try to create stability and peace around the world and also not leave that is the american interest so i think that when we reduce these arguments into something about do or not do this is it's you know yoda and starwars this is this is a complicated foreign policy you know discussion and i think we have to take it case by case but you've got you could but make a blanket out but it's a difference with all due respect i think the american people are tired of it's complicated ok that's why we need leadership and i don't think the president trying to send a very good job in this respect they're going to line here why is that the binary isolationism interventionism i see that all the time it's a false argument why and i'm still trying to get over the ocean of fomenting peace i love that notion of we're going to do we're going to enrage people we're going to to increase the courage of the vortex for peace by by engaging our military to foment peace we are forgetting the fame and if you will of

the essence of this issue and that is simply this what is our mission nobody is against military involvement military action defending our allies but the idea that our of being there does something magical to keep our enemies and why we need to know why are we there look i don't want to go deep state police state in tells a shadow government ruling class but this is the military industrial complex that has been a part of the american political system irrespective of party that's what this is this is something to do with beach nobody can explain what we're even doing in afghanistan yet if you ask people that had something remotely to do with 911 and that said there is nothing un-american by demanding that we have a clear and cogent and limpid of system of protocol and a message and a mission that's it you know lower it it is. it seems to me because if we you know

campaigning is campaigning promises or promises ok we're all political junkies here but it seems to me that no matter what a candidate says maybe with the exception of hell i'll see gabbert which the big the democrats dismissed quite quickly and i feel very unfairly is that it doesn't really matter what your political stripe is the permanent state or what people call the deep state they're just going to keep calling the shots because you know i'll give trump credit for at least trying to get out of his quagmires but the deep state or the permanent bureaucracy constantly blocks don't you think that's going to happen to biden to go ahead well i'm not going to disagree that the military industrial complex is tower fall bent but do i think that they are calling the shots also and i think that's a tin hat conspiracy theory accent look that. the global let the globe the distribution of global power is something that no single president can ultimately change but the us has a responsibility as

a leader to unite our allies and to try to ensure that we have it because ultimately he helps us and it protects our american security and you know you cannot let go of the military option entirely i think that's naive i think you humble and i don't disagree that no 100 is important and i know i didn't say that i didn't say but ok again because it's a false binary cut and i don't want to engage on the false binary but i'm just telling you what i'm hearing here when i say that back then there is this conspiracy that the military deep state is is directing and calling the shots i will say best donald trump is making big moves about the impact of those moves does not seem to be beneficial unilaterally removing troops from situations the for ensuring that there is debility and a vacuum is not created also met late doesn't do any good us any good it can get to be a great talking point than a campaign trail but we will after this i think at. yeah withdrawal and the ok but

it's how back will we see the afghan government how are stable engagement will we see the people's livelihood is it the us is it the american people's responsibility to maintain peace in afghanistan while what it is why it is the united states in syria why it's even legal under international law it was not invited there and this is not about it i'm sorry it's protecting its oil it's not that it's not america's oil to protect ok legacy lesley's my point here no one likes to talk about these things are very inconvenient you know there were presents for peace think it keeps the civil war going on but here you're arguing against it without out without advocating for a solution so i don't know if you know you're saying if you did everybody out lucian it's very simple if you get out then the parties on the ground will have to figure now it's i think it's how do you get out maintain

a no get your on the airplane or you get out you know go out if this is ridiculous see this is an argument you can see i do this all it's not to result in the kick the can i tell you what if you get out there are people time. well 1st i love whenever something is promoted that is true that has been spoken of since eisenhower is valedictory the military industrial complex when you don't know what to say with all due respect to to our guest some measure of the facts coming my way or so. you bring up this this fact need trope about conspiracy theories just become the climate change whatever you don't know what to do why are there fires climate change now if you want to just say you don't believe in climate change either just to be clear i believe in climate change i believe in weather and the sun but i do not believe in anthropogenic causes asian. no never

how was seen none of the house in maxima thermals anybody who really knows anything about this when are you anyway aside from that is what i'm going to do battle of the bunkers and you're already have a big problem i don't believe they get bigger ready but yours i think look no further than a ho look no further than the atlantic council look no further than people trained to dredge up old cold war rousseau folding trucks there is a murder sure that is going on in the idea let's just go back to afghanistan where people have this this is they create this fantasy that by our being there we're teaching villagers how to. drill for welds or something just so happens in afghanistan is the saudi arabia of libya and every conceivable precious metal that you can imagine that a friend of mine one time said what would have been the chances of our invading iraq if their main export had been progress we have to stop repeating these

wonderful tropes and throw isn't about how they're defending the world and somehow maintaining peace but here's a question you asked me if we were to leave let's just next year or less you say we just sat right here is our syria figure out why. what happened how what our oh and our in the united states how our or anybody else's national security meet just so happens there are some pipe or here it's about gaps it's about getting straight to the mediterranean and rusty he reminding us that the frank capra wonderful idea is you know we're going to spread liberty or never i mean this is your 2020 where we're past. well take it for how big laurie but it seems to me i mean we have to remember on obama's watch was the catastrophe in libya and i see the same kind of intimacy susan rice a whole ring around joe biden i see samantha power her ring around actually they both spoke at the the r. and c.

i mean you want it with people with resumes like that should would you would you be happy to see them in a biden ministration well listen i'm just i'd like to place on one basketball that some of the things that have been sent here ultimately you know that there is a binary being advanced by lionel here and it's that being involved no good can come of it you want to talk about syria for a minute let's talk about syria for a minute there were the complete absence of the u.s. presidents presidents leaves room for russia and turkey to gain a foothold in the middle east it creates instability in the middle east and it leaves a pathway to peace as as a assume or existence of this is as absolutely ridiculous to say that there is no impact when you remove american troops now it isn't an ideal situation you're be advocating for that again nuance is important here but i don't hear any of that over here all the while you decry this binary that doesn't exist so and so merican presence in syria bringing about peace you know what it does is it doesn't allow the government to rebuild ok i mean i mean the u.s.

government continues to say action syria after the u.s. lost its last there and its process let it do you a seat is easy and i don't croak unsalted really not a credit it's all in every case and i just allow them places you know foreign governments that are adversaries of the united states russia being one of them turkey being one of them just taking over the power and and i'm leaving a power vacuum everywhere why do you hire that gives out anywhere that sounds right it would actually make people sit down and talk instead of funding terrorist groups in the middle east you know if you know if saudi arabia is a close ally be united states. certainly not when saudi arabia is is exploiting the most noxious ideology can possibly conceive of let me know you don't love it or end up ok i know that man is one of the big in the region would have to figure it out here ok and about the military i'm just saying why is this in the american interest

to be in afghanistan in syria and iraq when the iraqi government and people want us to meet how can we help the iraqi people and not right on this point i have to go to a hard break i'm like crying like oh when we return we'll continue our discussion on forever war state. time after time corporations repeat the same mantra sustainability very important to accelerate the transition to sustainable price board sustainability. a more equitable and sustainable world. they claim their production is completely harmless . the big.

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a porno maybe they don't make or. break right. now more. welcome back to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing for. warse. ok laura you and i were having quite a heated discussion before we went to the break and i think you owe you

a time to reply i'm going to be here let me just say i don't know where to start because we just keep tossing in countries the game but ultimately we have it also gotten about the other day that the other instruments that we're talking about here which is the erosion of the diplomatic work because this isn't entirely a military solution this is an economic solution that needs to be foments and with the instrument about solution being that will matter work you need to have diplomats in gauging and you also need to have alliances i mean america is at its strongest when we have our allies moving forward when we're at the center of these negotiations when we're working to use our influence and pride so that we can defend our economic interests and ultimately promote democracy because we know that liberal democracies don't fight with one another and only by words when our teams are now look we're going to just let me finish one sentence and that would be great you didn't interrupt lionel but you got sure you will at some point but little democracies don't fight with one another so we should be advancing peace and that you may say that that's naive but that should be the ultimate goal with these sort of moves and that so you're not going to agree with me even on the diplomatic route

you know wrote it and you'll also hear and our lives so we'll be democratic ok that that is i didn't say that i didn't say or i did it was say anything let it go ahead jim. when he went back in time and took somebody who let's say he died right around the vietnam era brought them back listen to this conversation and ask . which one do you think of those people talking right now is the democrat who's a republican or if you would say well this this very very well spoken woman i think is she must be she's a hardliner she's a hockey she's a republican so where are you sending about. writing him arguments we did in beat it not we never learn to shower him back you know we have to go there let me explain you one thing that you will never hear john mycelium or honor or speak

through his wisdom decrepitude you will never hear the country china or. mention about anything we will continue with the intro zima over russian or in this room so old thinking bating because bad has been the theme from the get go so the idea is simply that. the democratic party has sold out to whatever you want to call another conspiracy here it was a conspiracy in fact of the people who have won this country for ever and that is you want to come the military industrial complex whatever joe biden is a manchurian candidate a man who does not know where he is a man who was basically change who were radiator in a root cellar somewhere was going to be some plant and within 2 to 3 months kamel harris if they're successful is going to be put in there the ultimate mid cherry

mentor in canada who will make the reclaiming look like ramsey clark now we can pretend all we wanted we can use terms of ongoing unit being strong but this is about giving the checkbook to the people who have one. this country doesn't radio you're not going on at all you're not you're going to not me that i am oh that's ok it's going i know you're just did so jump it well here's the thing you can do i don't know how you don't just drive out of the temple have i don't know understand how anybody we want to talk about sign us joe biden is absolutely psyched about china you know he's against your he added let's get your place by com i hear i mean i would you miss your new alliance or write novels that would keep me up at night and bigger rated maybe we can get you a movie it's you know 90 and i'd say there isn't but that has no business that you know guy friends who are going to be policy look me in the eye and look at harry in the eye and tell me that no particular term to any of your fellow democratic

operatives has the subject you know when is common my hair is going to replaced you know by tell me that has not been addressed tell me they hear me i have to say anyone ever has not talked about the vice president's fitness to lead in the advent of the president we talked about it was already very nice residence in the dawn of time someone you know your grandmother crowd you know i said you are not you know if you talk about a 10 foot well i want you to tell me that you honestly would bet any amount of money that joe biden could continue in his term if elected you are honestly saying that you really believe. we're going pretty far afield here ok i want to stay with the foreign policy or. laura what did you think of obama's foreign policy because it looks like that is going to be an echo about in potential new ministration so give us a score card for obama how long have you got i mean and listen i think it's

complicated why don't we kick in here and you could narrow your question i'd happily answer and i think you know but your to do i could say libya i think it's even and i well you know look it was the perfect absolutely not do i think we need . sale rejection its use of diplomatic aims use of an economic investments use of sanctions appropriately and and you know i don't think that he was a military interventionist need we didn't go to bronze go and work on i mean that's was 7 so yeah i think he was and it was nobody but his attempts to try to move troops and where he could certainly happen so i think you know this is a i but i understand you have a completely different version of history about mosul you know so i don't i don't think i could have you know i'm shocked not just i noted version of it ok i think i said to you prior to this recording is that i'm equally hard on the democrats and the republicans equally hard on obama and on donald trump because i'm more

interested in nonintervention and i'm very strongly entitled war and i think a lot of miss opportunities we have experienced there and it happens under all it ministrations and that's why i go back to what i said earlier is that it doesn't really matter who is president because you're going to have a permanent democracy then min's and that the only hills and people like that say the interagency consensus well i didn't vote for that you didn't in line will did ok and it seems to me and i will agree with what i know maybe i don't have the same kind of solaris delivery that lionel does but you know i'm a little bit worried about the guy you know if he got all his marbles because i see these people surrounding him and these people are bad people they made bad foreign policy decisions and they're still around. i mean listen you can't even if you say that you're against republicans and democrats equally but you only named the obama administration so it sounds like you guys the obama administration official with

the ranee i don't think that was you know it was a good deal was a good diplomatic deal and i thought the obama administration for not taking that as a starting point is start stabilizing the middle east it was a great opportunity to do that and i think truck was a fool to walk away from it so there i give you a good example. this and i didn't like the iraq you know and that's what obama and to don't give kudos of president obama he was rather are reluctant to do what his military advisors told him and the hawks regarding syria he could have done a lot more so he wasn't completely all in but let me just explain to me you are suggesting that we're going to abandon diplomatic negotiations had bangs who ever we're talking about military let me did let me just be very basic how do we explain to the war and now we're in all of these beasts is all over the

world now i know this may be un-american to say that i haven't even got it though i do not read about his own which gives the united states a right to go in and say we're going to tell country who they can speak with we're making deals and saudi arabia we have with our diplomatic schizophrenia is imperceptible to most people how does how do we tell anybody else you deal with this and by the way since we're so worried about the stability of the middle east did you hear peter and you hear a lot this notion of the kompany of cudos it was a wreck in terms of president regarding what's happening in the middle east not a word nothing it's just because it was a photo op i mean because it was a photo op that did not do not say that at 35. it's not that i'm not here now you just you've just you've just lost me company that's or lucio day just as you know i don't think i was ever you cannot be serious you cannot know

. honestly come on anybody going forward and say he. was photo what do i have to explain to you then history all i know your his you know it sounds like you know you're a member. more and i know that you are and right now here we're rapidly rapidly running out of time here but i mean. don't you see this kind of continuing again kind of being non partisan here this continue being go back to george bush sr all the way to the present and it doesn't refer i am very frustrated you know you know there's plenty of data prototypically from the 2016 election that people are very against these wars these forever wars and trump talks about being against that but you know what he's president and he's and he's not succeeding under his watch ok and tells me something either is something is wrong with him or most likely or in

addition to is that the permanent bureaucracy this is what we do for a living you know we have the we have these arms producers we have 5000 bureaucrats and nato that need to keep their career here is a very lucrative ones at that and all these alliances well it's just really good for the arms producers i mean that's a logic that is irrefutable it's just good business but it's bad for security go ahead so i just just if you give your decision me as odd as like quite frankly reliable good as i'd like. to i ever oh i am paranoid so i just really do think that we can oversimplify best and i feel like this conversation has been complete rejection as in that way where we can reassemble i don't say intervention and not answer our marriage had only ridiculous she was already nastier oversimplification you've used every echo chamber troll

since your idea you have well i didn't realize it responds and he has because i'm responding to a question that says intervention or not intervention you can take out your thighs and beat you over the head with it but it does not mean because there is you can eat it at once in the us your that's not we're nice you can say coughing a lot all and. you are right you have the ones where it for this argument that's not what we're talking about you are talking about something else well you are creative and i will give you now i did not react are action i'm still reacting to fomenting peace by god we're going to deliver a piece of them we're going to do it because that's what we that's america i can't believe that and by the way ok well actually it's a purse time in 10 years and no oh no i have no idea how to end this program but other than saying thank you laura thank you lining for joining us here and i want to thank our viewers watching us here argue see you next i remember.

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