all that's coming up in our show but 1st i want to alex with your tweets emails and messages. quite a reaction to last week showing up for science to dr frank kamiya a public health expert from x. to university who engaged online with so many of us and then not them julian says i enjoy hearing dr buying honey is views which are always thoughtful and considerate but elena says seeing the whole of the makers trying to be the quarantine plot gets me riled ken says it dumbfounds me there's a warning period all it does is give people a chance to circumvent the public health measures and rafi says i lay the blame at governments myself they let it happen i s.s.r. says refreshing to have the topic of covert covered with solutions instead of speculation and mourning ferguson says thank you for the great show of this monstrous talk about dr plank kamiya was listening to be less death in making noise

straits a different note he says track and trace social isolation of all failed miserably to be covert 19 or even get it under control when a politician is going to realize that this is a failed strategy now back to the us media and i can use just about the best one psychologist in the u.k. theater resident spot on morning television in recent weeks she shared with the nation her grief on the death of her much loved and to the english education secretary that he wouldn't go anywhere and 2 he started to trust you. and i have become an important voice and how to emerge from look bad with your mental health in hand here's an i in conversation with bally. amoco immediately when we last spoke we were right in the middle of the lot don't period when you were talked about the very very particular pressures on people at that stage pose these pressures developed over the last few months i mean personally i think i've intensified and i think they've intensified the lots of quite common sense reasons

so the economy is really struggling and people have lost their jobs and this is equally more permanent the the way the lockdowns gone from a temporary measure to something that feels like it's almost permanent and then the fact that services have been crippled to some degree because access has been tonight in lots of different areas where mental health is concerned i think that people really are struggling because something that felt like it was going to be quite temporary experience a spell become past a permanent fixture so yeah i definitely saying that people are more anxious more depressed more really disturbed about the future and also i just think that the linearity of the process to do with the way that it's been handled a government level has been so confusing that that means that people don't necessarily trust the leadership and that of course in turn makes us feel even more consciously anxious about the situation is this about certainty and uncertainty because in the last don't period all those who are new jle difficult very very

upsetting for people there was a certain degree of certainty about it no things seem much more uncertain about the time scale for the pandemic about which areas a lot doe them which are as you write will say about economic pressures this is a question of certainty being replaced but even more uncertainty one of the things i think has been certain is a consistent theme regarding the survival rate of coronavirus which is over 99 percent so that has been certain but. i don't feel like necessarily people have been hearing that so that's let's at least say because the measures have got so drastic and so different and so unusual to other ways of handling scenarios prefer that it is today yes and with socially journal the pressures that kind of completing people's opinions that are in keeping in particular narrative for her and i think that caused uncertainty but now the big on set in see is what will life look like for us because a lot of us want to get what's normal but actually that doesn't look like it's

something that's going to happen anytime soon you're so populist perhaps britain's best known psychologist because of your t.v. role is that you're very open about the pressures on yourself from family tragedies grief been a huge issue people have lost relatives been unable to grieve properly. i mean i definitely think even myself my father killed himself last year and then obviously i had some grief with my animal die in kobe but also i f. or with a lot of people who come to me to talk about the grief that they've been experiencing of losing loved ones joe in this period of completely unrelated issues my really close and her father died of a heart attack and obviously that meant that she didn't have the usual ritual that you'd be given if you were given the options have funerals and so on and so forth in the way that we used to and one of the things that we've seen during this experience is that maybe the very vulnerable who should have been looked after weren't but now we have a whole generation of children and this is my real real problem at the moment

mental health wise our children are crying out they are really experiencing deep long term problems and it's almost like we have forgotten about a generation who truly are suffering and struggling so apart from grief i'm looking not just at grief in the very obvious physical context of when we lose people that we adore and be denied the ritual that goes with that i'm talking about grief of expectation grief of hope grief regarding poverty grief at the class system even. opening up and becoming more of a diversity than it should be anyway with thoughts or all equality is already i'm talking about that kind of grief so grief is a great word. and when you speak to young people has been a huge amount of the shop on the exams and people waiting for the sun or all of that but you're talking about a bit more than a friend to young people. listen i'm talking about the fact that ok the suicide

results won't behave for a period of time so people don't understand that now when people are checking online and there are people saying that the suicide rate is risen but you can fact check that actually because the current us court takes between 6 and 12 months to actually validate a suicide so we don't know how many suicides have happened during this period and we can say that in the press has been a lot of reporting about the militia and suicide suspected deaths shall we say from suicide so we have seen a lot of them but that might not play out statistically but one of the things that we did know is in the 1st $56.00 days of lockdown there was an increased child suicide rate and it was pretty pretty big you know for that time compared to the $56.00 days before and i feel like there seems to have been this really big position on caring about the elderly which we should of course we should but what about all those young people who are growing into a well the 1st that they're recognized secondly don't feel is listening to that aids and most importantly doesn't seem to reflect what they require so children are

going back to school in bubbles 'd and allowed to play in the way that they should feel that they're able to play all the socialization things a so key an important development and fortunately now we're having people brave enough to speak out that through research and we've got great report out today talking about that but it's been almost as if people have been too afraid to just speak the truth about the fears that they have and i think that that's something that really needs to shift so i get a lot of problematic responses because i won't be quiet and people attacked me for that but i'm not worried about now a new attack in may i just know that in 5 years i want to be proud of the fact that took that position because i cared enough about people's mental health and wellness i mean i was a philip demotic i'm very disturbing revolution what can be done to help the young generation who are under so much pressure. i mean i think best and foremost it's about recognizing that what covert is don't is it's even more marginalized communities i mean if there's something that we can take from the statistics it is told to us obviously public has

a big place to play in inequality of health and we need to explore how we can resource those environments not around vaccines i'm not talking about you know about going and making all social distancing a mask where impairment quite the contrary i'm saying like what is the story is telling us wife a narrative of change that we can create from that and that has to be a to recognize that there is a major one percent in this country there are the very very rich and then there are very much the people who are struggling and very much in between that there seems to be this kind of unusual space where people are listening to the really dark stories that are coming out of our society we seeing them day in and day out my big thing at the moment is that we know that mental health is so frank we know that most people in the u.k. have had a period of mental distress during this period of time i think then their narrative has got massive consequences it's going to come out and most of all what you said before about education listen i can see the inequality hugely personally i have 2 children at school neither of which have been given any education for 6 months at

all and now my oldest son is going to college one day a week i'm not blaming the system that's what i've got to deal with but what are we saying when we know that young people are getting say where this in 1000 i'm sent recovery and actually when it's really very old people and it is respect really it's a discriminator a disease not an is not empty despair it's not sunday it is that people say it doesn't discriminate discriminate it's going to get old people who are very sick on the whole it does affect other people but right now we've got flu and we've got pneumonia considered normal illnesses killing children so there is this huge narrative the fed has been blown off portion and children are suffering because of our so how do we address that balance and how do we dress that balance that would be what i would like to say whether that's going to happen because it seems to be to anybody. the moment he goes against the clear narrative that we've been forced that whether that's changing laws that seem completely necessary to change and so on and so forth it seems to be that you know them branded somebody with conspiracy

theory ideas and i'm the least conspiracy based person in the world i don't really have time for in my exhausting shut show but what i can say is common sense and it seems to me that that's left the building where mental health and wellness is consent at the moment not a number of times had mentioned the economic consequences of lockdown coming home to roost and that comes with of course as financial pressure on families how much is financial pressure a very common cause of mental illness i mean i think that this is a capitalist state you know it's as simple as that that we build our wealth in the west in the sense of and the u.k. being what we can afford and how we can pay our bills and it's the mark of our success whether that's right or wrong as a human that's kind of how it broke isn't it so when you have your security completely ripped away from you it doesn't just impacts on a of the sense which is financially and the fact that you might not be answered by good studio kates you know all those things remember through banks have been used

more and more and more in the past few years because people can't afford to live i mean these are people who literally are working and still can't afford to live so when you lose that that's terrifying and listen i'm the best person to say that some of the biggest stories you ever hear about transition and success grew from moments of great chaos and pain so that's the human condition most human beings are far more easily than they believe and it's when they've given up massive chaos that they recognize as resources but not everybody is like and we always have to think as a society about our weakest about our most struggling about our poorest that's what makes a good society right now we've literally in my opinion don't the opposite join us after the break i'll be asking a mechanic for some foss time device for you for how to cope with. the pun demick.

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just goes after dose after dose after dose and really became his drug dealer who's to blame patients doctors manufacturers. welcome back alex the speaking with t.v. psychologist and i can eat about the unique pressures on mental health which i have concerning i come up with extraordinary here. i hope you sing is going to play a long term i do it's a hugely difficult so unprecedented so many factors but do you feel things are going to play out a mental health for the long term. i think if they remain within this social distancing families not being able to get together if they carry on doing that i think it would be pretty catastrophic for human beings listen one of the big problems i think humans have is you forget you're an animal you're an animal you know we might want to separate ourselves because we feel it's

a constant conscious alchemists dick incredibly intelligent beings but actually basically you are a human animal and animals need socialization we're 98.8 percent related to our cousins who watch him pansies we have exactly the same clothes and it's as simple as that you know there are ancestors that d.n.a. it thrives 31 thing socialization you can't get online you can't get on the telephone it will be a really sad 2nd you need physical isolation touch connection you need to have momentary interactions with strangers you need to see their faces this isn't something me making this so this is about studies that we can evidence that have been existing since we started to research this we need each other we don't need to be walking around one way systems because again it deflects from the socialization that makes us human so that's going to be an issue a mental health and wellness so people we saw home now feeling completely they would have a problem at all in 2 years' time they'll have a breakdown of some so because that's what children toes when you're fed lots and

lots of negatives over a period of time whether they can to fruition or otherwise the point is you get traumatized by kerry slate that's been happening constantly so that's another issue that maybe in a year or 2 yes we're going to have lots of people crippled by anxiety depression after that as you said the fact that we have the major economic calamity that we know is occurring then that it's going to additional eyes all of this mental health precious and mental illness and mental health are different so you know we all struggle with mental health issues. people will develop mental illness but usually that's a separate issue to deal with what i'm talking about now which is pretty much all of us have got some anxiety depression we've gotten used to kill a virus and we want to get back to normal at some point and again going back to what you said about uncertainty there seems to be very little uncertainty regarding the actual evidence that we should be keeping it and that should make us feel better and a lot of certainty regarding the scaremongering that's putting people in even more traumatized positions one of the big things i think we need today is to start

having some really positive conversations about the reality of where we are and not focusing on the negatives because it seems to me a really unusual when you look at it on an linea level a really unusual focus when you can see that over 1000 i'm so if people survive but the physical death toll direct and indirect is going to run to millions were in one thing yeah i think the in direct particularly i agree i mean i think they've quoted a theft in about 95000 dollars in that that they expected for people who haven't been treated and haven't received the kind of cat that they need i know some he's just been diagnosed with breast cancer she's got 25 months in the senate serious but i'm sure she has an operation so these are real lives being affected but the other side of it is you can say that it discriminates you know when people are saying that message it doesn't it still is it discriminates people who are a major lee older majorly old not not at all like fifty's not even over 65 and he still looking at creeping up to the seventy's eighty's mark with all the conditions

it is a discriminates relisten always be the odd person just fit the paradigm which has some 15 or has a brain hemorrhage or heart attack there are always people who don't fit the ordinary paradigm of experience but for the most it is discriminates rate but over and above these physical impact some physical health are you saying with us no one coming right down the tracks a tsunami of mental health implications. everybody is working in this field from day dot when we started going into lockdown absolutely have been saying that this is because this is a concern that there is going to be a massive massive wave of people who just feel that their society is not one they recognize and they struggle with that or young people who feel that hopeless and there's not really much point being care what we really need to do now is think about oh how do we to some degree chase narrative of people could be a lesson because at least if we drop the fear of little bit of people's anxiety levels will hopefully become a manageable which means that they'll be able to see the clouds clearing so that

they can make the strategy of the life that they might have to change due to things like unemployment and one last question when you were last on the show there's a huge reaction tremendous reaction of people commenting on what you had to say and how it related to them. a message of hope that you can give a of us about how we can tackle this as individuals and get through it those as family groups i mean most of all know that if you're feeling really stressed and anxious that's completely normal so you've had 6 months now of the prefrontal cortex which is an area of the brain which is all about high thinking critical analysis being able to solve problems it's really been impacted down because you've had stress and anxiety which is only meant to come i'm entirely and what happens is that the brain gets in pass down and you make delay your instinct area kind of takes over so you have months of this kind of high functioning area feeling like it's kind of been blitzed in like really affected so know that if you've not been feeling great if you've not been thinking clearly as things hopefully get back to

normal you'll just automatically start to get a lift in that area and that will translate to feeling a little bit better on top of that look if you've survived this long and even though it's been challenging and you've still got great relationships with people that you love reframe it you're blessed because it's great to miss people it's great to have those people that you know that you love in your life and at that the you and then on top of that look digitally detox i. i'm doing that literally out for a phone down quite a few times a day because when you have opinions like me you're obviously going to get met with a lot of negativity and i know the difference when i put my phone down i just hours out with my family and friends and i allow myself to have that level of pace so i try to use things like that if you apply to that constant onslaught you don't need the news out you really don't because all you need to know is what happens in your life in your world so be clear that you don't have to watch the news and then on top of that if you really really are struggling and you need to talk some day don't see helplines as an official to say and certainly don't think that there was quote

coal and sites u.k. o.c.d. u.k. obviously this martens all of these exist because they want people to call before they get crisis level pick up the phone and just speak to some day you can hear you because it makes a massive difference but most of all know that you're not going crazy at all because you feel at times that you're going a little bit crazy it's being really tall and i can say that a sunday who works constantly that mental health and knows that on least 3 times a week i'll sit there and think i just want to kind of go to a whole new island in stockholm you i swear i don't have to live in this time and space and will it's a normal feeling so adjust that perspective just. through thoughts and great advice and mccamey fika so much for joining me and then at some i'm sure thanks for having me thanks for listening and now everyone has devised their order method of surviving loctite but what to add just from stage and screen to when the theaters are closed and there are no boards on which to trade the answer is simple launch

your own online chat show 3 time to meet and in just 6 months then to 3 and a half 1000000 head let's take a look at the one to birds the one divides our day be our no the anderson are you how you don't mention houston these 4 ladies have been associated with the whole bundle of prime time shoots alex joins end of that series the fabulous 4 debbie i know i'm understood why one door balls the wow wanted but i have to tell you that my parents created a bunch of that not literally relation but it's a little knowledge should too. thunderbird's saw from the bobs of bor saw demi arnold the one who fully a supporter for calling yourself a wonderbook well actually it was it was harry soaks idea we were all sitting there and what they didn't know how to actually happen and it was was that it was that sort of evil lockdown and we had

a zoom call myself sherry houston and harriet it was so hilariously funny guy sitting there what we should talk to other people we should you know other people should see this and so with a bit of imagination was drian help from our friends we managed to get online and in the last 5 months we clocked up 3500000 hits how about her class struggle making me jealous no and. so our local shelley and the before a few other wonder but over such a way of of your own i mean you're all theatrical through influence of the few boards to trade at the present moment where we have theaters being closed and so sure we're surviving a lot but we yes and actually it really helped us because we spoke to each other and we commiserated and we had a drink and we had a lot and we just thought if we actually put it out there maybe other people it would help other people as well and it really has because we've had loads of emails

from people saying it's really helped them in our town and that actually does help us as well and we realize actually there's a great audience out there and we're going to carry it on we're now a sort of an online chat show people come on big stars come on just as that of promote the book or film is a bit like the graham norton online actually yes and it is becoming is to expect how many institutions i mean we need to be in an institution but it's become an institution we must send him out with and then wonder birds because you just said we've got this one on that one and she said what about 100 birds and so do you want yes why not. but gillett are jealous of the number of head she get for the 3 times a week show but the names of the guests of the extraordinary as well so give us a sample wash a favorite moment from one of these big stars yes if i don't well i will you know pull a great he raised me schrager out to speak man's got i think you know it was

a great honor for neat sydney plunks i'd never met him before and i'm a massive fan so that was each but i think we will agree to this week because we he's a friend of all of us and so he had so many tales to south of us were involved in our of the turn to some new episode most tremendous type a movie and did you ever forget the go big trouble you've been in so many volved so many programs so many productions it will actually forget you're doing the show and the view of just a conversation between friends is that the secret absolutely in fact because i haven't met got one for instance and i actually put out this very sort of low cut dress that looked like i was laid here with a cup kwan and he does this show how to look good naked and he suddenly looked at me when that person or that something occurred and actually you do forget that you're on the air you know you get your ear in front of millions of people and suddenly you just say really weird things or outrageous things but we love it

because we can be ourselves that's the main thing we're not actually hiding behind characters we're just saying what you know heartfelt things and that's really important because it's a very dark times for so many people and uncertainty is still huge in so many areas . the correspondence the emails are getting in the reflect of people saying they're fine goodness is something i can turn on and gas and have a good laugh or both and yes very much so alex actually we're getting some really hot phelps e-mails in from people saying we've changed our lines and i have to say they've been hans towers. because we feel we're giving something back as well so we will help each other and we realize that's why i would say. you know we have we have we see where government shows that when the shares are running we have comments that come up a little and so people are actually nice and in a meeting room at least taking the business to a completely different you know area really be pretty amazing they arrange to meet before the shows night chats online and they chat during our shows it is really

quite funny to see the things they talk about old debutant my hair today how do you what are you wearing you know that the trunk friends and i think a lot that's not nice people get how this many friends are now they feel that we are their friends that debbie on the view played so many characters in so many shows. was an interview for the visits they got this sought of chat show on why you moses a new departure for you on a followed by well if a no you've done all before you know this morning into you know such certain shows before lots of shows being a panelist and not a no i she never done loose women but having said that yeah i mean and it was something that's happened it's sam something that i've always wanted to do but i saw in another can do it and the contrast it thing about doing this is that we are able to control the show he thought of it it's our show we did it it's only an hour and we can show that so we don't have anybody sitting there in the big box or not she's not doing too well the 6 that we're going to take it off so that feeling of

control is fantastic you know and i think this is what you know within our business is what's happening now because so many people have put stuff in zoom and they are now in control of their destiny and i think i just needed to do that for a long time or debbie of the understand more power to you elbow one thank you so much for joining me now at some until then i may not get to see you soon but i here take care. there has been much discussion about the longer term health impact of corporate 19 whiting indications that could survive as a percent for the legacy of debilitating physical health conditions we are bracing for the onset of an economic tsunami as emergency support schemes start to dwindle and economic consequences of low carb come home to roost however there is a 3rd horsemen of the corporate apocalypse which may be just as devastating as the 1st to the impact of unprecedented pressure and uncertainty on mental health as

emma kenny tells us the full consequences are still a little under a stage but one thing is certain open discussion and debate is a necessary for step in facing that 1000 crisis but for now from alex myself and all of the sure stay safe and we hope to see you all again next week. the a lot of misinformation amongst the traitor robida traitors i thought they were getting free sharer somehow and it's really fascinating to see really learning curve

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