the thing about julian is on the wiki leaks they might have known about the collateral murder video and you see in the soldiers american soldiers killing journalists why is julian assange is the one who is at the old bailey being tried not all those people around the world that whose war crimes he exposed it where he lays well if a debate about china or russia or one of the official enemy is that's fine but this is about us he gave us too much truth. he made those who committed these 4 crimes he forced them to look in the maira it's then it's you that's his unforgivable crime but you see we don't commit these crimes we don't shoot people. in who are unarmed we don't govern them down on the law. we don't do all the

things that the wiki leaks. the wiki leaks video has told us plus so much else our politicians and in the present circumstances it's almost a mockery to say so politicians don't really love i mean our press tells us the truth al media by and large few things wrong with that but by log. is a free media none of these things are true and the song was a son to represent what i would say is too much truth. it is the most important political trial of this century certainly one of the most important of my lifetime and it's been virtually blacked out by most of the sort of coal misnamed mainstream media it's no surprise to me. but when you sit

in court and listen to some of the truly shocking evidence indisputable evidence the just the day the what i would call the medical day describing what a songe was gone through with the evidence of professor michael kopelman and professor kate humphries both of them distinguish you're of psychiatrists talking about the way this single human being has been punished for telling this truth that if it goes if he's sent to the united states if he's extradited he'll find a way to take his own life. i want to get to the psychiatric reports and in a 2nd because goes the u.s. prosecutor is present there at the el bailey trial cause doubt on the on the. prominent. dallas out they call i've never hood in this modern age when finally

we're recognizing the blight of mental illness how it touches so many of us and especially during this. coronavirus period. the prosecution q.c. . attempting to discredit professor kopelman safer than zz and describe mental illness is most lingering is such that you know it's like a victorian. as if it didn't happen well also the prosecutors said that he would be less likely to kill himself joining us on to be less likely to kill himself in the united states prison than he had belmarsh prison in london well of course yes. has he been in a u.s. prison supermax i have i've interviewed people in the they were described i think

by edward fitzgerald q.c. the defense q.c. as a clean hell. and that says it perfectly the sanitized wonderfully scent of tar shining. and they are a vision of a true brave new world and it's there as so many witnesses made clear he'd be subject to something cold sams it's an acronym for special administrative measures in which he'd be dropped in the hall and not seen again they said not solitary confinement in that in fact he would have access to things that easy the prosecution's arguing against this was not was was night against day it was so disingenuously quite a was a country club so it was it was so pathetic one rightly should be angry about it but that's the game they play. a song as the whole the whole hearing shouldn't of

happened it should have been for all and out we had evidence on the the 2nd last day that. a sundress being spied on by a spanish security company almost certainly in the pay of the cia all his his confidential deliberations with with his lawyers and doctors had been spied on on record that would be enough to throw doubt in the other famous. whistle blower case of daniel ellsberg in 1971 i think it was an ellsberg of course was one of the witnesses at the as saddam's trial. it was the fact that nixon had sent his thugs into daniel ellsberg psychiatrist's office trying to get some dirt on him the very thing. but the americans were doing in the

ecuadorian embassy on the somme that in the old trial was enough to throw the judge threw it out david no rallies of that case continues but david rose and you see global claim they were protecting julian assange as they were hired by the ecuadorian government to help sure they goes on all the pig flying of. describe his average day julian isn't just average day's average day at the moment i don't know whether he will be relieved once this thing is a. he is roused at 5 o'clock in the morning in belmont. he is stripped searched he's shackled. presumably he's allowed to shop and have some prison breakfast he then in june. at least an hour and a half. in this torture his drive from belmont to the old bailey in walked his partner stella morris is described as something like an

upright coffin i've seen it it's a great white circle around the truck of course. and there's a small window at the top to look out to you have to stand rather precariously so in this dreadful stop stop traffic and i've driven it from belmont to the central criminal court songes taken in this in this box this this this prison. to to a court where he he sits in. a glove scorer drove in which is his god and himself and the only way he can speak to his lawyers is to get down on his knees time and again i've watched him because where i've been sitting has been looking down on him he's got down on his knees to speak

through a slit in the garage in the in the gloss. to one of the. lawyers at the back and she writes his message on opposed to the post it is then handed through the body of the court to the barest as who are arguing the case against his extradition to an american oh all that's how he communicates with his lawyers it's actually slightly better than what it was had westminster magistrate's court where is actually in a glass cage he's now in a glass corridor will. go denied. coffin that they carry out their private eyes outsourced british government justice. all brilliantly do you think that's the reason why judge or magistrate evidence of rates of didn't want amnesty international reporters without borders present i mean why were they not allowed in

they've been tweeting furiously reporters without borders and amnesty all over mean it's good to see both those organizations. of law speaking up too many organizations and i'm not necessarily pointing the finger at both of them but a son should have been a prisoner of conscience along with chelsea manning a long time ago it's good to see them protesting out at this outrage that they want allowed in the court will remain convinced in the report is that voters went so far as to tweet against a b.b.c. journalist arguably well a b.b.c. journalist said you see the reason why you view is may have to what's going on the ground to hear about this and not the b.b.c. court reporter daily from this trial of the century as people have been calling it is it was a bit repetitive you know the inane a-t. and the cynicism in that statement repetitive every day has

been a description usually of hell of the kind of hell the wiki leaks exposes the kind of hell to which all of us have a right to know. which is now being imposed on the on the truth teller himself and for that b.b.c. journalist to describe it as repetitive. doesn't quite leave me speechless but. it leaves me with a sense that. it's over. with much of the media to watch this day off the day this extraordinary important trial telling us so much about. how those who govern us those who want to control our lives and what they are and what they do to other countries how they live to us watch this day off today. and see none of it reported or if you do see it reported

you'll see something like. a sound told to pipe down by the judge on the day. he only did this 2 or 3 times i don't know how he kept his mouth shot. where he stood up and protested at at the evidence that was that was clearly. folse and and offensive to him and that was the headline that was the story of the day we didn't get access what was the judge like this judge threw out for this abrasive she declared against the defense so many times she imposed a guillotine of hall from now on the. on defense witnesses statement. and she gave up to 4. to

the to the prosecution for their cross-examination no i know cross-examination usually gets more time but the disparity between the 2 is absolutely well over to the crown prosecution service will deny all of that john pilger i'll stop you there more from one of the world's greatest journalists after this short break. it was a very nice show from president. and i could have said no thank you or i could have said thank you and i said i'll take it and now it's time to introduce my bestial mr

don't travel thank you says in the dream i choose the. name whatever you want to name i mean i don't know how when i come that news that's dishonest telecom that a recorder or an internet works that's totally dishonest c.n.n. is says you know 100 percent negative i can reverse the change fast changes so fast sometimes i'll say that's going to be a great story i'd be a pretty good reporter now there's good as you. can do we'll see what happens who knows i always say who knows what we'll see on the field it will be success. become a battleground in the u.s. in the moment people are demanding the shut down of a local plant from my yankee is right now my focus because it's a very dangerous. power plant that was attempting to run the reactor beyond its operational limit this case just sort of puts

a magnifying glass on. where's the power in this country where is it going is it moving more towards corporate interests or is it more in the idea of the traditional just appearing to barker seize power lie with the people this case demonstrates that struggle in the very real ways the struggle. welcome back i'm still here with journalist filmmaker and friend of wiki leaks founder julian songe john pilger the guardian newspaper was referred to time and time again as a family member has an element of all being and david lee david lee who was and trusted the. secret password to. some of the wiki leaks falls and published it and they published the book

to get the money and has been saying that julian assange image or at least printing stories about judaism's being the problem because he didn't redact data from wiki leaks cables that were released that's in danger in people around the world what is meant for interrupting but what is coming through perhaps more powerfully than end of thing is the one out of his way to protect in 4 months to redact. daniel ellsberg said he redacted 15000 files the distinguished investigative journalist nicky hague who worked with the sound track on this said watched him taking the most extraordinary proportions with with with the material doesn't just paranoid one thing to redact so much i would suggest those who didn't redact perhaps or only up the side certainly not on a sondre side are known for for years the extent to which truly in the psalms went

to redact and tried to redact and work through the night to redact and couldn't and wasn't allowed to so much of this has come out in court and or to have been reported the one with the good you know the reporting about the guardian at the old bailey on its front page well perhaps the guardian has something to hide or even something to fear and do you think do you think there are many people that many publications that feel this way i mean this is who no one is having the guardian directly do don't go over the little i don't really want to concentrate the guardian's behavior through all this it's campaign of vilification against assad that's the way they turned on the source they way they are because he wouldn't be part of the collusive club. has been a disgrace they know it's been

a disgrace the way they published articles like the one that said that trump provides a poll manifold. and russians visited a son but it never happened there's been no apology from the guardian i think. it's not just the guardian there are many of the newspapers that a found some actually behaved rather honorably i think i think it was good to hear from the investigative reporter. joining goods who was the investigations editor i think of the spiegel in germany. he spoke very clearly he also refuted the story that was sawn which was in the hopping liebl there's a son she. had had had said that. it was quite a good thing that some of these informants while home goods harding and lee were

not at this dinner i put so silence was meant to have said this but john good's was and he said and said a son said nothing of the kind now judge parades wouldn't allow goods to actually after those words in court she cut him off. because of time well because i think the reason i stand corrected but i think the reason was that these words actually weren't in his written statement but he was telling the truth well we invite hiding and. this is and it's of the god you know on to explain its behavior i'm sure they'll deny completely in the secret agenda it has me said the joe biden the democrat contended full the presidency the

united states says that julia sand was. was like a high tech terrorist he called him a cyber terrorist yes. well what would you expect. a maiden trump by. jumps on the reg of his ain doesn't know anything about wiki leaks it's not my thing i know there is something having to do with julian is a who's who knows what trump knows about who knows what he says is true that minute it changes the next. i do know that what came out very clearly from these few days from story these few weeks in court was that. a son of his own trial for journalism. and the many of the journalists have done exactly what he did and that is publish. the. iraq and afghanistan war diaries.

one website published it well before even wiki leaks the guardian published the prosecutions and you know we time the prosecution did we can he says more reach even if we keep expose them later. but they they all publish the same thing and the. the 917 espionage act 103 years ago which has never been used against a journalist because in the united states the journalist and free journalism is meant to be protected by the constitution this is the 1st time. he's been it's been used the 1st time. and in my view if they get away with this if they send a sondre across the atlantic it point be the last time it will be the beginning who

will be next. you did detect someone hopefully some kind of change in the last 2 days of this 4 week hearing at the old bailey can you tell me a little bit about. my sense was that british justice has been so trashed by this trial unfold the so-called case management proceedings before it that an innocent man a man whose only crime has been biol infringement for which he received an unheard of sentence of almost a year in a maximum security prison with murderers and convicted terrorists. my sense is. they may feel it's going to be too far.

because everyone going into that court lawyers those of us who have been in many courts around the world. can no longer poured the 2 words british and justice together. there hasn't been due process in this court that has been due revenge. now certainly in the last few days there are periods the heads appeared to be a loosening up allowing of for instance the the the defense and prosecution are allowed a whole month to make there are they closing statements but still they come make them they call it augured them in court they can only make them on paper. and judge parade's who will give a decision. on the 4th of january on the stand. but the whole

dreadful drama. and the the og ewing against the. what professor mills mills of the u.n. reporter on torture has cooled to arguing against the very fact the obvious fact of the psychological torture of these journalist and publish published who told us about war crimes he told us about war crimes he told us about how governments lies that that's journalism has been recall sed literally has espionage not espionage in the country you come from or even the country you publish from this country but in another country the united states what has gone is solvent that american jurisdiction can

cross any ocean and reach into any country any journalist just imagine a reverse it. china doing that china with its own equivalent sounds k.'s russia can you imagine the outrage it would never happen. i mean obviously he's an australian citizen you were born in australia if he's extradited to have it in your court to face 175 year sentence if found guilty i mean would you be able to be a journalist and he will. own pain of body. anymore i don't. sorry i don't wish to give a frivolous sciences that's what i do and i regard it as a constant privilege but it is sort of israelis of course if it's always gave you information that pertain mostly us or curity i would try and find somewhere where

we published i doubt whether these days whether a newspaper would do it yes it does make us a lot of let's put also some just done what the best journalists have don't and. they will know they've they've they've come into court to you know people like nicky hogger and and and all those of come in to court patrick open to talk about journalism let's say that this is you know going underground he's extra spell it it really because obviously we publicize it and covering all of this i'm going to ask you then given that it's a month now for that evidence then it's the decision by parades or in january for 2021 and then perhaps an appeal to the high court and so what how given that we now know about smuggled in razor blades into belmarsh prison by julian is it the

suicide risk that he presents can he can he last i don't know i can't speculate on that. are whenever i've seen julian in belmont i mean when i 1st went to see him off to he was. after he was thrown out of the ecuadorian embassy one of the 1st things he said was . i think i'm losing my mind and i found myself reassuring him that he wasn't his resilience. is absolutely astonishing and that he and that includes courage of course. but what we did lower than i have to say it shocked me. that some of the display of. the punishment has worked on him that some of the despair that he has had to

endure during this. i think if he's freed he will recover he is a strong personality he is a political prisoner a political prisoners as they are they knew on robben island and so many other places can recover perhaps not everything but the substantial part of them because they are there. for a principle one of the things that's always been neglected about wiki leaks is that it started with a a rather moral a in that the politicians should be accountable. that's that they should in a democracy they should be accountable to us i know he felt that very passionately right from the beginning. so he has that

he feels strongly about that. but it's been 10 need is of incarceration of one kind or another and this last year or this loss. whatever dues 15 months in this dreadful place belmont has just been horrendous. it's it's just in the land of magna carta. what a what a shame. thank you and then he was being disturbed by the issues maybe ordering added british prison. numbers and that's it for the show will be back on monday 34 years to the day the world came to know about israel's alleged nuclear weapons for mordechai vanunu would be kidnapped in london square in a month. before solitary imprisonment there was a book and still not talked freely to the media until then keep in touch via you tube twitter facebook instagram and.

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