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it out but coming up in just under an hour time my colleague neil harvey he'll be here with full and stay with us. hello and welcome to crossfire where all things are considered on peter lavelle as election day approaches there are growing concerns whether the outcome will be contested whether the election will be legitimate we are told this election truly matters we're always told this however this time around there's a different feel there's an existential to disallow action how many voters will say not my president after november 3rd.

to discuss this and more i'm. joined by my guest shot in reston she is a political advisor and commentator is well as the founder of republican women for i.d. and in las vegas we cross to rory he is a republican strategist right across the rules in effect that means he can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate what he was going to write in las vegas you know as you said heard in my introduction a lot of people are considering this election is the next essential one meaning it's you know black and white it is it's a bloodsport to the end and give and they and the victor will vanquish the losers here ok that's not a lot of the media has been trained is that a really good idea to do that because the country is already so terribly divided we have these health conditions and then there is the questions about balloting here i

mean how is that a lot of hyperbole or is there pretty much on the mark rory what do you think you know i've a few weeks ago i may have answered that question with that is a lot of hyperbole yesterday in minneapolis we saw that the brother of a city council member was driving around with 300 ballots in his car in express violation of minnesota law which allows for one person have up to 3 ballots on their person or to act as a custodian for up to 3 ballots so i mean you know american politics has become increasingly tribal and i do think there is valid concern by by certain parties we know the same question to you i mean i've heard a number of these stories here. of custody issues with ballots and that should make us all very concerned but it doesn't merit the kind of rhetoric that we're hearing as we get close to election day ahead so we have dealt but we. claim credit. oh robert. several warrants. the republican party for paul

how do you know what i will stop or format for yours other foul boring bits of science why are there. because we know that our own heart was the ones. that are we we hope there were more americans and that all our staff really. 5. i remember who got stung who are. well frankly. i just want to put it very bluntly how about both are against bots we went last with the type of leadership we thought it would be bob people don't want to go because they don't trust the sense that right and no leader has got. a look obama here and that's why i think people like constantine's because the public will forward but we will be here these are our wars on tiles on it that war will have a solution campbell but really i think that's extremely well put because. i think

oh you know all of his interested in politics i mean we everyone knows that there is some feeling on the margins ok but it usually doesn't determine the outcome here now or in a situation now where you know you know we may have very strong political differences but the the 1st time in my life and example it would be out there will be legitimate coming that's a pretty scary thought ok because as i said in my introduction how many millions of people will say not my president after the election and that's it that's even a worse carried not go ahead lori was the only one candidate in this election has said that they plan to this has said treat em to believe that they plan to contest the outcome of the election and that's joe biden you know donald trump has said that he's going to you know make sure that there were public a national committee the republican national lawyers association plans to have lawyers in place to make sure there is a free and fair election joe biden in this will his surrogates have said plainly

they plan to contest they plan to i are going to rephrase not contest the outcome lecture but not but not concede if they lose prior to contesting in enclosed states i'm sure they are preamp. to avoid each their clearing a court battle were all the president trying to said is that he wants to ensure that it is a free and fair election and i think there is you know ballot that you know about read write about harvesting about harvesting is a great point you're seeing ballot harvesting across the country even legally on video this week well and then only that really don't you go back to you and say you know we had these elections in new york state and it took weeks to find out the count coming weeks ok and that's and that's a blue state so i'm not i'm not really sure you know you can point to being read aperitif you're looking at a process here and considering how charged things that things are i mean i think it's hard for me to imagine how people are going to feel particularly those who feel strongly about the candidate so they'd be willing to wait for days even weeks

for an outcome that of course opens up the the possibility that something's going on that we don't know what's going on and that's going to do throw it out of the out come into down even more so this is it's a process problem here that the party if i was only had passed out on the entire process that's right and that takes away from basically the average american that this is a process that can track because different parties are going to stand up i think what are we in power for example the republicans are at this point i'm sorry if the credit to advise of trump here but your brain if you are wealthy what hop while back to school is not leadership and so no matter what joe biden's doing he's not the current occupant of your office and so it's you know whoever was in power whoever occupies office if one wants one and it's just such an unusual statement what happened while back we were worried but what president hu me i went by with all our chemistry you know and i'm not saying it will be brought on right i just

think it's under what we are said and so what we. were is a modern american presidency. reluctance to. follow where i we are our president trump. who i am where the republicans live who didn't vote for him twice because what i wanted a strong decipherable here said already the pandemic was up on the lives of women like you know today are my children and getting in the middle of my work it's chance our lives forever and so the robots are handled right well almost my points are what i want somebody who is strong if i will follow you know what while out or what happens or have a peaceful transition of power i will. outlive us and we will accept and i'm just not hearing what the president top 5 i worry there will be more about iraq will i mean let's face it you brought up the issue of violence right i really wish some

prominent democrats would condemn the violence that we've seen for the last few months in america's major cities here and you just won't do that and i find that to be so disheartening because you know you can't blame what happened to many out amplify isn't transpo and that you can blame trump for a lot of things a lot is the president ok but he didn't do that ok but i didn't see democrats pushing back on it and this goes back on the competence thing i mean you know that is this election supposed to be the worse the better it in a bat's case it's really the worse for the people is not the worst of the politicians. well that's a great point i mean you know read it read it talks about it president trying tacitly being ok with who are the president trying to go ok with violence in the streets i've never heard anything like that from his kids from his campaign what i have seen is is basement has not you know done anything that you condemned the democratic leaders in minneapolis can oh sure wisconsin and these places where

cities are literally on fire and you have democratic incumbents in the united states house of representatives calling these beautiful protests you. have elected democratic leaders saying that calling 911 when someone when your house is being blurred burglarized is white privilege where is joe biden saying these people don't represent the democratic party in freeness asking donald trump to disavow every you know ever everything said by every republican i would ask where is the titular leader of the democratic party in disavowing elected democrats who are advocating permissable violence. you want to reply to that meaning you know worry yet you bring up a good point about that let's look at the question at the top isn't it back to the always right everybody but well he was part of my party is wrong 1st they thought they'd get out of step with me right but this is a yes in words these are his action when he had his troops essentially

a mix of federal and local law enforcement hell at the protesters was rubber bullets and tear gas and he wanted to opportunity don't want a church and got a look at where this rant was fundamentally wrong that's him using law enforcement for what he wants to do for his day and i'm just judging him based on what he's doing i agree with you it's unfair as a leader to disavow everything that everybody in that he's doing and we should use that same standard for joe biden how can anything or everything will elect a democrat that is because they're saying you know almost you know giving giving rise to a war by when we move and i agree i've been concerned about pat i don't like looters and arse nestlé know and peaceful our peaceful protests that happen in this country i was a hallmark of democracy where one of the most beautiful things on strike the constitution is our right to go out in the streets and protest there are always going to be bad actors and i think that elected democrat pap look i'm not a democrat let me just be honest about that i'm never going for one it's all this

year and i just think that elected that white house had done enough to disavow that's all but also it's unfair to judge them based on these bad actors and they were in a moment where we just have to judge the leaders by what they say and i'm worried about the president's words but. i wonder what you would like i think the year because of 3 of us in our viewers i'm sure believe in the institution of democracy because it should be same present you know and even one person one vote and then you know even then you accept the outcome here and what i find very very disappointing is that you don't have one prominent republicans and probably democrats coming together with a. the sake of the election itself the process ok because you know what again how many people would say not my president because of the missteps and miss spoken as of the our leaders i'll even throw in donald trump fair enough ok but a lot is at stake here and i don't think i don't see leadership coming from the

political class as it were certainly the liberal media as being irresponsible the atrociously here this is a very fragile thing i don't think people understand how easy it is to reduce it rory so i think if the democratic controlled legislatures in minnesota colorado and nevada name 3 easy states were not insistent on mailing voters mailing to inactive voters who are uninsured ballot piles of ballots 200 ballots high collecting that apartment about collecting it at apartment complexes thousands of ballots going to dead voters if if the legislatures in those states controlled by democrats democratic governors in all of those states if they were putting in place strong election security measures and family members of all democratic elected officials who are not flaunting you don't hundreds of the legal ballots and it was clear that the democratic party was concerned with ballot integrity and election

integrity i think that would go a long way and the democrats would be able to claim some moral high ground here they'd be able to say we want to have a safe election because of coat it but we need to act but you know we want to make sure that it is it is recognized as a legitimate but no state the republican national committee has had to shoot in multiple states to keep the ballots in mask from being made into an active oftentimes to see not ok on that point and we're going to get it we're going to go show break we're going to talk about litigating this election here i'm going to jump in you know we're going to go to a short break and after a short break we'll continue our discussion on the upcoming presidential election stay with our team.

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a minute we're talking about the possible problems with the upcoming presidential election. but let's go back to reno. a little gating the election and this of 1st part of the program here let's talk about this in your my do you think this is going to end up in the supreme court i mean considering the hyperbole we've heard in all of the threats and everything no concession and where is your army of lawyers your lawyers here your blinders here i mean it's in the making it's happening as we speak ok and we have of course we have only 8 justices on the court there is there is a high possibility a great possibility that we'll have a 91. before the election here do you think we're going to need that 9th judge considering what's going on with the campaigns and the election well. we will be

calling when so our convention when we step up with 116 when we were out of well you know i mean polling we were. very much welcome back and i mean here is the dynamics change as well and so i don't think anyone thought that we simply prepared for it no longer well me but i'm sorry oh i do projects on one side but i think it's our home where we're going to happen because i was where we won during question or in florida but i feel i'm really proud of. well. we want our home into our own so. i may as well it's my right i'm going very. far because i want the. court. who are prompt will go or present talk with bob which i won't live i'm supporting or 5 who were even stars of well actually there were. some court. well we're going across the bar

ok ok ok i mean i think there's one thing ok i'm willing to agree with you because the polls were enough work is bad is everyone says but they were often enough to really miss the election which is it that's it you know it's what you get when you know that women were president ah ok so we so we had that you throw in polling there is the shy trump voter out there that's a real phenomenon and it's a very mean and then you have this liberal media that is. bent things left right and center makes accusations claims and then they're never held to account and people believe a lot of these horror stories and it's to the detriment of the democratic process ok and then we throw in the supreme court here. i certainly believe there's nothing wrong in my mind i'm a conservative i don't have anything to do with the g.o.p.

conservative but you know i look at trump at face value and his tweets i wish he would stop tweeting ok it's not to his benefit ok anyway but there's nothing in and i've seen from him that you're going to have to get the military and remove him from the oval office i mean i that's just simply absurd ok i mean if he loses and he loses in the supreme court well he'll start his own network you know right or fox and he'll be right back in the game ok so you come down everybody. i don't i don't think the supreme court will. to get involved i don't think this will be election will be decided in litigation if you look at all the polls right now in all the suing states even states like nevada which i would call you know sort of 2nd tier swing states they're within 2 points right so i think what has happened is in the in the final weeks and possibly in the debates you know there will be a clearly decisive momentum for either of the 2 candidates and which will give each or either that you candidates

a bump by 2 or 3 points enough to carry enough of the swing states where within the electoral college it is not close it may be close in a lot of individual states but in the electoral college it will not be close enough to to make any sort of reasoned contention you know i mean one of the things i think we could draw up to me and because i do see that it's going to be extremely problematic come november 3rd i mean there's going to be delays there sons some states he can count mail in ballots when you get them in other states you can only count them when the election is over and you know every single there are 50 states there are 50 different ways of doing it apparently here but isn't that something that we really should learn from you know the voter rolls and things like that i mean i used to live in california and every single election there was a scandal about voter rolls because you know they're overly purged under purged you know it is this really a wake up call for we want to avoid this kind of rancor the country doesn't need it

is it this should be a concerted effort to really get the election machinery much more in human form without violating states' rights i'm a conservative but we should have we should have come for it when we go and vote if we vote by mail or through proxy or in person then we don't have to worry about this because we already have shenanigans all over the place and we hope that the mechanism itself is already and it needs. a 2nd look or 4th or 5th how many times it takes to make sure people have confidence which agree with the. robot. here because this isn't something that we can probably talk until the wee morning hours about this is so much a hot issue that most americans do not know about and it's bad our law actions are not secure we have a good senator who can talk to mitch mcconnell to thank him for that he unfortunately did not do the right i want to do the right thing right up to 26 didn't think you know what we need more money towards making our elections more

secure because we know there was warning her parents in $26.00 and it was remembered as a data that shows that however we had no clue the impact because it isn't possible to measure electronic voting is so new in this country if you still look at it and how are we going to know if john boyd bob in my home state of west virginia had been municipality were which you task where being the clerk up how is he going to now if he was in there if it's machines where temper where they are you know with whatever we want to make use of brains for people will not know even the most micro level. elections were interviewed way and that's what's worried me is that we didn't know step from this country and it should come from the federal government i believe and look and the lifelong concern is where they say the federal government really should get involved we have an other approach but this was one area where we thought it out and we thought it might mean i'm secure how elections we might not be in such a hot hot mess let me just put it that way this will happen because people are

scared about the whole process though again nothing done to secure the process no more information or education on how the process can be more a bill or to vote and get a younger 2nd of americans voting that we just did just a tiny bit i'm much more angry by beeping really not expected split the states counties that you know that ok is that proving to be pain be charged to be going to prison for it ok. but on your point yes i agree with you 100 percent to make think it's something they've done is actually now. not that difficult to understand it's just not brought up very much ok you know anything but 100 pounds to vote so you know you know we used to believe it was dispassionate you know now there's growing suspicions you know in the end with good reason and we need always always need more and more transparency that's the solution to this more transparency really are all very i joined the fact that read a found

a way to attack them and the majority leader here that was quite skillful i guarantee you you get every single vote in the republican senate and as much federal funding as anyone wanted voter id if you required an id to vote as part of that bill every single republican in the senate would be on board but they fact democrats do not want to shape and fair elections they don't i mean there are laws in many states that that you know they're it's technically not fraud because it's legal but event but it vantage questionable voting states where states where you can vote by bringing a lease that was signed yesterday in the state of wisconsin you know i there are so again if the true concern was an election integrity show when id get to vote and every single republican vote the senate would be on board but and i'm the we're in i call that legal fraud ok is it it's legal fraud here you know i mean i guess what

i mean. by the way if you're a conservative like myself here i mean you know if you need i.d. to get on an airplane if you need id keep it. open up a bank account i don't understand why you don't need id to go vote if you're sending that you know i mean and i'm not trying to be discriminatory here that i know in my lifetime i've known countless number of people that have immigrated to the united states that are very proud americans and they're very proud that they can vote because the country they came from they didn't have a 3 in their vote and so having that ip saying i am an american citizen. i can vote you know how prideful people feel that way i know a lot of people the left don't ok but i know a lot of people that feel that prime that that is such an important right for them that so many americans actually take for granted go ahead reader well i'm i'm one of those that got that i'm going god are we going to grow and so you know look if you ask me why i mean my clear image here it's not because i want to but it's a general feeling of patriots i thought because you know it was. you know he was

there in line with your parents and go through all the hoops and all the money so we'd go easier and won well i think great if i was what people were going to hear on for our country is i talk where dollars 'd but what we're we're proper appropriate because this will go on as well because you opportunity because the popular in politics i mean i would democrats have really perpetuated 'd and bought i know what we can walk on and that's sort of a 4 you know i mean but there's a social pact yeah pretty obvious for me when i read also a lot of the law permits and so i do agree with the questioners where lots i think of jobs all well as a part of our party bought wife illegal to go up seems anyone but what they want to . do a lot to her about her job you know a lot of people having the get what they want is power and what they want to cage it's not because well he works hard to be you know he pays taxes he shouldn't write

a book well that's a that's the court should decide that ok we are on the fact of the matter the fact of the matter is is it's a decision she gives you certain rights if you do not have citizenship you do not have those rights ok it's one of the very few rights you don't town any living in america here so you know for me the way the democrats sleep lately in liberals say it's for democracy you know it's for their own power a good that's what they want and they want to change the electorate that's what they want to do and that's why we need to have these clean. elections because there's going to be one of the countries are going to say and i mark my words i feel very strongly about this they're going to say we got cheated ok we got cheated ok asking bernie sanders supporter what it feels like i'm a day to day him twice ok i last 20 seconds go to rory there in las vegas. i mean i agree with your point that without fair elections without clean elections there is

going to be a plenty of people who say that we got cheated and i am hopeful that you know whichever campaign wins you know provided it is election free of fraud free you know free of tampering that i believe there will be if you know a peaceful transition of power that is the will of the voters and in this country for you already and weena fingers crossed the people would have begun i guess and rested in las vegas when i think our viewers were watching us here are to see him next time remember. the pandemic no certainly no blood is just the 2 nationalities. has emerged we don't come with the we don't have the facts the whole world to be.

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