black lives matter. movement has come up. yes by the hard work practice but the. core of what is driving it is footage that is undeniable that if you want it's not a matter of the you know do you believe the police to believe friends of a person who were shot witnesses now it is undeniable footage of exactly what has occurred is not only stimulating parts of the black community i think the black community is on the understood this all too long actually but it stimulating enormous acceptance and sympathy outside of our community because the argument is proving a son speaking to us in 2016 after being granted asylum in the ecuadorian embassy in london the un special rapporteur on torture claims the founder of wiki leaks has been tortured by u.k. authorities since his capture by scotland yard and this week the trumpet ministration seeks to extradite a songe an act that could see him die in a u.s.

prison his supporters include amnesty international reporters without borders as well as even mainstream news outlets cognizant that the court of controversial english judgment could lead to the nail in the coffin of free speech in britain as sanchez millions of supporters around the world here are a few who have spoken to us here on going on the ground it would be cruel on the part of the british. to exceed the u.s. so there should. be should they've already committed many crimes. is not. an official extra good it comes up for trial the u.s. is spinoza's laws which even carry a. trial being. committed the crime.

littering the general population know things that they do have a right to know that powerful states still want to know anyone who exposes misconduct is not a terrorist i mean just the senses never threatened anyone he is never committed you know. in these negotiations to. try and use it. often or and so i think we should be grateful that we know that these things and states should be grateful that senator hold those people to the kinds. of war when he leaks has done an incredible job. hopefully the no to sting will be solved but it's not same situation he has committed no crime and we're here all political and i wouldn't support him. i thank you for i mean credible is very very important we have to support him in every way they can find. and people know. what i know

look at the case of julian assange i've got a month to concrete a man with. cruelty pushups cruelty a court can treat him which sucks cruelty. is quite capable of a form of cruelty in a problem policy but the most important information that we shoot in the sunshades fellow citizens of the globe need is information about the secret malfeasance and wrongs of all governments which legend. and julian the song which along with chelsea manning and edward snowden and the other whistleblowers down the years of the heroes who helped us to gain some of the knowledge that the power. that the would to keep secret if they could support

whistleblowers as part truth tellers to have a government after all it's it's extraordinary to be up against that even boris johnson who was being the most ruthless live free journalist should understand if you will agree to what do you consider us to do i mean today in trade. exposed wall cripes tomorrow it could have saved. those things which the united states. and the americans already. did and need for. the u.s. constitution doesn't apply to them so they don't think anyone out. there. to washington to pre-crisis most governments do the bidding and eat when people don't go out. on. major make many mistakes

but excuse day in march when the contribution used to make us aware of the extent. we drove that many people a bit and so on it's so wonderful to meet the best face of joining that. google is just if i got out version of an essay i soon as i started to hear about it were. for that it would end this way. the idea of somebody who. does all of this stuff the hidden from you and i'm going to show you i'm going to give it to you left right and center. is the kind of person i've always wanted to see you know what i've always i've always felt that missed so much that we just don't know about and here's somebody who's kind of put me in the public domain one finger really upsets me is that. we don't hear about all of the stuff that they're putting out. i saw

a film of american soldiers shooting innocent people in the street this is big news these are the kinds of things that the people of my country the people who were should know about these are the kind of things that these people get up to some of the supporting julian assange says he faces extradition to the united states there as to the hearing itself his fine armored with those arguably on the front line of the battle for british and global press freedom i'm going underground social media producer parliament and today we're outside the old bailey in london by julian assange to the wiki leaks founder is arguably in the fight for is a life where he faces the 1st day of his u.s. electrician haring trial if he is actually right at the united states he faces a 175 years in a supermax prison behind me are many of his supporters and there are some big names out here today who are backing the wiki leaks founder i'm going to be looking to talk to some of them 1st they are them sans actual trial waters joining us on his condition he's been tortured according to the u.n. of course he's been tortured and he was not in a good clothes that's all i can say we heard in the last couple minutes that it

very serious condition has deteriorated like for of course today is the 1st ever trial what are your expectations as been allegations of bias from the court judges just parades or is there any hope now that has come to the old bailey and we just have to cling to the hope that my expertise sins are low but i demand justice which it all demand justice in this is. a beautiful process of being seen in this case a pillow is is absolutely horrific it's been piling up in the years and the months leading up to this day there's been spying on legally privileged communication there's been stealing of material and 3 weeks ago the americans just threw into this court a totally new document an indictment that totally changes the narrative and julian is supposed to have 3 weeks to prepare for. or that and his lawyers when the

americans have been cooking these up in a 10 year process this is absurd it should be thrown out and if it's not thrown out today it will be an abuse of process and an abuse against the rights of julian assange say this task of the way you don't want to go where german sanchez i should i said where i would put the fight go from the potentially this is only one battle in the war here in this court there will be appeals if he loses here we'll take it up to the supreme court we will do everything in our power to stop this extradition because there's so much at stake not just the life of julian assange but the future of journalism as i've been covering the general science process of the last year calling to every quarter that i've seen the protests grow and grow have you seen the same thing around the world a support growing for german fans and the thing the momentum is going in his favor i think the momentum is really coming to his favor and we're seeing that in the next you have journalists that are starting to wake up to what is at stake because in their future their job security their right to report on national security

issues when it pertains united states the president of this case is starting to sink in and we should all be of afraid all journalists should be afraid of what's happening here so much of the and just finally some outlets are doubling down on all of that has again surveillance on for example washington post in a recent article of so-called wiki leaks a russian that's information outlook what do you say to all of that all the other guys the germans and of the russian agent it's an absurd and it's a reflection of the new cold war that we are seeing being blown up i mean. the queen's is also cold and anti-secrecy organization what is that it's the play of words do you call transparency international anti-secrecy organization we're fighting for trust total transparency just like every journalist should do in this world last day of june sun is actually controlled by. on the show saying that i was

been a little biased against us all from judge for right so i do hope now for more impartiality now that we've called the old bailey well as christine just said we can't depend on hope but. there is enormous pressure for justice in this case if you look at the people around here it's soul train truly and this is now at the center of an international struggle for justice so i do think that if this court. allows the extradition of julian. it will go to appeal and i'm reasonably hopeful that its type appeal to the court used to be called british justice my profile i think most people are now intensely angry that this huge miscarriage of justice. has now found its way to the old bailey to the central criminal court to be. presided over

by a system that's israel. not given truly and any justice would go so the last one that i spoke to you were inside a body cage is a canary but your limits on what the football symbolizes must be has gone about this the added goalpost and it's about the price that the quality. of the playing football with you say. on to every time they tried to drop the scores a goal back no case the weapon again to keep changing but still inventing the bill moving the goal posts and they do happen to get them but they will never admit that because the so called all that reside they will find him to. back down this is what we say what do you think the consequences will be if you're in a sauna and. that's right at the united states will. he

use my tongue corruption and people if they're still alive because we face mass extinction. truth do you have any hope that the british justice system will prevent us from being extradited florists just know listen to public opinion public opinion changing in favor of the sound stage the boy. they go. about that. they do what they want this is the problem of course he would be free. the state has no there's no place against. him. and yet they have. even without some case they will find him guilty. because they. completely and that's why we wear these bags over our heads because that's what's

happened to justice it's in the bag those are some of the biggest names down here in support of gitmo sarge for more coverage of genocide is actually make sure to say if you're going on the ground back to you off of social media producer fine ahmed there well we've invited the u.k. government to appear on the program or provide us with a statement they haven't got back to us yet but they've said in the past that they disagree with a number of the observations by the un ruppert there on torture who detailed what he saw as torture of julian assange belmarsh prison the government also said judges are imposed and independent from government with any judgement based solely on the facts of the case and the a political lord of course u.k. prime minister boris johnson in a softer the break is respect to a man who knows all about wrongful detention talk he is of one of the exonerated central park 5 you spent over 70 is in juvenile detention for a crime he didn't commit and whose story is dramatized in netflix is a wall. winning show when they see us.

was a pandemic no certainly no borders and just plotting to nationalities. has emerged with the we don't look like the whole world to. judge a. commentary crisis like this. we can do better we should. everyone is contributing it's your own way but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever the challenge is creating the response has been masked so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we are in it together.

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welcome back while julian assange fights for his life in london over the next 4 weeks other any lessons to be learned from the wrongful conviction of the 1990 central park 5 they won the largest of a payout in new york state history 41000000 dollars and the story's been dramatized in netflix's award winning show when they see us one of the 5 talked to use of salaam joins me now from atlanta georgia his new young adult novel punching the air coauthored by u.b.s. the boy tells the story through verse of one boy's struggle against the u.s. justice system it's out now yousef thanks so much for joining us on ongoing underground as they said in part one we heard about the julian a sandwich case a lot of people think he's innocent and we see international all these different n.g.o.s fighting for him i know you've been asked the question before but how does

anyone cope with being in a maximum security prison knowing they're innocent. no the biggest challenge just sits try to figure out how to keep your mind free even though your body's in bondage as we know where your head goes your body follows and so as we begin to look at you know the opportunities even through now we've been experiencing coburn 1900 world and some people have been going out of their mind and it's because of this and the greatest thing that we can do is try to channel our inner g. meditate as deep in as far as we can and channel our energy to keep our minds as free as possible because wherever our minds go our bodies follow but of course in this book there are so many different facets that you examine i mean there's a line here bail money let me know the people believed in me. something actually ridiculous peculiarly apt for julian assange how how did bail money mean so much to you when you were incarcerated you know because the community responds and the community responds in such

a powerful way by putting their dollars against the system the whole system is coming against you and a great thing about it is that in black and brown communities in those most marginalized communities in america a lot of folks get it because they've also been moaning about a spike of justice and those indelible scars that they continue to experience allow them to take their hard earned money whether it be a $1.50 cent whatever it is all of their stuff adds up and when you need to get someone out of prison because they're going through this tremendous time their families are not also going through it's not just that individual the family is going through the awful a loss of not having them there with them the community is going through an awful time as well and so it's it's a really powerful. expression of hope of resilience of truth that someone would use their money to help to get someone out because people will know if they've seen the documentary central park 5 or the netflix t.v. show the appalling way the media can behave out as one cope when

journalists are just acting as that of refers for power. you know that's the biggest challenge i think when i look at what happened in our case 2 weeks after we were accused the now president donald trump who was a real estate mogul back then took out a full page ad calling for our deaths it was essentially telling the rest of america that it was ok that open season for black people were ok and especially for the central park 5 warrants noam. they made a sly. like . part of the way they have to do with us.

they hoped that someone from those most sinister sides of society would do to us what they had done to emmett till as a matter of fact another media personality pat buchanan wrote in the papers that we should take the eldest one corey wise and hang him from a tree in central park and that we should do this by june 1st and so we were we were up against tremendous odds the gravitational pull of the negativity that we were in is something that we are experiencing now because we have social media everybody has a front row seat to all pression especially oppression in america and you know white supremacy white male dominance is something that we are all experiencing the evil of around the globe and as we try to move out of that gravitational pull fighting against spiritual wickedness in high and low places we have a tremendous opportunity because the best thing about being born in the struggle is that you're automatically born on the side of right you're automatically born

fighting for true freedom justice and equality not the imagined system that doesn't include all of us were talking about the inclusion of the kaleidoscope. will be human family in the same way dr king had a dream. and in this book malcolm x. as mentioned quite early on in punching the air i should say julia sounds talked about black eyes matter back then but of course he was exposing entering clinton you. obviously have feelings about donald trump taking out those advertisement calling for your deaths but of course it was biden who is responsible for mass incarceration policy. the vice presidential nominee. there's a case daniel lawson an innocent man she wanted to jail for the 3 strikes law what can americans do now to prevent future central park. well you know what i look at i look at the fact that we have the opportunity now that we understand that it's not

about just so to speak having a plan for the weekend we can't even just have a 5 year plan we need to have generational plans and as we play on this game of chess the idea in the understanding is that we're making incremental our election and the possibilities of what ought to calm but i think that did mindset of you of of the heartbeat of america is different the mindset of our ancestors wildest dreams has been crying out and we've been talking about yesterday we were talking about reform and now today we're talking about abolition we're talking about tearing the whole system down a system that was imagined not to include us we were always seen as 3 fifths of a human being. you got idea. but you're here to relegate it to the new cotton fields of the of america through the criminal justice system

a system that i call the criminal system of injustice it's a description. of. the use of salon in the 16th 11th grade. here. i'm actually testing graduate high school next year you tell me 15 each each give some grace. and i'd change the birth date on. top of the it's trying to impress a girl i'm going 60. but now we have this opportunity to imagine what the great future would be like not necessarily for us but for our children's children's children and so in that incremental gain we have to make sure that the 46 president is much better than the 45th president. and because we are the people and we are the ones who will agitate we are the ones who will hold people to their promises we are moving in the political space in a way that we have never moved before we have our eyes wide open and that's one of

the things that 2020 has given us is given us the awesome opportunity to have 2020 vision we see things perfectly now and as we move into 2021 and beyond we move with the knowledge and the truth of what we need to be about and we are going to be about that very thing in a very very powerful way that adds life to us in that as life to the rest of the world yeah but if you are right now in prison maybe watching this program what hope can you have from joe biden that alone donald trump well i tell you what if we look at a person's past 4 point past performance we can predict what they will do in the future now you're looking at both candidates and we already know that donald trump is running as the law and order president donald trump is saying that he wants to make a good america great again on the echoes that we're hearing in the background of

states' rights and we know that states' rights means especially in the south the mean states' rights to own slaves you know of course the driver deny that and when you talk about the bus you know that joe biden gave an impassioned speech for mass incarceration joe biden was opposed to the segregated schools not the altar of. well listen i mean if you look at it all we're talking about certain ology at its highest form and even though someone will deny this or someone has done this in the past what i would always say is we we like i have a different sort of speak connection to dollar chunk of course and as we look at america right now what do we see we see that person at the top of the country saying that he is trying to unite us but then telling the give municipalities to get control over their cities in their states and what are those municipalities doing there being us in the in the face is almost like malcolm x. what he said he said the bus you in the mouth and then they'll charge you for being

the accuser or the abuser it's like victim blaming we we've had enough of that and even if a new president is called into office the greatest thing that happens is that we the people have a new mind and we have a new opportunity because we're not looking at things like ok we'll just put that person in office and then we'll turn a blind eye and go back to doing what we're doing when we see what's going on in the streets and enough is enough it's about abolition now not about making a band-aid over the cut well we saw the defunding the police campaign we saw a brief flicker of statues coming down of racists it even happened over here after the george floyd killing your book weaves in and out of imperialism colonial legacy is in africa what about the fight back to all trump said just in the past few days no such as a coming down on his watch. well see that's the thing we're still talking about

rick knology right the people are speaking. this is the united states the imagery that we see in the word united states is us meaning us but we've known that the imagined vision of the founding fathers did not include us as a matter of fact on the heels of the massive patient proclamation the 13th amendment was included in the founding documents of this country which allowed slavery to continue by another name as we look at the criminal justice system we i call it in many of many of my constituents call it the criminal system of injustice because for us it has been just that we can clearly see that you can have a person shoot up a church and be captured alive and you can have a person sitting in their car reading a book and be murdered you have so many examples of the duality of american the the

american criminal justice system that is criminal to see what's going on and is trick knology to tell us that we are getting better when we look like we're getting worse when we're experiencing more worse and more treachery more pression we want the american dream we collectively have the foot of america or the need of america on our next 4 years as a thank you. thank you that's after the show will be back on saturday to speak to form a brazilian president lula about spending 580 days in prison interruption charges of money laundering only to be freed potentially staging one of the greatest political comebacks in modern times still that join the underground of facebook you tube twitter sounds bad and then spread. there's a word of hope all of them were fleecing of the police the most amazing sure there

. are good songs the guy. by young muslims only has a name for a list and it comes from. the real city so the unseat those of you saw. the point was being used to move the book with their skulls discovered that those that would use of these visibly used by the other to me yeah of course they. join me every thursday on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then.

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