all star wrestling ok in bad form ok in my opinion go ahead. it was cringe worthy it was truly truly cringe worthy and it was embarrassing as an american it was embarrassing i don't care which side of the aisle you're on i had hoped as a democrat that biden would have come in prepared this is not unusual for donald trump to interrupt it's not unusual for him to go off topic and so i had hoped that president biden would have been prepared for that and simply stuck to the important part that the american wants to hear the policy issues yet he still got pulled down ensued outruns mud pit and the name calling and even even saying shut up bother me write or speak in front of children's classes all the time and if you accidentally say set up an elementary school class they will tell you shut up is a bad word so we can even have our children watch this debate to get a good example of what american politics is supposed to be abaft and honestly i

would have to say that both sides were losers in this one i don't think anyone would have been swayed either side the only people who may have been sway are people who say listen i don't want to vote i'm not a normal voter but i'm just now because i think they're going to court the election if i'm going to get by and i think that they were convinced to stay on the sidelines yet again i think that that is probably the most important observation that i've heard from anyone looking at these debates it's not the partisans it's the people it is it worthwhile and i think you're spot on on that point there but you know george let's let's kind of go break it down a bit here i mean one of the things i took away the weekend if we can talk about p.p.i. trips i don't think it really adds to our conversation here but i mean one thing to trump you know when when when the moderator chris was asked you know about packing the court i mean that was unbiased part that was an obvious obvious deflection he wouldn't answer he's been asked for any during the debate he wouldn't ask it and

trump was absolutely right because binds terrifying to the left his the progressive he said eric. 5 of them ok he needs to get across the line with them now and the issue of courts are very very important for very strong conservatives and for progressives here and i thought that that was a real weak point because i would like to think that the 3 of us are far more interested in policy then the the the personalities that that media love because they get ratings but i mean you know on the policy issue you know biden deflected very very often go ahead. well they both did actually it's an interesting election because typically in the primaries the candidates tacked too far the right or far left of name which are here in and then in the in the in the general election they move into the center try to appeal to independents and moderates and people who don't track politics all the time and last night they did both of them did exactly the opposite and by the former vice president as you said basically refused to say

he went back or in the end he also did a lot of the law and order baiting that trump you know pushing any but the president also when he was asked what is your damn white supremacy groups and far right time actors he said i could never who ever you want but then he didn't express leads to that so he dodged that when do i was stunned by bo i understand what they're trying to do but i think this is appealing to that 10 to 15 percent of both parties that are highly partisan way off in the in the rust so to speak and not the fair way of american policy views i don't think it's good for the country and i don't think it's back to be here. really don't you think you think it moves the needle when it comes to november i mean it has to be a very and my introduction is that are there any undecided voters out there i think you know considering not is because i'm highly critical of by and his campaign for its lack of substance here and their campaign isn't actually very effective because

they're focusing it all on trump but it might just going to become president i really would like to know what he stands for we really jumped ok so what about the undecided oh hey. so you know i think this election does a lot to say that we don't know what biden is for we've seen him in the white house for 8 years we've seen him in congress for so many years you know what biden is for he is for expanding health care he is for ensuring that there's public safety on the streets i think that it is clear i don't think he has to reestablish his record at this point we know who he is and he's trying to tie himself with president obama bethink for the undecideds again i think it's going to be this push to actually get out there president trump made the most important statement in the opening last night he said elections have consequences nicole's boy they do well when he said they're related to the courts you know i was a quarter of bernie sanders in the 2016 election and it was really hard after the

primary to convince the burnie supporters who are who are condit i want them as undecided they were angry decided right and they were voting against the establishment of the democratic party i think that this last night i spoke to them spoke to them to see what we did in 2016 by being so angry at hillary clinton we simply can't afford it now because elections have consequences and the courts right now it's one of the biggest consequences that i think it's finally starting to make sense to people who didn't realize how important it is to look at you know george like one of the things i've been very critical of the of the trunk and ministration and its campaign during this medical help crisis year and the deep recession that so many people are feeling is that the truth and ministration could have very easily gone to the left of joe biden but they refused to do it where is congress where are they right now they're not at work ok and there's

a lot millions tens of millions of people suffering donald trump you know maybe executive order on pharma like you know i gave 2 days before the debate you know 30 some to. days before the be the election and it was a really lame attempt to say this is what health care is i mean again from a policy point of view i think both parties have failed the middle class miserably in dealing with the pen demick in dealing with the economic turndown and this was a golden opportunity for trump but he still surrounds himself with all the wrong people from wall street these libertarians that make us such a small part of the party it's a missed opportunity and i see signs with both conventions where the middle class they were largely absent it was a special interest i don't react to that george yeah i disagree with that i think the republican convention highlighted african-americans and hispanic americans and recent immigrants and lots of people that don't love wall street or the far right

libertarian type fringe i thought it was actually very well choreographed i would compliment chris wallace he's been having with her in fire for his role in the last lateral one thing he didn't attack the president on health care because the president and his team don't have a health care plan and that was respected i would also come back the elections have consequences come at the lead onset i totally agree with that and i'm i i would say that in 2016 that the republicans control the senate you may have the ability to not take merrick garland on consent because they control the senate and this time around the president won the election if one is 60 and he's got the rights of nominating a justice and the senate's got the right to hear testimony and vote on that's the way they don't lections work and it's the way it is and if democrats want that ability they need to win this election and they need to win back the senate it's as simple that i would make one mother other comment it's a sad point in our american life that any calling various problems you know when.

appointments in spring corps just as 55149 think it's a 48 as if she had been a nominee when we're bader ginsburg was was nominated or when sandra day o'connor was nominated she'd be and night 5. fireworks 1000 she's just exceptional she's all american she's exceptional and you can disagree with her on on on the war her judicial temperament the way she handles or recording but she's brilliant and she's very rights movement she well and every person if we look at the if it's advice and consent the question is she a good jurist it's not her politics but that's what we've gotten to and that's what we've got a place where we are because we look to the courts to decide things when it was congress in congress there are a collective group of cowards who just throw it up to the court throw it up the party don't want to take any are you like that's what's happening here all right. but i want to push back a little bit and been actually kind of agreeing with you is it you know with the

convention i think both conventions missed the class issue both and i and i criticize republicans they played i get it terry paul identity politics and you may disagree with me but i find that to be a dead end because class is a very important issue and i guess you don't hear very community conservatives like me talk about class very much go ahead before we go to the break i agree 100 percent you know simply having i did the politics have minorities actually convention does not mean you're talking about class there are a lot of middle and lower class white americans that he should be looking to $750.00 as the federal income tax that our president pays when people who are on welfare who are full welfare can pay more than that in federal taxes in a year says a lot you know it was funny you know i think about this as history repeats itself during the revolutionary war and making up america that order to split poor whites and african-americans who were here whether they were free or enslaved the rich

white landowning americans made the poor whites feel like they were right they got like i hold that we have to go to heartbreak after heartbreak we'll continue our discussion on the 1st presidential debates they are. property. tax. property. tax incentives are for to encourage entrepreneurs to create millions of jobs by being a property developer.

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when you go to take it you are now seeing. the bad guys and because they spout off about. the current. public. welcome back to crossfire you're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the 1st presidential debate. ok let's go back to a doctor when you were making a point for going to the break please don't write it so the point is that it's been the foundation of american history that we separate the poor from the rich right and the way they do that is that the rich make the poor not focus on the real

issues at the convention they do not focus on the real issues how much are you paying your tax dollars how much is your health care cost how much money are you getting back as a worker things stay the same with the minimum wage the federal minimum wage is still low these are issues that they did not focus on at either convention i agree with you wholeheartedly and they missed the boat and they're missing a lot of americans and in their money in the wires by having these this. infighting like we saw in the debate last night that dez not ever not i think the question truly assure us what the middle class needs to hear coming out of the pandemic of fossil records you know george i mean if you look at polls and it's bipartisan you know it's either the $12.00 or 3 issue is health care but both parties they want it they want to train they want to. go on the margins of changing this adding this difficult there's no real i'm sorry but there is no serious conversation about

health care and what done is absolutely right you know my progressive friends on the program here is that if there was a time to think about health care it is now and it's not being fought about there's so there's so many no's qualifications i really think there has to be a major rethink and as everyone likes to say reimagine it ok because this is the time to do it. i'm going to come back to health care i want to address your middle class and lower middle class comments i disagree with you both on that i think trump won last time around because the anglo middle class lower middle class and poor voter in the midwest thought the democratic party had embrace that in politics and abandoned them and that's why they all voted for trump and i think this election i just gave it all ok i think it was just i don't i was making i think it was what you know it was the trade issue see the media missed it the democrats missed it was trade and i would understand your student trade policy and heard them

and you know what george lived on in her white people black people and brown people all people that hit ok i'm not we aren't i would argue that. trumps made some inroads with hispanic and african-american voters as carmen not much but enough that maybe the election but i would argue the election's going to this time around whether those voters in pennsylvania ohio minnesota wisconsin michigan or. when we try out last time or you do it again this time around if you look at something norseman seems to recede unions have been indorsing in the police forces in indorsing in all these groups that are traditionally very democratic so that's an interesting phenomenon how my step back and forth is going to be a big factor backing up here i do think the democrats are taking health care much more seriously than republicans and i think most democrats you're active in their party want medicare for all and the problem with the seriousness of that proposal is that would bankrupt the country i wouldn't rate the republicans and have not

been serious on health care he you look at when they control the senate the house and the presidency and they've been saying repeal and replace for 7 years and also and they have no plan to do that and that's just that's an abomination that's terrible policy with paul ryan in charge of the house they should have a comprehensive plan that they are lies is the worst well hold on don't don't even get me started going back to you know you know what you used to work a craft you know a little undone here the current system is bankrupt the people left right and center ok so you know i find that to be on the point of scare tactics but both of you have said in the context of this debate in one and i in and it gives me hope the only hope is that there's a real mind and going on right now ok we have a progressive on the program that thinks they don't have a terry in politics those who are you have a conservative like me on the program that think we have to think about single payer if it's these parties that are doing this ok donald trump ran as

as a as an outsider ok he ran as a populist he's governed like jeb bush ok and then joe biden i would argue doesn't really have very very helpless strongly held views but he has this coalition he has to keep together and he's got his fingers crossed that bernie prose and i say that in a positive way will stick with them that there is a real line meant going on here. and i think that this is an opportunity for all of this because the i can't say it on this television station beck yes show that we saw last night tells us that that are all it takes is is i think corrupt and it is it is. rotten in many many ways here and just on this program in the short few minutes that we have kind of come up with other ideas that don't necessarily follow the strictures of the of the parties go ahead george. i would say that last night

was an abomination and it was un-american and it would go against what we do here in texas which is worse competitive and we fight as hard as it's anybody's but world i would argue we do is gentlemen and his legs and we treat the other person with respect and dignity and i joined this procession if people haven't been doing it they've been letting the other person think what they want to do and we're missing that in american public life right now a lot of people are going to follow after traumas that havior and and model what he does and saw the former vice president that last night which is this or any on both sides the aisle and i think that's a bad thing for our country you know it's it got really personal. hunter biden was mentioned and then trump's so ok and i thought you know chris wallace i have moderate debates all the time tonight i'm going to give a sly pass the chris wallace it's not is easy as people think however he did was deferential to biting when it came to his son because we could compare hunter by

the tax issue with donald trump i don't understand why more people are outraged by the tax story because that's how rich people get away with paying taxes not donald trump ok of course he does it everybody knows he doesn't tax no designed to help people like him there was not enough outrage about that and on the other side was by the senate you know but he's smart and these other stories here this is not this is not a conspiracy this isn't this is not all made up it's not a fox news story you know the hunter by people with the help apparently i mean he was the son of the sitting vice president of the united states i think there has to be some accountability there and that's what you know when we look back in 2016 i think that issue played to trounce advantage you know accountability looking at the weak candidate that hillary clinton clinton was and i think you know you know looking at the tax code and looking at pay to play are things that did the american

people who need more transparency. i agree i'll say i'm the progressive side i don't think anybody cares about what biden sends did that's a it's a talking point is a talking point it's a deflection it's a way to not talk about something that is more substantial to talk about what is going on in america right now the tax issue however goals to the core of who we are let's not for get down child has run several bank run companies so then find out that you are leaving a giving out truly that does so it's time to live discuss now that we've kind of flip sides on many issues conservatives used to be this school conservatives they've always done in my opinion both at the state level and the national level a much better job of watching our budget making sure we're not spending money on things that we don't he spent not anymore not in 2020 they spent so much money but it is a personal affront to know that we're spending federal tax dollars and troops not

'd putting in its fair share trust me i love if i can get a write off for these hairdos when i come on this show but i can't because my counsel is that that is not legal so it's not legal for me is not legal for that is an american issue what happened with hunter biden is not an issue that i think many americans care about and you're exactly right well you know i am not going to push back a little bit about that i mean you're in a privileged position and you couldn't you can cash in on your privileged position not because of your merits or are a bit of a villain to use here i think that is an affront to most americans particularly today when so many people were took a told that they were going to lose their job through no fault of their own and then you know they're left holding the bag because congress said well you know it's not bad enough it's not a national emergency it's there 40000000 national emergencies out there and then hunter biden is sitting in his jaguar earned got millions and millions of dollars for being the son of the vice president i think that is

a salient issue here george around maybe as well i think about. it well to have being if i may say one thing i may say that may be true and so you see all of trump's children walk in who have a job in the white house who are still making millions of dollars where he did not at best from his business at that same exact debate and so you may want to bring up biden sign but then you got to look at the entire tritely but i don't i don't have to bring up the truth from children because they're under a microscope all of the time ok and they accept it ok i would say differently about the biden family george were rapidly wanting at a time going yeah i've got 2 responses that answer the remote very poignant things to bring up 1st of all with dawn's making a lot of great points for progress you might say which you might notice both parties are spending like drunken sailors in their industry reborn at this point and i want to go back to the medicare for all policy and democrats that by the math would bankrupt the country a lot faster than pattering right now we're going to go bankrupt anyway with with

entitlements overwhelm our tax revenues and i would come back to the corruption or monk presidential camerons we've come a long way from harry truman in lisette scranton to write their memoirs to point our party can say they were getting down to where they can pay their bills and to be nonpartizan it started with ronald reagan when he got made $2000000.00 and everyone since then has cash in on the presidency and 100 by its behavior is a lot is an abomination and i think it's very relevant and i'm tired of these powerful strong leaders in washington cashing in on public service it's disgusting i don't care where it's republican or democrat ok i'm going to end this program very rarely just like i have said i think i have something to say that i think is really important is basically to live down here is that it is an interesting dear then in january and february you remember you hearing we don't have any money for it there's not enough money ever since then there is

a lot since money oh all over the place to pay for things and to pay for the rich. each to make sure they're safe ok bail them out 1st ok and then when the people the people that were ever on the frontlines you know they're the ones that need it the most and you know what they're left holding the bag and i think that's an abomination the debate reflects the state of the politics of the country that's all the time we have here i want to thank my guests. panama city beach and dallas and i think our viewers for watching us you're out you see you next hour i mean remember . the birds are ahead. or behind 40 feet but so. far good. of it is that if you. see

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