you're going to win those swing states don't worry ok well i wish it were that simple ok because. american industry has been hollowed out i would say a number of presidents allowed it to happen and watched american c.e.o.'s do it ok so i think we need like a church commission to investigate how this all happened here tom let me go to you i mean you're an old china hand same question to you because i've been living in russia for 22 years and i every every single news cycle russia has misunderstood and i'd have to agree with james china's even more misunderstood and that's quite remarkable go ahead you know i remember reading i think it was in 2000 or 2000 who wants a national geographic said that the american people are ignorant about all things asia and especially china and quite honestly it hasn't gotten any better of late this election cycle is not much different than the site create with james that the

amplifier is going to be around the plane china strategy the g.o.p. amount all they came out a few weeks about a month ago talks explicitly about that when anything comes up blain china issue that to me is that may be a good political strategy the question is whether. that's really going to set us in a good position as we move forward as james pointed out 1.4 percent and people. a large economy growing all the time how are we going to assure that china doesn't become a nightmare more than a dream where we can find ways in order to work together we need to get past this election cycle and whoever is elected is going to have some repair work to do to assure that china's rise doesn't come that the u.s.

is demise ok well james if this kind of begs the question because. people are commenting about a new cold war i don't like that phrase because the cold war that all of us remember was very specific and it was very ideologically driven this is not the case here so it does does america need china as an enemy it seems that american foreign policy always is looking for the next hitler and it looks like china is the next hitler in the minds of the form the blob because i'd like to point out up until about the february this year it was hardly ever mention that china is a communist country and the communist party of china they constantly pound away at that and that's all obviously an echo to the cold war that we all lived through ahead james. this is a very old tradition in american politics in american history that the chinese if you listen to pompei on all the spokespeople there's the chinese people we love the chinese people all the chinese haters say it 1st the chinese people are

wonderful hardworking people we have nothing against them but if those commies so 200 years ago it was the emperor the chinese people were great they all want to be just like us christian block dinners but it's the emperor that stopping them from becoming americanised and then it was my pajamas he was keeping the top people down if we could just get rid of mouths of chinese people are going to rise up demand democracy and now if you listen to it there is no more china in pompei i'll speak it's the c c p the chinese communist party as if that's like 3 guys and if we just move them put them in another room everything's going to be ok there's 90000000 people in the chinese communist party this is this is the largest i call it a mandarin you know the old mandarins there's the emperor and the mandarin beijing 90000000 chinese communist populations larger than european countries very

competent people who have to rise through a meritocracy to get where they are and we're going to push this aside the chinese people are very happy with their their government relatively nothing's perfect but look at the accomplishments of the of the of the chinese communist party from the chinese side then you'll see that pompei is just making this up yet he did come to one of the things that he did when i when i look at media coverage of china. there is this amazing unwillingness to say the obvious of what is how his china has changed in the last 40 years i mean you'll. he's here they're building more nuclear weapons and they're building their navy and you know all of their military technology but they don't talk about how many people per pulled out of poverty and how china is on the cutting edge of so many technologies right now because you

can't admit that because it will then you have to look in the mirror and look at your own failings and this is what american elites can simply refuse to do is it it's not the success of china it you know they don't want to talk about the success of china but they certainly won't admit they're all of the neo liberalism and how that is really damaged the united states' economy and its middle class. if you take a look at what's transpired and in the people's republic of china over the last half century clearly there's the good the bad. and if you point out the bad and you're interfering in china's internal affairs and and you can get banned and pushed aside as it's relates to working with the party and others within china but as you pointed out peter there has been in the fact is that china's more people out of abject poverty then and we have people in the united states of america perhaps double that number as we look at trying to to hold china back

that's not going to happen we're going to think that somehow or another that we're not sunk our chest and china is going to fall to the united states. wishful thinking and so while we need to think it's a strategy to address the issues the real issues which china between the united states china and other democracies we also need an investment strategy in the american people when we take a look at what china is doing around artificial intelligence big data technology it's not just the factory of the world anymore they're in the game to win i'm told you're going us box europe in the one. and d.c. suburbs and when i got into the rank you know with my best friend i was there to win and it should come as no surprise to us i mean i find it kind of amazing that people say china is looking to beat us well no candidate. who strives to be number

2 said china is going to be there so the question has to be whether it's to biden or trump whatever is going to be the leader what are you going to do to invest in infrastructure in america our roads bridges airports the train system i mean it's a joke compared to what you say the investment of the chinese people so what are we going to do to invest in an education workforce development research and research and develop those are the issues that we need to focus on and while we point to the bogeyman of china that isn't doing a darn thing to the people that james talked about in those midwestern states i'm one i'm here in michigan we certainly have been hurt not only by globalization and china but automation technology which is really wreak havoc and has been similar to the economic tsunami that goes in 1000 is unleashed on the world you know james i'm

really glad that become mention this because you know the competition we elise all 3 of us i'm sure were brought up competition is good because it brings out the best in you and it brings the best out of your opponent as well but it's because china is just different and it must be the must be unfair they're cheating that they're not playing on a level playing field you know you always hear all these excuses here not now well just as we just heard the u.s. just refuses to invest in itself and its people and this is what happens ok it's no surprise this is happening and and in tom's absent chinese here too out there to weigh in and that makes perfect sense to me and it we need a policy to getting gauges that that avoids conflict obviously and actually competition can find. profits for both sides if you look at it in a in a rational way if this is history great powers rise and fall maybe in one of these moments now go ahead james. you know i agree with you that there's tectonic plates

plates changing is bigger than just the u.s. and and china a lot of changes taking place but within the china u.s. situation yes they want to win and in my book it goes back to remember back in the 1990 s. when we had newt gingrich and bill clinton and sex scandals and and the new york times is full of 5 pages of detail about sex and then we moved on to bush and we had to take trillions of dollars and put it in the sand in the middle east well in the 1990 s. when we were. arguing about nonsense the founders of weiwei were sleeping on cement floor dreaming of 5 g. they're worried about the next meal. china was you know right now we're surprised you know china i. and all this high tech and we've got to invest and we've got to

get gaunt that i was touring china in the early 2000 making these speeches we've got to get go and we've got to stop investing in blowing up sand and start investing in our own country there's a race for the future and i could see it happening in china but you know we're going to hear this in 2016 no one is you did it ok i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion of perceptions of china at stake.

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welcome back across town where all things are considered i'm peter let me remind you we're talking about perceptions and misperceptions of china. ok let's go back was go back to detroit you know tom one of the things that i have been observing here particularly there was a pentagon report on the on the defense department about assessing china and it was pretty grim reading and i'd like to point everyone out there's a wonderful article in the american conservative all sums it up i think it's still there from. me it seems to me that there's always this kind of knee jerk response when there's a. the pentagon is you know it's a hammer and everything it's he's in the world is a nail ok and and we've seen in that we've talked about previously the 1st part of the program is that when ailes america is not necessarily china threat it is the inability to respond to the threat and i will invoke you know the military.

industrial complex this is a this is another gravy train just like take korean peninsula which is the gravy train for if they don't change it the status quo is great because everybody's making a lot of money don't take it with nato because everybody is making a lot of money the same thing is going is happening now with china and sitting day 18 china. as the as a peer power ok which i think we all should do admit it at least on most metrics here but no what's this plan for for military conflict it seems to me that is so counterproductive that really what we really needed for that kind of relationship that we should have china go ahead let really goes back you know and when i reflect on it current up in d.c. in the sixty's in nappanee relationship with china i remember 2 sayings my mom telling me to eat mikey's the children are starving in china i still have the onload to mail those peas to the children of china and my dad telling me to stop digging in the backyard because i'm going to let the commies them and i'm going to

fall into china. but i didn't factor for it in a children's book i'm in the process of getting published where i talk about you know that i've fallen into this hole that my dad told me and i look back from 1063 falling into the hole and waking up in china in 2020 and i look back through the hole to america and i see the challenges that we are facing whether it's split food insecurity unemployment the disaster on the response to the global pandemic and you can blame china for their slow response but we have to take a look internally of what we did after we know we have serious problems in this country to address the last thing that we need to do is be going on some military it better and spending trillions of dollars and that i should

imagine if those dollars the james talked about a minute ago. did invest over the last few decades in the people of the united states of america and in other western democracies and making this world truly safer for us all i think that we would see a different view of america when i look back through that hole that i fell into and so right now china is not just eating our lunch they're eating our dinner as well if we don't get serious about invest in america and have continue to have these problems but you know what i worry about time is that is that china will be the excuse not to invest you see what i'm saying this is the same thing the same mines that you know you know the middle east this is pretty cheap backwater of no strategic value to the united states whatsoever the world is 0 wash with oil there's

a there's still. they go by i feature by distrait shouldn't won't we're going to get him we're going to go back into syria and you know and we're not going to pull out troops here i mean this is always an excuse not to invest in the american people you know james i was in beijing i think was 2 summers ago and i was obviously invited to london bridge presentations and very i mean it was amazing trip and i as a big talker i always was asking questions and i ask the same question to i'd say like a dozen people and i'd say what is the size of the middle class who's in the middle class james you know what i got the same answer each time we're all the middle class and that is such a remarkable statement and that shows a level of competence so when i went there and came back i came away with the following they know where they're going they know how to get there and they know they will get there and that is the sense of confidence that i've never seen before

maybe when i was a child in america in the midwest that was an american way of thinking it's not it that the case anymore and so when when i look at china you know they need all of this chest beating the chinese just brushed it off you know we're going to get we're going to get to it and you know and if you want to get in the way fine but we're going to get work at where our destination and i think that that's an assault confident society that i've never seen. since my child go ahead james you know i have never heard anybody say that but that's exactly it was my 1st impression when i 1st went to china it was that these guys are better outro while they know who they are they know where they're going and in their bodies just hope the way they help themselves talk to you not arrogant but we're one 4th of humanity you know we have this long history we know who we are we know where we're going. america is america doesn't have those plans we just have the next election look when john

kennedy took over from eisenhower eisenhower said your biggest problem is laos. kennedy didn't know anything about laos he reaches out for the levers that a president might have been lalas and what were they they were a cia secret airline laos becomes the most bomb spot in the world with china we reach out what do we have do we have like 30 years of mandarin learning like sputnik that we started 30 years ago to you know do we start our wa ways in the 1990 and we don't have any of those levers we have the military lever so we're we're confrontational in the south china sea and in the himalayas now we're in thailand trying to do things and you know that that's that's all we've got and we should have more we have to change this and the time is not a go ahead you know that is it that is clearly a part of it but the other is we're disinvest in ways that as

a really frightening to say you know has announced today that we're taking a 1000 students out of china and there's 300000 students that are time studying here and there in america i mean i believe that a future leader of china is in one of our universities today so how we build this relationship and develop those soft power connections are going to be vitally important and where roading a lot of the bridges that have been built between the people at the subnational clearly i think our congress and president should be dealing with some of these national issues you know unfair trade or theft as intellectual property or tension whether in the middle east or global economic theories but it's a sub national levels the governors and mayors superintendents of schools university presidents excessive we have to find ways to build that cultural educational and economic bridge between the 2nd and the 1st largest

economy in the world to think otherwise is to dream. and nightmare you know it james that the fundamental problem as i see it is that we always think of it we're told to think about china as it when you think in terms of its geography and the communist communist ideology the party the leader but i think you know it both of you knowing chinese history china thinks of itself as a civilizational experiment a phenomena it goes way beyond this c.c.p. ok and the problem is here we have a we have the largest population in the world that thinks of itself as a civilization for the good and then you have american exceptionalism and this is what makes it that's why i don't like to look at the cold war with the soviet union but now we have a phenomenon here of south america the american athletes are self-confident in

american exceptionalism even though they betray it all the time they played lip service to it ok and this is this clash right here because the u.s. is incapable of. and acknowledging appear a real peer because the soviet union was never an economic threat ever and there was almost no trade with it ok this is such a top it totally different situation right now and i wonder if the american mind mindset is capable of adjusting to appear go ahead james. i think maybe we're not capable of adjusting to appear if you listen to. you know the pump alles folks that he has out talking this anti china thing and if you listen closely in the 3rd or 4th paragraph when they get to that essence of the threat the threat is. american dominance the threat is america that

china might become a leader there you know china's not going to bomb chicago china does not want to invade you know go around the world and invade argentina what china wants to do is become a better china and america is unable to accept that for for a number of historical racial emotional reasons and we're surprised that that we're so challenge that this point well what tom just said about the challenges in america and we have to rebuild i imagine he and i were talking this way about 20 years ago you know at some point america's either got to get it got to get on the train and compete or you know what we could be a rich number 2 so what if china is the number one economic power in the world and we're number 2 we could double the size of our economy in that world but psychologically we don't we're we're not allowing ourselves to think that these

chinese really have their act together you know given right in america get streaming number one. you know that old saying i'm here to try start and china has and trying hard for over 4000 years. and certainly as a struggle to the century if you only you know the asian from 1849 i think or you know i. kind of get back to where they were and a lot of people forget that china was the world's largest economy probably you know 20. 18 of the last 20. 21 centuries to soak some tar not of the water and its own level should come as no surprise to us we had to get up every day and compete to work to remain number one and as james pointed out. if china because countries do surpass other countries if you look back in our world

history it happens i think as they say on the straight stuff happens so what are we going to do to assure that their rise doesn't come out are the ones you know became so it seems to me that. the thinking is reverse and we've already touched on it is that if you make americans stronger and give them a future and give them certainty then then that and that's a self-confident country on the world stage it's not a self comping country the world stage because most people feel alienated from it and no one is everyone has the american people what they think about china we're just told what to think about china and i think that is a real live duty it's much better to have a rich country where people have something invested in it and i think then you would have a very different america and and just relying upon that on the military but we've seen you know particularly since the end of the cold war that leads to an entry

treasury a lot of dough dead american soldiers and in the human casualties of these expeditions it's been quite tragic and wasteful here are you gentlemen that's all the time we have here i want to thank my guests in detroit and in new zealand and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time remember it's. analogous or wrong. i don't know. i mean the world to get to shape out these days to come out to it and engagement equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart if we choose to look for common ground.

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