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latest world news in an hour coming up next a lot internationalise crosstalk and for those of you watching in the u.k. i know i learned when you gave is coming your way. hello and welcome to cross talk we're all things are considered with the election only weeks away trying to ministration continues its ancient mania against cuba venezuela and the rest is never explain how this advances the national interest also no matter who's in the white house or imposed is determined to continue to avenge its defeat in syria.

thank. you discuss this and more i'm joined by my guest marcus papadopoulos in london he's the editor of politics 1st magazine and here in moscow we're joined by bob he's a political analyst and editor in us me media project original macross up rules in effect that means you can jump in any time you want and i always appreciate it ok let's go to marcus in london you and i want to tell marcus de mint in our audience here i have big news we're not to talk about the presidential debates we're not to talk about the supreme court of the united states we're not going up about it joe biden is see now actually we're going to talk about some real important things going on in the world today on this program and i want to talk about sanctions mania because this is all too familiar marcus it is a political weapon that is the kin to war it is. it is an assault on the spot where you know these countries are and as i said in my introduction here you know it's

never explained why it is in the national interest why civilian populations in these designated countries are punished repeatedly and to know that it doesn't have any people the real political outcome except for on the ground misery oh hemmer well with the well once cassavetes it's and indeed distracted by what is now 19 the american government has continued its aggression on the international stage and continued this aggression on the base it's a move we have seen in recent days is a washington to impose new sanctions on cuba venezuela and the wrong hands i believe peter that we really need to see these new sanctions true. russia be you know. how are all of the international say yes on the one hand and the americans. do want to take action against the aforementioned countries they

will answer bring down the government so that they wouldn't turn those countries to how they were trying to the revolutions in those countries namely fassel states of america and i believe on the other hand the most important reason is that the americans are shreiking back against russia and doing so i guess free of russia's most important allies and friends in the world as russia has a strategic partnership with iran russia has a strategic arms ship with. lusha is a work in all establishing russia's egypt. as a soviet union hastur in the cold war and the americans understand that they are also not subject to in syria has being defeated the americans know there is no chance of the syrian government being overthrown so here americans are looking to target russia's allies and friends in the well i don't want syria 2nd program u.s.

you know you know team in the in again looking at the 3 countries that we mention your cuba venezuela and iran. there's always this pretense of some kind we'll drop sanctions if you do x. y. and z. once in 3 but if you look at every single example we'll talk about syria in the 2nd half of the program it's basically full submit surrender and then we will drop the sanctions here it doesn't work that way that's not what diplomacy is all about an obviously it is a pretense to force regime change we all know what happened to libya the north koreans know what happened to libya here so i mean that this is such a blunt. tool for political change and there and there is no the the the the snake era part of it is never really explained and that's why these these countries in the end. there are governments of 2 threat because there is no

alternative is one what is one way or my way or the highway and that is that is me and that's not the way you can. reasonably work the internet or go ahead. well you are absolutely right that sanctions is basically a continuation of a war by other means. you know because it is used to say that war is a continuation of autistics by other means well definitely sanctions is not deported and this has been said of many discussions that bombay called organized. russian global affairs that magine organized and the west and then that is most of them agree but they can't do anything about it because the western foreign policy is ideological and this is the problem because if the united states were imported had been pretty magic look we had wonderful articles in the magazine called. the

american conservative and paul and the way basically the spread of call we in in iran threatens the u.s. nationals in afghanistan in pakistan in many neighboring countries but nevertheless you know mohammed jobs are if the foreign minister or iran he just recently gave an interview to our viewers you said because we cannot transfer money we cannot also pay for the big scene for any kind of mission against the beat the same story with various well it was proven beyond doubt that the spread of coheed in venezuela for etan's us nationals you know because the disease spreads to the united states why many other countries however they haven't done anything about how been given your 7 government to fight the disease and they have basically destroyed the country by sanctions now. well they did it on i don't you think it's

a it's fair to say that they're using covert as a political 'd weapon against these governments i mean in that's unconscionable it's a conscionable to use an old pandemic as a political tool here marcus let me go back to you on it i mean do you want to finish or just just to finish up i agree with marcus duff now russia is moving towards partnership with iran and with your band i think it's a wise move but please bear in mind that russia joined the un sanctions against iraq and i think it was basically an expression or unwillingness to have confrontation we believed in a different world during the ninety's during that thousands and need to be clear here let other up the markets not i mean russia did join other members of the united nations security council on sanctions to to how it ran into negotiations about its nuclear ambitions really what it did that ok it would have let me then

we got an agreement and then the drug administration walked away from it so i think that you know you could you could comment russian foreign policy for pushing a diplomatic initiative which i've said repeatedly on this program and not to the markets right now repeatedly in the program that i meant the obama administration doing exactly that it's walking away from it that i'm critical of go him or his. friend to the russian federation in an icy icy snow so it has serious and disagree so united nations security council measures be an employee solid iran and there were questions longbox also some diplomats who privately were not happy with that but in tracy trend see if russia is very different russian territory is not pursuing a strategic asset or on russia has a strategic posture with iraq over flat roof in the rain. in front of his house and

also remember that he's now prepared to supply states of the arts and systems to iran previously not to because of his radio checks as the russians are now criticizing israel your taxes and they have prioritized a relationship we have iran over israel and i think just listening to sanctions sanctions are one of the most potent weapons in america's following policy also and what i hear with dmitri says about kerry for people who are suffering from what is known as kerry 19 that's a shipment of american policymakers have any feelings have any of morals about humanity and also in economics it makes far more sense for the americans to bring her out crusading cuba venezuela and iran and through that to take control of the economies so that is why the americans are placed in sanctions i think ultimately

they are talking to him cautious friends and allies of the us as a way we can it last this resurgence of the international stage getting you know to . be the trumpet ministration is kind of created this kind of false binary in my opinion is that this maximum pressure is a substitute for going to war because frank did say that he would not start any more silly stupid wars ok and you know what today he hasn't started anything however as we've all agreed on this program here same sions is another means of warfare and you know that the most glaring one right now is that is venezuela how in the world and israel is a threat to american national interest is a mystery to me ok but that goes to the point that marcus was making there do is that i mean john bolton even said that you know he was a national security council advisor but american companies are interested in venezuela's oil it leastways france they're. well i mean they're united. they'd say

colonial or no corn you know for you see you know it in america is nothing new and bad as it is it would not be tragic you know but what's going on right now is indeed tragic because well trumpery presents crude american nationalism he didn't start a new wars not because he was peaceful but because ironically it even the more war prone you know liberal interventionist for a and his attempts to stock and war with iran to start a war with syria you know they were all business prayed to try would get all the benefits of victory and then he would be left in for another 4 years so surprisingly mir accurately and he may deem i mean what is dick cheney here i mean you know we can go particularly particularly since the end of the cold war it's been destructive failure after another year i don't think anyone is worried about winning and people are worried about how bad we don't want to lose that's what

we're going to you're you're you're you're you're absolutely correct you know factually you are correct war with iran would be disastrous if it's you know it's corn sequences would be unpredictable but please remember we're out you know put into them you asked for importance you need you are not to walk into pragmatist you're not talking to people who base their position on facts they base their own idea all it and then i don't see it as you then the rain regime is weak in some popular people are against well basically something like that probably existant in the 90 s or in the ages you know but indeed many young people in iran who are against the government but the united states by invading iraq and making iraq what it is no don't have spirit inside during in society so the united states on it has itself to blame for that. and we all know that these sanctions only strengthen the

governments that were the sanctions are directed against it so counterproductive and there is no learning curve here when it comes to sanctions all right gentlemen i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news with our. child's seemed wrong but all wrong just don't call. to make you call if you get to shape out this day become educated and gain from it equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. and. my newest sidekick to see.

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it's back up and i. think. we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle remind you we're discussing some real names. i want to so we go back to you in london here it seems patently clear if you look at the foreign policy adviser surrounding joe biden and of course the the the foreign policy establishment that is a government in the trumpet ministration you know they just can't let syria go can only they just can't let it go and every time you ask them why are we in there why

are we in syria which we know is the illegal under international law countries like russia have been indicted under international law based on the united nations charter here but when you asked a foreign policy well why we're in syria they can never give you the same answer twice scammer. oh peter the reason why the americans in your worse complex syria who is because washington has a thought host specific leave a military and he can only accrue holes in the north east of the country and the americans as in days the russians and the iranians a lot of countries in the world understand that syria is or immense cherish strategic importance and abbas i do not believe that there will be any attempt by the americans in new faced syria to. the atrocities of the

syrian army backed by the russian military and you're a military because of course i doing so you that could bring your house confrontation with russia but i do believe that the americans have no intention whatsoever over relinquish in the best foothold in no free syria because i mean americans being in syria that does true friends firstly it limits syria's own influence and power in the middle east because there is a foreign army in syria and secondly and so a lesser extent it doesn't limit russia's position in the middle east why because syria is as it has been since the cold war is russia's always and it's not just in the middle east and in fact for us and for the russians because the americans are in syria does somewhat. limits their own position in the middle east but nonetheless i think what we will see is unless the kurds and

the americans full house and i don't see any evidence of that happening i think the american states it would feast syria all the parts of the movie syria which they control offensively into or into an american protectorates well let. it would be strongly at odds with most of the world things here i mean you know the things that the foreign policy seems begat or willfully forget is that it was the it was the syrian arab army with the assistance of iran and russia that destroyed the counterfeit i mean i know trump thinks the credit for whatever it took the russian air force $25.00 planes and 6 weeks to do it the american stood by for years and watched the caliphate grow ok and actively encouraged it one way or another proxies ok but you know in the in the they're worried about iran's influence in syria well

by for minting this proxy international war against the government of damascus they brought in the russians they brought in the uranium so you know what and the iranians and the russians have done more to fight the taliban then any western power ever has and no one in washington wants to admit that simple truth go ahead. well i think you know i'm sorry in your 1st development on your 1st question i would see that the united states and the e.u. will not create insisting on changing the regime in syria it's a general problem you know these you will tell you bill outre liberal ideology when they adopt a soap a narrative they just don't let go of it you know russia gate i'm sorry for the americans you're going to hear impounded for the next i don't know how many years until the idea what we do in the country changes the same story about wesen inks you know just recently it was revealed that and not the opposition member you know

over russia who claimed to have been poisoned by the russians but even koran was up you know he is more skewed against b. i will not believing him that he was poisoned was turned down so he it was officially not poisoned and we hear the same story. boys owns his opponents you know and they will not then go and this is the core you know the principle of that foreign policy machine and watch your step about syria no let's get the facts st i will give you the exact numbers you know before the russian aviation stop and operating in syria in september 2015 for 11 months the so-called just one extended had to be in supposedly borne out by the united states and their allies and the problem was that the sliming state just kept spray didn't it kept in lodge and that they're just that it controlled the situation or only changed after russia

stopped an order and there are for the benefit of our viewers here the the the bombing campaign by the united states in its own eyes it didn't go after isis it destroyed the state in the structure of syria that was the intention is to create a failed state so on the other side russia syria in its own lies they destroyed the talented and to save the infrastructure of the country diametrically opposed agendas and you may want to save some yet you know it just proves of on what i'm what we said in the beginning of the program if you will if you don't believe that the united states destroyed the infrastructure of syria look who it is keep in syria under sanctions now we have been saying that sanctions is a continuation of would by other means the united states and the e.u. no you know despite the country being destroyed despite it being in red just after

that civil war they continue maintaining sanctions against syria it's on her go i mean i don't remember any example in history when a country would be destroyed and now the war it would be making the destruction you worse by not allowing to supply of oil by not to allow it to supply me. so this is all terrible bob you know talking about who destroyed what we know their narrative for the western media it was the opposite of what you just said peter they said the prophet is not going to be an isis the trash is born bin civilian or objects in it in syria here i want to quote peter falk former u.k. ambassador to syria he has interviewed 2 sputnik like the so-called rebels want to set the dire have been using mosques hospitals schools asking them and and control centers are of course when syrian president bashar al assad's baum's these command and control centers in so human uteri and outreach you know when asa wants them

it's an atrocity it went to court u.s. led coalition warps you know the force but those and and and schools it's just an accident it's just bad luck if they kill civilians and it was make it a mistake you know you've been directly in the o.r. he was in there for you ok ambassador to syria it's not psalm lane and telling us that it in mark is the interesting thing for me here is that in the trunk can either he's an able or unwilling to get the right people around him don't have american troops withdraw from syria when the then the people that want to promote this intervention there if indeed they did this want to be the decision maker there waiting for the pieces on the board to get into a certain situation where they can impose their will that's the only understood other than obviously not allowing syria to build and that's just out of spite

because that hurts the civilian population but. there is no real coherence other than we don't have a plan so we're just going to sit in wait it out and see if we can determine outcomes you agree with. oh allow me 1st of all he said to say when i sit in a press gallery in the house of commons and hear mrs and backbench a pace say who air force. took the lead rope into showing how qaida and isis in syria i sit back and sire with dispatch then coincidentally i so much so well they say they know they're not telling the truth they know affectively the russian military destroying profile kite and i says it's there but no british minister british happened member of parliament is going to credit russia with that because that would go against the official narrative in britain and also in america. is

a threat to the west to western civilization to western democracy but it is or america's position in syria yes i have no doubt that there were there are people around. who likes to see it's very keen action more definitive action in syria and i have to say peace now on it or leave iraq or paloma. did not have people around him dictating to hear what his approach to syria should be i have said this on cross before and i would keep on saying it's the real people in power in america and not the ones you see on television yes an american presence has tremendous power was when it comes to for example health care but i refer to the fundamental core areas in american politics you know american economic times in an american military and those people in my opinion for the permanence unseen

governments and it doesn't matter who sits in the white house. well what i say blame their direction. no matter who's in the white house or a policy lobbyist determined to continue a bad. and i got your sentiments there demon we're almost out of time here i guess there's no good reason to believe that the by ministration is going to act any differently as a matter of fact they need even more aggressive in considering the foreign policy quote unquote experts that by his surrounding himself with. joe biden might be the obama that might say yes to war intervention in syria last minute goes. well i think it will be streamed to dangerous see if joe biden comes to power because then . bomb us foreign policy would be continued and please remember the 4 main wars which are now destroying mankind they were all started under obama the war in yemen

the war in syria the war in ukraine. and the war in libya you know they're well all started under obama so who by then returns by want to have the same story again just a small. you know amendment to what our perception the people who run tonight the states are not the people that it was right but then also not the people that were elected you know we see now how mr truong you know all unpleasant person s. he is is subjected to the same complainant demonization by the same people who demonized not being who demonized the war she began a campaign here to name story out of time i want to thank my guests in london and here in moscow thank our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time remember. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guests of

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