and if you're asking to t.v. stations in the west do they have a line and other interested in people with a period and then that's absolutely true and the obvious example is fox news which absolutely has an agenda and it's biased but you know i'm an old school journalist in so much this supposed to be about objective it see and you read shots people who know what they're talking about and if they don't agree with you and you know the least you can do is debate and the prescreening of and says in my mind it's not it's not on i mean in so much is if you want to discuss a tricky issue like this and it is a valid question so. if she isn't i'd say. you are someone like me and i'm going to say no you can put somebody else on who's going to say yes and then you've got it's bait that they would have to make up there are much more well let's start going down there is where i get this tendency of thinking whether it's a millionaire or to says most of it at this point i find it ironic that both the

russian and the west commentators sought to present it as sad as is my dumb moment with all the theories and host a bad hashtag but you've been arguing that that being answered alrosa aren't nothing like we've seen before what made them stand out for you. it's in many ways a unique revolution the tendency to think it's in my down because again as the people on the street mass demonstrations it looks very similar superficially is obvious and the western coverage international coverage i mean obviously the edits is going to reach for those kinds of parallels because the amount of information knowledge that you can assume in your readers is actually quite limited it's again when covering the sneer of it at night that well it's not in the news every day and so. it was in the u.k. or the u.s. would recognize this oh it's another color of a. here of the masses of people on the street and so there's

a natural tendency to frame the story in terms that your readers recognize but what we're trying to in is to the monuments story and surveillance of it and again the informed as watching this it's very different or have that one of the big chains one the biggest difference is ukraine is a very divided country between the rest of us in the east and the nationalists in the west and in belarus it seems to be a universal across the society as well i mean from the middle since actuals immense through to the factories and university rejects its shank and the peacefulness of the process the votes just as the organizers took them off sky air and several made it absolutely clear they want to have a peaceful process and also the lack of to politics if you remember john mccain the u.s. senate was on my down making speeches about freedom we are with the people which

was to say that we reject the democrats key elected president on a cove a show that everyone hates him and he was a terrible president. and appeal to the crowds there where is the protest is in better russia have made it clear that this is not you this fight while i dream of you that probably has grass roots promise in our largely void of geopolitics i'm not trying to you can. really come across this way and they can stay this way because that clearly a lot of adjure is quite trying to use those products to advise their to political interests going on because the problem is better answer is getting dragged in slowly to the chip let's stand off between russia and the west i mean you can assess just being in brussels you just met with my crohn's she's just about to meet with merkel and my problem is you know they they have agendas too that they have problems with russia but you know it's highly. methyl was i mean see i think just

this morning and she was saying that we stand with this other parents with the people and at the same time we believe look the same because knowledge is present president but at the same time we do know want to get involved as you know look politically in this. first english language address to the e.u. said we want you know sort it out see it please respect the sufferance of the russia in other words this is a fight between the people and there is and then this is a tricky question because when at when you recognize be it tainted in nature or even to try to project land the nature of the boat. you know when you question the legitimacy of the incumbent election can this case it's one thing but when you are all annoying to 2nd status and legitimacy to his competitor without actually having an accurate tally of the vote is something else entirely. that this is a dispute a question i mean and you probably saw i had

a long argument and so it's it was when i see it it's exactly this point. i say the beginning that we don't know what the actual result however there is some evidence in so much as there were 20 rebel owning stations set released what they claim is the real results of those shows that. won by an overwhelming majority. who did that could be that would serve as a proof that the day that the vote or the elections were a free and fair you can't take that as a measure or as a pro of you know another person and as it is my my problem is that at its core it's ultimately substituting internal election german legitimacy with. an outside recognition and it's at its core to tell to me deciding for the people that's exactly what the question is doing here is deciding for the people isn't the e.u. with as much criticism of him as it provides isn't actually doing the. i think just

siding for the dollar russian people that the issue here is to what extent are we comforted that he lost he claims he won 80 percent of the official result was $81.00 he has not behaved as a president who won 80 percent of the. no gration the rebel polling stations we have numbers and those numbers in order those stations so a landslide they say and also there was this just to be on that based on the official results also says 70 percent and finally when the pro-government demonstrations have been organized no one sends up if he just met the and really. can't be the name of the recent tracking to the question of what the look of shock is legitimate i'm not i'm not having that argument i think there are lots of additives that these these elections weren't free and fair and that he's legitimacy as a leader is that very very questionable my question is a friend again should meet a c.m.

that he had lost at that is a legitimate representative of the belarusian people that she had this status you need call shape last say aid package as she did on behalf of the belorussian people and the reason i'm asking these is not because i'm trying to put you know a look of shock and the e.u. on the sax a moral footing because the means that it is it used to procedure and and in this particular example it is not it is made to be serving assumptions that the problem is that i just miss a as president you know the levins as i say of putting up president names is that the central lesson committee it's all of that so there's no possibility of a recount and there's no possibility to check which means there has to be another election if we question that this is a this is something that the e.u. may well cross for but it's not doing that it is saying that we recognize directly or indirectly by accepting it and also get at that behind us level in brussels.

that she is the leader and that if you're reading into it that the only people who actually recognized. what they said and if you had seen as careful about this they have not recognized that dissent is the gist missy but only the latvians have said that she's actually president better don't you respect them in the economy and we can become very legalistic here and both look at shankar and the russian government has a long tradition of being legalistic that if you accept somebody of the highest level and enough good has been accepted by it but it hasn't all european institutions he's negotiating a package for democrats want to get all this thing that annoys her with the status even without you know putting it formal press release out i mean it's also about symbols is it not yeah but you know i mean negotiating is a loaded term i mean she's gone suppressors and she's talking to them by except to ask who exactly as who and that i mean as the

a member of the coordination house which is a self appointed buddy in order to negotiate but you know in that sense we see she normally won the elections or at least the likes of falsified i'm not sure but then they set up as a party to have a negotiation and then it's working about transitional government and a new election so this is being the position. and in that as the semi official head of the opposition movement is why she's being received in brussels but i wouldn't say she's negotiating in so much as there's no legal force to any of these scuffs it's having to listen to these cow autocrats and being posing champions over democracy abroad altima to play into each other's hands because they provide for these and national and all geopolitics and grassroots democratic initiatives because look at how they can now go and say yes see they recognize her without even counting their ballots and you know that and they days out to get me you will be 1st on the oh. mentally reinforcing each having narratives and. you know making

them so much difficulty much more difficult will all actors from grassroots movements you crash for democratic change without being accused or without being branded as a for an actor and i agree like i said in the beginning of this comments that you know it's getting dragged into this chip political game and at the same time sick enough. said in her comments that she has been a bit more demanding of the e.u. in so much that she thinks more pressure needs to be put on and so she is acting more presidential by taking that like she's made that decision on their own and she's she's not like it's anything at this point. but she she remains the face and europe remains convinced that not only were the elections totally legitimate she probably won the gold down the line everybody is saying that no one's going to make a president. that there has to be new elections and with those been ballots there

has to be because you need a definitive number on how many votes she wants and that's simply not available and we have to take a very short break now we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. for back door to. door behind 40 percent. of our group. everything that you. just said it is a political bit. but it. would. i managed to

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welcome back to worlds apart a bit better on terrorists etta james b.n.a. in telling us up but i want to charge on another news bomb to get us on in september and i'm talking about be allowed to poison the ok at russian opposition politician alex a number we should not only triggered all the middle year and narratives in both russia and the west but i think it actually made us seriously. and in line out the war changed the post whole war relationship between russia and germany there is now a real prospect of a hole in the construction of the noise stream pipeline ad if that happens if that comes to pass i am absolutely sure that the e.u. russian or russian german relationship will qualitatively change now that you are

a longtime russian what chair when you know are presented to me is like that it's so many ham complications and then and to ground currents how do you how do you go about making sense. be any sense focus on the business the economics and it's a nice frame of reference because you know it's like the fun of the money thing if you say this or the north stream there's a lot of let's. be perceptive piece if they the u.s. is looking you know now they're producing gas in excess and they want to export they're on a g. clearly the commercial aspects of this story play in this story and being the issue with no stream is. basically that it cuts ukraine out of the transit routes from russia and western europe feel like russia's been bullying ukraine but if you look at the economics i mean that talking about energy security however. in the

seventy's eighty's russia was responsible for 70 or $0.80 europe's gas that's foreign in the meantime to about 3540 percent so europe is already diversified away from russian gas and that having this new i plan the most stream to that russia will to live in exactly the same amount of gas as it's now so there's no increase in dependency on russia the problem is the and he security issues because when they went through the pipeline to ukraine because of the terrible relationships between russia and ukraine and because of ukraine being effectively bankrupt it couldn't pay its gas and gas from turned off in 2006 and people are taking this as a political action whereas it was actually an economic one and germany the reason why they key in on this pipeline it's actually increases their energy security because it goes directly from what it is it is actually clear that they are so keen on these pipelines anymore because in market herself as that quote and all and if

there's evidence that there is such at all sure going to get him to be. allowed to poisoning or somebody like the bali and the set huge implications huge an economic terms. what does it tell you that was dramatic i mean medical suggested she didn't say explicitly she's jested. that no strain to pipeline may not be complete because of. his asking for the kremlin you know to be accountable of the self accounts it's what actually happened which is news and i see said i mean this whole affair open about his poisoning good mom. dramatic change in attitudes because madeleine who doesn't have a very good we're working relationship i mean they both have to deal with the geopolitics but all such i mean as a major investor russia has literally 10 times more companies working in russia

than any other european has more than all the others put together. and if that relationship changes if. it's like now we're going to do it here as an e.u. entity rather than german russian and say that's amazed change and that's a major blow to russia i think they not only wheezing stories a very particular kind of story because it falls into a very special category for me that characterized by 2 features why that is extreme visibility everybody has heard about it and the 2nd one is very little no ability there are very very few established facts and the most critical data this case now all these test results i'm being held by germany the test results and the formula of the allowed to poison that being held by germany even though one would think that one of the most revealing things would be to compare the test results that not only had in russia and windows test results and when that were produced when he was just not entirely true one of them i didn't want to possibly hold germany back i

checked into this that the issue here is no it's not is actually a military it's nerve agent chemical when the responsible authority is the the international and as i said chemical weapons and that what happens is it's not it's not only becomes a by last way shoot everything has to go through the o.p.c. and that germany has submitted that information and lesser is a member of that organization and is entitle to access the data through the o.p.c. w. so as far as the protocol is consent germany and russia have nothing to do with this now but only c w a's are very controversial are going to say sure because immediately you know what getting both here is the. call squeeze anything and the old be a legend das stories of using chemical weapons in syria and you know better than i do that then number of western scientists who work mediocre c.w. and who are on record to die means on record complaining about the pressure put on

them by western security agencies to provide the result favorable to that conclusion so you don't trust the data on the overriding you don't fret trust the russian process how inclined he tries the o.p.c. w. protest and even be he's terrio that are going to say shit and then roll it has been playing these geopolitical games between russia and the west i grant you that if you see somebody is going to spot it history and has had problems in the past and that undermines it's just missin is the 3rd. nevertheless everyone signed up to this chemical weapons treaty it's the one that's in force and is the one that has to be for that and it's a good situation and then you can ask questions as to you know whether they're playing again super scoopers. i'm done and if i'm putting on its suit school that you know i'm aware of the reports that it's actually full and that in the past and that raises a question i have now which it isn't at you literalistic

a position for germany to take in duty if you are so concerned about human rights about the yeah you know you be use of chemical weapons out on the character of europe about their russia's track record of dealing with opposition figures it's ok about germany i mean germany's nothing but bureaucratic i mean they're. very elastic and they're doing this by the book which is to release it says the o.p.c. 72 and then the protocol say that it has to be checked independently by 2 other people which was france and sweden. they present know each other that's me i would agree i say why not share the dates directly with russia because it would be just a right not to say something joint investigation and then you can have russian and german investigators on both sides. yes and that would mean you must be kind of the red tape and increase the transparency of the time i see a 100 percent with you on that i think because we want to skate this like you said this i mean the consequences of this could be significant and if thanks very much

chairman russian relations so you don't want that nobody wants that and by sticking to the parts of the book you know i see increased tensions and it is to my mind i'm not really clear why they are sharing it but nevertheless the protocols are very clear in the o.p.c. germany's doing exactly what it's supposed to ok let's move to the free syria have all be of the month that i want to ask you about that if the. they renewed who are between as ever john and i mean and i am absolutely am taken aback by the coverage of what is going on because. i think this whole conflict shows the degree task nature off in 4 wars because i don't know if you've seen the other day but that at least went on television accusing. the prime minister i mean you know being a puppet the sorest question you know that he was the leave all being a dictator assy any of that matter is he in the in the case of

a territorial conflict that didn't show that. you know we're all so taken aback by this narrative of you know democracy purses that talk receive sattar at that even when they have nothing to general parties immediately employ dance here or you know get somebody on their side and name calling between as it goes on and i mean i mean it's been going on for decades the whole oh i'm not going to kind of back issue has been rankling since the fall of the soviet union and the propaganda. presidents in both countries have been using it as a political tool to rally national feelings and ensuring elections and what have you and it's been festering we i was in i suppose on so insists the russian agency and they were complaining that in be any we have the news of armenia next as about john and could we not move it to a magazine that was saints or did. this is insane but it just highlights me you

know how the embassy the scene that's so when this fighting begins it's natural that they start pulling each other name it's got very emotional very suddenly both calling each other when it means but using familiar themes to you or attract support today is sad and one of the one of the other things that struck me is how little coverage there is both in russia and europe about treaties role in all of that because undoubtedly both brussels and the girl in moscow extremely concerned about the role turkey is playing essentially adding i stand by john on that i'm not making any secret of that secretary who came up pretty quickly. and it was everybody because turkey here has the rhetoric has changed that so he's always been a supporter as a potion and. has and so he supports it in principle but now and again has come out he's basically saying they're going to put supports at mit's wrist. and then

that raises also support him so he's a member of nato of course. and i mean use member the let's get your organization with russia so there's a possible scenario with sex and the russians so just stop fighting and like 5 maids. i mean these things have been floated none of that is actually very like this will you sit it out it's not likely but the valley de armenia officially accused turkey all far shooting down its plane over its own territory now nobody took it seriously and that everybody is sort of treating it as a fake without admitting to it that none of the sides has also released and that none of the radar data that they are in possession and. i don't really sure that that something like this is like a serious peeing often a guy gassed in russia's last military alliances really all the cars because you need seems like all being all the parties and trying all the warring parties i'll try to draw as much support in as they can i mean i think the end of this is

definitely going to be to politico i mean the thing with the collective security unite so that it's again it's open sakes so if you from a tank of turkish territory not military. soldiers are killed in the only or anywhere else outside then the fight doesn't get treated so you know that's why those consensus less likely but as you say everybody is reaching for that you have political power as opposed on sticky and i mean it's a russia and i think the resolution of this is this going to be a nasty would it's going to go on for maybe months as john in an already projects it's. almost as if it's mediate because the fighting is too early on that people are now battling to see what territory they can get and i think when the fighting settles down and the lines are drawn and people realize that they're not going to move forward or backwards then they're going to send to the other players but he

has serious interests in the region so does russia is actually friends with both as a john and i mean. they want to see a resolution to this but then there's a lot of. political capital to be done in the negotiation that follows between russia and even the other while back it's been a fascinating talking to you we have running out of time to have to put an end to it now but thank you very much for sharing a part of it and if mr president you'll call what she has hope to hear again next week on a world apart. is

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