gets me riled ken says it dumbfounds me there's a warning period all it does is give people a chance to circumvent the public health measures and rafi says i lay the blame at governments myself they let it happen i s s r says refreshing to have the topic of covert covered with solutions instead of speculation and money and service and says thank you for the great show of this monstrous talk about dr plank honea was listening to be less death in making noise strikes a different note he says trust can trace social isolation of all failed miserably to be covert 19 or even get it under control when our politicians going to realize that this is a failed strategy and about to the us media and i can use just about the best one psychologist in the u.k. theater resident spot on morning television in recent weeks she shared with the nation her grief on the death of her much loved and to the english education secretary but he wouldn't get anywhere and 2 he started to trust teachers emma has

become an important voice and how to emerge from looked at you with your mental health. she has an eye in conversation. amoco me when we last spoke we were right in the middle of the lot don't period then you would talk about the very very particular pressures on people at that stage of these pressures developed over the last few months i mean personally i think i've intensified and i think they've intensified the lots of quite common sense reasons so the economy is really struggling and people have lost their jobs and this is equally more permanent the the way the lockdowns gone from a temporary measure to something that feels like it's almost permanent and then the fact that services have been crippled to some degree because access has been tonight in lots of different areas where mental health is concerned i think that people really are struggling because something that felt like it was going to be quite temporary experiences felt become past

a permanent fixture so yeah i definitely saying that people are more anxious more depressed more really disturbed about the future and also i just think that the linearity of the process to do with the way that it's been handled at a government level has been so confusing that that means that people don't necessarily trust the leadership and that of course in turn makes us feel even more consciously anxious about the situation is this about certainty and uncertainty because in the last don't period all those who are new gilles difficult very very upsetting for people there was a certain degree of certainty about it no things seem much more uncertain about the timescale for the pandemic about which areas a lot doe them which are as you write will say about economic pressures this is a question of certainty being replaced but even more uncertainty. one of the things i think has been certain is a consistent theme regarding the survival rate of coronavirus which is over 99

percent so that has been certain but i don't feel like necessarily people have been hearing that so that's let's at least it's a because the measures have got so drastic and so different and so unusual to other ways of handling scenarios prefer this to this and with socially journal the pressures that kind of completing people's opinions that are in keeping in particular narrative for her and i think that caused uncertainty but now the big uncertainty is what will life look like for us because a lot of us want to get what's normal but actually that doesn't look like it's something that's going to happen anytime soon you're so populous perhaps britain's best known psychologist because of your t.v. role is that you're very open about the pressures on yourself from family tragedies grief been a huge issue people have lost relatives been unable to grieve properly. i mean i definitely think that even myself my father killed himself last year and then obviously i had some great with my animal die during kobe but also i work with

a lot of people who come to me to talk about the grief that they've been experiencing of losing loved ones joey in this period of completely unrelated issues my really close friend her father died of a heart attack and obviously that meant that she didn't have the usual ritual that you'd be given if you were given the options have funerals and so on and so forth in the way that we used to and one of the things that we've seen during this experience is that maybe the very vulnerable who should have been looked after weren't but now we have a whole generation of children and this is my real real problem at the moment mental health wise our children are crying out they are really experiencing deep long term problems and it's almost like we have forgotten about a generation who truly are suffering and struggling so apart from grief i'm looking not just at grief in the very obvious physical context of when we lose people that we adore and be denied the ritual that goes with that i'm talking about grief of expectation grief of hope grief regarding poverty grief at the class system even

further opening up and becoming more of a diversity than it should be anyway without all all equality is already i'm talking about that kind of grief so grief is a great word to use when you speak to young people has been a huge amount of the shop on the exams and people waiting for the sun or all of that but you're talking about a bit more than a friend and young people. listen i'm talking about the fact that ok the suicide results won't behave for a period of time so people don't understand that now when people are checking online and there are people saying that the suicide rate has risen but you can't fact check that actually because the current us court takes between 6 and 12 months to actually validate a suicide so we don't know how many suicides have happened during this period and we can say that in the press has been a lot of reporting about the milissa. suicides or suspected deaths shall we say from suicide so we have seen a lot of them but that might not play out statistically but one of the things that

we did know was in the 1st 56 days of lockdown there was an increased child suicide rate and it was pretty pretty big you know for that time compared to the 56 days before i feel like there seems to be in this really big position on caring about the elderly which we should of course we should but what about all those young people who are growing into a wealth that this that they're recognize secondly don't feel is listening to that needs and most importantly doesn't seem to reflect what they require so children are going back to school in bubbles 'd and are allowed to play in the way that they should feel that they're able to play all the socialization things a so key an important development and fortunately now we're having people brave enough to speak out that through research now we've got a great report out today talking about that it's been almost as if people have been too afraid to just speak the truth about the fears that they have and i think that that's something that really needs to shift so i get a lot of problematic responses because i won't be quiet and people attacked me for

that but i'm not worried about now a new attack in may i just know that in 5 years i want to be proud of the fact that took that position because i hadn't of about people's mental health and wellness i mean i saw philip demotic them very disturbing revelations what can be done to help the young generation who are under so much pressure. i mean i think 1st and foremost it's about recognizing that what covert is don't it is even more marginalized communities i mean if there's something that we can take from the statistics it is told to us obviously poverty has a big place to play in inequality of health and we need to explore how we can resource those environments not around vaccines i'm not talking about you know about going and making all social distancing a mask where impairment quite the contrary i'm saying like what is the story is telling us wife a narrative of change that we can create from that and that has to be a to recognise that there is a major one percent in this country there are the very very rich and then there are very much the people who are struggling and very much in between that there seems

to be this kind of unusual space where people are listening to the really dark stories that are coming out of our society we're seeing them day in and day out my big thing at the moment is that we know that mental health is suffering we know that most people in the u.k. have had a period of mental distress during this period of time i think then their narrative has got massive consequences it's going to come out and most of all what you said before about education listen i can see the inequality hugely personally i have 2 children at school neither of which have been given any education for 6 months at all and now my eldest son is going to college one day a week i'm not blaming the system that's what i've got to deal with but what are we saying when we know that young people are getting say where this in 1000 i'm sent recovery rate and actually when it's really very old people and it is respect really it's a discriminator a disease not an is not empty despair it's not sunday it is that people say it doesn't discriminate discriminate it's going to rise against old people who are very sick on the whole it does affect all the people but right now we've got flu

and we've got pneumonia considered normal illnesses killing children so there is this huge narrative the fed has been blown off portion and children are suffering because of our so how do we address that balance and how do we dress that balance that would be what i would like to say whether that's going to happen because it seems to be to anybody. the moment he goes against the clear narrative that we're being force fed whether that's changing laws that seem completely necessary to change and so on and so forth it seems to be that you know them branded somebody with conspiracy theory ideas and i'm the least conspiracy based person in the world i don't really have time for in my exhausting shut your will but what i can say is common sense and it seems to me that that's left the building where mental health and wellness is consent at the moment that a number of times should mention the economic consequences of lockdown coming home to roost and not comes with of course as financial pressure on families how much is financial pressure a very common cause of mental illness i mean i think that this is

a capitalist state you know it's as simple as that that we build our wealth in the west in the sense of and the u.k. being what we can afford and how we can pay our bills and it's the mark of our success whether that's right or wrong as a human that's kind of how it brought this net so when you have your security completely ripped away from you it doesn't just impacts on a of the sense which is financially the fact that you might not be answered by good food for your kids you know all those things remember through banks have been used more and more and more in the past few years because people can't afford to live i mean these are people who literally are working and still can't afford to live so when you lose that that's terrifying and listen i'm the 1st person to say that some of the biggest stories you ever hear about transition and success came from moments of great chaos and pain so that's the human condition most human beings are far more easily than they believe and it's when they've given up massive chaos that they recognize as resources but not everybody is like and we always have to think

it's a society about our weakest about our most struggling about our poorest that's what makes a good society right now we've literally in my opinion don't the opposite join us after the break but i'll be asking a mechanic for some fast time device for you for how to cope with. pun demick.

you just have to fly between 2 things and as fast as you can. watch i think i was watching the pretty much the british or the quebec. massless nature person rather. than. the original stories in person as the french creole of course moral russians in racing is competition in the extreme to have a follows the specified route between the lines with the fastest time just to get a dog loser is nothing but your going to church every church or dish plus low showed their relief for. you. welcome back alex is speaking with t.v.

psychologist and mccamey about the unique pressures on mental health we try to concerning i come over if extraordinary here. and know how to help these things going to play out long tell mother what secured so difficult so unprecedented so many factors but how do you feel things are going to play out in mental health in the long term. i think that if they remain within this social distancing families not being able to get together if they carry on doing that i think it would be pretty catastrophic for human beings listen one of the big problems i think humans have is you forget you're an animal you're an animal you know we might want to separate ourselves because we feel it's a constant conscious alchemists dick incredibly intelligent beings but actually basically you are a human animal and animals need socialization we're 98.8 percent related to our cousins who watch him pansies we have exactly the same clothes and it's as simple as that you know there are ancestors that d.n.a. it thrives 31 thing socialization you can't get there online you can't get on the

telephone it will be a really sad 2nd you need physical isolation connection you need to have momentary interactions with strangers you need to see their faces this isn't something me making this so this is about studies that we can evidence that have been existing since we started to research this we need each other we don't need to be walking around one way systems because again it deflects from the socialization that makes us human so that's going to be an issue a mental health and wellness so people we saw home now feeling completely they would have a problem at all in 2 years' time they'll have a breakdown of some so because that's what children tools when you're fed lots and lots of negatives over a period of time whether they come to fruition or otherwise the point is you get traumatized by carious late that's been happening constantly so that's another issue that maybe in a year or 2 yes we're going to have lots of people crippled by anxiety depression after that as you said the fact that we have the major economic calamity that we

know is occurring then that's going to additional eyes all of this mental health precious and mental illness and mental health are different so you know we all struggle with mental health issues you know people will develop mental illness but usually that's a separate issue to deal with what i'm talking about now which is pretty much all of us have got some anxiety depression regarding this particular virus and we want to get back to normal at some point and again. going back to what you said about uncertainty there seems to be very little uncertainty regarding the actual evidence that we should be being given that should make us feel better and a lot of certainty regarding the scare mongering that's putting people in even more positions one of the big things i think we need today is to start having some really positive conversations about the reality of where we are and not focusing on the negatives because it seems to me a really unusual when you look at it on an linea level a really unusual focus when you can see that over 1000 i'm so if people survive but the physical death toll direct and indirect is going to run to millions were in one

thing yeah i think the in direct particularly i a great i mean i think they've created with ethernet about $95000.00 in that that they expected for people who haven't been treated and haven't received the kind of cat that they need i know somebody who's just been diagnosed with breast cancer she's got 25 months and they said it's serious but sure she has an operation so these are real lives being affected but the other side of it is you can say that it discriminates you know when people are saying that message it doesn't dawes it discriminates people who are a major lee older majorly old not not at all like fifty's not even over $65.00 and he still looking at creeping up to the seventy's eighty's mark with all of the conditions it is a discriminates relisten always be the odd person just fit the paradigm which has some good 15 or has a brain hemorrhage or heart attack there are always people who don't fit the ordinary paradigm of experience but for the most it is discriminates ray but over and above these physical impacts and physical health are you saying with us no i'm

coming right down the tracks of the tsunami of mental health implications. everybody is working in this field from day dot when we started going into lockdown absolutely have been saying that this is because this is a concern that there is going to be a massive massive wave of people who just feel that their society is not one they recognize and they struggle with that or young people who feel that hopeless and there's not really much point being care what we really need to do now is think about all how do we to some degree chase narcissa people can feel less because at least if we drop the fear of little bit of people's i was i hit a levels will hopefully become a manageable which means that they'll be able to see the clouds clearing so that they can make the strategy of their lives that they might have to change due to things like unemployment and one last question when you were last on the show there's a huge reaction tremendous reaction of people commenting on what you had to say and how it related to them. a message of hope that you can give

a of us about how we can tackle this as individuals and get through it us as family groups. i mean most of all know that if you're feeling really stressed and anxious that's completely normal so you've had 6 months now of the prefrontal cortex which is an area of the brain which is all about high thinking critical analysis being able to solve problems it's really been impacted don't because you've had stress and anxiety which is only meant to a chemical charolais and what happens is that the brain gets in pass down and you make delay instant teria kind of takes over so you have months of this kind of high functioning area feeling like it's kind of been blitzed in like really affected so know that if you've not been feeling great if you've not been thinking clearly as things hopefully get back to normal you'll just automatically start to get a lift in that area and that will translate to you feeling a little bit better on top of that look if you've survived this long and even though it's been challenging and you've still got great relationships with people that you love reframe it you're blessed because it's great to miss people it's great to have those people that you know that you love in your life and that the

you and then on top of that look digitally detox i want doing that literally asked for a phone down quite a few times a day because when you have opinions like me you're obviously going to get met with a lot of negativity and i know the difference when i put my phone down i just hours out with my family and friends and i allow myself to have that level of pace so i try to use things like that if you apply to that constant onslaught you don't need the news that you really do because all you need to know is what happens in your life in your world so be clear that you don't have to watch that news and then on top of that if you really really are struggling and you need to talk to them they don't see helplines as an admission of defeat and certainly don't think that there was core of coal and sights u.k. o.c.d. u.k. obviously this martens all of these exist because they want people to call before they get crisis level pick up the phone and just speak to some day you can hear you because it makes a massive difference but most of all know that you're not going crazy at all because you feel at times that you're going

a little bit crazy it's been really tall and i can say that assumed they were constantly that mental health and knows that on least 3 times a week i'll sit there and think i just want to kind of go to a whole new island in stockholm new place where i don't have to live in this time and space and will it's a normal feeling so adjust that perspective yourself as well. they saw some great of face and look at me thank you so much for joining me and they're like salmon sure thanks for having me thanks for listening now everyone has devised their own method of surviving locked in but what to add just from stage and screen to when the theaters are closed and there are no gewirtz on which to trade the answer is simple launch your own online chat show 3 times a week and in just 6 months seem to 3 and a half 1000000 hits let's take a look at the ones are birds they wanted a predator debbie are no the anderson are you how you thought and she houston these 4 ladies have been associated with the whole bundle of primetime shows alex jones

and other to the fabulous 4 debbie are no understand. why they won t. well i wonder how to tell you that much herons created. not literally relation but it's a little knowledge to. thunderbird's sought from the above sob or saw debbie arnold the one who fully a supporter for calling yourself a wonderbook when actually it was it was harry sachs idea we were all sitting there and what they didn't know how to actually happen and it was was that it was the sort of even lockdown and we had a zoom call myself jeez sherry houston harriet it was so hilariously funny that i stitching or what we should talk to other people we should you know other people should see this and so with a bit of imagination with drian help from our friends we managed to get online and in the last 5 months we clocked up 3500000 hits how about her last straw you're

making me jealous no and. so our local shelley in the 4th year of the wonder bus always ceasar way of of your own i mean you're all theatrical through influence of the few boards to trade at the present moment where we have theaters being closed and so sure we're surviving a lot but we yes and actually it really helped us because we spoke to each other and we commiserate and we had a drink and we had a laugh and we just thought if we actually put it out there maybe other people it would help other people as well and it really has because we've had loads of emails from people saying it's really helped them in our town and that actually is help us as well and we realize actually there's a great audience out there and we're going to carry it on we're now a sort of an online chat show people come on big stars come on just as that of promote the book or film it's

a bit like the graham norton online actually yes and it's become an instant leagues become an institution i mean we need to be in an institution but it's become an institution we must send him out with and then wonder birds because you just said we've got this one on that one and she said what about 100 birds and so do you want yes why not. well to let there be i'm jealous of the number of heads she get for the 3 times a week sure but the names of the guests of extraordinary as well so give us a sample was a favorite moment from one of these big star yes if i don't well i will you know call a great. resume schrager of the speaker got one i think you know it was a great honor for neat sydney plunks i'd never met him before and i'm a massive fan so that was each but i think we call it greatly because we just we he's a friend of all of us and so he had so many tales to sow tell them that when the 1st ripple are of the turn to some new episode you have your most tremendous tie a moment did you ever forget the go big trouble you've been in so many volved so

many programs so many productions it will actually forget you're doing the show and the view of just a conversation between friends is that the secret absolutely in fact because i haven't met got one for instance and i actually put out this very sort of low cut dress that looked like i was naked with a cup kwan and he does this show how to look good naked and he suddenly looked at me and went but personally for them something occurred so actually you do forget that you're on the air you know you get your even in front of millions of people and suddenly you just say really weird things or outrageous things but we love it because we can be ourselves that's the main thing we're not actually hiding behind characters we're just saying what you know heartfelt things and that's really important because it's a very dark times for so many people and uncertainty is still huge in so many areas . the correspondence the emails are getting in the reflect the people are saying

they're fine goodness is something i can turn on and gas and have a good laugh or both and yes very much so alex actually we're getting some really heartfelt emails in from people saying we've changed our lines and i have to say they've been hans towers. because we feel we're giving something back as well so we will help each other and would realize that's why i would say. you know we have we have we see where government shows that when the shares are running we have comments that come up all the time so people actually need send in a meeting room he's taken the business to a completely different you know area really be pretty amazing they arrange to meet before the shows night chats online and they chat during our shows it is really quite funny to see the things they talk about old debutant you had today how do you what are you wearing you know that the trunk friends and i think a lot that's not nice people get how this many friends are now they feel that we are their friends that debbie on the view played so ringback many characters in so many shows. was an interview for the visits they got this soft of chat show on why

you moses a new departure for you on a followed by well i find out you've done it all before you know this morning into you know such shows before lots of shows being a panelist and not a not i she never done loose women but having said that yeah i mean and it was something that's happened it's sam something that i've always wanted to do but i thought well you know another can do it and the contrast it thing about doing this is that we are able to control the show he thought of it it's our show we did it it's only an hour and we can show that so we don't have anybody sitting there in the big box saying ah she's not doing too well this is so we're going to take it off so that feeling of control is is fantastic you know and i think this is what you know within our business is what's happening now because so many people are put stop and zoom and they are now in control of their destiny and i think i just needed to do that for a long time or debbie of the understand more power to elbow one thank you so much

for joining me now examine till. we've not got to see you soon but i here take care. there has been much discussion about the longer term health impact of corporate 90 wiring indications that could survive as a beset with a legacy of debilitating physical health conditions we are bracing for the onset of an economic tsunami as emergency support schemes start to dwindle and economic consequences of low carb come home to roost however there is a 3rd horsemen of the corporate apocalypse which may be just as devastating as the 1st to the impact of unprecedented pressure and uncertainty on mental health as emma kenny tells us the full consequences are still little understood but one thing is certain open discussion and debate is a necessary for step in facing that 1000 crisis but for now from alex myself and all of the short stay safe and we hope to see you all again next week.

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