supporters around the world here are a few who have spoken to us here on going on the ground it would be a criminal act on the part of the british government to exceed to the us then an extradition. would be should they've already committed many crimes. assizes offense is not being bill 'd and if he's extra good it comes up for trial on the us as spinoza's laws which even carry a potential death. trial is being. committed the crime of letting the general population know things that they have a right to know that powerful states don't want them to know anyone who exposes misconduct is not a terrorist i mean julian assange says never threatened anyone he has never committed a violent trying he's never stratton's to commit one. and he's

exposed oftener and so i think we should be grateful that we know that these things and states should be grateful that senator hold up those people to account that. war when he leaks has done an incredible job. hopefully you know to say will be solved but it's and same situation you've committed no crime. here all political and i wouldn't support him. for i think you're an incredible story for why don't we have to support him in every way the parents i'm going to have a lot less and on the right but right now look at the case of julian assad i've got a month to concrete a man with. cruelty to put such cruelty a course that can treat. cruelty. is quite capable of

a form of cruelty in no problem policy but the most important information that we truly in the sciences fellow citizens of the globe need is information about the secret malfeasance and wrongdoing of our governments which are legit. and truly in the sarge along with chelsea manning and edward snowden and the other whistleblowers down the years of the heroes who helped us to gain some of the knowledge that the powers that be would keep secret if they could support whistleblowers as truth tellers to have a government after all it's it's extraordinary to be up against that even boris johnson who was the most ruthless likely journalist to understand if you will agree to what do you consider asking you to do i mean to did craig's jewelry mr druce

exposed cripes to margaret couldn't face ms looks 1st of those things with the united states student americans are already upset washington is so good any form. of the us constitution doesn't apply to them so they're going big anyone out. here. to washington to be trying since most governments do the bidding and eat when people don't go out. and so all and so on your radio show you made your make many mistakes but huge day in march when the contribution used to make us aware of the extent to which we drove many poorly and so on it's so wonderful to meet the best face of joining the us both google is just a bright guy. n h j

a soon as i started to hear about it were happily forward that it would end this way. the idea of somebody who says there's all this stuff that's hidden from you and i'm going to show you i'm going to give it to you left right and center. is the kind of person i've always wanted to see you know what i've always i've always felt that was so much that we just don't know about and here's somebody who's kind of put me in the public domain one finger really upsets me is that. we don't hear about all of the stuff that they're putting out i saw a film of american soldiers shooting innocent people in the street this is big news these are the kinds of things that the people of my country the people who were should know about these are the kind of things that these people get up to some of the supporting julian assange jersey faces extradition to the united states there

as to the hearing itself his final word with those arguably on the front line of the battle for british and global press freedom i'm going underground social media producer part of it and today we're outside the old bailey in london by julian assange is the wiki leaks founder is arguably in the pipe or is the life why he faces the 1st day of his u.s. electrician hearing trial if he is actually right to the united states he faces a 175 years in a supermax prison behind me are many of his supporters and there are some big names out here today who are backing the wiki leaks founder i'm going to be looking to talk to some of them 1st they are themselves actually trial waters journalists are just condition he's been tortured according to the u.n. of course he's been tortured and he is not in a good place that's all i can say we heard in the last administration very serious condition has deteriorated like for of course today is the 1st ever trial what are your expectations as been allegations of bias from the court judges. is there any hope now that has come to the old bailey and we just have to cling to the hope that my. patients are low but i demand justice and wish you told him and the justice in

this case the abuse of process that been seen in this case up till now it is absolutely horrific it's been piling up in the years and the months leading up to this day there's been spying on legally privileged communication there's been stealing of material and 3 weeks ago the americans just threw into this court a totally new document an indictment that totally changes the narrative and julian is supposed to have 3 weeks to prepare for that and his lawyers will the americans have been cooking this up in a 10 year process this is absurd it should be thrown out and if it's not thrown out today it will be an abuse of process and an abuse against the rights of julian assange say the stars course where you don't want to go where german sanchez i

should i said where i would put the fight go from the potentially this is only one battle in the war here in this court there will be appeals if he loses here we'll take it up to the supreme court we will do everything in our power to stop this extradition because there's so much at stake not just the life of julian assange but the future of journalism as i've been covering the german fans process of the last year calling to every quarter that i've seen the process stronger having seen the same thing around the world a support growing for german fans and even the momentum is growing in his favor i think the momentum is really coming to his favor and we're seeing that in the next you have journalists that are starting to wake up to what is at stake because it's their future their job security their right to report on national security issues when it pertains united states the president of this case is starting to sink in and we should all be of afraid all journalists should be afraid of what's happening here so much. and just finally some outlets are doubling down. on all of the same

as against events on for example washington post in a recent article so called when he leaks a russian decimation outlook what do you say to all of that all the other guys the germans on to the russian agent it's an absurd and it's a reflection of the new cold war that we are seeing live being blown up i mean. the fleet is also cold an anti secrecy organization what is that it's the play off we're doing a cold transparency international anti-secrecy organization we're fighting for trust total transparency just like every journalist should do in this world dossier of journalism has actually been trialled has been on our show saying that there was been a lot of bias against us all from judge for rights are any hope now for more impartiality now that we've called the old bailey well as christine just said we can't depend on hope but. there is enormous pressure for justice and look at the people around here he told jane he really and is now at the center

of an international struggle for justice so i do think that if this court. allows the extradition of julian. it will go to appeal and i'm reasonably hopeful that it's tight appeal. that. used to be called british justice my profile i think most people are now intensely angry that this huge miscarriage of justice. has now found its way to the old bailey to the central criminal court to be. presided over by a system but israel. not given truly any justice would go so the last one that i spoke to you were inside about a cage of the canary but your limits on what the football symbolizes not known about. they said we had

a goal post. the fight that the courts. have been played football with the state. and to every time they try to trap scores of goals they have no case whatsoever against changing the law and then seeing the rules moving the goal posts they still. together but they will never know because there's so. it's. will find him guilty. this is what we face the consequences will be if. the united states will forever be a shining. people if they're still alive because we face mass extinction.

on the. truth do you have any hope for the british justice system will prevent. the snow listen to public opinion public opinion changing in favor of judean the sound stage the boy if. they don't give a shit about that. they do what they want this is the problem of course he would be free. as it has no there's no case against it. in fact and yes they have a balance even without such case they will find him guilty. because. that's why we wear these bags over all heads because that's what's happened to it just stays in the bag those are some of the biggest names down here once a photo shoot it was solved football coverage of general songs like make sure to say if you're going on a. social media producer find out with their well we've invited the u.k. government to appear. on the program or provide us with

a statement they haven't got back to us yet but they've said in the past that they disagree with a number of the observations by the un ruppert there on torture who detailed what he saw as torture of julian assange belmarsh prison the government also said judges are impartial and independent from government with any judgement based solely on the facts of the case and the a political lord of course u.k. prime minister boris johnson has previously said it's only right that julie innocence finally faces justice join us after the break as we speak to a man who knows all about wrongful detention talk to use of salaam one of the exonerated central park 5 you spent almost 7 years in juvenile detention for a crime he didn't commit and whose story is dramatized in netflix's award winning show when they see us.

on the pandemic no certainly no border to nationalities. as america. we took a back seat. to. judge a. commentary this is the sentence. we can do better we should. everyone is contributing each of their own way but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever the challenges created with the response has been massive so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we are in it together.

so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy on sunday shouldn't let it be an arms race in. spearing dramatic development only i'm going to exist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. i feel. you just have to fly between 2 things and as fast as you can. do much any closer to the producers would push for the good. natured person rather. than. the original stories impersonal. force moral russians in racing use competition in the extreme to have a full use the specified routes between the lines with the fastest time just.

law school should be there really for you to. welcome back while julian assad's fights for his life in london over the next 4 weeks other any lessons to be learned from the wrongful conviction of the 1990 central park 5 they won the largest of a payout in new york state history 41000000 dollars in the story's been dramatise in that flexes award winning show when they see us one of the 5 top to use of salaam joins me now from atlanta georgia his new young adult novel punching the air coauthored by u.b.s. a boy tells a story through. verse of one boy struggle against the us justice system it's up

now you said thanks so much for joining us on on going underground as i said in part one we heard about the jury in a songe case a lot of people think he's an innocent amnesty international these different n.g.o.s fighting for him i know you mean us the question before but how does anyone cope with being in a maximum security prison knowing they're innocent you know the biggest challenge just to try to figure out how to keep your mind free even though your body's in bondage as we know where your head goes your body follows and so as we begin to look at you know the opportunities even through now like we've been experiencing coppa 19 and world and some people have been going out of their mind it's because of this and the greatest thing that we can do is try to channel our inner g. meditate as deep in as far as we can and channel our energy to keep our minds as free as possible because wherever our minds go our bodies follow but of course in this book there are so many different facets that you examine i mean there's

a line here bail money let me know the people believed in me. something actually bijectively peculiarly apt for julian assange how how did bail money mean so much to you when you were incarcerated you know because the community responds and the community responds in such a powerful way by putting their dollars against the system the whole system is coming against you and a great thing about it is that in black and brown communities in those most marginalized communities in america a lot of folks get it because they've also been moaning about a spike of justice and those indelible scars that they continue to experience allow them to take their hard earned money whether it be a $1.50 cent whatever it is all of their stuff adds up and when you need to get someone out of prison because they're going through this tremendous time their families are not now also going through it's not just that individual the family is going through the awful a loss of not having them there with them the community is going through an awful time as well and so it's. it's a really powerful. expression of hope of resilience of truth that

someone would use their money to help to get someone out occurs people will know if they've seen the documentary central park 5 or the netflix heavey show the appalling way the media can behave out as one cope when journalists are just acting as that of refers for power. you know that's the biggest challenge i think when i look at what happened in our case 2 weeks after we were choose the now president donald trump who was a real estate mogul back then took out a full page ad calling for our deaths it was essentially telling the rest of america that it was ok that open season for black people were ok and especially for the central park 5 as we warrants gnome. they made a sly. play

. whatever way they ever do with us. they hope that someone from those most sinister sides of society would do to us what they had done to emmett till as a matter of fact another media personality pat buchanan wrote in the papers that we should take the eldest one corey wise and hang him from a tree in central park and that we should do this by june 1st and so we were we were up against tremendous odds the gravitational pull of the negativity that we were in is something that we are experiencing now because we have social media everybody has a front row seat to all pression especially oppression in america and you know white supremacy white male dominance is something that we are all experiencing the

evil of around the globe and as we try to move out of that gravitational pull fighting against spiritual wickedness in high and low places we have a tremendous opportunity because the best thing about being born in the struggle is that you're automatically born on the side of right you're automatically born fighting for true freedom justice and equality not the imagined system that doesn't include all of us were talking about the inclusion of the kaleidoscope of the human family in the same way that dr king had a dream. and in this book malcolm x. as mentioned quite early on in punching the air i should say julia suds talked about black eyes matter back then but of course he was exposing ellerey clinton you . obviously have feelings about the whole trump taking out those advertisement calling for your deaths but of course it was biden who is responsible for mass incarceration policy harris the vice presidential nominee was. there's

a case daniel lawson an innocent man she wanted to jail for the 3 strikes law what can americans do now to prevent future central. well you know what i look at i look at the fact that we have the opportunity now that we understand that it's not about just so to speak having a plan for the weekend we can't even just have a 5 year plan we need to have generational plans and as we play on this game of chess the idea in the understanding is that we're making incremental successes in games and so yes right now we where we're looking at the current election and the possibilities of what ought to come but i think it did mindset of you of of the heartbeat of america is different the mindset of our ancestors wildest dreams has been crying out and we've been talking about yesterday we were talking about reform and now today we're talking about abolition we're talking about tearing the whole

system down a system that was imagined not to include us we were always seen as 3 fifths of a human being thank god i did. not you hear i'm. only had to have this because let's see we were relegated to the new cotton fields of the of america through the criminal justice system a system that i call the criminal system of injustice it's a description. yeah you social on the 16th 11th grade. here. i'm actually 50 graduate high school next year you tell me 15 each each give some grace. and i change the bird they don't. have a. china person wrote the $1.60. but now we have this opportunity to imagine what the great future would be like not necessarily for us

but for our children's children's children and so in that incremental gain we have to make sure that the 46 president is much better than the 45th president and because we are the people and we are the ones who will agitate we are the ones who will hold people to their promises we are moving in the political space in a way that we have never will before we have our eyes wide open and that's one of the things that 2020 has given us is given us the awesome opportunity to have 2020 vision we see things perfectly now and as we move into 2021 and beyond we move with the knowledge and the truth of what we need to be about and we are going to be about that very thing in a very very powerful way that adds life to us in that as life to the rest of the world yeah but if you are right now in prison maybe watching this program what hope can you have from joe biden that alone donald trump well i tell you what if we look

at a person's past 4 point past performance we can predict what they will do in the future now you're looking at both candidates and we already know that. donald trump is running as the law and order president donald trump is saying that he wants to make a good america great again on the eccles and we're there we're hearing in the background of states' rights and we know that states' rights means especially in the south to mean states' rights to own slaves you know of course the trial would deny that and when you talk about the bias you know that joe biden gave an impassioned speech for mass incarceration joe biden was opposed to the segregated schools well donald trump. well listen i mean if you look at it all we're talking about certain ology at its highest form and even though someone will deny this or someone has done this in the past what i would always say is we we like i have a different sort of speak connection to dollar chunk of course and as we look at

america right now what do we see we see that person at the top of the country saying that he is trying to unite us but then telling the good municipalities to get control over their cities in their states and what are those municipalities doing there being us in the in the face is almost like malcolm x. what he said he said they'll bus you in the mouth and then they'll charge you for being the accuser or the abuser it's like victim blaming we we've had enough of that and even if a new president is called into office the greatest thing that happens is that we the people have a new mind and we have a new opportunity because we're not looking at things like ok we'll just put that person in office and then we'll turn a blind eye and go back to do what we're doing when we see what's going on in the streets and enough is enough it's about abolition now not about making

a band-aid over the cut well we saw the defunding the police campaign we saw a brief flicker of statues coming down of racists it even happened over here after the george floyd killing your book weaves in and out of imperialism colonial legacy is in africa what about the fight back to all trump said just in the past few days no set is a coming down on his watch. well see that's the thing we're still talking about rick knology right the people are speaking. this is the united states the imagery that we see in the word united states is us meaning us but we've known that the imagined vision of the founding fathers did not include us as a matter of fact on the heels of the massive patient proclamation the 13th amendment was included in the founding documents of this country which allowed slavery to continue by another name as we look at the criminal justice system we i

call it in many of many of my constituents call it the criminal system of injustice because for us it has been just that we can clearly see that you can have a person shoot up a church and be captured alive and you can have a person sitting in their car reading a book and be murdered you have so many examples of the duality of american the the american criminal justice system that is criminal to see what's going on and is trick knology to tell us that we are getting better when we look like we're getting worse when we're experiencing more worse and more treachery more pression we want the american dream we collectively have the foot of america or the need of america on our next story as a thank you. thank you that's over the show but we're back on saturday just in the form of brazilian president lula about spending 580 days in prison interruption

charges and money laundering only to be freed potentially staging one of the greatest political comebacks in modern times still that join the underground of facebook you tube twitter sound cloud and inscribed. seemed wrong. wrong just don't call. me lol but you get to shape out these days to come to educate and engage with equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. there's a world of political solution of the polluted. maze issue to live. with it sounds

like going. along isn't there a need for doing this to get those almost moved closer and. closer to the field is still relevant she wrote those books you say. look we used to use lose the book with those girls discovering that those with use of these are the police using them to me you know of course. the world is driven by a dream shaped by one person. who

dares thinks. we dare to ask. if look at collapsed is now the whole system would collapse and all of us would follow and everything would be put back years the president of the terrorists gives an interview to russian media including to you what he claims his country would collapse if it was forced out. meanwhile dozens arrested during ronnie's protesting at the detained all opposition but it was straight ahead gloria tell us that given. the largest refugee camp on the green card of les paul spoke to the ground leaving hundreds without shelter raising fear.