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the bad guy in the good guy well yes cops and robbers but when the cop becomes the robber the game is over the game is over s. corruption there was a horrific twist of fate that led to reggie's release. was more fortunate his father's death led to an unexpected turn providence was his big thing in any have you know great life insurance and lose 184000 that my dad loved and i was able to parlay that up to about $236.00 stock market and then it was just 100 percent of my time dedicated to my case and that enabled those to hire a private investigator we have essentially a growing war chest of evidence that i have committed the crime or at least that all the evidence that was presented was it was false evidence i had received a complaint from i flew up to. the state prison where there was i spoke to him once somebody is accused of murder and you're arrested for murder it's tape
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recorded everything is tape recorder i couldn't find his tape 'd it had been. taken out of the evidence by detective monsoon and it was never put back into evidence. detective months it was said the footprints outside the house matched the footprints on the inside lieutenant gavin found the footprints were actually looked at by a scientist or any qualified expert so we took matters into his own 'd so i contacted our people scientific investigative division so he takes how this big magnifying glass looks at it looks at the other one a goes these 2 don't match see this is a great embarrassment for any large organization that you've convicted somebody for murder and then 51020 years later it's true it turns out that the person is actually aniston. and this is what my lieutenant said that is not in that prison do you understand me sergeant gap and they will do everything they can to stop you prevent you from going forward with the information you have. in the comprehensive
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work of the private investigator l.a.p.d. internal affairs department claimed his complaints were unfounded and that no misconduct had occurred you can't have an internal investigation were we all investigate ourselves that this this. is the ortiz or anything like that i'm just against the system that has no checks and balances you who is taking y'all i believe should be separate from the police department there is no way that a police department can investigate themselves currently there are no independent organizations whose job it is to investigate police misconduct and there's no oversight of prosecutors either. prosecutorial misconduct dizzee major factor of wrongful convictions just a single thread that runs through almost all of the wrongful conviction cases deskovic as a master's in criminal justice specializing in wrongful convictions is also a survivor of prosecutorial misconduct i spent 16 years in prison i was wrongfully
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convicted at 17. emerged at $32.00 jeff eventually won a lawsuit against putnam county new york prison conviction which enabled him to start his own foundation i'll be founder and executive director of the joint protest of it but just as there's no deterrent there's no oversight is no punishment for prosecutors so they can break the law they don't face criminal penalties even when they engage in withholding evidence of innocence threatening witnesses coercing witnesses no matter how serious the misconduct is if the prosecutor commits that after an arrest has been made they have what's called prosecutorial immunity they're above the law the prosecutors to really uphold what's become just words which is you know they're there to do justice they're there to do the right thing it becomes more like we're there to win expression in prosecutors' offices actually keep statistic. on conviction rates well you should
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be credited that you looked at a case where the police thought they had a good case but a good prosecutor looked and said you know what there's some mistakes made here we should drop the charges in this case we should incentivize that but instead we actually incentivize the opposite of getting convictions and getting conviction rates all of a sudden justice gets lost in that process and whether this guy committed the crime or not gets lost in the process because it's all about winning my case immunity. i mean in the real world you know you suppose we hold accountable for your wrongdoings so therefore if you are a person of authority already the you have to be held at a higher standard than just a lamely i think we actually just step back and kind of rethink the whole system in the way we're approaching it because it's become this game and people's lives are lost as a result of it. if you ever do
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find yourself fully convicted odds are you never get now the 1st thing you need to do is in preservation letters to the police department and the courts requesting that you want all your evidence say otherwise they may destroy it within 30 days to try to find an innocence project that will take you case prepare for this process to take years. for mere. the innocence project estimates conservatively there could easily be 40000 to over 100000 americans currently wrongfully convicted the majority of which are people of color. this is private investigator. a very vigorous private investigator who made a complaint to the l.a.p.d. . on the desk of the internal affairs investigator who. looked at bruce's claims in
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a very serious minded fashion. it's the people like the tact of the others out there that have made our job very difficult to do day after day because we lose the confidence of the public and we lose the confidence of the courts we have to have police chief structures of public service that are willing to do the right thing and terminate employees who are doing the wrong thing if you want to say you're the good guy but you're ostracized by everybody that you believe then it's a very difficult situation because i have to continue to work for the same department that the. i don't look at myself as a hero i look at myself as a sort of survivor because the system attacked me system one after me and the system did everything they could to keep her in jail and everything to keep me
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quiet it's been a lot of therapy my wife and i met in 3rd grade we were elementary junior high high schools we lived on the same street and it's a been it's been a very difficult difficult road she is 3rd generation l.a.p.d. and so their survival is day by day and always looking over your shoulder whether you're doing the right thing or not you're constantly looking over your shoulder and every time i get called into the captain's office i wonder what did i do now and i've never had that feeling before i just kept on telling myself they are not going to defeat me they're not going to defeat me it's just when you come across something like this what are you going to do and that's the difficult thing if i had not given the information that i did to the l.a. times bruce lister would still be in prison. a bloody footprint that was attributed to bruce at his trial had recently. reanalyzed and shown to not been made from
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bruce issue so they got his interest in the case and we started talking to those that private investigator began the 7 month investigation and at the conclusion of that they filed an article called the case of doubt that eventually won them in award when the times and i want up sitting between 2005 when the 1st article came out and 2009 in prison for solid years. a widely recognized innocent man we knew back in 20032004 that we had probably a person that was imprisoned for a crime he did not commit and it took 5 years for the courts to work through the entire system there were a lot of delays because of the conduct of my own police department and the conduct of the california attorney general. reggie kohl spent 16 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit 10 of those years were spent in solitary confinement and he had to kill another man to get a trial it's
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a miracle reggie got out of all. thames is a miracle story as well in late 2012 after 26 years he made parole. i signed some papers for the prof's or he said ok see you later. then asked me how i was getting home didn't ask me if i had a home when i realize these people honestly don't give. to survive do you know dislodge harder than this sounds to me and develop pools of magic stress disorder guru phobia paranoia and require immediate treatment you under the food new clothes you're going to need money for transportation to and from view of the room was the meeting. if you miss
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a beating you could be minute. but there's a lot of discrimination out there for him to. speak you which. indeed. i wouldn't have a home if it wasn't for the rescue the life foundation. god and that foundation. is what's got me by. the reason i'm sitting here and not back inside. after school we would have to go. and hang out all day work around the business. there are organisations that we just patrol so it's pretty say we have black panthers. gringas organisation. as we head the nation.
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it was pretty cool you know you don't have to worry about people coming in holding you up and everything you have to worry about. but it was after the whole when they get pushed. that everything you know we're crazy all that came out and you know you were you were fair game in the store operators. everybody's mother she just before she would be. one day while i was there. grab. the money d. and he figured it was a. you know. you know he had his own issues how to move in just you know with his students kicking her and demanded more he got all the money we hate you know. mother wasn't once. over and over again. the world is driven by a dreamer. shaped by fun person. who
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they are the house of. god since we. need. to meet the enemy and the spirit who are. coming through the system definition in. the midst of them run to. everybody's reaching for their geo political parlance as a question soucie and i mean answer russia and i think the resolution of this is there's going to be a nasty war that's going to go on for maybe months as john in an already rejected. must goes off to mediate because the fighting is too early on that people are now battling to see what territory they can get and i think when the fighting settles
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down and the lines are drawn and people realize that they're not going to move forward or backwards then they're going to turn to the other foot. i had a good friend he would always come in about me being so tight and he smokes we submit just take this you need to the right medication and lead to the page you know lead to cocaine in the p.c. pee. wee shot in the lead to my crime that happened this is me to prison and i'm going to prison for the 2nd degree murder to do is route me they
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were pows have been the middle man going to get the end of the you know robbing me because it happened to us in business the family business so much this guy he wasn't just someone that was robbing me all the time he was the image of somebody he had been victimized in my family and all these other times you got away with this time you want to go to get away so it was kind of like the previous day retaliation thing for you when you're you're going to pay for that so what i found is that which you can't forgive you end up becoming. what you can't forgive you in them becoming. so i had to learn how to forgive and then to go and i had to learn how to forgive him and then they go because he was also after i got to see his record this guy had a rap sheet you know from here from one side roll into the other you know and i
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could see you know he needed to same help did i need we are generally to imagine that there is such thing as for example a murderer and then they were in the murder in the public imagination and then most of our minds whether we thought about it or not initially is someone who likes to murder and who would murder given the opportunity i think that's what they think of a case and make that's what murders do they go around murdering mate and that's why you don't let them out of prison in prison are going to murder again. the reality is that murder is almost always a context of the situation it is statistically speaking very rarely driven by a compulsion or a desire to do harm it's a reaction from set of circumstances to a real or perceived threat to extreme emotional. propensity basically were confusing. the serial killer with prisoners in general if we as a society and imagine that the people in prison are fully human incredibly
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diverse have often been through some of the most extreme and difficult situations and conditions some of which many of us couldn't even really begin to imagine then suddenly all of that judgment and all that hostility and all that vindictiveness doesn't have such a natural place anymore many of our students have committed murder and felt horrible about their crime as soon as it happened it's not like they needed to sit in prison for 15 or 20 years to realise they've done a bad thing or to never want to do it again. there's no human element. to. no human no they're not there to help you they're not there to help society they can say they. are all they want. not in california
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and not in a lot of places. to punish people and they take a bad situation and they usually make it much worse. you know what's your. reason is. success rate of 20 percent if we have those requirements of. out of the sky it's a little bit crazy making and that is department of justice that it's federal government research dr michael coyle attended harvard university has a ph d. in just the studies and as a professor of criminal justice at california state university dr coyle says the prison not only increases criminal behavior it has a deleterious effect on society as a whole what happens to a family when the wage earner is removed from society and thrown into prison for 10 years. what happens to those children our very empowered one of their chances of success of life start to go down what will how does that impact the community loss
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of resources in our community more demands in the community now to help to help this family maybe the other parent maybe the children it's just so clearly a failure by every measure that you look at it but i think we just need to rethink the whole thing and not just keep trying to put lipstick on this bag because that's what don't i think it is difficult for people to imagine a world without prisons now we've become so accustomed to the idea of prisons that it's hard for people to imagine well what do you do with people if you don't put them in prison when when they've done wrong there are other alternatives just ask he said the degree of civilization in a society could be judged by entering its prisons hebrews 133 remember those who are in chains as if you were in cheese which. we don't we put everybody at risk. my husband dan was
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a police officer and he was killed in the line of duty and my goal at the trial was to get the man who killed my has been convicted of 1st degree murder and be given the death penalty and that's what i got that's what happened i thought ok here it is i got justice i'm going to be free from this and it didn't happen. it was just a. change anything. for experienced. my oldest son was murdered. from winter break college. and i was shot to death at a party. street in the projects and stuff. so i jumped him our car and i drove over there to the projects and i
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jumped off the car and i. am like you know it's left us all blind into focus you know and i might win without anybody. parents in the loved ones that are left behind like a mike let's listen to something different there's an opportunity here for us to take the wisdom that we know works what we would do for our own kids kids were in trouble into a very bodies kids. for all. to police scene and prisons for profit. at least half of the people in there are in there for crimes of addiction or economic desperation or mental health instead of just throwing everybody that we decide if we can help and the prison use the money for restored justice programs. and social services. there has to be
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citizen oversight and accountability for all our public servants. we have access to all of the data if you have any interest in justice or equal access to opportunity in this country all the. matter of. being logical. love. for yourself. good monday morning to you how a poignant man finally free after serving 16 years for a crime he didn't commit i don't think he was real and saw so much oh he's invisible. better. to try to describe the feeling. was an unbelievable feeling there was just an emotional roller coaster that you
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know i mean i cried walking out it was just the magnitude of all these years. now here it is and then. a moment later i would be too bewildered to cry and i would just be. that that whole day was really scary for a lot of people but i think that it would be like yeah. i was terrified there were well wishers well wishers there of officers of the new that. i think they knew the truth certainly knew the character you know my character and then i was in the parking lot. the air smelled different. and i wish my mom could have been there and wish my dad could have been there was my stepmom kind of him. but i think you know where they were.
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seen as. like once i got a little bit of this thought i want tourney's i just feel like running like just getting his 4 away from that place is possibly the best. not the answer that everybody would think. that i would have but. it was a. joyous time for me i mean like i literally was scared to death my cousin was waiting for me my private investor. it was waiting for me and i said. you want to hear what i actually said. and i looked at paul and i said you know. let's get the stuff in the truck out of here. and we could leave fast enough. the 1st place we stopped there was a push to breakfast and. i was like amazed at
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just the syrup me. it just was overwhelming it was completely overwhelming. i haven't been in a vehicle without being chained at my feet and with a waist chain and then handcuffs hooked to the waist chain and in a paper jumpsuit for 26 years. there were just me. trying to try to figure it out so i have to. i'm still trying to figure out a word out by. how do you adjust color for the planet mars to earth. oh you think the ox is saying look here. i don't think i'm going just. being.
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a person intelligence the point is to create trusts. likes to take on various chops and with artificial intelligence will summon the demon. must protect its own existence. everybody's reaching for the jugular scoop. soucie and i mean it's a rush and i think the resolution of this is there's going to be a gnostic war that's going to go on for maybe months as shown in an already rejected. must goes off to mediate because the fighting is too early on that people are now battling to see what territory they can get and i think when the fighting settles down and the lines are drawn and people realize that they're not going to
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move forward or backwards then they're going to to the other days. a week of hostilities between armenia and azerbaijan brings devastation to the point of what the relentless shelling of the capital actually reports from the area 2 massive explosions in the very center of the city 250 millimeter caliber so it is a massive rocket. the fighting skills beyond the dispute is not going to cut off region as a bordering us harry city comes under artillery fire. and i'm not here to call out lies everybody knows he's a liar there's nothing smart about you joe for you she was out base an excuse workers so your number to. the 1st presidential debate before the u.s. election descended into name calling and interruptions the 2nd round however is not
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