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so i was. an incredible amount of passion and energy in your music and in your art and that really comes through and someone watches you perform like we just did i'm really truly inspirational so i really want to start with asking you who is the. defy the music producer artist educator from albuquerque new mexico representing the dinette nation defies also if you broke it break it down into acronym could be definitely eternal or def eternal forever inferno or definitely eternal forever internal short for definition rare. if you look at a sonically hi fi lo fi and somewhere in there's 5 or to defy defied . began probably in my middle school time and i've stuck with the name ever since

so what like what was your inspiration and experience that. led you to bring in you know hip hop spoken word hip hop and traditional native american culture together in your are like what brought those 2 forces together. i think it would be a combination of live in an urban and rural area and environments as a youth wasn't raised primarily i'm from a traditional side nor. you know the other side of things so basically. as a youth my grandparents on my maternal side they really instilled a lot of wisdom when i was at a lesson my mother also taught me how to read and write before i could walk so they gave me a good leading start to begin with in middle school i'd say about that time i got introduced to hip hop culture as far as like the b. boy b. girl cipher circuit i seen a direct similarities and connection between hip hop culture and my traditional culture as

a dinette person and that both of those connections led me to kind of combine both together what were the similarities of your for instance as a dinette person we have for clans were very natural in the old culture and our reservation is surrounded by 4 sacred mountains for sacred directions a lot of these numbers stood out to me and for the hip hop the 4 main elements to it. one of the main connections that really led me to become connected with hip hop is. the philosophies too as well like our people were not very judgmental as much for the most part in hip hop kind of was and is a universal culture to me so without having to look at someone's skin tones hip hop practitioner can practice the ceremonies and i feel like that was inviting for me a lot of times it was hard to find acceptance growing up there in new mexico where i'm from so hip hop was there so i always carry my cultural heritage with me. you

know it's interesting you you raised over a 1000000 dollars a big number you raised the room 1000000 dollars to help the water protectors of standing rock when that went down what was your inspiration for stepping forward and saying you know what i'm going to use my arm to use who i am and what i do to raise money for those people out there putting you know put their lives on the line it's very wrong. you know i was a part of the fund raising i didn't do it entirely myself i've got to give credit to the collective crew family was you say of. hip hop practitioners people who are just there to help and we all together fundraise over a 1000000 dollars in one night hip hop concert by texting water at this certain number you able to leave a monetary donation just a little back story with that but i started out as a battle rapper 1st and i've seen the entertainment value side of that but after a while i realized that i could apply myself in much more useful ways are much more impactful ways rather than battling someone's head to head why not try to go

towards a system instead and try to wake up in the fire the system sort of speak and. that's kind of how defy started i did a song when i 1st was inspired as these hydraulic fracturing zones were getting closer and closer to my homeland where my grandparents are from and some nasty new mexico it's very rural at that point in time i realize that i needed to apply myself as an emcee a music producer towards a much larger issues at hand engine battle rap so i stepped outside of the box and wrote this song called the land of in frack me and that's kind of a flip on the on the slogan of our stay and just to expose and also raise awareness of all these atrocities that are happening through hydraulic fracturing zones in our areas and from that point on i've just been helping hand as part of the many different movements for the indigenous peoples movement and many others as well but probably the most that was a that was a beginning you know what. you're hearing your music and like i mentioned earlier

that passion that you have that like just bleeds out of every every verse every bar every word i really want is like how do you sit down when you sit down the writers write a song you know like what is that process for you when you sit down and say ok you know i'm going to write about this issue of fracking or i'm just going to you know write some fire to get people jumping up and down like what how do you tackle that how do you approach each song each song is kind of approach very differently but for the most part i'm writing my lyrics behind the driver's seat i know it's a little risky but when i'm mad it's very rural areas i can drive out and enjoy the scenery. and be out of the city put on a instrumental usually the beep guides 1st take out my beats through different producers go from there and so you're literally like right behind the wheel the car in that beautiful new mexico you know that contains a painted sky in landscape and it does signal like listen an exam and write them

out yeah exactly a lot of times off freestyle to think of the ideas and then just put it down on paper. who are some of your inspirations and you're part of. many inspirations i guess from a youth the 1st hip hop song i probably would have heard was probably a run d.m.c. or chill raji track and as far as emceeing goes there's so many different amazing talented mcs that have inspired me to name a few. big pine big. care as one percy p. . micah 9 a free stuff fellowship evidence the dilated peoples those are very influential artists and that's a good variety of and you can see that not reflected in your work and said so glad you don't feel bad but you can definitely feel that the style you know and i think you know one of the things that's interesting too is your work you work a lot with young people you know and. you know how. as your work with those young

people how it was that inspired the music and the art that you create the youth a voice inspired me since the beginning and especially when times when i guess an artist may get tired of war now from trying to continue working with the youth has been very inspirational because they provide so much support 1st of all they keep things brand new and fresh for me i don't get worn out or i don't complain a lot a lot of people say like how do you keep going and not complaining about being on the road all the time. just going back home and doing youth outreach it just makes me i guess happy true happiness by working with the youth i was always raised in a classroom setting i come from a family of educators and healers so i've always been in the classroom since i was a kid my mom has been a teacher in a big inspiration for that so when people ask why are you so connected to that it was it's just kind of just who i am and was brought up that way and raised that way . working with the youth also gives me

a sense of purpose that's much deeper than. working for just myself for what would you say monetary gain or certain things like that or some artist going for the fame like that's never really been a focus of mine but. hip-hop practitioners and see i feel like i have a responsibility to give back and that's what i really focus on that it's a big focus of part of my mission couldn't afford the jaw a magazine 44 and a 4th that john ordered schoolboy in a boarding school forced the move got chores and more sports in a dorm but only one course of fire chief kept the wood burning before morning outside the outhouse early at 440 past the sheep rug on the floor by the door in the dormitory escaped with corporate doors and explore pony here to take it back home because ya not a present to scrub the present not your face and scrape the white the residue resume like beams of people resonate with resolute. able to cope with all the pain that we saw in the next generations of welcome but before the preservation was

a home you know the nation was stolen but i'm in a sweat lodge see in a vision it's like i'm back out the womb dreaming that grandmother moon in the fetal position.

you just have to fly between 2 kinds of slow and as fast as you get. so much because i was watching the producer with the focus for the. first massless nature 1st the mother nature of. the engine must always impose the sense of course water rushes in racing is competition in the extreme to have a full use the specified routes between the planes when the fastest time just to get a little dog loses nothing because you're going to get there which you should check traditionally plus low showed their units.

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that you would still. know. how. to describe. a lot of people. who are part of the population here in the united states who are part of the native american tribes you know. there's a lot of misconceptions out there you know. what do you feel. people have about your culture and where you're coming from. far away from home and sometimes. beings in certain instances not everywhere but there are some places. and just take

. some type of. people who believe that. kind of people i mean there's so many different here in the country and we're all very different a lot of times people you know we're sitting here at a bar a lot of times people think that we're just. i've been over like 6 years alcohol free in life there's many of us who never even drank or did drugs before so that's another misconception people believe that we're all poor but we're really we're very rich in culture tradition cultural heritage a lot of people also believe that every tribe gets per capita are like we we're helped out are like where we get a helping hand no matter what was really not the case sometimes when you come to the deep parts of the reservations or the most rural areas i think a lot of people in music they only see the big names in the big lights right like they're only used to see in the cat on the m.t.v.

or the cat on the cover of a magazine things like that but that it's a bigger world than that i've heard you describe sort of like you know if you become in it if i don't artist at a certain time you can you know either be in it for monetary gain and be like this was to be considered as a rapper but i consider myself more as and see and i think that allows myself to be more community based and not a self-serving entrepreneur more like you know i'm here of service as well for. representing myself my family my friends but also the culture of hip hop and that sense of pride in me being proud of who i am as an as and in that manner and also as and see it gives me strength but also gives me direction to what i'm actually doing here with the music hip hop is. save my life so. me being me being part of the culture is like just i mean i want to contribute just

as much as i can chip pop is helping me so when they sort of surgery life like how did hip hop save your life. here bob saved my life. through the friendships and bonds and through the practice of itself i feel like as i was working on these skills the skills were also working on me to become a better person and started out as a homeless artist and if it was. for the hip hop community or the hip hop scene at that time i wouldn't have had a place to stay i wouldn't have had. food and just basic survival needs so the hip hop community has been there for me since day one and what advice would you give you know old or younger person in similar shoes to. find that spirit finds that voice through music. for myself i mean. our tribe deals with a lot of inner generational trauma or trauma that. historical trauma if you'd say

and. a big part of me growing as an artist was realizing that i had to accept my uniqueness as a virtue and. actualize myself in a community to help me reach for much more potential than i would if i didn't believe in myself so it really took me believing in myself and loving myself from there like things branched out but. i would encourage anyone out there who has it as a positive outlet of expression self-expression to continue with that and don't stop . was people turned out like that because people brag about how to get out of pocket my guess is it has to be good but the but. they get the baby respect those that

came before it set you. straight and i half way to my pride made it sound as though . my ancestors made half what have they said this now is the downgrade it. was a lab ask me to have some powwow south some brass us to our ground is crap black is black. that said the made up of you because you're a. guy you'll be found wow like they don't want to see the hunger i don't want. one of them robert raben people how much different things with the plot of land but i got i hustled off a couple grand scale misratah i'm loving what i mean i'm a fan of up man up a man. doesn't help us if we just take you down to teach us to stress about this stuff that. that's just ahead of the tracks just of success rates because they control that to be torn up on the press just just like just water freezes testes

water plants as they took off is not something i try to put this sort of magic back that's like to make these plastic ones that you want to present the street head up but don't get caught up in a trap that's somewhat doubtful because our style they've been based in it's at the foot of the market milk with the baggage and a satellite truck is no surprise that is the deal is still spinning in its populace the box they could give up in a big dish to distract if they don't mind is very hysterical times are better prepared but if i shared with that you might say never your flight back to the hocks the same rock with all that finishing up and this little. you do have. you know political nature what you're talking about because i think a lot of what you rub about a lot of what you're songs about you know they like you mentioned were like fracking and things like that you know you put those those flavors in there how important is music to changing. politics or changing in issue or attacking an issue or maybe people aware of an issue like how important is music to

. feel like music can inspire and empower many people and i feel like if the messages there that. or you look at it like the last song that you did for like the last song that you did for us that's such an enlightening song and it's such a powerful song using the mix of you know your. heritage your people as well as that drum beat that hip hop flavor in the archipelago you know you know that song has about that song teachers as a tribal person you kind of grow up loving the environment and that's it that's inside you already and still so. doesn't make you a politician sort of speak but the issues that politics that you know surround it they directly relate to our lives and way to life so. it's a responsibility for me to create music that. inspires and helps empower others because i was just inspired and empowered from hearing music from

a lot of the greats and legends of the hip hop pioneers is that it's a continuation if you're right you know it's a beautiful continuation. i want to finish up and ask you you know when you look at your career and you look at where you're going you know you're only 33 years old you've got a long career in front of you got a lot more music to write a lot more beauty to produce on this world what do you what do you imagine or what do you hope your legacy years with your music and who you are. and i got it's fired from reading something i think from kara's one or somewhere where he's making music for the future generations creating a catalog that can last and also transcend generations i would like for my music to help inspire future generations and also help anybody in need who. who feels alone or phil's. depressed i mean. i make music just to help

a lot and i do make music just the likes i do have tracked i just did fire not really. just focus on a specific concept but it's hard to see the ripple effects of us sometimes because we're just moving and moving and moving and moving i hope to look back one day and be able to. thrive with my music career but also really it's want to give back tenfold as much as i received i mean. i've seen my hip hop has been there since the beginning so it's hard for me to say what i really want out of it it's hard to describe man i just sometimes that the music speaks for itself. and that ladies and gentlemen is our show for you to day thank you all very much for watching and remember in this world we are not told that we are loved enough so i tell you all i love you i am tyrrel but keep on watching those hawks and have a great day and night everybody.

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