when customers go buy your supplies. then else will reduce alarm. that's undercutting not what's good for supermarket it's not good for the global economy. welcome to the alex salmond show where to take a look at the long term impact of the pandemic on mental health help t.v. psychologist emma can you give somebody tool tips on how to cope with the particular pressures of this unique here as what is about family health and are being joined by fears about family finances and then a wonder bread to argo as alex meets a group of very lively web and we decided to tackle lockdown by launching their own

online chat show featuring a number of special guests including paul o'grady sally dana part got one unfair for the night all that's coming up in our show but 1st over to alex with your tweets emails and messages. quite a reaction to last week's show on the big 4 thanks to dr frank honea a public health expert from x. to university who engaged online with so many of us and then not them julian says i enjoy hearing dr buying honey is views which are always thoughtful and considerate but i want to assess seeing the whole of the makers trying to be the quarantine plot gets me riled cain says it dumbfounds me there's a warning period all it does is give people a chance to circumvent the public health measures and ralph he says i lay the blame at governments myself they let it happen i s.s.r. says refreshing to have the topic of covert covered with solutions instead of

speculation and money and therapists and says thank you for the great show of this monstrous talk about dr plank hania was listened to be less death in make noise straits a different note he says track and trace social isolation of all failed miserably to be covert 19 or even get it under control when our politicians going to realize that this is a failed strategy now back to the us media. and i can use just about the best known psychologist in the u.k. through her residence but on morning television in the same week she shared with the nation her grief on the death of her much loved and to the english education secretary but he wouldn't get anywhere and 2 he started to trust a teacher emma has become an important voice and how to emerge from looked at you with your mental health intact here's an eye in conversation with ballet. amoco many people for whom we last spoke we were right in the middle of the lot don't period then you would talk about the very very particular pressures on people at

that stage home of these pressures developed over the last few months i mean personally i think i've intensified and i think they've intensified the lots of quite common sense reasons so the economy is really struggling and people have lost their jobs and this is equally more permanent feature the way the lockdowns gone from a temporary measure to something that feels like it's almost permanent and then the fact that services have been crippled to some degree because access has been tonight in lots of different areas where mental health is concerned i think people really are struggling because something that felt like it was going to be quite a temporary experience a spell become past a permanent fixture so yeah i'm definitely saying that people are more anxious more depressed more really disturbed about the future and also i just think that the linearity of the process to do with the way that it's been handled at a government level has been so confusing that that means that people don't necessarily trust the leadership and that of course in turn makes us feel even more

consciously anxious about the situation is about certainty and uncertainty because in the lot don't period although a new field difficult very very upsetting for people there was a certain degree of certainty about it most things seem much more uncertain about the timescale for the pandemic about which areas a lot though them which are as you write will say about economic pressures this is a question of certainty being replaced but even more uncertainty. one of the things i think has been certain is a consistent theme regarding the survival rate of coronavirus which is over 99 percent so that has been certain but i don't feel like necessarily people have been hearing that so that's let's at least say because the measures have got so drastic and so different and so unusual to other ways of handling scenarios prefer it is today and with socially journal the pressures that kind of completing people's

opinions that are in keeping in particular narrative for her and i think that caused uncertainty but now the big uncertainty is what will life look like for us because a lot of us want to get what's normal but actually that doesn't look like it's something that's going to happen anytime soon you're so populous perhaps britain's best known psychologist because of your t.v. role is that you're very open about the pressures on yourself from family tragedies has grief been a huge issue people have lost relatives been unable to grieve properly. i mean i definitely think even myself my father killed himself last year and then obviously i had some great with my animal die in kobe but also i work with a lot of people who come to me to talk about the grief that they've been experiencing of losing loved ones joe in this period of completely unrelated issues my really close and her father died of a heart attack and obviously that meant that she didn't have the usual ritual that you'd be given if you were given the option to have funerals and so on and so forth

in the way that we used to ringback and one of the things that we've seen during this experience is that maybe the very vulnerable who should have been looked after weren't but now we have a whole generation of children and this is my real real problem at the moment mental health wise our children are crying out they are really experiencing deep long term problems and it's almost like we have forgotten about a generation who truly are suffering and struggling so apart from grief i'm looking not just at grief in the very obvious physical context of when we lose people that we adore and be denied the ritual that goes with that i'm talking about grief of expectation grief of hope grief regarding poverty grief at the class system even further opening up and becoming more of a diversity than it should be anyway with or all equality is already i'm talking about that kind of grief so grief is a great word to use when you speak to young people has been a huge amount of the shop on the exams and people waiting for the sun or all of the

you talk about a bit more than a friend and young people. listen i'm talking about the fact that ok the suicide results won't be have for a period of time so people don't understand that now when people are checking online and there are people saying that the suicide rate is risen but you can fact check that actually because the coroner's court takes between 6 and 12 months to actually validate a suicide so we don't know how many suicides have happened during this period and we can say that in the press has been a lot of reporting about the militia. suicide suspected deaths shall we say from suicide so we have seen a lot of them but that might not play out statistically but one of the things that we did know was in the 1st 56 days of lockdown there was an increased child suicide rate and it was pretty pretty big you know for that time compared to the 56 days before and i feel like there seems to be in this really big position on caring about the elderly which we should of course we should but what about all those

young people who are growing into a well 1st of their recognize secondly don't feel is listening to that needs and most importantly doesn't seem to reflect what they require so children are going back to school in bubbles 'd are not allowed to play in the way that they should feel that they're able to play all the socialization things a so key an important development and fortunately now we're having people brave enough to speak out that through research and we've got great report out today talking about that it's been almost as if people have been too afraid to just speak the truth about the fears that they have and i think that that's something that really needs to shift so i get a lot of problematic responses because i won't be quiet and people attack me for that but i'm not worried about now a new attack in may i just know that in 5 years i want to be proud of the fact that took that position because i cared enough about people's mental health and wellness i mean most of philip demotic i'm very disturbing revolution what can be done to help the young generation who are under so much pressure i mean i think 1st and

foremost it's about recognizing that what covert is done is it's even more marginalized poor communities i mean if there's something that we can take from the statistics it is told to us obviously poverty has a big place to play in inequality of health and we need to explore how we can resource those environments not around vaccines i'm not talking about you know about going and making all social distancing a mask where impairment quite the contrary and saying like what is the story is telling us wife a narrative change that we can create from that and that has to be a to recognize that there is a major one percent in this column. ok there are very very rich and then there are very much the people who are struggling and very much in between that there seems to be this kind of unusual space where people are listening to the really dark stories that are coming out of our society we seeing them day in and day out my big thing at the moment is that we know that mental health is so frank we know that most people in the u.k. have had a period of mental distress during this period of time i think then their narrative has got massive consequences it's going to come out and most of all what you said

before about education listen i can see the inequality hugely personally i have 2 children at school neither of which have been given any education for 6 months at all and now my eldest son is going to college one day a week i'm not blaming the system that's what i've got to deal with but what are we saying when we know that young people are getting say where this in 1000 i'm sent recovery rate and actually when it's really very old people and it is respect really it's a discriminator a disease not an is not empty despair it's not sunday it is that people say it doesn't discriminate does is going to say it's going to get old people who are very sick on the whole it does affect other people but right now we've got flu and we've got pneumonia that considered normal illnesses killing children so there is this huge narrative the fed has been blown up washington and children are suffering because of that so how do we address that balance and how do we dress that balance that would be what i would like to say whether that's going to happen because it seems to be to anybody at the moment who goes against the clear narrative that

we're being force fed at whether that's changing laws seem completely necessary to change and so on and so forth it seems to be that you know them branded somebody with conspiracy theory ideas not the least conspiracy face person in the world i don't really have time for in my exhausting shut show but what i can say is common sense and it seems to me that that's left the building where mental health and wellness is consent at the moment not a number of times had mentioned the economic consequences of law coming home to roost and not come. with that of course there's financial pressure on families how much is financial pressure a very common cause of mental us i mean i think that this is a capitalist state you know it's as simple as that that we build our wealth in the west in the sense of and the u.k. being what we can afford and how we can pay our bills and it's the mark of our success whether that's right or wrong as a human that's kind of how it broke isn't it so when you have your security

completely ripped away from you it doesn't just impacts on a of the sense which is financially and the fact that you might have answered by good studio kates you know all those things remember through banks have been used more and more and more in the past few years because people can't afford to live i mean these are people who literally are working and still can't afford slip so when you lose that that's terrifying and listen i'm the 1st person to say that some of the biggest stories you ever hair about transition and success come from moments of great chaos and pain so that's the human condition most human beings are more easily than they believe and it's one that given the massive chaos that they recognize as resources but not everybody is like that and we always have to think is as i say about our weakest about our most struggling about all chorused that's what makes a good society i'm right now we've literally 'd in my opinion don't the opposite join us after the break i'll be asking i'm a candidate for some fast time device for you for how to cope with the pandemic.

i. i i i i. i i i i i. welcome back alex is speaking with t.v. psychologist emma kenny about the unique pressures on mental health which other concerning i've come up with extraordinary here. and know how to help these things going to long term i know it's a hugely difficult so unprecedented so many factors but how do you feel things are

going to play out the mental health of the long term. i think that if they remain within this social distancing families not being able to get together if they carry on doing that i think it would be pretty catastrophic for human beings listen one of the big problems i think humans have is you forget you're an animal you're an animal you know we might want to separate ourselves because we feel it and conscious alchemists dick incredibly intelligent beings but actually basically you are a human animal and animals need socialization you're 98.8 percent related to our cousins who watch him pansies we have exactly the same clothes and it's as simple as that you know there are ancestors that d.n.a. it thrives 31 thing socialization you can't get online you can't get on the telephone it will be a really sad 2nd you need physical isolation touch connection you need to have momentary interactions with strangers you need to see their faces this isn't something me making this so this is about studies that we can evidence that have

been existing since we started to research this we need each other we don't need to be walking around one way systems because again it deflects from the socialization that makes us human so that's going to be an issue a mental health and wellness so people we saw home now feeling completely they would have a problem at all in 2 years' time they'll have a breakdown of some so because that's what children those when you're fed lots and lots of negatives over a period of time whether they come to fruition or otherwise the point is you get traumatized by kerry slate that's been happening constantly so that's another issue that maybe in a year or 2 yes we're going to have lots of people crippled by anxiety depression after that as you said the fact that we have the major economic calamity that we know is occurring then that it's going to additional eyes all of this mental health precious and mental illness and mental health are different so you know we all struggle with mental health issues you know people will develop mental illness but usually that's a separate issue to deal with what i'm talking about now which is pretty much all

of us have got some anxiety depression we've gotten used to kill a virus we want to get back to normal at some point and again. going back to what you said about uncertainty there seems to be very 'd little uncertainty regarding the actual evidence that we should be keeping it and that should make us feel better and a lot of certainty regarding the scaremongering that's putting people in even more traumatized positions one of the big things i think we need today is to stop having some really positive conversations about the reality of where we are and not focusing on the negatives because it seems to me a really unusual when you look at it on an linea level a really unusual focus when you can see that over 1000 i'm so if people survive but the physical death toll direct and indirect is going to run to millions were in one thing yeah i think the in direct particularly i a great i mean i think they've created with ethernet about $95000.00 in that that they expected for people who haven't been treated and haven't received the kind of cat that they need i know somebody who's just been diagnosed with breast cancer

she's got 25 months and they said it's serious but i'm sure she has an operation so these are real lives being affected but the other side of it is you can say that it discriminates you know when people are saying that message it doesn't dawes it discriminates people who are a major lee older majorly old not not at all like fifty's not even over $65.00 you still looking at creeping up to the seventy's eighty's mark with all of the conditions it is it discriminates relisten always be the odd person just fit the paradigm which has some 15 or has a brain hemorrhage or heart attack there are always people who don't fit the ordinary paradigm of experience but for the most it is discriminates ray but over and above these physical impacts and physical health are you saying with us no i'm coming right down the tracks of the tsunami of mental health implications. everybody is working in this field from day dot when we started going into lockdown absolutely have been saying that this is because this is a concern that there is going to be

a massive massive wave of people who just feel that their society is not one they recognize and they struggle with that or young people who feel that hopeless and there's not really much point being care what we really need to do now is think about all how do we to some degree chase narratives of people can be a lesson because at least if we drop the spirit little bit of people's i was i to levels will hopefully become a manageable which means that they'll be able to see the clouds clearing so that they can make the strategy of the life that they might have to change due to things like unemployment and one last question when you were last on the show there's a huge reaction tremendous reaction of people commenting on what you had to say and how it related to them. a message of hope that you can give a of us about how we can tackle this as individuals and get through it us as family groups. i mean most of all know that if you're feeling really stressed and anxious that's completely normal so you've had 6 months now of the prefrontal cortex which

is an area of the brain which is all about high thinking critical analysis being able to solve problems it's really been impacted don't because you've had stress and anxiety which is only meant to a chemical charolais and what happens is that the brain gets in pass down and you make delay instinct area kind of takes over so you've had months of this kind of high functioning area feeling like it's kind of been blitzed in like really affected so know that if you've not been feeling great if you've not been thinking clearly as things hopefully get back to normal you'll just automatically start to get a lift in that area and that will translate to you feeling a little bit better on top of that look if you've survived this long and even though it's been challenging and you've still got great relationships with people that you look for a frame and you're blessed because it's great to miss people it's great to have those people that you know that you love in your life and that the you and then on top of that look digitally detox i am doing that literally asked for a phone down quite a few times a day because when you have opinions like me you're obviously going to get met with a lot of negativity and i know the difference when i put my phone down i just hours

out with my family and friends and i allow myself to have that level of pace so i try to use things like that if you apply to that constant onslaught you don't need the news that you really do because all you need to know is what happens in your life in your world so be clear that you don't have to watch that news and then on top of that if you really really are struggling and you need to talk to them they don't see helplines as an admission of defeat and certainly don't think that there was core of coal and sights u.k. o.c.d. u.k. obviously this martens all of these exist because they want people to call before they get crisis level pick up the phone and just speak to some day you can hear you because it makes a massive difference but most of all know that you're not going crazy at all because you feel at times that you're going a little bit crazy it's been really tall and i can say that assumed they were constantly that mental health and knows that on least 3 times a week i'll sit there and think i just want to kind of go to a whole new island in stockholm you i swear i don't have to live in this time and

space and will it's a normal feeling so i just that perspective yourself as well. they saw some great of face and look at me thank you so much for joining me and they're like salmon sure thanks for having me thanks for listening now everyone has devised their own method of surviving locked in but what to add just from stage and screen to when the theaters are closed and there are no gewirtz on which to trade the answer is simple launch your own online chat show 3 times a week and in just 6 months seem to 3 and a half 1000000 hits let's take a look at the ones approach the wonderbra terry debbie are no the anderson are you how you thought and she houston these 4 ladies have been associated with the whole bundle of primetime shows alex joins end of the to the fabulous 4 debbie are not understood. why i wonder bob's key wow i wonder how to tell you that much herons created. not literally relation but it's

a little knowledge to. thunderbird's sought from the bubs of bor saw the arnold the one who fully a supporter for calling yourself a wonderbook when actually it was it was harry soaps idea we were all sitting there and what they didn't know how to actually happen and it was was that it was the sort of evil lock down and we had a zoom call myself jeez sherry houston harriet it was so hilariously funny guy stitching that what we should talk to other people we should you know other people should see this and so with a bit of imagination which drian help from our friends we managed to get online and in the last 5 months we clocked up 3500000 hits how about her last straw you're making me jealous no and. so our local shelley and the before a few other one and a bunch of over ceasar we're for of your own you're all theatrical through

influence of the few boards to clear the present moment where we have theaters being closed and so sure we're surviving a lot but we yes and actually it really helped us because we spoke to each other and we commiserated and we had a drink and we had a lot and we just thought if we actually put it out there maybe other people it would help other people as well and it really has because we've had loads of emails from people saying it's really helped them in our town and that actually is help us as well and we realise actually there's a great audience out there and we're going to carry it on we're now a sort of an online chat show people come on big stars come on just to sort of promote the book whole film is a bit like the graham norton online actually yes and it is becoming is to come any institution i mean we need to be in an institution but it's become an institution we must send our equipment with and then wonder birds because you just said we've got this one on that one and she said what about 100 birds and so do you want yes

why not. but do it there be i'm jealous of the number of head she get for the 3 times a week show but the names of the guests of extraordinary as well so give us a sample was a favorite moment from one of these big star yes if i don't well i will you know call a great. resume schrager of the speech got i think you know it was a great honor 3870 flunks i'd never met him before and i'm a massive fan so that was each but i think we will agree to disagree because we he's incredible to us and so he had so many tales to sell that in the 1st ripple our of the turn to some new episode most tremendous type a moment did you ever forget the go big trouble you've been in so many volved so many programs so many productions that it will actually forget you're doing the show and the view of just a conversation between friends is that the secret absolutely in fact because i

haven't met got one for instance and i actually put out this very sort of low cut dress that looked like i was naked with a cop kwan and he does this show how to look good naked and he suddenly looked at me when that person or that something the kurds are actually you do forget that you're on the air you know you get your even in front of millions of people and suddenly you just say really weird things or outrageous things but we love it because we can be ourselves that's the main thing we're not actually hiding behind characters we're just saying what you know heartfelt things and that's really important because it's a big dark times for so many people and uncertainty is still huge and so many areas . the correspondence the e-mails are getting in the reflect that people are saying they're fine goodness here's something i can turn on and gas and have a good laugh or both and yes very much so alex actually we're getting some really hot phelps e-mails in from people saying we've changed our lines and i have to say

they've been hans towers. because we feel we're giving something back as well so we will help each other and would realize that's why i would say. you know we have we have we see where government shows that when michelle is running we have comments that come up all the time so people actually need send in a meeting room at least taking the business to a complete different you know area really be pretty amazing they arranged to meet before the show's night chats online and they chat during our shows and it's really quite funny to see the things they talk about old debutant my hair today how do you what are you wearing you know that the trunk friends and i think a lot that's not nice people get how as many friends are now they feel that we all deference that debbie on the view played so ringback many characters in so many shows. was an interview for the visit they got this soft of chat show on why you moses a new departure for you on a followed by well if a no you've done all before you know this morning into you know such certain shows before lots of shows being a panelist and not know i should know the dallas women but having said that yes i

mean and it was something that's happened it's sam something that i've always wanted to do but i thought well you know nothing can do it and the contrast it thing about doing this is that we are able to control the show he thought of it it's our show we did it it's only an hour and we can show that so we don't have anybody sitting there in the big box saying a lot she's not doing too well this is so we're going to take it off so that feeling of control is is fantastic you know and i think this is what you know within our business is what's happening now because so many people have put stuff in zoom and they are now in control of their destiny and i think i just needed to do that for a long time or there be aboe of the day on this and more elbow and thank you so much for joining me in the alexandre until then i believe that you have to see you soon but i here take care. there has been much discussion about the longer term health impact of corporate 19 whiting indications that could survive as

a percent for the legacy of debilitating physical health conditions we are bracing for the onset of an economic tsunami as emergency support schemes start to dwindle and economic consequences of low come home to roost however there is a 3rd horsemen of the corporate apocalypse which may be just as devastating as the 1st to the impact of unprecedented pressure and uncertainty on mental health as emma kenny tells us the full consequences are still little understood but one thing is certain open discussion and debate is a necessary for step in facing that 1000 crisis but for now from alex myself and all of the sure stay safe and we hope to see you all again next week.

so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy. let it be an arms race. and spearing dramatic development only loosely i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. seemed wrong why don't we all just don't call. me. yet to shape our. attitude. and engagement equals betrayal.

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