3 there's been 2 subsequent pandemics 19571968 neither or anywhere is studly as 1918 and then suddenly in 1907 this new flu emerged in hong kong and scientists discovered to their whore that rather than being incubated in a pig or a human being can call infected with several strands of the flu it jumped directly from birds to him and that's mike davis speaking in 25 on the threat of a flu type pandemic killing in the own abreu world his warnings are arguably not taken seriously by policymakers think tanks and politicians is 25 book the monster at our door is now called the monster and is with a brand new preface and he joins me now from los angeles mike welcome to going on the ground you've been on well i understand just take us through how you came to write to the new preface as the full horror of the pandemic became apparent the book you originally. published right out to the

operation in 2003 i think i wrote it in 2005 this is avian flu and at the time it looked like the rule was in a way faced with a pandemic flu the biggest disastrous is the 1980 spanish flu it was warning about the emergence of bird flu there i am told age 5 then one. which had an extraordinarily high rate but since the book was written several newer high it is of influence a equally. and troubling have arisen in on a very limited scale infected humans the spread of an influenza pandemic. is generally is 189-9900 remains absolutely no minute and zooming as samin discussed during a pandemic is the. importance of developing

a universal flu vaccine there attacks the in very in their area parts of the service in of influenza and can give us some unity from every poor even in influenza has we should realise that this is not a pandemic it's the beginning of an age of pandemics. that researchers in china base the institute. that's come under attack from president truman. have genocide mission research and discovery of reserve or the more than $350.00 per pervert $500.00 varieties of viruses all with the potential to china to mammal other mammals and eventually the humans. in china whose name is most the largest group of

merrill's in the world. fly their bats 1500 species about 200 is species have they have been surveyed to some extent or another so there's a whole universe of trona viruses there has well as many other kinds of viruses that. are part of the natural reserve war and it is corporate law again an expansion of clear cut in and agriculture breakdown of barriers between a sunni. animals of the rain forests around the world as we destroy use rain floors were ever increasing the possibility of transmission of viruses and the possibility of new pandemics and you kind of imply there's no cover up when no one else was conceived as concerned as you were the information you say was out there similarly

when hoping told now we live in the age of coronaviruses plural because why because there's no cover up but there's a structural. well one of the things the troubled ministration did and in this country the attack on. research on potentially pandemic diseases and in general one public health started the day or 2 is not your asian is he defunded. in american sponsored program there was an early warning system through the emergence of novel lyra says in diseases in china and in southeast asia. he also of course wired the earth team on the national security council that obama had created in the aftermath of the. it bloweth deadly ebola happy demick in.

west africa. to deal with a pandemic which was universally agree. with any needs ret the united states some other countries i mean the warnings about this since. the beginning of the millennium have been constant the planet. has been kind of their reports have been guarded since it but it's suddenly the united states it seems your country and. most countries of western europe are always planning came to not it was a largely. ignored and now in my country the . president tried has who he says are all on which is a medical spokesman name scott apple as he's a parks news commentator who exactly parrots the line that the tribe in

ministration expresses that mass probably useless schoolchildren don't transmit the earth and to make the test change should be limited to only people in critically endangered groups trump obvious he says things that he says off of the united states doing better and he certainly is doing better than that the united kingdom on deaths per capita well in the case of britain i mean i think. it is now obvious that a deliberate strategy of herd immunity. was followed that the johnson government. deliberately decided to minimize damage to. the economy by letting the disease essentially spread and the catastrophic failure of the u.k. government. to come immediately to the aid of people in senior homes and.

nursing moms nyquist same thing as news sweden which explicitly. herd immunity and behind this there is a kind of. would i would consider an ominous new nazi cancer germs or were told lies unworthy of light and the whole idea that some part of the population is sacrifice that will prove the greater good of the economy through credit diabolic their well obviously we invite the swedish ambassador. to london and on the program sweden did say that they had made some mistakes so that it has any nazi activity and as far as johnson they moved away from her the immunity and there's there presumably going to be a public inquiry here as to what exactly british policy was but more systemically

since you mention the economy rather than just talk about the preventative elements now we have that pandemic. is we to expect pandemics because of capitalism we've now seen. how rapidly the virus can be transmitted around the world but the point is that this resides a very old debate about global health and one side of it was focus and it was represented for instance the 1920 s. and thirty's by the rockefeller foundation which was the largest financier of disease prevention of the global scale and within the british empire and the rockefeller paradigm was not areaway campaigns sargon as pacific at the german or as civic bacteria that. passage out and here this side

repeated where i think it is something social medicine which said that attacking the pathogen alone without attacking the poverty of the population the lack of primary care would always be a put side of the whole and this is could not be more true than. today we see around the world and not only in poor countries whose public help pages. have been ravaged to realign its generation but in the united states and united kingdom we're health care and public health authorities. separate back there to tempt you to plea out to the 2008. economic crisis since visible and most here in trains east asia. has been an exception. just some except for various here is reasons but in the

atlantic not always. will now see the price paid by conservative cisco policies in a new liberal economic so you really think that it's comparable thing in fact that of the 1918 spanish flu famously. spread through the trenches it's comparable to post 2008 infrastructural incapacitation after the bank bailout well the 918 example in ologies percy's hansen way but in 189090 new jersey people know world died of insolence and more than 20 orian died in india and in western india as a result the food elite grain picture and other policies

exported massive amounts. in in grain just feed the indian armies in the field of war. it was associated so food prices rose see people in india the same time there was a drought and a bad cholera epidemic sooty had this huge party lation. who are people with compromised immune systems and i don't bargain that in fact today we have to recognize that some in immunological standpoint newly to humanity's in new u.k. are the united states maybe a 5th of the argue lation. is immunologically compromised it's not just because cancers and diseases but also because of malnutrition co-exists seen sections like hiv but in poor countries in sub-saharan africa and

south asia and many parts of what merican. the majority of the population is 75 percent. is in this position of be gender are true. and demi i should say that they un special rapporteur who talked about increasing malnutrition after $28.00 in britain had he said it was a political decision the british government denied that completely michael stopping that more from mike davis after this prank. or. governors are worth of a person of the 4 who are more there further measures sure. some of the crime. was as a whole for all of us was not a normal function of

a. little. while. the. truth about both of you so. if we was going to use the book with the girls because girls who had those would be was a feasible. but. of course free. welcome back i'm still here with the american scholar who for cost to global zoonotic we transmitted pandemic more than a decade and a half before coronavirus mike davis you say that in the united states where more people are being killed than any other the nation with the most deaths you believe

the john bolton trumps that former national security adviser is key to understanding why pandemic planning went so badly. well bowman's decision was to reorganize pandemic preparedness to fire the crack team that obama had put in place he wanted everything focused on on bio warfare but the larger phenomenon of course is trumps absolute obsession with destroying and dismantling everything that. the previous president of the put in the put in place remember this regime came into power valley to destroy the fordable care or obamacare and is constantly trying to do things like take the budget earth centers for disease control. if you look at this internationally

you see that the media agencies traditionally lead agencies in disease have been marginalized in the view issue as you noted totally marginal. the center for disease control in the united states has had a totally marginal role in the european union where there exists a protocol. for countries to cooperate in responding to transnational disease or soon as totally new or to expose the trouble ministration would say about the cat had many critics left and right and that has many critics as well. of of course but the fundamental problem you are with the job you is sure is in structural this financial countries started pay their dues their w.h.o.

has become totally dependent. on aid coming from a handful of governments and from their former cerebral and history and from a few philanthropy well let's just go to the big pharmaceutical companies because in this book you do talk about the role of private health insurance and big pharmaceutical companies as being malign act as i mean this pandemic why is that well the big pharmaceutical industries. which are always represented as being the main saved towards earth to disease the heroic innovators to earth new vaccines and drugs they become anything but they're in the case united states and through $950.00 s. . the leading force the development of antibiotics for instance was actually armed forces the u.s. army there is an important state rule in other words in the development of new

pharmaceutical treatments put under big pharma. the the profits are made in developing heart medicines or serious fruit erectile disfunction and old men like like me not in developing a new generation of our vanities and above all not in an i vy roles in vaccines which have to develop may only be used to. once so big pharma his coat back massively on on research and spends far more on average tyson and it just doesn't take any leadership in developing. jugs and bank c.d.'s that are not highly profitable but absolutely necessary for societies or home as you know they do devalue that they say they're doing their best they're involved in a new super national initiative against coronavirus just very briefly i did mention

private health insurance you see that is symbiotic with us in october of last year . the council of economic advisers issued a report on possible demick. it is already seen as is imminent in it they point out and advise the president that big pharma will be incapable of meeting. the challenge of a pandemic prove precisely the absence of a strong profit motive in developing a nano by rules and in back scenes this is would every big pharma says especially big knowledge by why the government or new cures might in egypt. critics of big pharma private health care a chorus is led to new reasons of americans tens of millions of americans without

health care and that number is dramatically increased to poor is as people have lost their jobs in july base. health insurance and i think this sanders campaign really sent to skinny was absolutely correct to put the universal health care bridge at the forefront of the campaign and then is actually massive support of you may think it's a minority decision. which if you're on the news but survey after survey shows that a to 70 percent of americans just really want some form of single payer. healthcare which of course it was or course by project that he wanted but in the book you also talk about the c.d.c. is this not just all private bad the public the c.d.c. with such a reputation around the world for disease control in the united states and around

the world they rejected the w h o developed covert testing kit that shocked you. yeah it is it is shocking they also had another alternative which was the other test kit insists sensually 3 separate ters and they could eliminate the flawed 3rd tears and so had a viable so why would they have done the well that's a very interesting question they were defending true the problem with the tears was it was actually contamination in their own production lines in georgia the c.d.c. totally. loses and losing through 4 weeks of testing allowed the disease to grow exponentially so and marge who started off with a handful of untested cases by the end of march it was increasing exponentially or over. there were several $100000.00 cases of

it's continued to urge to grow hair in that the c.d.c. is obviously we invite them on and there they say they're doing everything by the board who also actually talk about the fame thing happening with the immunity test i understand but the p.p.a. catastrophe you blame jared kushner and vice president pat. yes. and in many others earn including. tony. who has true liberal americans in fact are majority americans because the the good doctor on this part talking in truth so long as it's now sit back at the end of 0 year it was showing people absolutely no need so where were mass in the lead medieval samus because. the drastic shortage of protective

years through hospital were his decisions in nurses but the point is he lied to the american public and this initial blue city campaign to discourage people from going out and trying to buy only mass is said to her alone lansing in very bitter effect well thought out to fatty obviously a hero to liberal media played by brad pitt in saturday night live with the deny anything he did was against clinical procedure and best interests of the american people what do you make of the fact they don't no one seems to really be talking about something like factory farming we had dr rob wallace he was telling us about the relationship between factory farming and coronavirus why do you think that's just not the subject of debate about when it comes to coronavirus in public discourse in nato nations. that of course is in part made in the largest

for the the problem with the democratic party and the ad measures it takes around issues of public health in the origination of epidemic. diseases because instead the endemic threat can be kind of triangulated 2 to 3 things one is factory farming the urbanization super sation of animals that maximizes. the probability of a viral evolution and transmission the 2nd is the old still destruction of the natural or it's the who traditionally isolated us from these enormous by rumors of wars. and wild animal populations but the 3rd part and the most

important has been the constant reduction of public in basic elp budgets. across the world i mean many african countries only have a beer or some once of public service some why sierra leone not at all which is why the ball spread so rapidly a few years ago the in in western africa so each each point on their trying will have to see each side has to be in the address and into we see that in reinvesting in basic healthcare. is the absolute a purty. we're going to see. you should intermix. in a sense repeating their accents are not the solution

a weapon is the solution out so on each of these 3 points open socialized a ripple through the destruction truck wars in this investment is basically you know you're just very briefly america since you are speaking to us from los angeles and you are the greatest chronicler of it sir history i better ask you even though tens of thousands upon tens of thousands are being killed in your country by covert what you've made of the this incarnation of the civil rights struggle the black lives matter protests raging across the united states. well look after bernie sanders concession to joe biden. tens of thousands of young activist ideal words were basically lurked in the desert . who told the bully all you should do is going out there getting people minute to vote and this rebellious generation in a sense was saved by

a black clients matter. and. it spins on a shooting movement i can't really think of it there are in terms of its rapid development who could have. that the question basic fundamental question and it's. about all these thing in the need for policing. would have been put on international agenda and you know to look for those who are seen on once in impossible so the black lights natter protests in addition to reminding us that civil rights have been under relentless attorney for the republicans. for 2 decades or to create a template for resistance and a far broader scale one of the things that i've been most concerned is the rule of unions in. chance to develop

a new strategy to run. in a dangerous conditions the so-called this essential work force in the health care workers is absolutely outrageous the other day a. report from the nurses. united national nurses you know sounded one 3rd of the nurses nicklin 3 still alive you know access to protect the. gear they should add to the end i need on my. math so months later on stage months into. memory that program unit is yet to be so well donald trump says he's protecting the most vulnerable mike davis thank you that fate for the show will be back on wednesday 47 yesterday the cia station chile received guidance from black to establish contact with military offices to overthrow democratically elected president salvador allende in 911 washington back until that can save and join the other grabbing for that sound

cloud instagram a facebook. but the pandemic no certainly no borders that is blocking to nationalities. that. has emerged on top of the we don't actually. meet. people. judging. coming crisis we. want to see we can do better we should. everyone is contributing each of our own way but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever the challenges created with the response has been masked so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that clearing it together.

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