i'm after a time say we're going underground as world leaders including putin she and trump plead for global unity as the u.n. celebrates its 75th anniversary amid a divisive and economically discriminatory coronavirus pandemic coming on the show as the so-called western world faces its biggest economic depression since the 1930 s. professor david blanchflower former bank of england montreal to committee member tells us that our politicians are fit to mend inarguably broken system 26 years to the

month democrat president bill clinton signed the violence against women act co-sponsored by joe biden is clinton guilty of the crimes he signed into law we talked to one woman who claims to have been raped about why she is voting for trump and the. only thing more coming up in today's going underground but 1st a virus transmitted at least in part because of environmental destruction is being credited for ripping up the economic plans of finance ministers all over the world ahead of a possible 2nd wave and here in britain brics at negotiations in crisis what can save capitalism now joining me now from hanover new hampshire is dartmouth college is labor market economist and former bank of england monetary policy committee member professor david blanchflower danny thanks so much for coming on so your recommendations for slashing interest rates arguably did way more than austerity for saving britain after the bank bailouts and the austerity how can britain recover from covert given per capita its death rate is the highest in the g 20. well you got to keep spending money you gotta resist entirely any idiot who says

we should be going to austerity let's just think about the u.k. so we have not over 9000000 people who are on furlough schemes and this government is talking about stopping that from me well we have $1300000.00 unemployed now with a rate of 4 point one percent if they stop it's hard not to see the unemployment rate at least easily hitting 20 and probably more so the obvious thing is you've got to keep going and anything that related to what you did from 2010 to 2020 is a disaster and i'm i'm i'm a beginner to cameron in a 2nd but i'm going to tell you richard cynic says the furnace scheme should not and cannot go on forever and everyone who says it should be extended after october would then just say has to continually extend therefore that's the argument for stopping it. well i didn't say it should go on forever but i certainly think it

should go on for a year or so i mean france and germany have agreed that they'll keep this going for 2 years but if this government wants to have an unemployment rate of 37 percent or 28 percent on a number like that keep saying stuff like that the bank giving the doesn't have a lot of leeway i mean it's talked about going negative can you imagine that and buying more assets but essentially what you have to do in this once in 100 year crisis i mean we had a once in a 100 year financial crisis now we have a crisis that is comparable to the great influenza and the answer is that you have to have the courage to keep going and they've done well so far and anybody who says to them that we should go back to where we were as in 2010 well what did we learn from that we learned that it was the slowest recovery in 300 years after the southie bubble and sadly the the slowest recovery ever actually 600 years ago was the black death so this government they want to do that that's where we'll go we

have unbelievable hardship in the country and for the chancellor to say such idiotic things really begs belief to me when in fairness of course johnson he says there should be no return to our sterrett it is pre-disaster david cameron his fellow bullingdon club member david cameron has a new preface and he says actually the reaction of britain to the 28 crisis was precisely why britain is in such a good place coping 1000 was the rainy day we had been saving for i sat watching chancellor issue next press conferences thinking how vital it was that we had taken those difficult decisions when we did referring to austerity david cameron the you just made that up right no i'm afraid joe this is the new pro has some of that but that's a complete and total joke i mean there the economy was absolutely destroyed by their will sterrett city it was certainly not prepared for what was coming the government sector if you like had been decimated think of towns. it means the sentence the health service and everything else was actually decimated then the

country was totally unprepared because of the complete nutter incompetence of david cameron and especially him. on the icicle slasher all's ball and can you believe they're going to try and try this the same old nonsense and i've argued that a stereotype was entirely reckless and evil had no basis in economics whatsoever and was only designed to hurt the poor which is what it did so you're really going to try and do that again i think not and politically it will be a disaster the government here david cameron many members of the conservative party in fact the labor party members rachel reeves is now a member and because thomas cabinet she said at the time the benefits should be cut much bigger and faster than the osborne government was doing so i don't know i mean does this all feed into why governments like britain like the united states the reagan tax or models that are behind them or why they have the worst kovan figures

you know it's you know i mean it's the on the obvious thing is that we've seen an explosion of poor mental health and distress and despair and depression and anxiety so that's what's happening right now across the western world in the u.s. and the u.k. but what what it dede what these austerity did is it made communities vulnerable it made individuals vulnerable in the way that they should intervene in a sense that the government sector in preparation for a crisis like ovid was the strong but gentle father's hand protecting people from what was coming what these people did was they took away all the buffers all the safety and said we can just get rid of that we can go to the private sector look at the disaster that's going on in the u.k. today where the government has taken testing away from the public sector and give it to the private sector and people in landed no. to get a test i may have to go to newcastle where where is that ideological that

mackenzie's it's annoying highly ideological i mean if you look back to the sterett to me i'm probably professor of economics there is absolutely no evidence in the data there's any anomic justification for the austerity that they imposed it was simply about reducing the size of the state and trying to hurt the poor and all the evidence about the role of a sterile city is now been shown that we were right those of us who opposed it said it was a complete disaster what it did was it exposed countries to a shock that was coming and so so the great recession exposed vulnerabilities that existed in the past and now what's happened is because of the disastrous macroeconomic policy that hurt people it meant that these societies were vulnerable to a shock that was coming and with no protection so it's absolutely disastrous and you're right members of the labor party supported some of them at the time i opposed it tooth and nail opposed to on the m.p.c.

and i've opposed it for the last 20 years and if you look back in essence of being right and they've all been wrong well and they lead to political and financial class clearly disagrees with you and in fact they often point to the growth in employment and if what you've just been saying isn't disturbing enough you've been tweeting and i stand about labor market figures the actual figures that we get from the office for national statistics why do you think you have problems with e.o.n.'s his figures upon which we base all our modeling and so well if you can hone look i mean so we know since march that around 9000000 people are actually off on this scheme what at what time to the on ss they are on the unemployment rate well the 1st thing is it's the least timely in the world everybody else can produce data right now for august well the onus is producing data for june great that's really helpful but the other thing is that the data that. don't reflect what's happened to

the economy so let's think what happened to the unemployment rate for the last 5 times since march 3 point 93.93.13.94.10 so the unemployment rate in britain is absolutely falling great well that's not true we know that there's all sorts of problems there is some evidence in this in the study they just produce that vacancies. but basically the data that the o. and s. produces is not fit for purpose if you look at the united states we really have reflections of what's going on right at this moment you but i mean not my view is they are the oh and s. estimate was completely irrelevant you should ignore i better tell you what the owners say they say the framework is based on the concept of labor supply and demand i don't know the secretary. says this approach has wide international acceptance including by the international labor organization. well that may be true but it's interesting that the u.k. can't produce timely estimates it produces a month's a month behind everybody else but more and cyprus and luxemburg can do it so why

can't the point to it i mean it's laughable it's completely laughable the quality of the surveys are too low they don't spend enough money on it by looking at that survey it really tells you nothing about the hurt that people in the u.k. are experiencing and so that's why i think it's basically laughable well i'm here professor of labor economics that's what i do yes the. job but also my job given that you know arguably more than. anyone in their thought the recent monetary policy committee members about the ideological fathers of a gore financial persuasion that goes on about the importance of debt and given that you know about that what your view is do when they hear on the news that policies that affect them and their lives must be enacted because of the debt

well i mean it's a really interesting question i mean the 1st 2 things to say to it and i think the 2nd this probably the most important the 1st thing is that right now interest rates are unbelievably low so governments can borrow money very cheap. but i think this is the right in our g.e. supposin suddenly the u.k. was at war and you say well if we go to war problem is that we can have to build things that we had our factories that make tanks and airplanes and all that stuff would use and the debt would clearly rise would you say sorry we can't fight this war we've got to give you a because we worry about the debt well no you wouldn't you say well we have to do this for a while this is an important thing that we do to save our country will think of the coded crisis as equivalent to that you're fighting a war against this virus and you and you spend it on your people and you invest in your people i mean in a war you don't not fight the war let people die it was the same with the kobe you

do everything you can to protect your people and the debt is something that you're going to have to deal with and then you'll pay for it down the road you may it may take 200 years to pay for it well that's fine the alternative it's not great that you have to do it but think of the alternative the alternative is worse so as long as the government does sensible things which i doubt this government's the seems able to do but if you spend it on sensible things that's obviously a good way to go if you waste it's as a government accused of dunmore sorts of things that would be some of the public on the list as this program should oppose well maybe there are structural it is a structural details there it was after all not with a few days ago britain reza commemorating the battle of britain when it comes to raising white flags but i've got to ask you then is it something generational about politicians is that the problem a lot of controversy here over or the decision to tear up the treaty that was signed over the european union and brics it arguably some people on the left and

the right who support leaving the european union might say well state aged me the sovereign right of parliament not of the european union treaty what do you make of all of the whole of blue. well i mean it seems pretty bizarre to be trying to think about separating a country and generating huge lines and i saw pictures this morning huge lines of trucks at the border in a pandemic when you're trying to socially distance folks. i just think what you've seen here is a separation between what the ideologues and the politicians are saying and the hurt that people are experiencing i mean i don't doubt that the vote for breaks it was a cry for help the vote in the united states by trump was actually actually a vote from people who were hurting and in some ways what we have is i'm hurting it makes me feel better if you in the chaps like blanche are out there you start to hurt that makes me feel better so i think it's very clear because of the austerity

policies but it to keep it really people were hurting they reached out for help and guidance and what you had was politicians who just basically made stuff up and i think breaks it is probably most most ridiculous decision made by any sovereign parliament in the last 250 years because it's quite clear from economists it's hard to work out why people would vote against their own best interests and that may be pretty controversial but that that's the truth i mean that i understand it was that people were hurting and people say to me oh this is about much more than money it's about sovereignty but lanpher as an economist and i would say you can't eat sovereignty president on track thank you eric. off of the right 26 years to the month bill clinton along with co-sponsor joe biden signed into law the violence against women act we speak to one of president clinton's accusers about dirty tricks in the d.n.c. and why she thinks americans need to vote trump in the polls the more coming up

about 2 of going underground. canas calendar is downright alfonzo among his darned this cherished unpaid change dard serve the old guard. his 1st words were at a lot of us here a challenging post you've got 2 years to live. i have no doubt that what happened was criminal. defense concentrated market is a $1000000000.00 industry these companies have a huge financial motivation to sow these products there are numerous stocks showing

that doctors were keen to cast factory concentrates free infectivity on that patients want gives them doctors the raunch to play a long term system why they would keep me from secure doses day. and people still die and i'm always question michel are you being hard to live when so many have. welcome back well as president clinton and joe biden celebrate the anniversary of the violence against women act is the former arkansas governor guilty of the crimes he professed to be against one accuser claims the former president raped her 978 while on the campaign trail there are allegations bill clinton and his lawyers strenuously deny juanita broaddrick claim speaking up about these allegations with other victims helped put doll trump in the white house and will be voting for him in november she joins me now from fort smith in arkansas oh thanks so much for

coming on we're also speaking you know to a guy called tony schwartz who says he ghostwrote trump's best selling book the art of the deal he says that was the worst thing ever did ghostwriting that book eternal shame but you. do of course have said that shame is what any democrat should feel about. voting democrat while the clintons are still in the party arguably oh yes sooner i am always and will continue to talk about who the clintons are and what they have done to be 0 per slowly to women how he has the by his violence against women act was just ridiculous you know. he didn't he did just what he preached but it wasn't just one event of a turn you from a democrat volunteer and i should say also that of course you run health care in your state different nursing homes was it just that the turn you all the way to

becoming a republican and this republican party considered so right wing oh no no i am listening ever in politics before 978 i never did anything like volunteer for chanda debts and i even guarded for barack obama the 1st round so i vote for the candidates but now i am so. republicans because of what all the democrats have done to our president well i have to say obviously pled to the lawyer david kendall he didn't get back to us but he said in the past any allegation that the president assaulted mrs broderick with more than 20 years ago is absolutely false you don't accept clinton's apology much over the clinton except that he even gave an apology given that he didn't admit to it happening. well now of course he did apologize to me in 1991 in person. before he announced he was

running for president it was a shock to me i resent a nursing home eating a little rock and someone call me out of the advanced sense i recently did in the hall why i go down by the elevator and there stands been bill clinton's and he rushes over tyranny and apologizes to me and says i'm so sorry for what idiots i'm a changed man i'm a namely man i would never do anything like that again and i'm standing there absent in absolute shock i hadn't seen him an in years and address and i was surprised too and agist said you got a heroine i was a doll and then i found out you reached 3 weeks later that he announced he risks running and that being that bothered me the most about that man's is after 13 years when i had tried to go on with its like he was saying i can reach out and touch here any time or want well obviously even the apology is disputed it's all disputed

and then we invite clinton's lawyers and representatives on a quest people say ok the clintons have some power in today's democrat party but their fame is at the moment the british guardian newspaper has printed something about a model in september of 9097 claiming to being sexually assaulted by donald trump just remind us how you think you helped get trump elected and i don't know whether again you and others may have to come out again in public to counteract all the what he saw as propaganda against him yes and in the beginning or while i am because a hollywood actor says to sit just come out but after meeting president trump in speaking with them i believe president by believe goes reduced words i think it was a locker room just like the senate's and i did not know that the. a recent new. person out there with the. alleged assault against president drops at our we can

believe it i believe it's another election lori anything they can do anything they can find against this man who has done so much for mirror they're going to try and do and most of it will be lies and deceit you know like it's just like the other women with the allegations against donald trump i do not believe well obviously trump denies those allegations the democrats and i the allegation but what is disturbing in your book is something super arching and super structural because you show that these matters of dispute are not fairly reported on by network television in your country n.b.c. denies that clearly but do you see the structures are still there they are biased towards the democrats. oh yes yes i think it will always be that way it's i have no idea why it's that way but yes i do not. i do not believe

the media. do not watch television that much anymore because you cannot believe what she wants but then their demands here you have google who is also. doing many thing against the conservatives in america over the google denies that too but you really think that i will as you imagine your book a network television producer would say ok this is a story but i know some elements in this body of that body i'm going to question not allow the american public to see him before an election oh yeah and n.b.c. would never have broadcast and aired my interview that they did written ates if it hadn't been for others coming forward and here viewing me like dorothy rabinowitz of the wall street journal. i truly believe it was live when least

some hires the interviewer call me when they were delenn the interview until after the impeachment result hurts and lisa said to me she said i have good news and i have bad news that i said ok and just had the good news is you're credible and i said ok our needs and she said the bad news is you're too turnt up but i do know better now because so many of the people have come forward and believe in a there's many that will never believe what happened to me in 170 eight's but in not in 2017 we had the new york times coming out with the michelle goldberg article and the headline was i believe when me and then so many followed suit after 9 months people know that this is true they just don't want to accept. well n.b.c. personnel including their reporter would deny that they quassia any kind of stories and in fact they're probably the 1st one to say hang on

a minute you mention the wall street journal owned by rupert murdoch you like fox news room or to fox news now everyone knows about sexual harassment at fox news and worse that's been publicized and led to mass resignations at murdoch's fox news how can you square that if you watch my twitter create i'm just as critical of ox news as i am not any of the others is just general control right now our actions to believe any of the media because you don't know what's behind why they're saying the names of those satellites who is supported lambs and is promoting what they say and just very suspicious of media these days and i mean obviously it's controversial some of those tweets that you're doing because you said black lies matter protest to me the thugs are burning destroying buildings and lives are no better than the $911.00 terrorists and i mean a fishel inquiry was done into this less than 93 percent of protests involve

violence and property damage are you buying too much into the trump narrative because you so do not want a party elected under biden which has the clintons influence still running through it now add don't bind to the truck thing at i just appreciate what you're done for me or that's i do not appreciate what the democrats have tried to do to destroy the air and the results of an election and very cautious on a different person than i am on twitter i say these things to bring about remarks but i am a person who believes what the facts channel but why. do you think that mainstream media isn't putting out the name tara reid every other day given that given that biden is in the lead in some polls in november elections do you believe

tirade that joe biden sexually assaulted and which is denied by joe biden and i do believe care i've spoken with many jobs and i do believe her or believe it's a very terrible situation. and but i know i have no idea where you are it's and it is just like me no one wanted me there back in 9998 getting me to change anything then if this kind of a cloud is hanging over presidential candidates in 2020 meter is there actually believe that meat ad was never a part of me to meet your wanted nothing with clinton victims and i spelled out that they turned their backs on so many other conservatives women and me and that

that talked about sexual assaults i think me too strictly a political organization for liberals. and and that's why me too is we niger act in a way to be somehow pro biden harris even though i should say rose mcgowan comes on this show and says. actually that me too has been hijacked by different forces. i actually believe there was some of my far worse to show doubts at one of the tiran and bert. oh probably back in 200-6007 asked why not some were big boobs you know when they were taken in. ok obviously members the me to move on to say they achieved a lot from from the moment just finally we talk to anthony scaramucci who is for a short time the communications director of the white house for trump he says trump has changed in power that he's more brittle he's regressing into childhood in the

way he handles. criticism have you noticed changes since you were with donald trump telling the american people to vote for him rather than any clinton model not a doll this is just another you a person risk just mused the trumpet minister should nader and he will do anything he can to try to meet rubin just missed i have no faith at all in a new spirit ok tony the definitely deny that i need a broader thank you. thank you. that's over the show about a wednesday with tony schwartz the so-called real author than i did 7 memoir trump the other the deal book that is credited for making the u.s. president trump a household name until then stay safe and join the underground on you tube twitter facebook instagram and.

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