i mastered hands in this is going underground from a country the politicians are telling us is getting back to normal as it like the rest of the world braces for a potentially devastating 2nd wave of coronavirus this november it's a pandemic that will disproportionately kill the west off in society once called for cost to global food like pandemic it's $1.00 of the causes and it's profound effects as mike davis known for his devastating critique of capitalist urban development city of cortes excavating the future of los angeles here he is 15 years ago and why should be we be so worried about it is east which is infected under $200.00 people killed less than a how did we live in a world where millions of people die every year from the laryea tuberculosis hiv and the answer of course is the experience of humanity in 24 weeks and 1018 went between 40 and a 100000000 people died of a pandemic influenza this is the greatest mortality at that and human history there have been 2 subsequent pandemics 19571968 neither were anywhere as steadily

as 1918 and then suddenly in 1997 this new flu emerged in hong kong and scientists discovered to their horror that rather than being incubated in a pig or a human being can call infected with several strands of the flu it jumped directly from birds to humans that's mike davis speaking in 25 on the threat of a flu type pandemic a thing in the own abreu world his warnings are arguably not taken seriously by policymakers think tanks and politicians is 25 book the monster at our door is now called the monster and is with a brand new preface and he joins me now from los angeles mike welcome to going on the ground you've been on well i understand just take us through how you came to write to the new preface as the full horror of the pandemic we came up aaron's the book the regional. published right out to the

operation in 2003 i think i wrote it in 2005 this is avian flu and at the time it looked like who's in a way faced with a pandemic flu the biggest disastrous is the 1980 spanish flu it was warning about the emergence of bird flu of their own called $85.00 n one. which had an extraordinary high rate but since the book was written several newer high it is of influence say equally. and troubling have arisen in on a very limited scale infected humans the threat of an influenza pandemic. is generally is 189900 remains absolutely a minute and zooming as i'm in discovering a pandemic here is the. importance of developing

a universal flu vaccine their attacks the in very in their area parts of the service in of influenza and could give a sim unity from every poor even in influenza his we should realize that this is not a pandemic it's the beginning of an age of pandemics. that researchers in china face at the institute. that's come under attack from president truman. have done a service in research and discovery of reserve or the more than $350.00 per pervert $500.00 varieties of viruses all with the potential to china to mammal other mammals and eventually the humans. in china whose name is most the largest food merrill's in the world. fly their bats 1500

species about 200 is feces have now been surveyed to some extent or another so there's a whole universe of trona viruses there as well as many other kinds of viruses that. are part of the natural reservoir and it is corporate law again an expansion of clear cut in and agriculture breakdown of barriers between a sunni. animals of the rain forests around the world as we destroy israel floors were ever increasing the possibility of transmission of viruses and the possibility of new pandemics and you kind of imply that there's no cover up when no one else was conceived as concerned as you were the information you say was out there

similarly we're not being told now we live in the age of coronaviruses plural because why because there's no cover up but there's a structural well one of the things the troubled ministration did and in this country the attack on. research on potentially pandemic diseases and in general one public help started the day or 2 is not your asian is he defunded. in american sponsored program there was an early warning system through the emergence of novel lyra says in diseases in china and in southeast asia. he also of course fired the bird team on the national security council that obama had created in the aftermath of the. blow it deadly ebola happy demick in.

west africa. to deal with a pandemic which it was universally agreed. was any need threat the united states some other countries i mean the warnings about this since. the beginning of the millennia have been constant the planet. has been kind of their reports have been guarded since it but it's suddenly united states that soon your country and. most countries of western europe are always planning came to not it was largely. ignored and now in my country the. president tried has who it is desirable on which is a medical spokesman name scott apple as he's a parks news commentator who exactly parrots the line that the tribe in

ministration expresses that mass probably useless schoolchildren don't transmit the earth and to make the testing should be limited to only people in critically endangered groups from obvious he says things that he says off of the united states doing better and he certainly is doing better than the united kingdom on deaths per capita well in the case of britain i mean i think . it is so obvious that a deliberate strategy of herd immunity. was followed that the johnson government. deliberately decided to minimize damage to. the economy by letting the disease essentially spread and the catastrophic failure of the u.k. government. to come immediately to the aid of people in senior homes and.

nursing moms nyquist same thing as news sweden which explicitly. ducted herd immunity and behind this there is a kind of. would i would consider anomalous new nazi cancer germs or were told lies unworthy of light and the whole idea that some part of the population is sacrifice that will prove the greater good of the economy through credit diabolical their well obviously we invite the swedish ambassador. to london and on the program sweden did say that they had made some mistakes so that it has any nazi activity and as far as johnson they moved away from her the immunity and there's presumably going to be a public inquiry here as to what exactly british policy was but more systemically since you mention the economy rather than just talk about the preventative elements

now we have that pandemic. is. we to expect pandemics because of capitalism we've now seen. how rapidly the virus can be transmitted around the world but the point is that this resides a very old debate about global health and one side of it was focusing on was represented for instance the 19th twenty's and thirty's by the rockefeller foundation which was the large is the financier of disease prevention of the global scale and within the british empire and the rockefeller paradigm was not areaway campaigns sargon as pacific at the german or as civic bacteria that. passage out and here this side repeated where

i think it is something social medicine which said that attacking the pathogen alone without attacking the poverty of the population the lack of primary care would always be a put side of the whole and this is could not be more true than. today we see around the world and not only in poor countries whose public help pages. have been ravaged to realign its generation but in the united states and united kingdom were health care and public health authorities. separate back their peer attempt to clear out to the 2008. economic crisis since visible and most here in. the east asia. has been an exception. just some except for various here is reasons but in the atlantic

not always and we now see the price paid by conservatives here so policies in a new liberal economic so you really think that it's comparable thing in fact that of the 1918 spanish flu famously. spread through the trenches it's comparable to post 2008 infrastructural incapacitation after the bank bailout well the 918 example in ologies series handsome way but in 189090 new jersey people know world died of insolence and more than 20 orian died in india and in western india as a result the food elite grain picture and other policies exported massive amounts. in in grain just feed the indian armies

in the field through war. it was associated so food prices rose see people in india the same time there was a drought and bad cholera epidemic sooty had this huge population. or people with compromised immune systems and i am argue that in sac today we have to recognize that some in immunological standpoint newly to communities in the u.k. or the united states maybe a 5th of that are you lay should. is immunologically compromised it's not just because cancers and diseases but also because of malnutrition co-exists seen sections like hiv but in poor countries in sub-saharan africa and

south asia and many parts of wide merican. the majority of the population 75 percent. is in this position of be gender are true. and demi i should say that the un special rapporteur who talked about increasing malnutrition up to $28.00 in britain he said it was a political decision the british government denied that completely michael stopping that more from mike davis after this break. or. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and obviously to get out of the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see that.

welcome back i'm fair here with the american scholar who forecast a global zoonotic lee transmitted pandemic more than a decade and a half before coronavirus mike davis you say that in the united states where more people are being killed than any other that the nation with the most deaths you believe the john bolton trumps and that former national security adviser is key to understanding why the pandemic planning went so badly well bullmoose decision was to reorganize endemic preparedness to fire the crack team that obama had put in ways he wanted everything focused on bio warfare but the larger phenomenon. is trump's absolute obsession with destroying and dismantling

everything that. the previous president who didn't. put in place remember this regime into power down going to destroy the fordable care or obamacare and is trance which way to do things like that the budget the centers for disease control. if you look at this internationally you see that the lead agencies traditionally lead agencies in disease have been marginalized and the view issue is how to totally marginal who are all the center for disease control in the united states has had a totally the marginal role in the european union where there exists a protocol. for countries to cooperate in responding to transnational disease or soon as totally new or so it has

a driver ministration would say about a cat had many critics left and right and that has many critics as well. of of course but the fundamental problem you are with the job you is sure is in structural this financial countries started pay their dues their dirty ratio has become totally dependent. on aid coming from a handful of governments and from the pharmaceutical industry and from a few philanthropy well let's just go to the big pharmaceutical companies because in this book you do talk about the role of private health insurance and big pharmaceutical companies as being maligned actors i mean this pandemic was that well the big pharmaceutical industries. which are always represented as being the main sage towards earth to disease the heroic innovators

who urge new vaccines in the end drugs they become anything but in the case united states and through $950.00 s. . the leading force the development of antibiotics for instance was actually the armed forces the us army there is an important state rule in other words in the development of new pharmaceutical treatments put under big pharma. the the profits are made in developing heart medicines or serious fruit erectile disfunction and old men like like me not in developing a new generation of inner vanities and above all not in an eye virals in vaccines which we have to develop may only be used to. once so big pharma his coat back massively on on research and spends far more on average

tyson and it just doesn't take any leadership in developing. jugs and bank c.d.'s that are not highly profitable but absolutely necessary for societies or home as you know they do deny that they say they're doing their best they're involved in a new super national initiative against coronavirus just very briefly i did mention private health insurance you see that is symbiotic with us in october of last year . the council of economic advisers issued a report on possible demick. it is already seen as is imminent in it they point out and advise the president that big pharma will be incapable of meeting. the challenge of a pandemic prove precisely the absence of a strong profit motive in developing

a nano by rules and in back scenes this is would every big pharma says essentially bit of knowledge by by the government or new cures might in egypt. critics of big pharma private health care a chorus is led to new reasons of americans tens of millions of americans without health care and that number has dramatically increased to poor is as people have lost their jobs and job base. health insurance and i think this sanders campaign really sent to skinny was absolutely correct to put. universal health care bridge at the forefront of the campaign and then is actually massive support of you may think it's a minority position. which if you're on the news but survey after survey shows that or to 70 percent of americans just really want some form of single payer. health

care which of course was of course by reject that he wanted but in the book you also talk about the c.d.c. is this not just all private bad the public the c.d.c. with such a reputation around the world for disease control in the united states and around the world they rejected the w h o developed covert testing kit that shocked you. yeah it is it is shocking they also had another alternative which was the other test kit consists of sensually 3 separate ters and they could eliminate the flawed 3rd tears and so had a viable so why would they have done the well that's a very interesting question they were defending true the problem with the chairs was it was actually contamination in their own production lines in georgia

the c.d.c. totally. loses and losing through 4 weeks of testing allowed the disease to grow exponentially so and marge who started off with a handful of untested cases by the end of march it was increasing exponentially or over. there are several 100000 cases of it's continued to urge to grow hair in that the c.d.c. is obviously we invite them on and there they say they're doing everything by the board who also actually talk about the fame thing happening with the immunity test i understand but the p.p.a. catastrophe you blame jared kushner and vice president pat. yes. and in many others earn including. tony fauci who has true liberal americans in fact are majority

americans because the the good doctor on this part talking in truth so long as it's now see back at the end of 0 year it was showing people absolutely no need so where were mass and he later admitted he views same as because. the drastic shortage of protective gear through hospital were decisions in nurses but the point is he lied to the american public and this initial blue city campaign to discourage people from going out and trying to buy only mass is said to her alone lansing in very bitter effect where the doctor fatty obviously a hero to liberal media played by brad pitt in saturday night live with to deny anything he did was against clinical procedure and best interests of the american

people what do you make of the fact they don't no one seem to really be talking about something like factory farming we had talked to rob wallace he was telling us about the relationship between factory farming and coronavirus why do you think that's just not the subject of debate about when it comes to coronavirus in public discourse in nato nations. that of course is in part made in the largest for the the problem with the democratic party and the app measures it takes around issues of public health in the origination of epidemic. diseases because instead the endemic threat can be kind of triangulated 2 to 3 things one is factory farming the urbanization super sation of animals that maximizes. the probability of

a viral evolution and transmission the 2nd is the old still destruction of the natural or it's there who traditionally isolated us from these enormous by rumors of wars. and wild animal populations but the 3rd part and the most important has been the constant reduction of public in basic help budgets. across the world i mean many african countries only have a beer or some once of public service some why sierra leone not at all which is why the ball spread so rapidly a few years ago. in in western africa so each each point on their trying will have to see each side has to be in the address and into we see that in reinvesting in basic healthcare. it's the

absolute a purty. we're going to see. future appeared to mix. in a sense repeating that scenes are not the solution a weapon the solution how so lie on each of these 3 points of insertion lies to a ripple through the destruction truck wars in this investment in basic you know just very briefly america since you are speaking to us from los angeles and here are the greatest chronicler of its history i better ask even though tens of thousands upon tens of thousands are being killed in your country by covert what you are made of in this incarnation of the civil rights struggle of black lives matter protests raging across the united states look after bernie sanders concession to joe biden. tens of thousands of

young activist ideal words were basically lurked in the desert the. told that really all you should do is going out there any people other militant vote in this rebellious generation's sense was saved by clients matter. and. it's been a. movement i can't really think of it there are in terms of its rapid development who could have we that the question basic fundamental well question ans. about all these thing in the need to please him. it would have been put on international agenda and you know to look for that serious scene on once in impossible so the black lights natter protests in addition to reminding us that civil rights have been under relentless attack for

the republicans. for 2 decades or to create a template for resistance and a far broader scale one of the things that i've been most concerned is the rule of unions in. chancy developing a strategy around. new dangerous conditions this so called this essential work force in the health care workers is absolutely out reaches the other day. a report from the nurses. united national nurses you sounded one 3rd of the nurses nicklin 3 still lack access to protect the. gear they should add to the end i need on i. math so months later on stage months into. it to memory that program unit is yet to be sold well donald trump says he's

protecting the most vulnerable mike davis thank you that fit for the show will be back on wednesday 47 years to the day the cia station chile received guidance from black to establish contact with military offices to overthrow democratically elected president salvador allende in 911 washington back until that could save and join the on the ground for the south platte instagram a facebook. showing during a recession is tough and to do it successfully you need c.r.m. tricks $24.00 has a leading c.r.m. system. that organizes your customer database identifies the best clients and helps you 5 new ones. use the built in c.r.i.

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