you're not on a study showing that carnie aren't you diseases can't prevent in marathon as if you'd actually not reducing your risk now i am not mistaken it's at his son's yes reverse era type of diabetes despite being very very resistant that you are current intake are rather it's a couch i see being very in the air having seen your father being taken away by the east why did it take you so long because

a lot of people i know now i mean they were off the mat but then months. parts out because i think that said i'm quite good at all in stage or type 2 diabetes as it were and my pancreas is probably not succeeding and i couldn't stand anymore and and you do it kind of there is a gradual recovery of instance of creation and i suspect that's what happened with me that as a. i got my gear because under control b. the tank that excels good read write properly and start using a bit more instrument but i mean i was right at the end stage you know i shouldn't be alive essentially i shouldn't be alive today my dad died 10 years ofter the diagnosis and and he typically went through all the problems lost his legs and then died and so i should have 10 years into the diagnosis and remember i probably have the disease for about 4 or 5 yes 4 and they are nice and so i might be 16 years down the road and i should i should have kidney failure heart attack strikes last

and then you mansion get out after a silly terror painful subject for you but i want to bring out once again pressure because of my own pain i have seen my loved ones indulging themselves compulsively under the pretext of now we only once or i have to give myself a b. i feel see the difficult times. daddy's death and and fast that it is live what does it look like. it's awful you know i know that ken said this awful but i suspect that diabetes days are much worse and the problem is that the 1st thing you're likely to have is a strike a heart attack is ok because you have lived through it but it's shaped you then it can leave you unable to speak like my father couldn't speak so when he died we couldn't say goodbye to each other you didn't can go blind and or you can go to reno state and i mean aside is probably the worst because now you've got to go into dialysis if you've got the the privilege of having dialysis machines nearby your

witches and then your docs change etc you can't eat salt so that doesn't taste very good and then you lose your limbs and once you lose your limbs you become totally dependent on someone to carry you to the bottom for example and how humiliating is that because my father was a very powerful strong men independent man who became dependent on people to keep them alive so the reality is you know that you can choose you can choose i think the way you die and my goal in life is to die in my sleep and without taking credit medication that that should be everyone's got that choose that your web death and the web the biggest threat is to die in a safe and then you've had to then you've done 16. i noticed that. wired the x. rays and x. rays and if i something along the lines that we're not living longer anymore we have done longer perhaps they may call for the best of making the later stages of

life they're pretty difficult not only for the people are living those lives but also for everybody around them i think the worst and the cruelest of all is that it's even bring it myself you can't reverse it and it's also making not that hard to do that yes it takes a bit of discomfort bread it's easily damper millions of people reverse that type to die be. yes and everyone watching us today can do it if not for themselves then at least for that loved one so that they don't have to carry you to the bathroom when you know i was. going to thank you for making those points because they've appointed also got to met my father's day it had a great effect on me because we couldn't say goodbye but also on my children and grandchildren it has a huge impact on them because now they only remember their grandfather in this that this way and i don't think it's fair for me to do that to my children and my

grandchildren this 2nd point you said about travis we have to understand that diabetes is a choice and i think that's the point you're driving it's a hevia you choose to have type 2 diabetes and you do not die from type 2 diabetes you die from it in appropriate treatment and that's the key so you have the choice and all you have to do is to restrict couple hydrates to listen 25 grams a day and to probability is that you have a 60 to 70 percent of has some of the disease and 90 percent you'll be able to stop taking insulin and isn't is the killer insulin is the key driver of ill health and arterial disease that if you decide to make that choice one of the things you will have you will have to contend with is hunger and this is one that i want to talk to you about in a minute we have. people are usually afraid of congress and understandably so i mean our alison happened at

a time of scarcity is no longer the case for the majority of our your disbelief in that time of chronic abundance and it is my deepest convictions that during these times hunger can be not only but that one of your best friends what do you think about it the agreement that well you know the book the reason i went on the stock was because i saw an ad on on my email new 6 kilograms in 6 weeks. 36 pounds in 6 weeks without hunger it was that without him and i said that's a lot you can't lose weight without anger and then i noticed the book was written by some friends of mine dr eric christman and his colleagues and i said they sold out this is a complete fraud so in the book a book and then having read spirit i realized they were promoting the atkins diet and i tried it and i'm going to sit yet and i reduced my calorie consumption genetic data were lost will the whites i needed to lose and then i realize that

hunger is the key says yes i say yes now is the key you have to find the foods that satiate you and destiny doc that will allow you long term to use right it's got to satiate you in a wider interview that you sort of have it or that hunger has different personalities and there seconds you know that in certain people it's driven by probably innocent people it's driven by fat. people it's driven by sugar the sugar cravings that we have it's actually from what i understand it's not the real hunger it's essentially your hunger system being asked by some demon telling you you know. you know about your business just before i bought our set of descending from 1000000 rising your south have you know this very primordial urge that we have yet thank you very much i think the point is that sugar is addictive and most people like eating in an addictive way and it's the sugar addiction and

the way we try to tell them how you can taste really rotisserie addiction is eat your cereals and grains will breakfast and then at st 3 hours later see if you don't have to eat more carbohydrates and it's impossible they called you also how long can you not each call by its full and it turns out it's 4 hours and that's it then they have to eat again but if your breakfast is aids and bacon and sausage is and cheese and yogurt sit. us feel hungry for a 5 o'clock and often and then people suddenly see it now i understand this is one guy and i'm sure i get it 5 o'clock is real i'm got that hunger i get it at 10 o'clock in the morning because i've been eating i call but that's not anger that's addiction when you know i have to toss you're not really suffering from hunger the way you're a separation from it running 85 times a day i still think that we have a set of. he denies hunger because i personally am present tense i think it's an amazing feel psychologically these are logically and

also that you know it's also a good way of learning skills that you need in this year of abundance filtering self-discipline and delayed gratification it's easy it could be very very helpful but not it's you reap all those benefits that i think you need to overcome this primordial feet fear that i don't like the title of this book because hunger is actually not that fearsome you can go for days without food without actually suffering i wonder what was it like for you to day keeps moving on parts how do you know when you're south off that's what i will be it was very simple because i was brought up by my mother who was in the meat trade in britain so she raised me on meat and we used we had lots of awful sheets brains kidneys liver was everything and so i was well used to eating lots of protein as

a child and then i got clear of that because i went to medical school and then i converted to this other diet but once i was given the freedom to go back to eat the meat i said gosh that's what i've always liked eating for me it was very simple and routine reaks completely adapted to this new diet of what we call a real suits and so i was really enjoying it and the only problem was the sugar addiction and i was a sugar that i would drink in the drinks when i was running off drugs finished running and in my tea and that took 14 months to get rid of the often syrup aspirin some of them. encouraged by the industry say that nutrition science is so complicated and conducted you know those large randomised controlled trials it's still challenging but at the end of the day it we're all experimental scientists we all have. you know state of the art laboratory our bodies and bodies horizons be

accurate the fact that she think that there is you know these denounced for longitudinal studies is sometimes used for essentially. the status quo because each and every one of my skin tried is that he is now owned by let's say for a week which you know that decide whether they were worth any cell phone ah well you know it started eating meat 3000000 years ago and we've been choosing autumn 3 for 3000000 years ago until the 19th sixty's when all of a sudden the expression begins for that there was no no i did expression you ate what your mother told you to say what their grandmother had george and that's how the knowledge went down but along came the industry and changed all the rules and then they had the titians who told us we have to balance etc it's nonsensical we. there's no evidence that that's any did i for you and each just as you choose but choosing the right yours and if you're choosing the right foods you eat to eat them

in the rock wanted to use prisoners they have to leave it there but that i can't tell you how grateful i am for having the starting to talk to you today thank you very much the place that was a great interview thank you so much had thank you for watching out to syria next week on hold the heart. or. bark of. she stressed to me not long but they say that the british in the bill of books are

not that it will. stop the show so here she didn't taste it these traditions have a cia bush quote all she'll. go to which she doesn't have time and i know what you mean in a response to your girl in there for sure. want to talk to you sort of these are my it's your bonus for should be. good to mr ellsworth i'm still looking to the spirit for this interview for you both these to teach the student actually the person the person has to be wrong or should stop them spinning. expressed she. joined me every thursday on the alex simon short and i'll be speaking to us in the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then.

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